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Speaker 1: This is a podcast about failure with me. Lola Berry, author, nutritionist,

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Speaker 1: and yoga teacher join me as we get to know

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Speaker 1: these guests and learn about how their failures have ultimately

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Speaker 1: shaped their dreams. Welcome to Fearlessly Failing with Lola Berry. Hello,

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Speaker 1: it's Lols here. This next guest is a health icon.

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Speaker 1: Her name is Jess Sepple. She's awesome. I interviewed her

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Speaker 1: in her office in Sydney and she's got this team

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Speaker 1: of JS health girls.

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Speaker 2: They are also lovely.

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Speaker 1: She's got a very successful vitamin range as well. This

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Speaker 1: girl doesn't stop. She's traveling all the time. Her and

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Speaker 1: her husband Dean, Jess blew me away because we don't

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Speaker 1: really although we're in the same world, we don't ever

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Speaker 1: get much one on one time together. And when I

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Speaker 1: was sitting with it, I was like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I just want to be your mate because we see

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Speaker 1: each other at things that we never get to just

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Speaker 1: connect and so it was so beautiful to connect with her.

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Speaker 2: Trigger warning here.

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Speaker 1: She talks about anxiety, she talks about suicide, and she's.

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Speaker 2: Super open and vulnerable and I.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Jess for being so so brave on this podcast.

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Speaker 1: I hope you guys enjoy the beautiful Jeess seple. Hello, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm really pumped to have you here.

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Speaker 2: So see this is the best this morning.

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Speaker 1: So I get so excited when I have a guest.

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Speaker 1: I don't actually interview, like introduce them. I'm kind of like, no, no,

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Speaker 1: you've got to hear all these amazing things I do.

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Speaker 1: So let's see if the audience can guess who you

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Speaker 1: are first by me just saying like who you are?

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Speaker 1: So best selling health author, just book book three out,

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Speaker 1: the twelve Step Mind, body food Reset, got your own

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Speaker 1: supplement range that. I'm so pumped to taste the try

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Speaker 1: the fish oil. Pumped. You are consistently releasing simple recipes online,

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Speaker 1: i'd say daily pretty much.

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Speaker 2: I've got to help. Now you're killing it.

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Speaker 1: You've you're now you've just moved in recently enough into

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Speaker 1: your own office space.

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Speaker 2: How many staff are here? Oh my gosh, I should count.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I think ten. It feels yeah, it

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Speaker 2: feels like about eight. It feels big. I thought twelve.

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Speaker 1: It's stab but I mean, I was just overwhelmed by

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Speaker 1: all the amazing, glowing healthy people app You've got also

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Speaker 1: a successful app done a bachelor.

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Speaker 2: Of health science.

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Speaker 1: Then you've done your advanced deep in nutritional medicine.

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Speaker 2: Long time man or man, Hello, hang on you are

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Speaker 2: my biggest INSPI that hang on you Can you.

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Speaker 1: Tell us who this incredible person is? Introduced? Embarrassing?

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Speaker 2: Do it? My name is Jess Evil. I'm the founder

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Speaker 2: of JSL and I tried to work for Lola like

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Speaker 2: what like eight to ten years ago. I literally facebooked

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Speaker 2: her like ten times, trying to meet her up and

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Speaker 2: trying to be her intern. I was going to work

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Speaker 2: for her for free forever if I got you so

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Speaker 2: so well, just told me is I won?

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Speaker 1: I recognized must be rubbish at Facebook and I've never

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Speaker 1: had an intern too.

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Speaker 2: You're just too famous? No, yeah you were. I was

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Speaker 2: like it was one of those Facebook messages that you

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Speaker 2: like know you're never going to get a reply to.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, yes, no do yes, you're the real away.

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Speaker 1: I was getting nervous coming here today. Yeah, look what

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Speaker 1: you've done. I literally left my agents and I was like.

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Speaker 2: Guess what I've gone after? These who your agents?

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Speaker 1: Harry and Miller, Laura Laura Rage. So okay, I wanted

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Speaker 1: we were just chatting before, and I feel like you've

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Speaker 1: got so much a share, and this is going.

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Speaker 2: To go really really, really fast. I'll have to watch

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Speaker 1: So I've researched the Bejesus out of you. Of wat

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Speaker 1: she beautiful? Like YouTube? Is your igtv's mate?

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Speaker 2: That banana bread which one?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really recently. It was like in the

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Speaker 2: Hello you are what are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: I don't do it, though I'm not as much of

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Speaker 2: I hate cooking, yes, but no one. But I cooked

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Speaker 2: dinner last time. I took me ten minutes. I don't

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Speaker 2: what people don't understand. But I love healthy food, and

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Speaker 2: I get excited about creating healthy food. But it needs

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Speaker 1: I love when you just chuck everything in one pen,

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Speaker 2: But honestly, let's just take a moment to acknowledge how

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Speaker 2: much of an inspiration you've been to me and the

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Speaker 2: us how exciting the healthy life can be. Any when

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Speaker 2: early days. It was early days, and the healthy life

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Speaker 2: was not very trendy. It was just starting to be.

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Speaker 1: Like Sarah Wilson, Pete Evans, and then we kind of

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Speaker 2: You really were. As I said, I wanted to bloody

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Speaker 1: I've never had an intern if maketional any better because

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Speaker 2: I don't really believe in intern so much anymore either.

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Speaker 2: I think it's unfair. I think I don't anyway, that's

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Speaker 1: Well, well, this is where I do want to talk

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Speaker 1: to We mentioned earlier about like managing personalities, managing stuff.

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Speaker 1: So for me with my business, I had a smoothie bar,

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Speaker 1: and the hardest bit I found was managing personality, which

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Speaker 1: for you, like you mentioned like and I think people

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Speaker 1: this sounds really mean on my behalf, but some people

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Speaker 2: I've experienced that.

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Speaker 1: Have you had people say I want to be the

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Speaker 2: They didn't say that, but it was quite evident in

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Speaker 2: it's bloody hard working for someone else and for another brand. Listen,

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Speaker 2: now with the Jay's Hell team. In the early days,

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Speaker 2: creating their own Jay's Healthy. No one knows, and I

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Speaker 2: them one thousand percent. Then don't work here for our brand,

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Speaker 2: because it comes through in your efforts. It comes through

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Speaker 2: And again I've said to you before, I just I'm

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Speaker 2: not good at managing people. I'm not designed to be

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Speaker 2: when you're working with takers, oh yeah, man, it doesn't work.

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Speaker 2: And it was at the cost of you burning out probably, Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think I think. I just remember a couple of

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Speaker 2: a significant amount of anxiety. And that can't be healthy.

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Speaker 1: No, But I mean even to look and I feel

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Speaker 1: like I've jumped a little bit because I really wanted

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Speaker 1: to first all find out kind of like that initial

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Speaker 1: I know, because you're really the only health person that's

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Speaker 2: Really weird considered, I don't honor my training over the industry.

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Speaker 2: It does feel very saturated, does it not. I'm just like,

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Speaker 2: I think, like the cover of my new book like

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm just sitting down on the.

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Speaker 2: I had a bun. It's honestly it's a really it's

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Speaker 2: a blessing that that became the cover because I'm like,

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Speaker 2: that's honestly how I feel about everything. I'm just like

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Speaker 1: I think that that's reflected in your Instagram as well,

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Speaker 1: and I want to talk to that in a little pinch.

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Speaker 1: But first of all, just so for people that are

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Speaker 2: Was it at thirteen you started dieting. Dieting, Yeah, really hectically.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly. Was that kind of you? One hundred percent?

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Speaker 2: And I was so afraid of food And as a result,

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Speaker 2: I think you've also experienced the dieting.

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Speaker 2: God, And when you start hating when you develop that

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Speaker 2: not be losing weight? How can my waiters? He made

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Speaker 1: Though, like with our nutrition qualification and understanding that like,

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Speaker 1: or going to the gym, that muscle weighs more than

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Speaker 1: I don't weigh myself either. It's taking me years of

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Speaker 2: So seven way is a good way, not.

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Speaker 2: A She was like, she was my solcester, like she

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00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,320
Speaker 2: would come to my family. She was at my family dinner,

437
00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,600
Speaker 2: the Friday night dinner, two nights before it happened. Like

438
00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,000
Speaker 2: that's the sort of closeness we were. Can I ask

439
00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,639
Speaker 2: how you found out? So it's actually really interesting. I

440
00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:51,639
Speaker 2: was on my way to the Jay's Health Christmas party

441
00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:53,720
Speaker 2: and my dad called me and I was like, Dad,

442
00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:55,439
Speaker 2: I'm calling back, and you know what's so weird. I

443
00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,199
Speaker 2: was trying on a This is just interesting. I was

444
00:19:58,240 --> 00:19:59,960
Speaker 2: trying on a black dress and I was freaking out,

445
00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:01,600
Speaker 2: like I'd put on a bit of weight. I think

446
00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,680
Speaker 2: in America because I've been living there for a couple

447
00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,760
Speaker 2: of months. Do in America pump compiled and I was

448
00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:07,399
Speaker 2: like having it a bit of a little bit of

449
00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,480
Speaker 2: a strength, like my body image is. It's good, but

450
00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:11,920
Speaker 2: I still really have my not anymore, not the last

451
00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:13,920
Speaker 2: six months because of my mental health stuff. But I've

452
00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,800
Speaker 2: I definitely have. Even though I've healed my relationship with

453
00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,320
Speaker 2: food in a lot of ways, I still have struggle

454
00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,920
Speaker 2: with body image stuff. So do I dude? So yeah.

455
00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,080
Speaker 2: So I was actually trying on my black dress and

456
00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,520
Speaker 2: I couldn't zip it up as well as I normally can,

457
00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,359
Speaker 2: and I was like freaking out. My dad was called me.

458
00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,480
Speaker 2: I was like, Dad, I'm puling you back, and then

459
00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,520
Speaker 2: like he and then we got into the car. I

460
00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,040
Speaker 2: finally got the bloody black dress on. I was like uncomfortable.

461
00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:38,680
Speaker 2: I was like having a bit of a flustered moment

462
00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:40,719
Speaker 2: on my way. My dad called again, and my dad

463
00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,359
Speaker 2: would never call me again. Unless I was wrong, and

464
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,240
Speaker 2: I thought, I have a ninety five of your grandmother,

465
00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,360
Speaker 2: who's amazing, incredible. By the way, you need to come

466
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,080
Speaker 2: and meet her. That's the other one. So I haven't.

467
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,280
Speaker 2: So you know, my grandmother's names are Barbie and Dolly. Amazing,

468
00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,359
Speaker 2: but Dolly, isn't it. Dolly's my ninety five year old one.

469
00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,160
Speaker 2: She's like, she's hilarious. But anyway, something had happened to her.

470
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 2: And then my dad just said, Carli's gone missing, and

471
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 2: I said, and I just started screaming. I just all

472
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,879
Speaker 2: I remember for like the next and I was about

473
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:10,720
Speaker 2: to pick up one of my ja's health staff members,

474
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 2: and I just said, Dean locked the doors because she

475
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,560
Speaker 2: was about to get into the car, and I just

476
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,800
Speaker 2: I didn't want her to see me. So I was like,

477
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 2: Dean locked the lock, the lock the doors. And I

478
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 2: just started screaming, No. I didn't know anything. I didn't

479
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,479
Speaker 2: know that she had died. I didn't know how she

480
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 2: had died. And I just started screaming no, no, no,

481
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 2: for like ten minutes my mind and my body. I

482
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 2: actually wrote about this and Popshaw the other day, like

483
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 2: I actually felt my brain like explode. She was like

484
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:40,640
Speaker 2: my my actual sister, and I went to my straight

485
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,000
Speaker 2: to my parents' house. My sisters were like so worried

486
00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 2: about me. I just remember, and then I looked at

487
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 2: my dad and I said, I just said, how did

488
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,159
Speaker 2: she die? I said she because at that point I

489
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:51,679
Speaker 2: didn't even know she was dead. And I said, oh,

490
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,959
Speaker 2: my god, is she dead? How did she die? I mean,

491
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 2: like even I actually haven't actually gone through this yet

492
00:21:56,280 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 2: since this happened, and he told me how she had passed,

493
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,120
Speaker 2: and she had. I don't know if I should say it,

494
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,399
Speaker 2: if you're comfortable. She had like jumped off a cliff

495
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 2: by my house right there, like where my parents live,

496
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,639
Speaker 2: and she was, as I was saying, it's a blessing

497
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 2: also that I was living in LA for the months prior,

498
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,439
Speaker 2: because I couldn't see or spend time with her, so

499
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 2: I would have felt so much more guilt. I think

500
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 2: if I'd been here and I had seen and spoken

501
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,680
Speaker 2: to her like that weekend, we had a most beautiful,

502
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,640
Speaker 2: beautiful conversation and she had said to me the last

503
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 2: her last words to me were, I just want to

504
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 2: say thank you for being the best friend in the

505
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,440
Speaker 2: world to me. And I don't know if she's saying

506
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 2: bye me. No, of course it's not that, And I said,

507
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 2: and my response back to it was like, what literally said?

508
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,919
Speaker 2: I like, why do you been the best friend to me? Like?

509
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 2: She literally was the bestest friend to me. She was

510
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 2: my bridesmaid. She was incredible, and then my world honestly

511
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 2: fell apart. I think from that moment for until now until.

512
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,719
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing that. That's very very very brave, beauty.

513
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 1: That the interesting thing that you just said, the way

514
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: that she kind of thanked you before she took her life.

515
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 1: It's often a thing like with suicide. My auntie passed

516
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 1: away up with suicide, and they'll say goodbye and kind

517
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 1: of like wrap their life up, and for the you

518
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 1: would have just been like, oh, how Like that's so kind.

519
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 2: She often said it to me. She's like, you're just

520
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,640
Speaker 2: the most amazing friend to me. I just can't believe

521
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 2: how lucky I am to have you. And I was like,

522
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 2: but honestly, like, I'm not just saying this, like I'm

523
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 2: so lucky to have you, Like she was an amazing

524
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 2: friend to me, and even though she struggled with her

525
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 2: mental health, I never ever, never like in any way

526
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 2: that's what I want people out there who do have

527
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 2: mental health, they feel like they're a burden to their friendships,

528
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,239
Speaker 2: they feel like people like she always felt that she

529
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,400
Speaker 2: was like I never found her heavy to be around.

530
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 2: I never found her I only loved I met her

531
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 2: every single Friday morning for breakfast or coffee, like she

532
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 2: was someone that I couldn't wait to spend my day

533
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 2: off with. And she was struggling with always a anxiety

534
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 2: and depression. But I never it, never felt did my

535
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 2: experience with her as a friend, and so I just

536
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 2: I don't want I just remember, like I wish I

537
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 2: could have said that to her, and I did say

538
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 2: to her often. I was like, you don't you don't understand,

539
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 2: like I'm obsessed with you, and she'd be like, but

540
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 2: I you know she was. She was insecure about her

541
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 2: mental health struggles. So I think everyone out there who

542
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 2: is struggling in any way, you're not a burden to people,

543
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 2: and you're still lovable in so many ways.

544
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: You know, even if you can't see it or feel

545
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 1: it at the time, other people can. I think it's

546
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 1: a testament to you as well as her really amazing

547
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,719
Speaker 1: friend that when you were together on those Fridays it

548
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: was just you too, and just as to it was

549
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: probably very much interesting. Definitely, don't beat yourself up, like

550
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 1: I imagine that that's something that could happen because she

551
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 1: is the you know you were, Like, what if I

552
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 1: could have been a better If I want could have

553
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: been there, what if I could have But I think

554
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: even if you were here, you may not have seen

555
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: the signs.

556
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 2: Because I think so well the thing. If I was here, no,

557
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 2: I would have done the best I can and she

558
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 2: had a lot of support around her. But it's interesting.

559
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure I'll have to deal with some

560
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 2: guilt throughout time, but I don't. I do feel quite

561
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 2: confident that I was the best friend I could have been. Totally.

562
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 2: I like her twenty first birthday. It's actually was probably

563
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 2: one of the start the first big brunches I ever made.

564
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 2: I was so excited. I made a healthy brunch for

565
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 2: her for her twenty first birthday, and I remember she

566
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 2: was so grateful. And I was a very committed friend.

567
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 2: But because I am a committed person to my friends,

568
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 2: but I genuinely loved being committed to her in that

569
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 2: way as a friend. She was an amazing person to me,

570
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 2: and I just loved giving back to her. Just a

571
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 2: couple of weeks before she passed, she would I know.

572
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 2: It was a couple of months, probably before I went

573
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 2: to life. She rocked up in my driveway. She come

574
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 2: outside and she bought me the most expense is my

575
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 2: favorite favorite Joe Malone perfume, Murnatonka. It's black, it's like expensive.

576
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 2: She like, here we go. She like just dropped me

577
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,360
Speaker 2: the perfume. Was like, it's Wednesday afternoon or Saturday. She's

578
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 2: like come. I was like, what are you doing. She's like,

579
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: I just wanted to give you a present. You know,

580
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 2: that's the kind of per and she was yeah.

581
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 1: But also this is Yes, it is a massive loss,

582
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: but also like you're it's also a reflection of you're

583
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 1: a great human and I think I believe that you know,

584
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: you would have enriched her life, whether you realize it

585
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: or not.

586
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 2: Thank you, I hope so thank you for being courageous

587
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 2: and sharing that. I imagine that wouldn't have been very fun.

588
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 2: I'm grateful that I haven't birth into tears yet, but

589
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 2: it might be my anti anxiety medication on that note.

590
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: No, no, you're right, we're just losing WI using Jackie Jackets.

591
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 2: I've been playing with putting the sound report on.

592
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 1: That note, Like, you you do something that I'm really

593
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: passionate about, and you have help for your mental health,

594
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: so you see a therapist. I know your mum's a

595
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: therapist too, isn't she was?

596
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was a therapist. She now works with my

597
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 2: dad and home wears.

598
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 1: Oh wow, but I imagine you grew up in an

599
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 1: environment where it was very.

600
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 2: Very well therapy. Yeah, totally my own title. Like I've

601
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 2: got a lot of therapists in my family. Weird. My

602
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: mom has encouraged my sisters and I to be in

603
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 2: therapy pretty much our whole lives. I was probably I

604
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 2: saw my first therapist at the age of eight or ten.

605
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: It sounds like I'm a very complicated human being, and

606
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 2: I had like separation anxiety at school with my I

607
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 2: never wanted to leave my mom, so I went to

608
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 2: therapy for that. And then of course when I was

609
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: dieting and having that whole body image stuff, I was

610
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 2: in therapy for that too, and teenage stuff. So I've

611
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 2: been in therapy my whole life. I'm so pro and

612
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 2: I really in it.

613
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: You would know, having lived in America, as well that there.

614
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: It's so welcomed in America. It's part of the culture.

615
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: It's like, who's your therapist?

616
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 2: What are you?

617
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: It's almost considered like you go to yoga for your body,

618
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: you have a therapist for your mind.

619
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 2: Totally. I mean there's still stigma attached in Australia though,

620
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 2: but we even have that amazing mental health plan where

621
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 2: you can get a certain amount of sessions for free.

622
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 2: So I used that all up.

623
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's my boyfriends, like I've finished my free

624
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: ten sessions.

625
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: But you actually still got a big I get a lot,

626
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 2: like a rebate for a lot of my sessions. Just

627
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 2: so good.

628
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 1: I just think it's so good hearing you like a

629
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: very successful business woman, go get her to shine a

630
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: light on how important and how powerful having a therapist is,

631
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: even if it's just to unpack line totally, like you're

632
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: looking after ten souls really.

633
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 2: Important to the stuff. They actually don't even need that

634
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 2: much looking after. But it's true, like I'm very what

635
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 2: I'm responsible for in my office is to take care

636
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: of the energy and make sure that everyone feels looked

637
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 2: after and cared about, and that the energy is positive

638
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 2: and it's you know, what you wake up and go

639
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 2: to work every day, it's like eighty or ninety percent

640
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: of your life. Totally, I want them to have a

641
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 2: good experience. And I think the journey what I've realized,

642
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 2: and I might be able to just say this now

643
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: because Jay's health has had a bit of success and

644
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 2: like quite a bit of success in the last couple

645
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 2: of months, but it is not as satisfying as the

646
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 2: journey is, like totally reaching, like when you reach that

647
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 2: KPI and you reach that goal, like I promise you,

648
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 2: it's not as it's just not as gratifying as the journey.

649
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 2: Like I look back and we're in this tiny, tiny

650
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: Jay's office at the front of my house until two

651
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 2: months ago, and those were some of the best days

652
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 2: of my life, you know, building something. And it was

653
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 2: fing hard, yes, so hard. It was so hard. It

654
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 2: was a you know, no success comes without and you

655
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 2: know this a lot of hard work. Like people might

656
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,239
Speaker 2: look at me and think, oh, it's easy for her.

657
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 2: She comes from a quite a I come from a

658
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 2: really grounded and also relative what's the word? How do

659
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 2: I I come from? Like my parents have done well

660
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 2: in business. I come from a very I wouldn't even say,

661
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 2: you know my dad, my parents just to be as

662
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 2: transparent as WASNB. Yeah, my dad actually only became successful

663
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 2: in the last My first thing, my dad actually came

664
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 2: from nothing. He was in a poverty. Yeah, he was

665
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 2: brought up like they paid they couldn't pay for the

666
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 2: school fees that the government paid. And then so he

667
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 2: only he had he has had recent success in the

668
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: last I would say, ten twenty years. So did you

669
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 2: grow up totally here? No, in soth Africa, She's got

670
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 2: my dad. My dad was like working like his head

671
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 2: off for my whole upbringing. Yeah, and so their success

672
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: is quite recent. So I kind of saw how what

673
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 2: they had to do to create success and it didn't

674
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 2: just come to either of them. My mom had a

675
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 2: bit of a more like affluent upbringing. My dad had nothing.

676
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: So I've watched what my dad has had to do

677
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 2: to create success. He's like literally my biggest inslo in

678
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 2: that way, because he's had I've seen the fight, I've

679
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 2: seen what it takes, and so I know if I

680
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: want Jay's health to have any success, it's a huge

681
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 2: amount of hard work.

682
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: I think that that's also again on the research I've

683
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: done with you, Yes, like financially, your business is going scangbusters,

684
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: like we're talking from what i've heard, like a multimillion

685
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: dollar company. But you're just like that doesn't drive me,

686
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: Like that's always your your responses.

687
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: I'm not driven by this. Maybe I don't know that.

688
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 2: I'm like really really thinking about it now when you say,

689
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 2: because what I'm grateful for is that my girls can

690
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 2: be paid and have good jobs and they have families

691
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 2: to support. They have, you know, they have their lives

692
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: to support. So I'm grateful that Jay's health is having

693
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: financial success so I can support my team. I'm grateful

694
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 2: because I can, you know, paid off my mortgage and

695
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 2: I can actually have security myself. But it doesn't I

696
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know if you felt that you've

697
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: also had success. I just it's disappointed. It's like it

698
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 2: just I don't know, it's not as it's just a

699
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: bit disappointing, like the feeling that comes with it. It

700
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 2: doesn't make me feel like.

701
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: I think also, you've watched your dad like build from

702
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: the bottom up, and you yourself have built from that

703
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: foundation as we like built.

704
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 2: I'm proud of the I'm proud of the building. I

705
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 2: think that's more.

706
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: And also I think for you you're calling is build community.

707
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I'm proud of where I'm amazed honestly every day.

708
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 2: I mean, this was an accident, so I'm quite I

709
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 2: just wanted to be a nutritionist in private practice. That

710
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 2: and we had a blog. You're just sharing a little

711
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 2: bit practicing I was in I had my own practice,

712
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: and I was also working in other clinics. I was

713
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 2: working for a doctor and health space. I like, I

714
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 2: just wanted to and some parts of me still just

715
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 2: want to be a nutritionist in private practice. It's what

716
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 2: gives me a lot, would probably would give me my

717
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 2: most joy. I love having that face to face. Sometimes

718
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 2: they don't like say to people, come have a consult

719
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 2: with me, because I love just like being able to

720
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 2: do little things in someone's diet or lifestyle that can

721
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 2: genuinely help them. So, yeah, Jay's health is the success

722
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 2: for me has been the strength of the community and

723
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 2: where you can go with a little dream. Yeah, Tote.

724
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: Do you know what else about you that I think

725
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: people wouldn't know? I mean, definitely if they're tuning into

726
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: your insert stories. And I love that you are so

727
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: committed to your community. You know, you've got your JAS

728
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: health girls, and it's all I'll often do talks and

729
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: get off stage and they're like you and the JS

730
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: health gang, Like, you know, there's a lot of and

731
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: I think because you've built this sense of belonging for

732
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: your community and they really feel like they belong here

733
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: as on as a testament to trust it. But the

734
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: thing that doesn't fit with you in a good way

735
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,239
Speaker 1: for me is like, so a lot of us are

736
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: the health people. We're kind of out there and we're

737
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: a bit like like I do acting school.

738
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 2: Like you've got such a good personality. You're a personality.

739
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: Got to shut me up, you know, Like I'll be

740
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: looking at the time I was going.

741
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 2: To say, I really think like this podcast is. I'm

742
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 2: sure it has already. I say all my podcasts my

743
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 2: December holidays. I can't wait. Too so good. But I

744
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 2: feel like this is You're You're going to really kill it.

745
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 2: You're going to kill it with this. You've got this,

746
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: You've got the personality like I never want to do

747
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 2: a podcast.

748
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: So this is the thing about you, and this is

749
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: why it said. This sounds like a really within who's

750
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: the real you? And I think you're a shy human being.

751
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: I'm so shy.

752
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: I'm an introvert all heart, and you're what's your star signs?

753
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I love it? What do you? I'm a virgo.

754
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 2: I find aries complicated. Complicated is good, though you want

755
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 2: to be complicated.

756
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: But there's, ah, there's a shyness to you, and I'm

757
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: very shy. It's very endearing. It's like you work hard,

758
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: you show up, you give you all. But then like

759
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: the even just like on insto storage, like just going

760
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: for a walkd oun, sleeping and having my coffee today

761
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: or you know, and it's like it's the little mindful

762
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: moments that almost seem to kind of nourish your soul.

763
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 2: Oh totally. I'm like the I love spending time with myself.

764
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 2: I'm an introvert. I don't get my energy from spending

765
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 2: time with others. So I'm sure you can see in

766
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: our office here they've had to build me my own

767
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 2: little office. Did you say I was I'm like a

768
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 2: kid because I I don't. Yeah, I love I love

769
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: being social and I love my friends, but I'm not

770
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: I don't get my energy from others. I need to

771
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: come and spend time with myself in order to replenish

772
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 2: and take care of myself, and I love I love that.

773
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: That also shows that you don't need to be any

774
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: type to have any Yeah, to have success, you don't

775
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: need you can be a shy soul.

776
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 2: Or an introvert. And I think I'm sure you know,

777
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 2: like with the years of building something up, I didn't

778
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 2: have as much time to nur to my social life. Yeah,

779
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 2: I mean that that I don't know. You probably didn't actually,

780
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 2: because I feel like you're just a social bite de fine,

781
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 2: no matter what happens, do you reckon?

782
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: I'm not, although I'm that weird combo where I reckon.

783
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: I'm half ex like this is.

784
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 2: Great for me. I love chatty. Yeah.

785
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: But then if I have to go to an event

786
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,919
Speaker 1: and there's a few dingos there, which is my word

787
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: forty kids or fake people or shaks, I get anxious

788
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I gotta leave.

789
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 2: I got a geo.

790
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: So if I'm in an environment where I don't feel

791
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: like I'm able to be myself, I'm out.

792
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 2: Okay, so I don't go to Mini again. I'm the

793
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 2: same okay, me too, Yeah, like we see each other

794
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 2: more working, me too, I am That's so interesting that

795
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 2: you say that, I think what I think you've just

796
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: nailed on their head. I love being in an environment

797
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 2: that I feel nurtured and look like. I love being

798
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 2: in a supportive environment. But the minute I feel that

799
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 2: there's like negative energy, I'm like, goodbye. Oh you have

800
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 2: to and you're thirty right, just turn that. I'm thirty four, yeah,

801
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 2: so like you look younger really, but.

802
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: Now I'm just like I've got a march to beat

803
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 1: of my own drum. Otherwise I'm wasting time. Yeah, that's

804
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: what thirty did for me a little bit. It's like, yes,

805
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: this is it.

806
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 2: I mean, it's unfortunate that I've had like this whole

807
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 2: mental health struggle, because when you're in a mental health struggle,

808
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 2: you're like, oh my god, my life is like going

809
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 2: to is like over because you're like I'm going to

810
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 2: waste like I'm going to waste so much time, precious

811
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 2: time because I'm struggling and I can't enjoy my day.

812
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: So I thank god I'm coming out of it a

813
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: little bit, but only literally in a week or two

814
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 2: that I've been feeling more and more like myself. Yeah,

815
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: you'll be surprised how much that will help people, though,

816
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 2: and I love your vulnerability around it. I love how

817
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 2: you'll be like you know, every now and the need.

818
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: Astorian's like, not a day goes by, I don't think

819
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: about you like. I love that you're so real about

820
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: feeling shit sometime.

821
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 2: My mom has always said this, and I'm very grateful

822
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 2: to her because I think it changes. If your mom

823
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 2: is saying this, you are growing up, it really has

824
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: does can help you. She always says, not every day

825
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 2: feels good and it's not meant So she said that

826
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 2: to me my whole life. I will like me and

827
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 2: my mom, I'm struggling why am I? Like, why am

828
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: I feeling so shit or anxious or whatever? And she's like,

829
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 2: but why do you She's literally says this to me.

830
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 2: She goes, why do you expect every day to be good? Totally?

831
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 2: It's not meant to be. No, it doesn't, But she's

832
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: so wise like that.

833
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: That's where social media it can be bitter because it's

834
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: like a perfect bikini snap perfect.

835
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 2: That's why I try my best to show the realness

836
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 2: and I think you do too. But when I worry

837
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: about showing too much realness, No, I love when you

838
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 2: post when you've had a sneaking ice cream. I'm just

839
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 2: going to make it the little zoom thing and see this.

840
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 2: I should show more of that because I love like Also,

841
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 2: I love to drink wine. Yes, I know this about you.

842
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 2: I've known I should show more of it. But then

843
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 2: I listen, social media is so complicated because I'm like,

844
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: you're nailing it. Should I show more? Should I show

845
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 2: less than? I've been so honest about my struggle with

846
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 2: mental health lately, and the truth is, I don't like it.

847
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 2: I'm really saying this honestly. I don't like the attention

848
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: it brings. Like it's like everyone starts feeling sorry for you,

849
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 2: and then there's all this worry and I'm getting messages. Literally,

850
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 2: I'm literally getting messages from like my whole community and

851
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 2: my personal community. Oh my god, what's going on, is Jessica,

852
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 2: I don't want the worry. I'm saying it out of

853
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: a place for to spread mental health awareness. I'm doing

854
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 2: it in the name of Carli. I know she would

855
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 2: want me to spread mental health awareness. I miss her

856
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 2: and I can't help but talk about her sometimes because

857
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 2: I just miss her. But it's not because also that's right,

858
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 2: I want attention, like I find the attention sometimes gives

859
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 2: me more anxiety, So then I don't know. Some day

860
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 2: at the moment, I'm like, I'm not sharing anymore, but.

861
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 1: I think it's about being real and you're very I

862
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: have found watching your journey, and I think you went

863
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but I feel like when it happened,

864
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: you went super quiet. Oh so you kind of like

865
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: tapped out for a little bit, and then you were like, hey,

866
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: I've been through something really shitty. As soon as I

867
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: feel that I have some strength.

868
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna share.

869
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: And I was like, fuck, like you just fear could not.

870
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 2: Honestly, those days lulls that I was in my mum's bed.

871
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: I was literally in bed for twenty two hours a day.

872
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 2: I the thought of like logging into Instagram was just

873
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,479
Speaker 2: too hard, like even go, I say, I've said this before,

874
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 2: but like I can't going down anxiety was eating me

875
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 2: up so much, like going downstairs and like waiting for

876
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 2: the toast because all I would eat was toast and cheese.

877
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 2: Waiting for the toast and the toaster was like hell,

878
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 2: Like those four minutes or whatever it text toast bread

879
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 2: was like too hard. I had to go back upstairs.

880
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 2: Into bed because it was just like too hard to

881
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 2: wait for the toast to toast, and then I quickly

882
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: put the cheese on and go back upstairs. It was horrific,

883
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 2: But that just shows how And of course I've always

884
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 2: had anxiety and underlying anxiety and like everyone has, but

885
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 2: never to the point of dysfunction and paralyzing. And so

886
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 2: anyone else who's struggling with paralyzing anxiety or depression, I'm

887
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 2: my god, You're not alone, and I'm getting out of it.

888
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 2: And I actually noticed that a first I think to

889
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 2: last night even was one of the first nights I've

890
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 2: like done a selfie video. I haven't felt confident or

891
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: comfortable to talk to camera.

892
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: But that's I think that that's your and this is

893
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: what I love about you.

894
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: You are just marching to what's true to you. Yeah,

895
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 2: And so sometimes you don't even have a choice, Like

896
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 2: I just didn't feel. It wasn't even like should I

897
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 2: be on Instagram? Should I not be? Like it was

898
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 2: just like, I actually can't even function. I didn't come

899
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 2: to work. I was so embarrassed. It's so much shame,

900
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 2: you know, because my girls would see me. I had

901
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 2: to come up with all these excuses in the beginning,

902
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 2: before I was like, I'm actually just gonna have to

903
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 2: stop working, my doctors were like, you actually, it was

904
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 2: got so bad. At one point, my doctors actually that

905
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 2: you need to lie in bed for two weeks on

906
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 2: six doses of alium a day, like every two hours.

907
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 2: I had to take bailium because they wanted just to

908
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: suppress my nervous system because it was so bad. And

909
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 2: then it got to that point where I was like,

910
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 2: I'm not working anymore. But before that, you know, came

911
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 2: up with all these excuses with my stuff. I was like, guys,

912
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 2: I'm going now to therapy or it was exhausting coming

913
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 2: up with excuses. I'm going to leave early now because

914
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 2: my mom's coming with me to do something like. I

915
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 2: just had to come up with all these excuses because

916
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 2: I couldn't be at work, I couldn't give my best self,

917
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 2: and it was just so shameful.

918
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: And it's funny that you say, not funny, it's interesting

919
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: that you say the shame shame. I think there's I'm

920
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: sure there's a lot of studies done linking shame with

921
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: anxiety and depression as a massive trigger point and makes

922
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 1: it worse.

923
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 2: My best definitely felt shame, and I mean because when

924
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 2: your boss is like struggling to be at work, I mean,

925
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 2: it's not the best look. You know, It's like wish

926
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 2: they're showing up for me every day, They're showing up

927
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,919
Speaker 2: for my brand and I can't even be there. And

928
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 2: you know, now like coming out of it a little bit,

929
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 2: and I sometimes even get scared to say I'm coming

930
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 2: out of it because I'm so scared of that I'm

931
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 2: going to, like I even have really good days and

932
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 2: then it can be it can be hard again. But

933
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 2: you know, now coming out of it, I understand that

934
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 2: there is no need to honestly feel shame or guilt

935
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 2: or you just there's no need because every human being

936
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 2: is struggling to some extent and this is life. This

937
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 2: is your life. And I promise you I'm a nicer,

938
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 2: kind of more humble, caring individual because of my hardships

939
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 2: and everyone out there who is struggling, like something good

940
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: is going to come out of us. I can tell

941
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 2: you now, and I think this is happening because this

942
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 2: it's interesting because this happened at the height of Jay's

943
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 2: Health's probably financial success, and it's so interesting because I

944
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 2: think what it's done for me is it's literally humbled

945
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 2: me to the ground, like you could tell you could

946
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: tell me a million times what this company's worth. I

947
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 2: promise you. I don't care not to.

948
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 1: Draw parallels between you and Katy Perry. But her biggest

949
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: success when she was at height was when Russell Brand

950
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: dumped her and she had to go on stage her

951
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: husband and dumped her via text like they were married,

952
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: and she was you see her just balling in the

953
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: makeup chair.

954
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've seen that. Was that. It was like

955
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 2: a documentary. It was you remind me of people said

956
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 2: that I never Yeah, I saw her in Malibu months ago. Yeah,

957
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 2: so yeah, so he did. Did just say anymore? I

958
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 2: did not, Oh my goodness. But I used to be

959
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 2: like I was at a stage like a little friendly

960
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 2: with John Mayer. Not friendly, but like he this has

961
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 2: taking a turn and I'm loving every second. Oh I've

962
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: got a light and things. It's time to lighten up.

963
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,439
Speaker 2: Like met I was with Dean, but I was trying

964
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 2: to set my cousin up with him, Like we met

965
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: at one of my favorite staurants, and yeah, I was

966
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 2: with my cousin and I was like John may I,

967
00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 2: but like so like, sorry, I'm scared he isn't he

968
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: It wasn't for me a god, He's not my type

969
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 2: of person, and I don't think he was my cousin's

970
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 2: type of person. But we went to his pool party,

971
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 2: you know, no, no props, no props, We're gonna We're

972
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 2: gonna go to his book part.

973
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: By the way, just prepose. Like I have loved every

974
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: second of this podcast.

975
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 2: Let's keep I'm loving it. Keep keeping me from my admin.

976
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 2: I love it. Keep going.

977
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: But I mean, I mean, like I do love that

978
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: you've been courageous and I really I've always respected you,

979
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 1: but I it's very kind of.

980
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 2: You to be so brave today.

981
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: And yes, I do want the light and this as well,

982
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: like when you just spoke about John and I'm like,

983
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: oh wow, who else have you met?

984
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. But yeah, also again like who cares,

985
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: Like no, totally no, but it's so fun. That's what

986
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 2: I always say. What I love about LA It's like,

987
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 2: not about the fact that they like because I've lived there.

988
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 2: I've lived there for periods in my life. But it's

989
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 2: not so much about the celebrities. It's it's the excitement

990
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 2: and the aura that they bring. So you're sitting at

991
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 2: a restaurant's an energy. You're sitting at you know, the

992
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 2: coolest restaurant and bloody like j Lo is next to me,

993
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 2: and I'm like, it's bringing a freaking it's Jaylor like,

994
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: it's bringing an energy to this restaurant. Let's be honest.

995
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: You know you're gonna you're This is gonna sound like

996
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: a really creepy and weird thing for me to say,

997
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: I love this song by Miley Cyrus. Okay, and I

998
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: remember you, know to say I remember years ago because

999
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: you and I have always kind of like we never

1000
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:18,479
Speaker 1: matched up with our data.

1001
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 2: I know, I tried to meet I wanted to take

1002
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: you backyard bowls.

1003
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 1: We had like a weird timings and because I was

1004
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: always like pushing, are you going to.

1005
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: Say fighting in the USA? Yes?

1006
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: And I remember you one day doing it's a story going,

1007
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.

1008
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 2: This song just makes me feel like La La La

1009
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 2: is a happy place for me. It's a happy place.

1010
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 2: But I mean, I just can't live too long without

1011
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 2: my family. And as I said that, my mom's calling, amazing,

1012
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 2: I can't. I tried, And it's an unbelievable place, and

1013
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 2: I think for the health industry, it's so exciting. It's

1014
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 2: like endless opportunity. I'm going there in a couple of weeks.

1015
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 2: But I yeah, I think living, if you can live

1016
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 2: near your family, it's an absolute blessing.

1017
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: And I think as well, what you said right for

1018
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: this podcast, the grounding that family.

1019
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 2: I think Australia is I think you're right. I think

1020
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 2: you can become a floaty Yeah, totally. I felt I

1021
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 2: felt like I was floaty film. It's fun. It is fun.

1022
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 2: Dian and I very grateful that we're going. We're going

1023
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 2: for meetings to visit, like we like visiting now as

1024
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: opposed to like the hard syple thing. It's bloody hard

1025
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 2: when you're paying rent, like trying to hustle every day.

1026
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 2: You don't know anyone, you don't have a community, you

1027
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 2: don't even have contacts, like you don't even have people

1028
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 2: that you can hustle with, you know, and it's hard.

1029
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 2: It's really hard. It looks so glam it's hard f Instagram.

1030
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 2: It's like pretty on the surface. It looks like I'm

1031
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 2: living this beautiful apartment and off Melrose Avenue, which was beautiful,

1032
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 2: but it was freaking hard as well, you.

1033
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, yeah, it's not y Oh my goodness, there's

1034
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: so many Okay, okay, I know that I'm getting to

1035
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: like my pointy end of how long I've got you for,

1036
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: So I want to.

1037
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 2: Quickly talk to business stuff.

1038
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: First of all, we can't do this podcast without a

1039
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: shout out to Dean. Oh definitely, he's your incredible husband.

1040
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: And you had the most sorry to go totally off

1041
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: topic here, but the most incredible wedding, Thank you, where

1042
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: you just look like this like Marhemium Goddess Lot.

1043
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 2: It was, yeah, it was our favorite place. We go there,

1044
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 2: but yeah, and wasn't there.

1045
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: I saw an interview with you on like a morning

1046
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: show after and it.

1047
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 2: Was like a healthy wedding, but like it wasn't too.

1048
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 2: There was so much alcohol, Like everyone was like, oh,

1049
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,399
Speaker 2: healthy wedding. They deprived. They said it in a daily

1050
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 2: My article. They deprived their guests of dream of alcohols.

1051
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 2: Like there was more alcohol than you could ever wish.

1052
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 2: It looked so incredible. You missed beautiful. And a wedding

1053
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 2: is a hard thing. I sometimes look back and I

1054
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 2: have these moments of like was I present? It's overwhelming,

1055
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 2: Like it's so much and like I wish, I wish

1056
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,439
Speaker 2: I had actually could even spend more time with Dean,

1057
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: Like it's you know, it becomes about everyone else. It's

1058
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: a lot. It was the most beautiful wedding ever, but

1059
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 2: I think also there's a lot of hype about weddings,

1060
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 2: and like my time with Dean after the wedding has

1061
00:46:59,120 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 2: been the best ever.

1062
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: And that's what as soon as I walked in, I

1063
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, this is amazing.

1064
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 2: Feel like it's Deane, So yeah, I do. I do

1065
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,280
Speaker 2: feel that I a lot to everything to him, pretty

1066
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 2: much because I wouldn't have started Jay's health if he

1067
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: hadn't given me. He just ever since I met him,

1068
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 2: he's just been my biggest fan. Like he's believed in me,

1069
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 2: and he had he's had his own business until a

1070
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 2: year ago he still had he wasn't. Thank god we

1071
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 2: actually met way but because it's never like he was

1072
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 2: like pimping me. It never was like that because he

1073
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 2: actually thought, we thought if we were going to ever

1074
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 2: have success, it was definitely not going to be for me,

1075
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 2: it was going to be from his you know, he

1076
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 2: was in property and then he was in software. I

1077
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 2: was like yeay, one day I can have children and

1078
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 2: not work. I really thought Dean was going to have

1079
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 2: big success in his own field. Only a year or

1080
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 2: two ago when we realized Jay's health had potential is

1081
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 2: when he came over into Jay's house. So Dean has

1082
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 2: just always believed in me. I think having a partner

1083
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 2: who just can be there for you and I truly

1084
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 2: believe in you gives you your confidence to do to

1085
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 2: live your best life and a lot of ways. I

1086
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 2: think we compliment each other beautiful, but we also respect

1087
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 2: each other. And we also don't cross over in the

1088
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 2: business at all. Like he's across business finance, product development.

1089
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 2: I do the product development, but he's in terms of

1090
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 2: like the manufacturing I don't do. I don't. He doesn't

1091
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,280
Speaker 2: come in my courts. I don't go in his brains

1092
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 2: as well. Like that sounds more linear, yah, So we

1093
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 2: don't cross over. So I think if we, if we

1094
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 2: were in the same role, in the same space, it

1095
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 2: would be complicated. But I hardly even see him in

1096
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 2: the day kind of thing. We stole his room. Yeah,

1097
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:31,919
Speaker 2: you can see he's like doing his own thing. He's

1098
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 2: got meetings outside, he's We're in very different Roles, but

1099
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 2: he definitely is the most incredible human being I've ever met.

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00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: One last question, just because I'm so fascinated because I've

1101
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: got a product as well, and you've got these incredible sufflements.

1102
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 2: I'm really excited to try your coffee. Oh my gosh,

1103
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 2: I love sending it up. I'll be sending you some up.

1104
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 2: But we can do a recipe with them. Oh my god. Yeah,

1105
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 2: like a frothy coconut, milk cinnamon, we do like yeah, like,

1106
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 2: or do a loller coffee.

1107
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, oh man, I'll be don't you worry. I'll

1108
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: be seing up so you can just enjoy for yourself.

1109
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: But with JS Health Supplements, what I want to know is,

1110
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: and only because we've in emails, I've seen this. Initially

1111
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: it was a bit bumpy, wasn't it.

1112
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 2: With yeah, and you wrote down my failures. Well, we've

1113
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 2: covered it covered, actually we have.

1114
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: But it's the it's the the supplement.

1115
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 2: Just because I think what's going so wow, it's so

1116
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 2: funny and it's so interesting how it's going well, because

1117
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 2: we got to the point I'll never forget it. We

1118
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 2: want to din and I want to walk. One morning

1119
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 2: and I was I have this my amazing integrative doctor

1120
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 2: who was like checking my formulas and looking at the

1121
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,479
Speaker 2: vitamin industry with me, and we were like we kept

1122
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 2: like just researching and finding trying to find the right person.

1123
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 2: And he called me one day and he's like, Jess,

1124
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 2: we were on a walk dinner night, and we put

1125
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 2: it on speaker and he said, you know what, like

1126
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 2: your formulas are great, but this is going to be

1127
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 2: a really expensive process. You don't know if you're going

1128
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 2: to even sell any You're gonna have to get into retail.

1129
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 2: It's going to be like a heroing thing. And by

1130
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 2: the way, that point, we had already been gone through

1131
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 2: all of this other stuff where we had literally put

1132
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars down a drain. At that time, it

1133
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 2: was a lot of money for us, you know, because

1134
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 2: there was like this this guy who claimed to help

1135
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 2: people create products, which he might I don't even know,

1136
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 2: but he just did not ever get it done, Like

1137
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 2: he just didn't like he just it just didn't happen.

1138
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 2: And like we literally just threw ten thousand dollars down

1139
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 2: the drain. That happened. We couldn't find the right manufacturer,

1140
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 2: We didn't have money to really start, like to feed

1141
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 2: a new company. And so we're on this walk and

1142
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 2: the doctor calls. He's like, I just think it's going

1143
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 2: to be too expensive. Dean looked at me and he said, yes,

1144
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 2: I love you. We'll do something, but it's not going

1145
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 2: to be vitamins. Oh wow, just not like we had.

1146
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 2: And Dina's like, Dina's a courageous fighter, Like he's not

1147
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 2: someone to really say that to me until like the

1148
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 2: point where it's like, Jess, we tried. It's just too hard,

1149
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 2: it's too expensive, we don't have endless money. It's gonna

1150
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 2: might run us into a bit of trouble. Let's just

1151
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 2: not even go there. And I kind of was like, okay,

1152
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 2: like I kind of did I actually remember surrendering in

1153
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 2: that moment, but I was. But then what happens, and

1154
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 2: this happens. I'm sure with you when you when you're

1155
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 2: genuinely passionate about something, like I've always been passion about vitamins.

1156
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 2: My friends used to call me a vitamin wizard. My

1157
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 2: family like I had vitamins like all in my in

1158
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 2: my bathroom growing up. It's weird, but I like to

1159
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 2: I just I remember actually the street I was, I

1160
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,439
Speaker 2: was driving by Centennial Park, and I was like no,

1161
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 2: I was like, I got so. I was like, I

1162
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 2: know that this can help people. I was started. I

1163
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 2: started actually thinking about a stress formula that was gonna

1164
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 2: be one of my first formulas. I was like, oh

1165
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 2: my god, because I was so stressed at that time

1166
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 2: and I was taking all these adapted and adapted genic cubs.

1167
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 2: I was like, but imagine, I know which adaptor jenneric

1168
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 2: curbs to put in a formula. I know it's going

1169
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 2: to help people have better energy and less stress. I know.

1170
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 2: And I then at that point, someone I got in

1171
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 2: contact with and they said they'll introduce me to a manufacturer.

1172
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 2: And then because of this manufacturer that I liked and

1173
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 2: he was close by, and I was like okay, okay, yeah,

1174
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 2: and then that's and then and then we ordered two

1175
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 2: thousand bottles of our first product, and I was like,

1176
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 2: oh shit, Dean, We're not going to sell any what

1177
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 2: are we doing? Like, what are we doing? I was like,

1178
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 2: it's fine, I'm going to sell two thousand over time

1179
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 2: and then we'll give it up. Like it was just

1180
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 2: going to be like a little cute protect and then

1181
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 2: it just took off. Oh my god. But it's really fun,

1182
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,439
Speaker 2: like I create all the products. That's basically my only

1183
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 2: role now is that I just put Yeah, that was

1184
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 2: Dean's idea. Really such a good idea for traveling as well.

1185
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 2: For I need to give you something. That's the only

1186
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 2: one I really take at the moment. Oh, it's my favorite.

1187
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 2: Do you and I love most about what you just did.

1188
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 1: Then when you were telling me how you were driving

1189
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: and you're like, no, I can see, it's like just

1190
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 1: literally just like sat up.

1191
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, there I am. I had that part to me.

1192
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 2: I'm like at the moment, I'm very depleted and not myself,

1193
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 2: but I have a part to me that's strong. It's passion,

1194
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 2: my sex, my my I'm like, I'm Jewish, so my Israel.

1195
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 2: My Hebrew name is Ariela, which means lion, like I

1196
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 2: can be quite a lion ness like I can be

1197
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:04,879
Speaker 2: when I want to do something, like all the big

1198
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 2: decisions in my life, I'm an area. So I'm very indecisive.

1199
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 2: It's painful. It's so painful for they run around me,

1200
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 2: poor girls out there. I'm very indecisive. But with the

1201
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,720
Speaker 2: big decisions in my life, with things that like drive

1202
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 2: me and make my heart feel full. I can exactly

1203
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 2: what you just said. I will sit right up and

1204
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,439
Speaker 2: I'll fight for it. You know, I saw your whole

1205
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 2: body change.

1206
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: And the other thing that I love about you that

1207
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: I've learnt and really enjoyed today is you're so courageous.

1208
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 2: You're brave, and you're courageous too. You've also been so vulnerable, dude.

1209
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 2: But I think, but how can we not be? It's

1210
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 2: just I feel I was saying to someone on the

1211
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 2: phone the other day, because yesterday I was on the

1212
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 2: phone to my friend in London and she's like, you're

1213
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 2: so brave. How you share your struggles? And I said

1214
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 2: to her, not really, I said, I felt like a

1215
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 2: fake if I was putting up beautiful food photos and

1216
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 2: beautiful travel photos and me, you know, flying from here

1217
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 2: to there. I literally like I was in Europe for

1218
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 2: I was literally in Capri. I'm like in the best

1219
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,959
Speaker 2: part of the entire world, and I felt like shit.

1220
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,919
Speaker 2: I was having like Dian and I had a beautiful time,

1221
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 2: thank God, and I could see the beauty of the city,

1222
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 2: but I and myself was really struggling. And people look

1223
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 2: at me like I'm living the life in Italy, But

1224
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 2: little do they know. I was actually crumbling to the

1225
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 2: point where on that trip home I called my mom.

1226
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 2: I said, Mom, as I get home, this is when

1227
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 2: everything started breaking down. I said, whatever you do, Mom,

1228
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 2: you need to call the best doctor, the best therapist.

1229
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 2: You know, I need help, Like I actually reached out

1230
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,919
Speaker 2: for help because my friend hadn't to the like I.

1231
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 2: The problem with Kylie is that I don't think she

1232
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 2: said in enough times I need help. And that's why

1233
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 2: anyone out there who's struggling, like I actually had to

1234
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,280
Speaker 2: call my mom and say, Mom, I remember these exact words,

1235
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 2: I need your help. That's such a need help, Like

1236
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 2: I can't do this on my ow anymore. I tried,

1237
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:53,879
Speaker 2: and I'm a strong girl. But that's what I mean.

1238
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 2: This comes from being courageous. So yeah, thank you so much.

1239
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: A if I had to sum up the way that

1240
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: you are in a sentence, like, yeah, you're courageous.

1241
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 2: You've got this fire heart.

1242
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: There's this saying in I think I learned in yoga,

1243
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: but it's like sky above me, earth below me, fire

1244
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: within me, and that's very you.

1245
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 2: Like you've got this like.

1246
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: Gentle fire that when it needs to, when it needs

1247
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: to come out, all it's there and that comes out

1248
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: also when people upset.

1249
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 2: Me, which is totally which is totally understandable.

1250
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: But like we haven't seen each other in the flesh

1251
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: for a year, beautiful.

1252
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 2: I know why.

1253
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been a bit of gypsy everywhere. But from

1254
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 1: the bottom of my heart, thank you, so thank you.

1255
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 2: I'm so honest that you had me on. Thanks litl hug.

1256
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 2: That was beautiful.

1257
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 1: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,

1258
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: thank you to our guests and let's continue the conversation

1259
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 1: on Instagram. I'm at Yumo lullaberry. This potty my word

1260
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: for podcast is available on all streaming platforms. I'd love

1261
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,759
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