1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: Bunjelung Calcottin woman from Gadigol Country. The Daily oz acknowledges 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: Gadigol people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 1: Strait Island and nations. We pay our respects to the 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 1: first peoples of these countries, both past and present. 7 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 2: Good morning, and welcome to the Daily os. It's Thursday, 8 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 2: the twenty third of March. I'm Sam, I'm Zara. Donald 9 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 2: Trump is back in the news this week. 10 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 3: Former President Donald Trump making new headlines as he uses 11 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 3: his social media platform to claim that his arrest is imminent. 12 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 2: It called for supporters to quote protest and take our 13 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 2: nation back. 14 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 4: Your prosecutors are investigating his involvement in that hush money payment. 15 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 3: Could Trump become the first former president ever to face 16 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 3: criminal charges. 17 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: Tuesday, the day that Trump said he would be arrested, 18 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 2: has come and gone with no arrest made, but police 19 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 2: in New York are on a lush after Trump called 20 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: for his followers to take to the streets in protest. 21 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 2: We're going to look at what led to the situation. 22 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 2: In today's Deep Dive, But first, Sarah what is making 23 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 2: headlines this morning. 24 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 4: The Northern Territory government has announced an immediate review of 25 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 4: its bail laws as part of a wider announcement targeted 26 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 4: at improving community safety. Comes after a worker at a 27 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 4: Darwin bottle shop was fatally stabbed earlier this week. Person 28 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 4: charged with the murder was on bail for a previous charge. 29 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 4: Measures to increase police patrols and safety training for retail 30 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:36,919 Speaker 4: workers will also come into place. 31 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 2: Olympic bronze medalist Owen Wright has announced his retirement from 32 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 2: professional surfing after suffering multiple head injuries and concussions during 33 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 2: his career. In a statement published by the World Surf League, 34 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: Wright said it's no longer in his best interest to 35 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: continue surfing, and that next month's competition in Australia would 36 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 2: be his last. He hopes to keep surfing for the 37 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: rest of his life and said that his retirement will 38 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 2: only stop him from surfing heavy waves. 39 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 4: Google is opening up its artificial intelligence chatbot tool Barred 40 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 4: to some users this week after initially being unveiled last month. 41 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 4: Bard is an AI tool seeking to directly compete with 42 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 4: chat GPT and is one of many new generative AI 43 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 4: tools that have been recently announced by big tech. Google 44 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 4: says Bard will be able to perform complex tasks such 45 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 4: as explaining quantum physics or drafting ideas for a blog post, 46 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 4: and that the company will be seeking feedback from customers 47 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 4: to improve its systems. 48 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 2: And today's good news, a Scottish man has set the 49 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 2: record for the quickest swim between New Zealand's North and 50 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 2: South Islands. Andy Donaldson swam across the Cook Straight in 51 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 2: six hours and sixty six minutes. I'm joking in four 52 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 2: hours and thirty three minutes after starting the twenty three 53 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 2: kilummeter journey in Wellington. Donaldson had previously broken the British 54 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 2: record for swimming the English Channel and is the first 55 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 2: scottish Man to swim from Ireland to Scotland. Former US 56 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 2: President Donald Trump is back in the headlines after saying 57 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 2: he would be arrested this week. He specified Tuesday as 58 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 2: the day that he would be taken into custody. Now 59 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: Tuesday came and went and no arrest was made, but 60 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 2: police in major cities across the US were on high 61 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 2: alert after Trump called on his followers to take to 62 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:23,239 Speaker 2: the streets. 63 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 4: It does have a very twenty twenty one energy to 64 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 4: be talking about Donald Trump in a deep dive. 65 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 5: What is this news story? Take us back to the beginning. 66 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 2: He certainly doesn't shy away from a headline, and he 67 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 2: has announced he will run for president in twenty twenty four, 68 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 2: so we are likely to be hearing a lot more 69 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 2: from him. This latest story has come up because of 70 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 2: an investigation that's been underway in court now. Trump is 71 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 2: currently the subject of several investigations which could lead to 72 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 2: criminal charges. There's one related to Trump's role in the 73 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 2: January sixth riots, and another over his handling of sensitive 74 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 2: government documents. But the case we're going to talk about today, 75 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 2: the one that Trump said would lead to his arrest 76 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 2: this week, is an investigation over whether Trump indirectly paid 77 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty thousand dollars in hush money to 78 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 2: adult film star Stormy Daniels. 79 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 5: Can you just explain what hush money is? 80 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 2: So it's basically the idea that somebody's paid a sum 81 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 2: of money to sign a document saying that they're not 82 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 2: going to go public with knowledge or claims that they 83 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 2: have against the person, often paying the money hush money 84 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,559 Speaker 2: itself is not illegal in the US, but the way 85 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 2: that hush money has allegedly been paid in this case 86 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 2: could be okay. 87 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 4: So talk us through the allegations that we are hearing 88 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 4: about this story about hush money about Donald Trump. 89 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 2: So this story all started with a report in the 90 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal back in twenty eighteen that a lawyer 91 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 2: for President Trump allegedly organized one hundred and thirty thousand 92 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 2: dollars to be paid to adult film star Stormy Daniels. Now, 93 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 2: this allegedly occurred a month before the twenty sixteen presidential election, 94 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 2: and the aim of the alleged hush money was to 95 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 2: stop Daniels from speaking about an alleged sexual encounter. Now 96 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: Trump denies he had an affair with Daniels, although his 97 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 2: story about whether or not he's actually made an agreement 98 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 2: with her has shifted over time. So the important thing 99 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 2: to note about this case is that President Donald Trump 100 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 2: allegedly arranged for the payment to be made by sending 101 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty thousand dollars to his then lawyer, 102 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 2: Michael Cohen, which Cohen allegedly then sent on to Daniels. 103 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 2: This was then recorded as a legal expense So you've 104 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 2: got to remember, paying off someone with so called hush 105 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 2: money is not illegal. But the allegation that Donald Trump 106 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,119 Speaker 2: sent one hundred and thirty thousand dollars to his lawyer 107 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 2: that was recorded as illegal expense falls under the category 108 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 2: of allegedly falsifying business records, and that is illegal in 109 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 2: New York. 110 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 5: And what do we know about how the case has 111 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 5: played out in court. 112 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 2: Well, the case has come before the Manhattan District Attorney 113 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 2: in New York. It's been heard before a grand jury, 114 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 2: which is a group of ordinary people off the street 115 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 2: who've been tasked with deciding if there's enough evidence to 116 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 2: lay these charges against Trump. There's a few key milestones 117 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,679 Speaker 2: in the case, including the fact that Trump's former lawyer, 118 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 2: Michael Cohen testified himself before the jury last week. Now, 119 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 2: Cohen has already admitted in twenty eighteen to breaking campaign 120 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 2: finance laws. So that's about how you use money that's 121 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 2: been pledged towards a campaign in arranging a payment to Daniels, 122 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 2: and has served time in prison for crimes committed while 123 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 2: working for Trump. Cohen, before all of this was a 124 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 2: very loyal Trump confidant, but has become more critical of 125 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 2: Trump in light of recent events. Have a listen to 126 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 2: what Cohen had to say last week outside the courtroom 127 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 2: where he testified in front of the Grand jury. 128 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 3: This isn't a question of vindication. It's not a question, 129 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 3: as I stated before, about revenge. This is a My 130 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 3: position is that at the end of the day, Donald 131 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 3: Trump needs to be held accountable for his thirty deeds 132 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 3: if in fact that's the way that the facts play out. 133 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 2: So this case has been going on for months, but 134 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 2: there have been indications that it would come to a 135 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 2: close this week. 136 00:06:58,560 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 5: Yeah. 137 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,119 Speaker 4: I mean there's been no clearer indication than from Donald 138 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 4: Trump himself, who over the weekend said that he'd be 139 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:10,239 Speaker 4: arrested on Tuesday. Where was he basing this information from? 140 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 4: What sort of indications were there that this would in 141 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 4: fact occur. 142 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 2: I've even seen some AI created imagery of Trump getting arrested. Now, 143 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: of course that is totally false and fabricated. So let's 144 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 2: unpack what's actually happened. The decision we've been waiting for 145 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 2: from the grand jury is whether they will indict Trump, 146 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 2: and that basically means to formally accuse him of committing crime. 147 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 2: It's basically the Grand jury's way of saying, we think 148 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 2: there's enough evidence in this case that it should proceed 149 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 2: to trial. It's not their job to decide whether or 150 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 2: not Trump is guilty. When an indictment occurs in the US, 151 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 2: police don't storm in arrest the accused straight away. Rather, 152 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 2: the person being charged is notified and there's a negotiation 153 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 2: as to when they'll appear in court. Then when they 154 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 2: go to court, the accused is then fingerprinted and a 155 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: mugshot is taken. They're read their miranda rights, which is 156 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 2: the very famous reading of you have the right to 157 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 2: remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used 158 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 2: against you in a court of law. The accused is 159 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 2: then held in a holding era or a cell until 160 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 2: they're taken before a judge. At that point is when 161 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 2: a plea is entered, either guilty or not guilty, and 162 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 2: from there a court trial is scheduled to determine whether 163 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 2: or not the accused is in fact guilty. Now, what 164 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 2: also happens at this stage is bail is either granted 165 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 2: or refused if the judge believes the accused is at 166 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 2: risk of leaving the US, or intimidating a witness, or 167 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 2: harming themselves or others, they'll be refused bail. We're yet 168 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 2: to hear whether or not the grand jury will indict Trump, 169 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 2: but if they do, we can expect some version of 170 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 2: those events to play out, with a few exceptions, of course, 171 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: to allow for the fact that this is a former 172 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 2: president who comes with personal security. 173 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 4: The first thing that comes to mind when we're talking 174 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 4: about this story for me is that we are just 175 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 4: over a year away from the next US election, and 176 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 4: of course, on Trump is running for president. Can someone 177 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 4: still run for president if they are hypothetically found guilty 178 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 4: of a crime? 179 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 2: We get into some murky areas his czarin depending on 180 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 2: how things go. Maybe we should do a whole deep 181 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 2: dive on it at some point. But the short answer 182 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 2: is that an indemond or even a felony conviction doesn't 183 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 2: necessarily stop a presidential candidate from running. And that's because 184 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 2: the only three requirements in the US Constitution for running 185 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 2: as president relate to citizenship, age, and residency. There is 186 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 2: one exception, however, We're talking about Section three of the 187 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 2: fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution, which disqualifies anyone from holding 188 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 2: federal office who having previously taken oath to support the 189 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 2: Constitution engages in an insurrection or rebellion of the Constitution. 190 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 2: So what this all means is that, on the one hand, 191 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: investigations into Trump allegedly paying off Stormy Daniels might not 192 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 2: have this immediate legal effect of constraining him from running 193 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 2: as president. But you've got to remember this is against 194 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:00,599 Speaker 2: a whole backdrop of other investigations, including the important investigation 195 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 2: into January sixth, where the outcome of that investigation could 196 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 2: have more tangible consequences in terms of constitutionally disqualifying Trump 197 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 2: from running for president again. The other big element here, though, 198 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 2: is the dynamics within the Republican Party, and if Trump 199 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 2: is indeed convicted of a crime, that's going to put 200 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 2: a lot of pressure internally on the party to keep 201 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 2: backing the person they think can best represent them, who 202 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 2: would then have a criminal record. 203 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 5: Thanks for joining us on the Daily Oz. 204 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,599 Speaker 4: If you learned something from today's episode, don't forget to 205 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 4: hit subscribe so there's a TVA episode waiting for you 206 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 4: every weekday morning. We'll be back again tomorrow morning, but 207 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:47,359 Speaker 4: until then, have a brilliant day.