1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Already and this this is the Daily, This is the Daily. 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: Ohs oh, now it makes sense. Good morning and welcome 3 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 2: to the Daily Os. It's Monday, the tenth of February. 4 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: I'm Emma and I'm George. 5 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 2: Matilda's captain Sam Kerr faced a London court last week 6 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 2: over allegations she racially abused a police officer by calling 7 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 2: him quote stupid and white. The verbal altercation took place 8 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 2: in January twenty twenty three, so quite some time ago, 9 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 2: after a cab driver re routed Kerr and her partner 10 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 2: Christy Mwis to a police station over a separate incident. Kerr, 11 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 2: who also plays as a forward for Chelsea in the 12 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 2: UK Women's Super League, has pleaded not guilty to a 13 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 2: charge of racially aggravated harassment. Today we are going to 14 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 2: take you through the latest developments from the courtroom on 15 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 2: this case. George, you are with us today of course, 16 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 2: our resident sport journalist tda's finest to talk us through 17 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 2: this incident that landed Sam Kerr in court. We're going 18 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 2: to go through the specifics of the trial itself, but 19 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 2: before we get to the latest, how did we get here? 20 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 2: What landed Sam Kerr? In court in the first place. 21 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: So, as you know, Emma, it's February twenty twenty five. 22 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: We're talking about a night out in January twenty twenty three. Wow, 23 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: just over two years ago now. So Kerr and her partner, 24 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: Christy Mwis got into an argument with a London taxi 25 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: driver over vomit which was in or on the car. 26 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: Kerr has said in police interviews that she vomited outside 27 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: the car outside the window, and the driver said that 28 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: the pair refused to pay for the fare and a 29 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: cleaning fee for the vomit. During the disagreement, the driver 30 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: called the police and was advised by the police operator 31 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: to drive to Twickenham Police station in London. In London, 32 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: when the taxi arrived, police saw ker exiting the car 33 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: through the back window, a broken window which had been 34 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: allegedly kicked out by a muus Kerr and Ewis told 35 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 1: police that they had feared for their safety after the 36 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: driver rerouted the trip, saying he'd been acting quote in 37 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: a crazy way. Kerr described feeling as though they were 38 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: being quote held hostage. 39 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 2: Okay, so we've got this night out. Kerr and her 40 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 2: partner get into a cab something unfolds in that taxi, 41 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 2: there is an altercation, a disagreement, and we've ended up 42 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 2: at a police station, a broken window and allegations of 43 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 2: feeling unsafe and being held hostage. What happened next. 44 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: Once they were inside the police station, body cam footage 45 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: shows Kerk calling officer effing, stupid and white. That vision 46 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 1: was released as the trial began last week. Here's a 47 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: bit of what the incident sounded like. 48 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 2: Honestly, you stupid and white. 49 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not more. 50 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 2: Close stupid, I'm sitting over this ship. 51 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: The officer then arrested Kerve for criminal damage over the 52 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: window and for racially aggravated public order over the comments 53 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 1: that she'd made to him. She wasn't immediately charged. Kerr 54 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: em Ewis then paid the driver, resolving the criminal damage allegation, 55 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: and a year later, Kerr was formally charged with the 56 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: racially aggravated harassment count, which she's dealing with now in court. 57 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 2: So that brings us to the trial. What have we learned? 58 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 2: What did we hear last week? 59 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: So the trial began last week and prosecutors are seeking 60 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: to prove that Kerr's actions were both intended to cause 61 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: distress and would reasonably be considered harassment, She's pleaded not guilty. 62 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: And what kind of punishment is cur facing? What does 63 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 2: his charge actually entail if prosecutors are successful. 64 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: Well, under UK law, racially aggravated harassment carries penalties of 65 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: up to six months in jail or a fine of 66 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: up to two five hundred pounds, which is about five 67 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: thousand Australian dollars. 68 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: Okay, so you've mentioned that Sam Kerr has pleaded not guilty. 69 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,559 Speaker 2: So how is she defending herself? What is the case 70 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 2: that we heard argued in court? 71 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: Well, Kurzlowys are saying that while the words she used 72 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: are not in contention, so she did use those words, 73 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: she did not hold hostility towards the police officer, Constable 74 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: Stephen Lovell, because he is white. The court also heard 75 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: that Kerr and her partner believed they were being kidnapped 76 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: by the cab driver, which is a pretty serious allegation, 77 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 1: and that Kerr's comments came at a time when she 78 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: felt like police were doubting her claims. The full arrest 79 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: video was released last week, with more than thirty minutes 80 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: of footage from the body cam. But we'll play you 81 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: the part where you can hear Kerr and Mewis describing 82 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: feeling afraid in the taxi couldn't get out, but we. 83 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 2: Couldn't get we could not get out of the car. 84 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 2: Listen to the recording. We want to go to court, Okay, 85 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 2: so to recap where we've gotten to at this point, 86 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 2: we've heard in court this defense that Kerr's lawyers are saying. 87 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 2: She accepts that she said those words effing, stupid and white, 88 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 2: that that's not in contention, but that the reason she 89 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 2: maybe acted out in that situation was because she felt 90 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 2: as though this officer wasn't taking her seriously. Her and 91 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 2: her partner felt that they had been kidnapped, and that 92 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 2: kind of is what motivated things to get a little 93 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 2: bit ugly. 94 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 1: I guess, correct, correct, And Furthermore, during her cross examination 95 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: last week, Kerr told the court that she felt intimidated 96 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: by the police officer, who she said was in a 97 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: position of power and privilege. When prosecutor mister Emlyn Jones 98 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: asked what PC Lovel's race had to do with anything, 99 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: Kerr replied, I felt it was him using his power 100 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 1: and privilege over me because he perceived me to be 101 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: something I'm not. She added that the officer had been 102 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: quote treating me differently and not believing me, and that 103 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: she quote believed they were treating me differently because of 104 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: the color of my skin. 105 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 2: Okay, so we've heard from Sam Kerr, but we also 106 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,799 Speaker 2: heard from her partner, Christy Lewis last week. Now, Christy 107 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 2: Lewis has not been charged with anything. She's not defending herself, 108 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 2: but she did appear as a witness I guess to 109 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 2: corroborate Sam Kerr's story. She's the only other person apart 110 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 2: from the taxi driver, who was in that cab that night. 111 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 2: So what did we learn from Christy Lewis. 112 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: Somwis was on the witness stand on Thursday. She denied 113 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: that they had refused to pay a cleaning fee, but 114 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: admitted to breaking the rear window. She said, I had 115 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: to do something dramatic to save us. That's just how 116 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: I felt in the moment. 117 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 2: You mentioned earlier, George that it was actually a year 118 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 2: between the taxi incident and Kerr being charged. This is 119 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: an interesting aspect to the case, I suppose, and something 120 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 2: we've learned a little bit more about in the last week. 121 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 2: Why did it take so long for that charge. 122 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been a long time and it's an aspect 123 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: of the case that's actually now formed a part of 124 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: Kerr's defense. So Lovell, the police officer involved in the incident, 125 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: didn't mention taking offense to Kerr's white and stupid comments 126 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: in his initial statement, but eleven months later his personal 127 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: reflections on the matter shifted. So on Tuesday we heard 128 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: Kerr's legal team press the policeman on this. They argued 129 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: that initially he'd only claimed he was upset by the altercation, 130 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: and then later that claim wasn't enough to bring charges 131 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: against Kerr. 132 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 2: Okay, so it didn't meet the threshold for enough evidence 133 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 2: to press a charge. 134 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: Correct. So Kerr's team have argued that Lovell then provided 135 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: authorities with an embellished statement where he then alleged Kerr's 136 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: comments caused him harm in order for the charge to 137 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: be brought, and in court this month all described feeling 138 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: belittled and upset. 139 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 2: Okay, So Kerr's legal team has suggested that the officer's 140 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 2: intentions might not have been focused on what actually happened, 141 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 2: but he was focused on maybe producing enough evidence to 142 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 2: lay a charge, even if that meant being dishonest. Is 143 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 2: that kind of the basis of that argument. 144 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: Basically, yes, her lawyer grilled level and said maybe he 145 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: had quote assumed that she was a troublemaker, that she 146 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: was difficult and because of what she does for a living, 147 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 1: she was an arrogant person, basically because she was a 148 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: sports star with a lot of money. Was he trying 149 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: to make a claim on her. 150 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 2: Something that stood out to me in that discussion last 151 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 2: week about whether or not this officer knew who Sam 152 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 2: Kerr was was about the twenty twenty three World Cup. 153 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 2: And I think this is interesting for Australian audiences. Of course, 154 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 2: you know, who can forget the Matilda's absolutely dominating, getting 155 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 2: further than they ever had in a World Cup, Tilly's fever. 156 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 2: And I suppose what's being tied into this argument from 157 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 2: Sam Kerr's defense is whether or not it would be 158 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 2: plausible that lovel hadn't heard more about her in between 159 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 2: that first and second statement. 160 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and the Tillies went further than they have ever before. 161 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: As you said, they went to a semi final, they 162 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: played against England and Sam Kerr was the marquee player 163 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: in that team. So her brand and her image was 164 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: significantly elevated after that tournament. 165 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 2: Sam Kerr has pleaded not guilty to this charge, though, 166 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 2: so what are the next stages? Are we likely to 167 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 2: get a verdict anytime soon? 168 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 1: Well, the trial began on Monday, so a week ago. 169 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: It was originally scheduled to last four or five days. 170 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: Hearings continued on Friday in the UK, so it's already 171 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,719 Speaker 1: extended past that fifth day. We can expect to get 172 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: a verdict in the coming days. 173 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 2: Aside from all of this, though, you know, Sam Kerr 174 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 2: does remain one of Australia's most popular sporting icons, one 175 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 2: of Australia's most recognized sporting faces. Is this going to 176 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 2: impact her position in the Matildas? Is this going to 177 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 2: impact how fans feel about her. 178 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: Well as for her position in the Matildas. Football Australia 179 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: CEO James Johnson was asked about Curse standing the team 180 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: given the current circumstances. He said, quote, what we need 181 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: to do. We need to give Sam the opportunity to 182 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: go through the trial. Once we complete the trial, then 183 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: we'll have a holistic view of what's happened. 184 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 2: Which I think speaks to you know, obviously these are 185 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 2: all allegations. At the moment ongoing legal proceedings, it can 186 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 2: be difficult to kind of draw any conclusions, and language 187 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 2: from those kinds of stakeholders is always going to be 188 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 2: quite careful when matters are before the courts. So it 189 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 2: does seem that maybe the next stages or the security 190 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 2: of her place in the Aussie team might on the 191 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 2: outcome of this trial. Has Football Australia faced any criticism 192 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 2: for how they've handled it. 193 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: Well, not necessarily, but most sporting leagues or associations in 194 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: Australia typically have what's called a no fault stand down policy, 195 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: basically meaning that players involved in court cases are stood 196 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: down from their teams and not allowed to play until 197 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: a resolution. This is basically in place to prevent reputational 198 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: damage to the league, or the brand or the team 199 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: that that player is playing for. For example, you might 200 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: remember this story Emma Olympic hockey player Tom Craig. He 201 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: was arrested in France for trya by cocaine. 202 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 2: During the Paras Olympics. 203 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: Correct, yeah, and he was released without charge. Despite the 204 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 1: fact that he was released without charge, Hockey Australia decided 205 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: to give him a twelve month ban from the sport 206 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: basically because what they thought was a bit of brand damage. 207 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 2: Got it. Is there a precedent with Football Australia though 208 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 2: specifically when it comes to no fault suspensions. 209 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, there is, so they have used no fault suspensions before. 210 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 1: Last year, three mccarthur REFC players from the A League 211 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: were stood down following charges relating to an alleged betting scandal. 212 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: Even if Kerr returns to the team, which I think 213 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: she probably will, I'm not sure she'll be put back 214 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: into a leadership role straight away. 215 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 2: Because she's the captain of the Matildas. What makes you say. 216 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: That, Well, there are some prominent examples of Australian captains 217 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: being dropped from leadership positions. You might remember Steve Smith 218 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,839 Speaker 1: and Tim Paine to Test cricket captains that we've had 219 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: in the past. Smith has actually returned to captaincy, but 220 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: both of those players lost their captaincies due to separate incidents. 221 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: Smith for his role in the infamous sandpaper gate and 222 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: Pain for his role in a sexiting scandal. Neither faced 223 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: criminal charges. I think ALTI regardless of the outcome of 224 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: this trial, Kerr will return to the team, but there's 225 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: a separate conversation to be had about the impact of 226 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: this whole saga on both her personal brand and the 227 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: image of the Matildas. 228 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 2: Okay, So, regardless of what's going on legally for sam 229 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 2: Kur right now, she wouldn't be appearing for the Matildas 230 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 2: at present anyway because she's recovering from an injury. So 231 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 2: what is next for the Matildas. 232 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: So the Matilda's are playing later this month. They're playing 233 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: in the She Believes Cut, which is an invitational tournament 234 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: in the US. They'll play against Japan, Columbia and the US. 235 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: So it's a round robin style tournament. When's that that's 236 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: later this month, starting feb twenty. 237 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 2: And what about an injury update while we've got you? 238 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: So Kerr is expected to return in March, and if 239 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: she's fit and included in the Matilda's squad, she'll be 240 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:55,479 Speaker 1: playing against South Korea. 241 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 2: George, always a pleasure having you on the podcast bringing 242 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 2: that sport fertise to the audience of the Daily Oz. 243 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming on board today and 244 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 2: talking us through it. 245 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: It's always an honor. 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