1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Already, and this is the Daily This is the Daily OS. Oh, 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: now it makes sense. 3 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,479 Speaker 2: Good morning, and welcome to the Daily ODS. It's Thursday, 4 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 2: the tenth of April. I'm Zara Seidler. 5 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: I'm Billy fitz Simon's. 6 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 2: Election ads are absolutely everywhere on TV, social media, newspapers, 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: and in your letterboxes at home. So does that mean 8 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 2: that all the ads that you're seeing are true? Are 9 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 2: they legally required. 10 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 3: To be true? 11 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 2: Well that's what we're going to answer in today's podcast, 12 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 2: unpacking how political communication occurs during an election, what politicians 13 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 2: can say during this time, and whether or not they're 14 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 2: allowed to lie. 15 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: Zara, I'm so excited for this podcast because political advertising 16 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: is obviously something that affects all of us or we 17 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: all see, and I have known for a long time 18 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 1: that you don't necessarily need to be truthful in those ads. 19 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 3: Well that's the whole podcast. 20 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: I just ruined the podcast. 21 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 4: I have never really looked into it, and so I 22 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 4: am excited, even though I did just spoil it for 23 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 4: you to explain it to us in more detail, because 24 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 4: it's so interesting what the rules are. I won't do 25 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 4: a double spoiler, so let's just pretend I didn't say that, 26 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 4: But do you want to start with what rules there 27 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 4: are currently in place for political advertising? 28 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: If I didn't just ruin. 29 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 3: It, I would like to talk about that. 30 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 2: So the first rule I'm basically the only rule the 31 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 2: govern's political advertising is something called authorization. 32 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 3: Now you will have heard this message before, authorized by 33 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 3: the Australian government. Camera. 34 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: I think I hear that in my dreams. 35 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 2: I hear it so much, it's just penetrated, truly every 36 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: part of my psyche. And you know, as long as 37 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: you've watched TV and seen ads, you've absolutely heard that 38 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 2: message before. Now that disclaimed is called an authorization and 39 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 2: it's basically a legal requirement for electoral materials. So it's 40 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 2: clarifying who created the content and it's also informing voters 41 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 2: that it may influence their vote. 42 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: Quick question. I also have heard that though when we're 43 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: not in an election campaign. So is it also required 44 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 1: just on any government material? 45 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 2: Yes, it is, but specifically right now we're talking about 46 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 2: any political content that is authorized by a political party 47 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 2: or a politician. That's when you're hearing those sorts of authorizations. 48 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,839 Speaker 2: So the AEC, the Electoral Commission, says that the authorization 49 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 2: process exists so that political ads are transparent, accountable, and traceable. 50 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 2: In other words, ads are authorized so that we know 51 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 2: who made them. Now, just before we go on here, 52 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: there has been quite a lot of chatter about authorization 53 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: when it comes to influencer content, and I just wanted 54 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: to touch on that really quickly. So the TLDR is that 55 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 2: authorization is needed for any content when payment is made 56 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 2: by a political party to. 57 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 3: An influencer for that content. 58 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 2: So hypothetically, if you have an influencer and the coalition 59 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 2: pays that influencer for them to make a piece of 60 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 2: political content, that needs to be authorized. 61 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: Have we seen any examples of that happening? 62 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 2: A few here and there, but it's not widespread at all. 63 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 2: And the reason that the AAC came out with updated 64 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 2: information about who needs to authorize content where is because 65 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: Abby Chatfield, who is a well known podcaster, she sat 66 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 2: down with both Adam Bandt and Anthony Albinizi and there 67 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 2: was an investigation into whether that content needed to have 68 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 2: an authorization message at the end. Ultimately, the AAEC found 69 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 2: that no, that didn't have to happen because she wasn't 70 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: paid and she wasn't doing that content on behalf of 71 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 2: a party. 72 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: Okay, so we know that all political ads need to 73 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: have that authorization, but then what are the rules about 74 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: the content of the material? 75 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 2: I mean, very little is the short answer to that. 76 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: There are some very basic rules. Basically, you just can't 77 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 2: lie about the voting process itself, so how you go 78 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 2: to actually vote. You can't have misinformation when it comes 79 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 2: to that process. Aside from that, though, there are no 80 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 2: rules about fact checking and about misinformation and disinformation when 81 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 2: it comes to political advertising. And according to the AEC, 82 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 2: elections are a contest of ideas and it's the role 83 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 2: of each voter to take the time to consider if 84 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 2: the information is reliable. 85 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: So any party could say the sky is orange and 86 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: that's obviously a lie, but that is still within the 87 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: rules of political advertising in Australia. 88 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 2: Correct as long as it's authorized at the end, as 89 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 2: long as there's not authorization message. 90 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 3: Basically, in Australia, election laws don't regulate truth. 91 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 2: They, as we said, regulate that authorization message, but nothing 92 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 2: actually about the content itself. So political advertising is not 93 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 2: actually covered by the same false advertising rules that apply 94 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 2: to commercial ads. For example, so companies can be penalized 95 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 2: for misleading customers, whether that's a telco or a health company, 96 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 2: whatever it is. They can't lie in commercial ads that 97 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 2: we see on TV. They would be slapped with a 98 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 2: fine if they did that. The same is not true 99 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 2: for political parties and their content. And a specific example 100 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 2: that we saw blow up on TikTok this week was 101 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 2: a creator whose name is wholly unmuted. She said that 102 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 2: the Liberal Party had manipulated one of her posts, taking 103 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 2: her original message out of context. Basically, she claimed spreading 104 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 2: misinformation without her permission. 105 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 3: This is a complete misrepresentation of myself. I don't even 106 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 3: know if it's legal. I truly don't even understand how 107 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 3: this could postly be legal. 108 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 2: So then Holly and everyone who I was reading in 109 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 2: her comment section learned over the weekend that the Liberal 110 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 2: Party didn't in fact break any electoral rules in doing that, 111 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 2: because there is no requirement for the truth to be 112 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 2: in these political ads. 113 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: That's so interesting. Have there been any efforts to change it? 114 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 2: Well, I'll just quickly add that we're talking at a 115 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 2: federal level here. There are some state by state rules 116 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 2: when it comes to truth in political advertising. So in 117 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 2: South Australia and the Act, there are rules, but we're 118 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 2: talking about the federal election and there are no rules there. 119 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 2: But yes, to answer your question, there have been a 120 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 2: couple of efforts to change this in Australia. So we 121 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: had a parliamentary committee back in twenty twenty three recommend 122 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 2: giving power to the AEC to enforce truth standards in 123 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 2: political ads, and then towards the end of last year, 124 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 2: the Albaneze government actually introduced truth in advertising laws into parliament, 125 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: but those laws were actually pulled due to a lack 126 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 2: of support. But I'll just quickly run through what would 127 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 2: have happened if those laws would have been passed. So 128 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 2: under that proposal, Labor would have introduced civil penalties for 129 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 2: electoral matters that were quote inaccurate and misleading to a 130 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: material extent. And that bill also would have introduced penalties 131 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 2: for the use of deep fakes. Now you and I 132 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 2: have spoken before on this podcast about deep fakes. That's 133 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: you know, when realistic content is created by AI and 134 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 2: it's showing someone doing or saying something that they never 135 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 2: actually said or did. And so this law would have 136 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 2: really gone after videos that we're using deep fakes, and 137 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 2: also we're using inaccurate or misleading language. But as I said, 138 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 2: that legislation was dropped and so for this election, there 139 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 2: is nothing that has changed between this and previous elections. 140 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 2: I will say though, that independents on the cross bench 141 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 2: have been particularly vocal on this issue and have said 142 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 2: that it will be one of the big ticket items 143 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 2: for them if there's a hung parliament, so if they 144 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 2: have to negotiate with whoever wins government, they are saying 145 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 2: this will be one of the things they say has 146 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 2: to happen in order for them to give support to 147 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 2: whoever wins. 148 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: One thing that I think is interesting to talk about 149 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: here is we often talk about this decline in trust 150 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: of politicians. And when you have laws like this, when 151 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: there is literally no requirement for politicians to tell the 152 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: truth in their political ads, which are a big thing 153 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: that voters base their decisions on, then it's kind of 154 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: no surprise that there is this decline in trust for politicians. 155 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 3: I saw it put really well by the Australia Institute. 156 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 3: They're a think tank. 157 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 2: You speak often to one of their economists, and I 158 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 2: was reading a piece that they had on this topic 159 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 2: and I thought i'd share a bit of it. They said, 160 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 2: pharmaceutical companies cannot claim to have the cure for cancer. 161 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 2: Food companies cannot claim that sugary foods are good for kids. 162 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 2: Lawyers cannot claim that they will win every case. But 163 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 2: under the Electoral Act, politicians can lie about their opponent's 164 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 2: policies or about their own. 165 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 3: So interesting, think that just summarized. 166 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: You know, I was looking at a piece of political 167 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 2: advertising that I received in my letterbox, and obviously I 168 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,599 Speaker 2: am paying close attention to the political process, and I 169 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 2: looked at it and I was like, my god, this 170 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 2: is all fake. Every single claim here is wrong, but 171 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 2: there's nothing it can be done about it. And unless 172 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 2: you have the understanding and you're paying close attention, it's 173 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 2: very difficult to be able to discern fact from fiction. 174 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: I want to end by asking about who's paying for 175 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: these ads, because they are obviously everywhere. How are political 176 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: ads financed? 177 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 3: I'll throw it back to you, really, what do you think? 178 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: Well, I know that political parties get a lot of 179 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 1: their donations, whether it be from individuals or it can 180 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: be from companies. So I'm going to say individuals or 181 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: companies a very broad answer. 182 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 2: Okay, so political parties are the ones that are funding 183 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 2: these ads. That's correct, and I think that's the part 184 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 2: that most people would think is the case. 185 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 3: But what I know, I'm changing my answer. Go ahead. 186 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: They get money from taxpayers from the AEC. 187 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 3: Correct, And it's. 188 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,719 Speaker 1: Dependent on how big the party is. 189 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 2: Only the second time you've runed this, but yeah, it's 190 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 2: smart on so what people might not know about and 191 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 2: what you just said, Billy is exactly right. So after 192 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 2: the election, the AEC reimburses a candidate or party for 193 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 2: some of the money that they spent on the campaign 194 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 2: if they get at least four percent of votes, And 195 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 2: the more votes you get, the more tax payer money 196 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 2: you get paid back. Which is fascinating because you know, 197 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 2: when we talked at the top about the fact that 198 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 2: we're all seeing all of this political advertising everywhere, we 199 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: are also if you actually think about it paying for 200 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 2: a lot of this political advertising that we're seeing everywhere, 201 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 2: and so when you think about the fact that some 202 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 2: of it is being reimbursed back to political parties and 203 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 2: that we are seeing misinformation being spread, it does make 204 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 2: you wonder. 205 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot to think about. 206 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 3: It, certainly is to keep an eye yes. 207 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 1: On this fine Thursday morning. 208 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 3: I will be thinking all. 209 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: Week about this now, Zara, thank you so much. 210 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 2: I believe you wanted to add one thing to our 211 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 2: idea Darling listeners before we go. 212 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: I did so on Sunday if you listened to our 213 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: podcast on the end of Daylight Saving, we talked about 214 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: whether or not healthcare workers would get paid for the 215 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: extra but also there are so many jobs where you 216 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: could be working overnight, and we ask the listeners whether 217 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: or not they do get paid, and the answer has 218 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,719 Speaker 1: come back that they don't. A lot of them don't. 219 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 2: Get to dms of people saying you're told that you'll 220 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 2: make up that extra hour on the flip side. 221 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: In October, yeah, when we all lose an hour. 222 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 3: Yep, but apparently lots of people aren't working there exactly. 223 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: That's what they said, that there's no guarantee that you'll 224 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: be working in October, but then you're just expected to 225 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 1: do the extra hour in April and you don't get 226 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: paid for it. 227 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 2: I saw a TikTok of someone filming the clock on 228 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 2: the shift and so it was like two fifty nine am, 229 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 2: two am, Oh my god, and they. 230 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 3: Were like, oh my god, another hour of work. 231 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 2: So shout out as always to our healthcare workers shift workers. 232 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 3: Sorry you had to work an extra Yeah. 233 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for listening to this episode 234 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: of The Daily Oz. 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