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Speaker 1: This is a Will and Woody podcast.

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Speaker 2: Nini, let's talk a little bit about Kyle Charmers at

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Speaker 2: the games that are going on in the UK at

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Speaker 2: the moment. Wards, we can't say what those games were

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Speaker 2: actually called for legal reasons, but they have something to

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Speaker 2: do with let's just le we all know what we're

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Speaker 2: talking about. It's quite hard to get around that.

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Speaker 3: Similar name to a bank in Australia.

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Speaker 2: Ah, very good, same name as a bank in Australia.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, the NAB Games are killing it over in the

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Speaker 2: UK at the moment, and interestingly, this cold Charmer stuff

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Speaker 2: has really started to grab a whole head of steam,

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Speaker 2: given that he has spoken really candidly about the fact

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Speaker 2: that he is beaten by the journalism that is that

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Speaker 2: he's attracting. Recently, he won they won an event, So

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Speaker 2: they won the four by one hundred meter mixed reala

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Speaker 2: the other night, and he got literally a badge of questions,

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Speaker 2: just a cavalcade of one person after the other asking

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Speaker 2: him about his relationship with Evan mccainnn. He then posts

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Speaker 2: on Instagram and basically says, I was lucky to make

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Speaker 2: the blocks today, like actually, it's the hardest twelve hours

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Speaker 2: I've ever had in my life.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he went to Instagram. I did a whole bunch

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Speaker 3: of Instagram stories, yes, saying like I'm broken.

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Speaker 2: Race raced again, broke a game's record and then got

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Speaker 2: more questions about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you haven't heard, by the way, and I

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Speaker 3: hate to be talking about the thing that he doesn't

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Speaker 3: want spoken about.

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Speaker 2: But oh we don't need to, you know what, we

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Speaker 2: actually don't need to.

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Speaker 3: Good call.

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Speaker 2: He's going through. He's going through a bunch of grief.

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Speaker 2: It involves it involves other people in the team, and

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Speaker 2: he's there to win medals and raise fast for Australia.

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Speaker 2: That's what we should focus like, And he's getting questions

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Speaker 2: about his personal life and relationships with other people on

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Speaker 2: the team. And he said and that's after he said

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Speaker 2: that he's at breaking point, which.

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Speaker 3: He made the point that in twenty sixteen, when he

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Speaker 3: was the young kids you know, on the blocks, he

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Speaker 3: was this hero and the media was just like, wow,

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Speaker 3: Kyle Chalmers, that it are and then six years later

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Speaker 3: they're making him out to be the villain. When I

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Speaker 3: say they, I mean the media. I got a question

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Speaker 3: for you, will and I think I think it's a

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Speaker 3: really interesting one given that we are in the media

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Speaker 3: as well, and that is and I think this was

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Speaker 3: asked of in Thorpe by one of the McLaughlin's on

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Speaker 3: the coverage of those games in the UK, but effectively.

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Speaker 2: I think it was Hamish.

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Speaker 1: I don't think.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Gill's ducking on.

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Speaker 3: The hammerhead himself. Anyway, the question was and I mean

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Speaker 3: because Kyle Charmer's main point is media need to stop

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Speaker 3: attacking people so aggressively with you know, inflammatory headlines, because

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Speaker 3: they are directly impacting the mental health of the people

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Speaker 3: they are attacking. But I imagine that the media's response to

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Speaker 3: that would be, well, we're the media and we can

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Speaker 3: do whatever story we want, and we're doing the stories

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Speaker 3: that are getting the most clicks. Yes, that's that would

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Speaker 3: be their job, that's and then that is their job,

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Speaker 3: that's the that's their KPI. Do you think media has

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Speaker 3: a responsibility to protect the mental health of the people

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Speaker 3: they speak about or on the on the flip side,

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Speaker 3: do you think getting attacked by the media is just

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Speaker 3: part and parcel of being in the spotlight?

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Speaker 2: Jesus A good question. I I don't I through what

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Speaker 2: lens like when you said do you think the media

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Speaker 2: are responsible? Do you think they have a duty of

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Speaker 2: care to other people? The truth is they don't, like

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Speaker 2: they actually don't.

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Speaker 3: Should they?

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Speaker 2: Well, but I think, but I almost think that question

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Speaker 2: is a silly question because you're dealing with like should

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Speaker 2: the media? Should you apply a duty of care to

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Speaker 2: the media in terms of other people's mental health? Even

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Speaker 2: if you could, good luck, Like you're dealing with you know,

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Speaker 2: like what like Rupert Murdock versus the packers here, and

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Speaker 2: they're like multi billion dollar industries. Are they going to stop?

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Speaker 2: At what point does any industry that's worth billions of

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Speaker 2: dollars stop and go, oh, let's consider the mental health

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Speaker 2: for the people? This is impact. I mean, it just

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Speaker 2: doesn't happen. So I think I think whilst that's a

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Speaker 2: nice idea, I don't, I just don't think it's going

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Speaker 2: that I've been depressed and I've come in here, I you,

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Speaker 2: you need to develop a better game plan. I don't

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Speaker 2: think I think it's good that he's crying out. Well,

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Speaker 2: he's actually putting his hand up and saying this is

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Speaker 2: impacting me. I think that's really good. Do I think

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Speaker 2: it's going to stop them?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: Do I think it?

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Speaker 1: Do?

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Speaker 2: I think that. I think that he's done Step one,

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Speaker 2: which is what I always say with mental health, is

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Speaker 2: identify you've got an issue. That's great. But he can't

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Speaker 2: expect it to be He can't expect people to navigate

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Speaker 3: Space or stop talking about him.

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Speaker 2: That's that's yeah. I think he needs to develop like

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Speaker 2: a better quiver of a quiver of arrows for one

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Speaker 2: of a better theology.

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Speaker 3: Thorpy's response and not to compare your response to Thorpe's. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but Thorpie's response was he was He said, Kyle needs

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Speaker 3: to focus on the things he can control. Yeah, so

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Speaker 3: that is swimming, Yeah, swim hard, train hard. And Thorpy

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Speaker 3: when he I mean, because Thorpie's copped all sorts of stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for so long.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And Thorpe says, I just don't read it. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: I think that's her on the option. I really do.

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Speaker 2: As I said, it's a nice idea. Can we change

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Speaker 2: the media, But no, we can't like that. They're all

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Speaker 2: going to as you said, they all want the story.

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Speaker 2: They're all going to fight for the clicks. And his

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Speaker 2: relationship Tom with a formist teammate, it's probably going to

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Speaker 2: get more clicks than how fast he swam, and that's unfortunate,

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Speaker 2: but that's that's where he is. And you know, I'm

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Speaker 2: a huge advocate for helping out people with mental health,

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Speaker 2: but I wouldn't be turning to the media and saying

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Speaker 2: they're the ones that need to fix it. And just

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Speaker 2: even if they could, they're not going to. You can't

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Speaker 2: change it. But look, we're just two idiots in a

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Speaker 3: That was pretty good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Was pretty good stuff, right O. At next Channel seven

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Speaker 2: is Georgie park is going to join us, and she's

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Speaker 2: top level for a very long time. She's got both

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Speaker 2: next to willand Wi you we're talking about Kyle Chalmers

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Speaker 2: swimming over at these games that are happening at the

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Speaker 2: moment with the NAB Games in Birmingham. He is absolutely

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Speaker 2: slaying in the pool. With the headlines that are chasing

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Speaker 2: him about his personal life, and he cracked it. He

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Speaker 2: fully cracked it, said he had the hardest twelve hours

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Speaker 2: of a full gallery of the press and they absolutely

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Speaker 2: grilled him. Again. He's over it. He said, he's at

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Speaker 2: breaking point, and he said this could end my time

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Speaker 2: in swimming swimming. I hope you are all aware. Look,

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Speaker 2: it's a really fascinating debate, particularly what's been going on

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Speaker 2: a note in the AFL and certainly in rugby as well.

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Speaker 2: There are lots of players saying that the media need

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Speaker 2: damaging that is for their mental health. So to talk

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Speaker 2: Georgie Parker, who can approach this from both sides. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: she played hockey for Australia. On the one hand, she

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Speaker 2: so she probably knows where the pressure points are. But

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Speaker 2: Georgia joins us right now. Welcome Georgie.

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Speaker 1: Hello, guys, how are you all so good?

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Speaker 2: We really really well. I'm fascinated to get your take

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Speaker 2: on this, George, because I'm sure you played with hockey

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Speaker 2: with people who were obviously impacted by what the media

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Speaker 2: you're actually working for the media. So my first question

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Speaker 2: is are the media accountable for making athletes depressed or

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Speaker 2: anxious or struggling?

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean it's a really stressful, tough job at

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Speaker 1: the best of times, where you're literally getting critique every

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Speaker 1: time you step on the field, not only by yourself

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Speaker 1: or your coaches and your teammates, but by everybody watching,

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Speaker 1: which is then amplified by gambling companies when it comes

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Speaker 1: to footy and rugby and stuff as well, where you

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Speaker 1: don't get twenty touches and suddenly you're the worst bloke

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Speaker 1: of woman in the world. There's so many things that

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Speaker 1: get completely amplified now with the use of social media.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, the media is to blame. I work

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Speaker 1: don't want to be someone that goes out and ruins

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Speaker 1: life no matter how good the story is. And nowadays

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Speaker 1: the story a clickbait. It's what's going to sell stories.

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what's a good story at swimmer

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Speaker 1: or as singer termed swimmer that's now dating a world

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Speaker 1: sell and so that's what they're writing, and unfortunately we're clicking.

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Speaker 3: So do you think then, Georgie, because obviously there was

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Speaker 3: a barrage or barage however you say that word certainly

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Speaker 3: say as a barrage.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think actually because you're not saying barage.

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Speaker 1: Didn't you?

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Speaker 3: I did anyway, a barrage or a lot of questions

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Speaker 3: were asked about this relationship, which is more of his

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Speaker 3: personal life, in that press conference after he won a

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Speaker 3: gold medal. Would there be pressure from those reporters employers

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Speaker 3: like you go in there and you ask this question

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Speaker 1: I absolutely think there is pressure on that because they

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Speaker 1: want to be the first person that gets that on

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Speaker 1: that on the website. Think about Nick Curios, the first

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Speaker 1: questions he gets, think about that, I can't remember that

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Speaker 1: Australian tennis player's name. The first question she gets asked

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Speaker 1: after just winning a Wimbledon match, is her ex relationship

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Speaker 1: from three years prior? With your curiosity is unnecessary, and

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Speaker 1: it's very much delving into personal lives of athletes, and

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Speaker 1: I completely understand that they are interesting and there's a

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Speaker 1: lot that does go on social media, so you are

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Speaker 1: opening yourself up for these things, but the first questions

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Speaker 1: need to be about the performance that they're playing on.

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Speaker 1: There they're added bonuses that you get to maybe after

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Speaker 1: the end, which the athletes should have the opportunity to decline,

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Speaker 1: but often if you do decline, that then spucks more

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Speaker 1: questions of why you're not answering it. So you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, it's you, yeah, exactly, and I don't

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Speaker 1: know what athletes are meant to do, and it does

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Speaker 1: players told about these guys who our swimmers are that

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Speaker 1: carry the nation when it comes to games events like this,

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Speaker 1: so you know, I really feel for them. A lot

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Speaker 1: a team around them, but they're essentially competing against each

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Speaker 2: You do if you if you Carle Charmers Georgia, like,

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, sorry, I don't want to know. It's

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Speaker 2: a big it's a big question, but like what's the

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Speaker 2: best approach do you think for an athlete here, because

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Speaker 2: Woods and I were just saying, well, I was saying,

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Speaker 2: I just don't think that calling out the media, it's

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Speaker 2: just I mean, yeah, it's a good conversation starter, but

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Speaker 2: you know, it's a multi billion dollar industry. They're not

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Speaker 2: going to be like, oh, Kyle Chalmers is angry with us,

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Speaker 2: let's let's pack it in. Boys.

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Speaker 3: It's just not going to happen, sort of the equivalent

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Speaker 3: of telling the swimming at a swim slower.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, yeah, exactly. Yeah, And they're still.

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Speaker 2: Going to go for the juggular.

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Speaker 1: That's their job.

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Speaker 2: So what do you would you do?

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Speaker 1: I would go and chat to Cody and say, how

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Speaker 1: can we tackle this together? I don't know how to

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Speaker 1: get around it. I mean, you're trying to find the

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Speaker 1: best pr solution for both of you. Aren't here, I

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Speaker 1: mean the media they want to have a villain. And

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Speaker 1: he says it in his own quote, you know I

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Speaker 1: to regenerate his career is swimming, So they want to

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Speaker 1: that we've made to be a villain, and then it

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Speaker 1: it becomes really really messy. I don't know the best

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Speaker 1: way to do it, because you're right, you don't want

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Speaker 1: to add fuel to the fire. But if you don't

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Speaker 1: Don't you think of Daisy Piers. I know it's a

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Speaker 1: national show in the AFL and somebody starts talking about

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Speaker 1: don't really want to address this, but you know me

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Speaker 1: on behalf of her, because who does so you want

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Speaker 1: to protect yourself, you want to protect your teammates, but

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Speaker 1: it adds fuel to this really ugly story that just

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I hate to say it, but we're

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Speaker 2: talking about it right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: Wow, we're sort of part of the vortex noway, speaking

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Speaker 3: and protecting your two inmates, though, Georgie, I'm sure you

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Speaker 3: also like to protect your current partner, who is our

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Speaker 3: executive producer captain Poopants. Georgie, you you sent to the

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Speaker 3: office some ammodium.

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Speaker 1: That would be a very funny, practical joke if I did.

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Speaker 1: You didn't order it himself?

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Speaker 2: No, I know he denies that. And if you're in

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Speaker 2: poop pant situation, then what would you do just not

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Speaker 2: talk to the media about it? Would you just shut.

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Speaker 1: The vibes you got? You gotta be careful for calls,

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Speaker 1: you know, I plead the I don't know what you're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, very good. Hey Georgie, thanks for joining his

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Speaker 2: outrageously insular joke.

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Speaker 1: But we're enjoying it.

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Speaker 2: You see Georgie on a Channel seven. You can catch

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Speaker 2: those games on Channel seven as well. We wish the

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Speaker 2: best of Cole Charmers. Yeah, yeah, I really, it's a

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Speaker 2: it's a shocking situation. I reckon the best to do

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Speaker 2: right now, just we walk away and just shut up

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Speaker 2: a shop for line.

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Speaker 3: But when the goal Final tomorrow. Coles so in the

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Speaker 3: Golden shout us all up.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Georgie, love your work mate, Speak soon.

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Speaker 1: No worried.

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Speaker 2: Now you're done with that.

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