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Speaker 1: it was episode sixteen where I called out a car journalist.

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Speaker 1: He's sort of a car journalist, but he's a tech expert.

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Speaker 1: What's his name? The lawyer's letting me say. This guy's

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Speaker 1: name Trevor Long from the Today Show. In my view,

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Speaker 1: he stole what was supposed to be my our Australian

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Speaker 1: He's caught wind of it, and he tweeted both of us,

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Speaker 1: and I tried to mend it. I offered an olive branch.

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Speaker 1: I said, I'd had eleven pints and a massage from

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Speaker 1: a woman called Stephen, and I tried to call a truce,

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Speaker 1: and you know what he said. He said, not a chance.

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Speaker 1: Redemption is on. So I think it's time I give

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Speaker 2: And I think this needs to be a sincere apology

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Speaker 1: This will be the most sincererious thing I've ever done

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Speaker 1: in my life, and I'm going to call it.

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Speaker 2: I hope it is.

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Speaker 3: Trever is answering an endless number of emails and can't

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Speaker 3: take your call.

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Speaker 1: Do not leave a voice message, send a text instead.

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Speaker 2: Pleasely, but do you have a message.

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Speaker 4: After the time when you have finished recording, you may

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Speaker 2: We'll post one for more options.

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Speaker 1: Hey, trev It's Gordy and Paul here from the Drive

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Speaker 1: Show podcast. Hi, say Hi Paul.

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Speaker 2: Hi Trevor.

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Speaker 3: So Gordy is calling up to apologize for being a no,

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Speaker 3: no no.

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Speaker 2: This is my overweight douchebag.

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Speaker 1: This is my apology. You don't need to apologize for yourself, Okay.

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Speaker 1: I just want to say, trev I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 1: By the way, you might want to record this because

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Speaker 1: I just want to say I'm sorry about the hot

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Speaker 1: dog situation I made. I've eaten so many hot dogs.

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Speaker 1: I once saw the face of God. Just because you

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Speaker 1: look like a Tafe teacher, the teacher sheep metal doesn't

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Speaker 1: doesn't make you less of a man. You are still

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Speaker 1: a genius. In fact, not a tafe teacher, a physics teacher.

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Speaker 1: A physics teacher, but also a little bit like the

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Speaker 1: Crisco Christmas Club Lady and I don't know what a

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Speaker 2: I'm taking no farre in this.

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Speaker 1: Here we go sing it, you're you're now anyway, I'd

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Speaker 1: like to formally invite you on the show to come

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Speaker 1: I'll get some tacos, we'll get a case of beers.

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Speaker 1: Was that apology, all right, Paul?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I think so. But I would love to

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Speaker 1: Okay, you're getting faded out. Hang on, all right, sorry,

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Speaker 2: I would actually like to have Trevor on the show.

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Speaker 2: It'd be good to have someone who knows what they're

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Speaker 1: Now we've got that out of the way. I did

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Speaker 1: organize you a little bit of a present. Fred Schebesta,

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Speaker 1: this dude is is an incredible guy. He's the founder

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Speaker 1: of Finder dot com. Yeah, he's the founder of Finder

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Speaker 3: Like, have you seen the studio? It looks like a

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Speaker 1: that's pretty much us. Now, last chat we had right,

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Speaker 1: Last time we had a chat you had your grumpy

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Speaker 1: for you, right. Yes, this is a guy called Fred

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Speaker 1: Shabasta or best I should say, I've stuffed up his

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Speaker 1: Gordy co found our financial comparison SiteFinder dot com dot au,

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Speaker 1: published author go Live. This is what I love. This

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Speaker 1: title Ten Principles to Launch a Global Empire. This is

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Speaker 1: Come From? This is also a guy that last year

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Speaker 1: Royalty is King Willie Whedy and this guy is a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me tell you why I thought you'd be

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Speaker 1: Fred came into promoting his awesome book. And I'm like,

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Speaker 4: Anyway, only friends with you? Got you and Paul as

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Speaker 3: Look, I know this is a car show and we

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Speaker 3: good point there, Fred, because I have an assorted collection

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Speaker 3: We had to go to BMW to shoot some video

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, traditional car companies do it this way,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But that's that's not a bad view to have

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Speaker 2: But I know exactly what you mean.

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Speaker 1: Paul doesn't actually exist.

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Speaker 4: He's Pulls Pulls.

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Speaker 4: of these systems they just they go, oh, we built this,

437
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Speaker 4: and now like wait, we need to go back and

438
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Speaker 4: overhaul that because we didn't realize this, and you have

439
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Speaker 4: to go back and then you unwind all that stuff,

440
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Speaker 4: rebuild it. And then so if you think about what

441
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Speaker 4: they're proposing self driving cars, and it's fully like electric car,

442
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Speaker 4: it's like, you know, gonna pick you up from the

443
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Speaker 4: airport and take you home and then go out and

444
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Speaker 4: potentially make money for you. I actually don't think you know,

445
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 4: that idea is a big idea, right you know, Yeah,

446
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Speaker 4: but that kind of vision I think just takes ten

447
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Speaker 4: years to do or something like that. And you think

448
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Speaker 4: about look at you know, Apple's what started in the seventies.

449
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Speaker 4: It's like had a lot of time to like make

450
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Speaker 4: the crazy products it's made. But think of all the

451
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Speaker 4: engineering that had to go in order to go toward

452
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Speaker 4: that journey. I think Tesla's on that path and a

453
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Speaker 4: lot of the value is unrealized and not seen by

454
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Speaker 4: its end product and customers, and so I think they're

455
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Speaker 4: going to get better will and I think there is

456
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Speaker 4: a ball case there for it being the default car.

457
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right with like the whole Apple comparison.

458
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Speaker 1: Like if you look at electric cars, the way I

459
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Speaker 1: look at it at the moment is you've got a

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Speaker 1: line where you've got sort of electric cars you know

461
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Speaker 1: other car brands do and that kind of thing, and

462
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Speaker 1: then you've got Tesla, who are completely, in my view,

463
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Speaker 1: in their own legue. And it was funny where you're

464
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Speaker 1: saying with the driving experience, because at first it feels

465
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Speaker 1: so artificial compared to what we're used to, and then

466
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Speaker 1: it still sort of sits in a league of its own.

467
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Speaker 1: It's a middimalisted. Almost everyone will generally say with their

468
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Speaker 1: first drive, it feels like I'm driving a laptop, not

469
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Speaker 1: a car. But then you look at the other side,

470
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Speaker 1: with electric cars that are still sort of even designed,

471
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Speaker 1: like say the interior for instance, you know a lot

472
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Speaker 1: of time has been put into like still you know,

473
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Speaker 1: dials and buttons here and changing that up and all

474
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Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. But the the Tesla is literally

475
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Speaker 1: feels like Apple versus Android. It's really weird. But yeah, yeah,

476
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Speaker 1: and it's crazy to think what's coming out like and

477
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Speaker 1: what the next ten to twenty years holds.

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Speaker 4: I had to buy a second car, and at the

479
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Speaker 4: time we were living with an apartment with a car

480
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Speaker 4: STACKO so I had to stack two cars and so,

481
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Speaker 4: you know, how to constraint. I think I would have

482
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Speaker 4: bought a Tesla if I was on if it wasn't

483
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Speaker 4: on the stack, because but that's that's an issue. The

484
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Speaker 4: car itself is like two tons plus.

485
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Speaker 2: Or even stackers are a disaster.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So so I was like, oh, I don't want

487
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Speaker 4: to put it, you know, a Tesla on a stacker.

488
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Speaker 4: That's like I'm signing myself up for trouble. So I

489
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Speaker 4: kind of saw it as a hedge. I went to

490
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Speaker 4: the petrol car in that case, I want them car.

491
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Speaker 4: And actually the McCarn again a great car. Unbelievable drive,

492
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Speaker 4: I'd say, actually, with his visibility and everything, I think

493
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Speaker 4: got to be one of the best drives. I don't

494
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Speaker 4: know what they've done there, But just from that perspective,

495
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Speaker 4: feel safe because it's nice and high you can see things.

496
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Speaker 4: But it just feels great and it's not huge, not massive.

497
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Speaker 4: Ye fits into spots you can you can put five

498
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Speaker 4: in and it's got a little boot.

499
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Speaker 1: You can dart around. It's great.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, amazing, amazing little vehicle. Love it reliable as well,

501
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Speaker 4: But I think I would have probably gone and taken

502
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Speaker 4: a punt on a Tesla. I just yeah, because of weight.

503
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Speaker 4: That was one of the issues.

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon with cars? I feel like investing in

505
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Speaker 1: cars is very similar in some ways to investing in crypto,

506
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Speaker 1: Like there's an art. I don't know much about investing

507
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: in crypto, but there is an art versus science to it.

508
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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I think you know, you're looking at the

509
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Speaker 4: trajectory in this case of the team of Tesla, and

510
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Speaker 4: you know, what are they going to roll out, what

511
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Speaker 4: are they going to bring, what's the software? Because it

512
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 4: going to deliver? Like is it going to deliver this?

513
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Speaker 4: Yes or no? And you're just kind of taking a

514
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 4: punt with the hardware, which is kind of like owning

515
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 4: the coin in a way, and you're like, will this

516
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 4: project deliver or not is basically what you do in crypto,

517
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Speaker 4: and if it.

518
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Speaker 2: Does really good comparison that if it does.

519
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Speaker 4: Deliver on you know, you're going to get massive upside.

520
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Speaker 4: And I think that would, yeah, definitely happen with the Tesla.

521
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Speaker 4: And again I I think I would have gone there.

522
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Speaker 4: I just yeah, it wasn't wasn't the right time.

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Speaker 3: Now's your time to jump in because Model Why has

524
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 3: just gone on sale in Australia fits it's literally nineteen

525
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty kilograms, so if your stacker is still

526
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 3: a condition, it'll probably sort that out. But I love

527
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 3: that comparison to it being a crypto project, and there

528
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 3: has been so much upside for early investors. When we

529
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Speaker 3: bought our first Model three, I bought Tesla shares at

530
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 3: like two hundred dollars. This is before the four way

531
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Speaker 3: stock split, and it basically started going backwards and I

532
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 3: chickened out at like one seventy five and sold. Had

533
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Speaker 3: I have held them, they'd be worth the equivalent pre

534
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 3: split of like four thousand dollars now. And I think

535
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Speaker 3: that you have to go with your gut. And if

536
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Speaker 3: I had have listened to my gut back then, it

537
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Speaker 3: would have said exactly what you said that this is

538
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Speaker 3: a company that has this long roadmap, they have this

539
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 3: really innovative plan, and I think when you look at

540
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Speaker 3: who's leading it, Elon Musk, like the guy is in

541
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 3: some cases an absolute nut job, but he is. He's

542
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 3: one of the smartest guys out there, and he really

543
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 3: just knows his shit and really knows how to hire

544
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Speaker 3: the right people to get the outcome that he wants

545
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Speaker 3: from these companies that he's involved in.

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Speaker 4: One of the things that is undervalued when someone looks

547
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Speaker 4: at a big promise and they look at a software company,

548
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 4: is the actual delivery of what is promised is assumed?

549
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 4: But I actually don't think it is. And let's say

550
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Speaker 4: I want to get a car to self drive around

551
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 4: that the number of variables involved in that, let alone

552
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 4: getting the code to execute and an update and you know,

553
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 4: and actually deliver a version one and not you know,

554
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 4: and not get shut down to some extent. Like I

555
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 4: think there's I guess what I what I think about

556
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 4: when I think of Elin is he's a good investment

557
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 4: in terms of giving him money to go and deliver

558
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,479
Speaker 4: a software project and actually it potentially delivering with a

559
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 4: very low percentage outcome of it actually happening. In other words,

560
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 4: here's a super high risky thing to do, and let's

561
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Speaker 4: give it to this guy because he tends to deliver.

562
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Speaker 1: Oh man, he's building a did you is he still

563
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,479
Speaker 1: doing that? Building a tunnel under Ala? Have you heard that?

564
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: The hyphens?

565
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's got the boring company as well. That

566
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 3: kind of makes a little less sense to me because

567
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 3: the whole concept is you drive your autonomous tesla in there,

568
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Speaker 3: and it takes you from one end to the other.

569
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Speaker 3: But if it's like any tunnel I've been in during

570
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Speaker 3: peak hour, there the shitts places to be because you

571
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Speaker 3: basically sit there with all this other traffic and it

572
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 3: has to exit at another end. So unless it exits

573
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Speaker 3: into an empty area, you just end up in the

574
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Speaker 3: same It is just a tunnel. So I think his

575
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Speaker 3: innovation is the cost reduction and the engineering behind being

576
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Speaker 3: able to produce these tunnels, and the fact that you

577
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Speaker 3: don't need the same level of fire suppression that you

578
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 3: would in a tunnel with internal combustion cars because it

579
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Speaker 3: would just be fre evs totally.

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Speaker 1: This is probably where I should jump in and say

581
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Speaker 1: something intelligent.

582
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to hold my breath.

583
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Speaker 1: Freend's like, I don't know how to trying to belied,

584
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: but Jesus, he's right.

585
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, what is what is next for you?

586
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Speaker 3: I mean I was having a look and you're in

587
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Speaker 3: the top one hundred innovators. What is next for Finder?

588
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 3: On the innovation side? I know you guys have sort

589
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 3: of now launched into that crypto space. Are you finding

590
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 3: that Finder is evolving all the time in terms of

591
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Speaker 3: what you want from it and what people come to

592
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Speaker 3: expect from it as well.

593
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Speaker 4: I don't think people yet expect us to deliver on

594
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Speaker 4: this crypture stuff. I think people in crypto do. They're like, oh,

595
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 4: you know, that's fine. Yeah, they're in crypto. That's cool.

596
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 4: But I don't think that there's like a broader audience

597
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 4: yet that sort of cuss that. But that's good. I

598
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 4: prefer that because it just allows us more time to

599
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Speaker 4: make our product insanely even better. I think that's what

600
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Speaker 4: we've evolved from is I think if you go back

601
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Speaker 4: in time, Find it was really maybe even say three

602
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Speaker 4: or four years, it was really just a i'd a

603
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Speaker 4: largely a media and publishing company that's a being straight.

604
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Speaker 4: I don't think you would see it as a technology company. Now,

605
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 4: I would say you would definitely rethink that with the

606
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 4: things we've built and the things we are working on

607
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 4: and building at this point in time. You know, we've

608
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Speaker 4: got you know, many many millions of dollars under management

609
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 4: in Finder. Now people give you know, they have a wallet,

610
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 4: and people deposit money. You know, we have security around that.

611
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 4: We you know, all these kinds of things that we

612
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 4: never did before, and now we've learned to really smooth

613
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 4: and make much much, much, much much easier. So I

614
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 4: think the way I kind of zoom out and I

615
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,719
Speaker 4: and I think of where things are going and I

616
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 4: try I try to sort of predict what's going to

617
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 4: be next, and that's not the easiest thing to do, right,

618
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Speaker 4: But you know, I think that people have now gone

619
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Speaker 4: from wanting yield to they're pretty scared about inflation, and

620
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 4: so I think this idea of owning assets is in

621
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Speaker 4: some way shape or form, you know, if it's companies.

622
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 4: I think Crypto has survived another you know hit and

623
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 4: then sort of fill, but it's now still above the

624
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 4: all time high that it was before, and no matter

625
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 4: how much of because they are, it's dead. Well, I

626
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 4: think everyone who's sold or when it had that huge

627
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 4: job and it went so super crazy, I think everyone

628
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 4: who had to sell sold.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and exactly, I.

630
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Speaker 4: Think, well, there's no more sellers left, and so there's

631
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 4: a really interesting, you know, point in time where I

632
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 4: think you can look at that now and you go, well, factually,

633
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 4: regardless of wherever you think it's going, all over it's doing.

634
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 4: It's above the all time high the last time. Like

635
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 4: that's means that if you've bought the old time high

636
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 4: last time, you're still up. That's a good thing, right,

637
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 4: that's a that's a that's a big deal.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, keep going, No.

639
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 4: I think I think, you know, this rising interest rates

640
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,719
Speaker 4: I think is a very interesting dynamic and where I

641
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 4: think it's kind of turning to and what I'm thinking about,

642
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 4: you know, now that there's sort of this investment boom

643
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 4: has sort of calmed down, I think saving money, you know,

644
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 4: that was really where Finder came from. I think it's

645
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 4: becoming cooler again, Like people want to save money on energy,

646
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 4: on their loans, on their health insurance. I think that's

647
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 4: been our core business and that's that's definitely seen a

648
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 4: lot more interest of recent But I think there's another

649
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 4: part that I think a lot of people are looking

650
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 4: at right now is because you've got this change now

651
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 4: of people, you know, being at home and working digitally

652
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Speaker 4: and being perfectly kind fine with that. But they've suddenly

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Speaker 4: now got I don't know, two to three more hours,

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Speaker 4: and I feel like everyone's confused. Everyone's like, oh, I've

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Speaker 4: just got this extra time and I've done my thing,

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Speaker 4: and now what do I do now? And so I

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Speaker 4: think there's this time now where everyone's okay, everyone's sort

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Speaker 4: of binged out now, and all their streaming channels they're

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Speaker 4: kind of bared now with that they've they've they've they're

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Speaker 4: beinging up podcast but like great ones like this.

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Speaker 1: And where you see that for the promo they are

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Speaker 1: And I.

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Speaker 4: Think podcasts in a massive way that and it is

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Speaker 4: on a massive inflection curve up and I think it's

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Speaker 4: great in an emerging space. But I also think what

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Speaker 4: they're doing is they're a beaches done on social media.

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Speaker 4: They're a bit done. They're like, oh jeez, I've scrawled enough,

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Speaker 4: you know, I understand this stuff hooks me in, and

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Speaker 4: then they're kind of going, okay, now I still have

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Speaker 4: done all that. Now, still got another hour. And I

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Speaker 4: think in that hour, you know, where people are kind

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Speaker 4: of eventually getting to. And I could be wrong on this,

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Speaker 4: but this is my future prediction is they're going to

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Speaker 4: work on themselves and because that's the best investment you

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Speaker 4: can make, right, So that's going to stay with you

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Speaker 4: for significant periods of time, learning something, working out in

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Speaker 4: some way shape orfore, working out something which you've always

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Speaker 4: wanted to know that will help you fundamentally with the

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Speaker 4: next thing you're doing, or earning a little bit of

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Speaker 4: extra money to repay something, or whatever it may be.

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Speaker 4: So I've got this theory of this this this this hour,

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Speaker 4: this spare hour everyone's got, and I don't know what

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Speaker 4: I'm going to make, but I've come up with some ideas.

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Speaker 4: But it's going to be something either where people can

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Speaker 4: earn a bit of extra money by doing some relatively

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Speaker 4: simple things or improve that learn something and get paid

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Speaker 4: for it, or something along those lines, because I think

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Speaker 4: that's the new space. It's the extra hour everyone's got

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Speaker 4: after they've been shot on everything else. I've taken up

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Speaker 4: playing chess, which I love that, which is you know,

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Speaker 4: probably completely orthogonal to you know, building companies.

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Speaker 1: But but yeah, yeah, was that something that you picked

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Speaker 1: back up or was it like I'm just going to

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Speaker 1: learn a new skill.

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Speaker 4: I used to played chess. Actually this is a damaging confession,

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Speaker 4: but I was the captain of my chest, of the

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Speaker 4: of the chess team I played. I literally played board one.

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Speaker 1: What does that mean? Is that good?

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Speaker 4: The first board? So there's like, you know, you know,

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Speaker 4: four people on the team and I played the first board.

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Speaker 4: So you play the hardest player.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I saw the movie Finding Bobby Fisher once.

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Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's chess. I think I

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Speaker 1: get what you're saying.

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Speaker 4: So there's recently there's been the World Championship with the Olympiads,

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Speaker 4: so that so all the company countries play against each

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Speaker 4: other the top four boards of every country. Actually Australia

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Speaker 4: had a team of the best performance. But and it's

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Speaker 4: you need to obviously, when you play four boards, you

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Speaker 4: need to. Like any game, you know, you need to

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Speaker 4: get one point for winning half a board for drawing,

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Speaker 4: and you know you lose your zero, and you need

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Speaker 4: to beat everyone. And it was something which I you know,

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Speaker 4: I was in a you know, people who was academically

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Speaker 4: smart than me, I could beat them in chess. For

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Speaker 4: some reason, like they had different smarts, whereas I could

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Speaker 4: like see into the future on the board and go look,

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Speaker 4: and I'd look and I see that move and I go, man,

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Speaker 4: you're so smart and you did that, Like like why

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Speaker 4: am I not able to do what you do? You know,

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Speaker 4: like he's probably looking at me, going, man, I did

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Speaker 4: my tests or whatever. He's like, you did that.

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Speaker 1: You know, Hey, one last thing because we've got to

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Speaker 1: wrap up in a sec. We're getting kicked out. With

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Speaker 1: what you do and what you've created, it's got serious longevity.

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Speaker 1: Is that your Is that your legacy or like what

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Speaker 1: would you like to your legacy to be.

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Speaker 4: That's a great question. It's something which is actually very Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'm very passionate about his legacy and leaving leaving something

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Speaker 4: and creating something that will help people for a long

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Speaker 4: period of time. And when I think about that, you know,

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Speaker 4: what I'm trying to do is my ultimate goal is

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Speaker 4: to plant trees that I will never experience or see

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Speaker 4: the shade of for other people to benefit from and

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Speaker 4: in some small way, maybe you know, if that's helping

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Speaker 4: people save a bit of money, make a bit of money.

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Speaker 4: And I don't know all the things that are kind

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Speaker 4: to come from that. But I'm just hoping that those

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Speaker 4: things that I've created and helped people do, they create

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Speaker 4: not only what's happening now, but into the future a

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Speaker 4: significant lift in their life and their families, lives and

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Speaker 4: things like that.

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Speaker 1: That's what I love about Freddie champions people.

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Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, well that's what you got to do.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the best companies are there to exist to

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Speaker 3: help people, and that's how you end up being successful.

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Speaker 3: It's got to be about everyone else and then the

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Speaker 3: money comes.

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Speaker 1: Man, Thank you for coming in. By the way, man,

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for the opportunity and appreciate you guys are putting

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Speaker 4: on this podcast because I think it's awesome and everyone

753
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Speaker 4: who's listening, these guys are cool.

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Speaker 1: So that was fred What a legend.

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Speaker 2: He's awesome.

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Speaker 3: So I love the fact that he's into crypto and NFTs.

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Speaker 2: I love that he's in tech and all that sort

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Speaker 2: of stuff.

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Speaker 3: And if you haven't seen what he looks like, please

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Speaker 3: go to our Instagram page and just have a look

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Speaker 3: at the picture.

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't say this, but Paul has a.

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Speaker 3: Stiffy I'm just jealous of his hair and just the

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Speaker 3: style that's going on there, although my style.

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Speaker 2: Is is.

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Speaker 1: It's forty eight year old father of four Paul actually,

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Speaker 1: since that chat has a photo of Fred next to

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Speaker 1: his bed. When his wife says, do you think we

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Speaker 1: should have another child? Paul just pushes her away and

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Speaker 1: kisses the photo of Fred and then proceeds to sing

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Speaker 1: Whitney Houston's I Will Always Love You? Which can you?

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Speaker 3: If you're listening to this, make sure you leave us

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Speaker 3: a rating on whichever platform you're listening to this, and

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Speaker 3: just so what you think of the show.

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Speaker 2: Contacted the driveshow dot com today.

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Speaker 3: You let us know if there's anything else you want

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Speaker 3: us to be covering that we're not covering. Who you'd

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Speaker 3: like to have host the show instead of Gordy send.

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Speaker 1: Us an email. Contacted the drive Show dot com dot

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Speaker 1: au like rate, subscribe, share, tell your mom I'm available

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Speaker 1: and do all that sort of stuff that would be

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Speaker 1: really nice and any suggestions we love. Please get rid

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Speaker 1: of Paul