1
00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:02,960
Speaker 1: But late yesterday it was announced that the Northern Territory

2
00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:07,120
Speaker 1: Government have announced the recipients of their Safe, Respected and

3
00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:11,399
Speaker 1: Free from Violence primary Prevention grants. Now the latest single

4
00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,680
Speaker 1: grants investment for violence prevention in the Northern Territory is

5
00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,800
Speaker 1: what they are. Five point one million dollars is going

6
00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,919
Speaker 1: to be invested across three years in services to be

7
00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:25,160
Speaker 1: delivered by ten successful grant applicants. Now they promote protection

8
00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:29,480
Speaker 1: and safety from domestic, family and sexual violence and one

9
00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,960
Speaker 1: of the recipients of those grants is Music NT to

10
00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,879
Speaker 1: support it's all good project and here to talk to

11
00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,640
Speaker 1: us a little bit more about this funding is well

12
00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:43,160
Speaker 1: from Music NT Shawna Upton. Good morning to you, Shauna.

13
00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,159
Speaker 2: Good morning Katie Shawna.

14
00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:49,480
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time. I think some some

15
00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:53,760
Speaker 1: they'd be looking at Music NTA and thinking that they

16
00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't stand out as the most obvious partnership to receive

17
00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:01,480
Speaker 1: funding under the banner of violence prevents. Tell us a

18
00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,679
Speaker 1: little bit about you know what the organization is doing

19
00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,160
Speaker 1: and how you receive this grant from the Northern Territory Government.

20
00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,360
Speaker 2: Oh, look, certainly you're not the first person who has

21
00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,760
Speaker 2: said that, so it's quite a stretch for music and tea.

22
00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,840
Speaker 2: But I mean in essence, we're trying to create the

23
00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,600
Speaker 2: safer live music spaces for all so and the safer

24
00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,880
Speaker 2: our spaces are and the more inclusive our live music

25
00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,320
Speaker 2: spaces are, the stronger our industry is. So it ties

26
00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,960
Speaker 2: in intrinsically to what we do as music and teas

27
00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,160
Speaker 2: the peak body for original music. But what the All

28
00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,399
Speaker 2: Good Projects does is well at present, it's been going

29
00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,880
Speaker 2: for about eighteen months. We did receive eighteen months work

30
00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,040
Speaker 2: of funding and this is an additional three years that

31
00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,480
Speaker 2: has just been announced. And what we've been doing in

32
00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:48,320
Speaker 2: that time is working with live music venues in four

33
00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:52,600
Speaker 2: different locations, so Darwin, Alice, Springs, Catherine and Tennant Creek.

34
00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:54,880
Speaker 2: And there was a lot of you know, a lot

35
00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,120
Speaker 2: of research done, a lot of talking on the ground

36
00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:01,040
Speaker 2: to musicians, to staff members, to pay trends in the

37
00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,760
Speaker 2: development process of this, and I've basically created a three

38
00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,840
Speaker 2: hour workshop where then you stuff will come in and

39
00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,239
Speaker 2: attend this workshop and we'll give them took all the

40
00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,200
Speaker 2: information that you feel like they should know, but it's

41
00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,440
Speaker 2: not covered in RSA at all. So we talk about

42
00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,680
Speaker 2: things like unconscious bias, what discriminations laws are in the

43
00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,840
Speaker 2: Northern Territory, the different ways you can step in if

44
00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,880
Speaker 2: you see something happening, how to respond correctly to sexual violence.

45
00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:29,919
Speaker 2: So all of those things that are really important that

46
00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,920
Speaker 2: staff at license venues are dealing with on quite a

47
00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,880
Speaker 2: regular basis, but without any kind of prior knowledge of

48
00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,840
Speaker 2: how to respond correctly. We've also developed a bunch of

49
00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,919
Speaker 2: promotional material that kind of backs up the changes in

50
00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,680
Speaker 2: staff actions and sort of puts a bit of onus

51
00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,240
Speaker 2: back on the patroons as well to a educate them

52
00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,880
Speaker 2: on what acceptable behaviors sands are and be to sort

53
00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,160
Speaker 2: of be able to reprimand them if they're not adhering

54
00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:55,440
Speaker 2: to that.

55
00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,120
Speaker 1: Get right, And so Seanna, I suppose you know, to

56
00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,040
Speaker 1: put it in real lifeman's terms. If you know, if

57
00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:06,679
Speaker 1: somebody goes into a venue, you know, and and there

58
00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,480
Speaker 1: is there is something going on that shouldn't be going on,

59
00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:13,160
Speaker 1: or if somebody approaches a staff member who's maybe afraid

60
00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,679
Speaker 1: that you know, they're suffering from some kind of a

61
00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,560
Speaker 1: violent situation, is it about educating the staff that are

62
00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,040
Speaker 1: there to try and help them to deal with that situation.

63
00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,720
Speaker 2: Exactly right, So it's about educating the staff to kind

64
00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,880
Speaker 2: of treat everything seriously. So the number one we've got

65
00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,760
Speaker 2: a very dense policy document for the venues that are

66
00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:36,400
Speaker 2: a part of this is the number one thing that

67
00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:40,240
Speaker 2: I reiterate staff is absolutely zero tolerance for any form

68
00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:44,160
Speaker 2: of harassment or violence. Because essentially what happens if it

69
00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,320
Speaker 2: can start off with just I mean, I'm sure we've

70
00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,880
Speaker 2: all seen this, you know, I'm going to really generalize here,

71
00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,160
Speaker 2: like two blokes for the bar getting it to their

72
00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,320
Speaker 2: a little bit of grief, and then all of a

73
00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,080
Speaker 2: sudden that can switch really quickly and become far bigger

74
00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,520
Speaker 2: deal that it needs to be. Or you know, for

75
00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,840
Speaker 2: staff members themselves, sometimes seemingly little comments, you know, quite

76
00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,200
Speaker 2: a few or quite often we get, you know, racist comments.

77
00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,160
Speaker 2: We have a lot of people from overseas working in

78
00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:11,480
Speaker 2: hospitality in the Northern territories, and these seemingly little, sort

79
00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,800
Speaker 2: of somewhat insignificant comments really start to add up and build,

80
00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,440
Speaker 2: and so it's about encouraging them to call out any

81
00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,680
Speaker 2: behavior that doesn't adhere to the guidelines that we've set out,

82
00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,159
Speaker 2: because that's when we actually start to change culture. Yeah,

83
00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:24,920
Speaker 2: if we start to go, look, no, this is like

84
00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,200
Speaker 2: it's not okay, you can't do them here and to

85
00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,760
Speaker 2: educate people on why. So essentially, each venue that has

86
00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:33,599
Speaker 2: signed up for the All Good Project will have a

87
00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,120
Speaker 2: decal or sticker that sort of marks them as an

88
00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,000
Speaker 2: official venue at entry. It's also listed online as well

89
00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,960
Speaker 2: as that people can kind of check and make an

90
00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,440
Speaker 2: educated decision about where they want to go. But you

91
00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,799
Speaker 2: kind of go into those venues knowing that the staff

92
00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,719
Speaker 2: have received that training and that if you do broach

93
00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,039
Speaker 2: them with an issue, they will take it seriously and

94
00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,200
Speaker 2: respond correctly. And on a similar note, as a staff

95
00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,719
Speaker 2: member working in there, you know that you've got kind

96
00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,480
Speaker 2: of got the backing of this awareness and this policy

97
00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,320
Speaker 2: to call out behavior, whether it come from performers or

98
00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,799
Speaker 2: patrons that doesn't adhere to those standards.

99
00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,040
Speaker 1: And Seanna, is this a brand new project for music

100
00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:09,880
Speaker 1: in Tea or is it something that you've sort of,

101
00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,240
Speaker 1: I guess loosely been doing already.

102
00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,919
Speaker 2: Look, we certainly it's brand new. It's brand new from

103
00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,080
Speaker 2: so you know, eighteen months ago when we received the

104
00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,039
Speaker 2: first round of funding. But we often would and this

105
00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,320
Speaker 2: is sort of what what kind of made us think

106
00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,280
Speaker 2: along these lines, because we would often field a lot

107
00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,839
Speaker 2: of complaints, mainly from performers obviously with the space we occupy,

108
00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,480
Speaker 2: about bad behavior towards them and some sometimes a lack

109
00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,279
Speaker 2: of supports and venues when they did call that out.

110
00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:43,360
Speaker 2: And I mean, as a female agentifying person myself, I

111
00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,320
Speaker 2: know that there's been plenty of times and I have

112
00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,760
Speaker 2: been harassed in you know, in licensed live music spaces,

113
00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:50,960
Speaker 2: and I would like to think and I know most

114
00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,640
Speaker 2: of my friends, most of my female identifying friends have too,

115
00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,320
Speaker 2: And you know, i'd like to think that eventually we

116
00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,120
Speaker 2: get to this point where everyone can go out and

117
00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,279
Speaker 2: enjoy live music without having to worry about the crowd

118
00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,560
Speaker 2: and people grabbing them or what they're wearing and all

119
00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,560
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, because realistically, music brings people together,

120
00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,680
Speaker 2: and it's absolutely nonsense that certain groups of people are

121
00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,440
Speaker 2: made to feel more unsafe in enjoying music.

122
00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,040
Speaker 1: Sure, how is music and tea going to you know,

123
00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,760
Speaker 1: going to gauge the success of the program or just

124
00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,120
Speaker 1: how well it does or doesn't work well.

125
00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,440
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a couple of different ways. Obviously, awareness

126
00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,279
Speaker 2: of the program is a big one. It's a lot

127
00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:32,119
Speaker 2: about education and the thing with the subjects we're dealing

128
00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:36,600
Speaker 2: with even you know, even researchers from universities have trouble gauging,

129
00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,919
Speaker 2: you know, exact data around things to do with sexual

130
00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,640
Speaker 2: violence specifically because it is so underreported. So as a

131
00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,679
Speaker 2: matter of fact, it's a difficult one because it's actually

132
00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,280
Speaker 2: going to be able to prove we're doing well if

133
00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,520
Speaker 2: we get more report. Yeah, because people don't report. So

134
00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,000
Speaker 2: we want people to actually be calling out this behavior

135
00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,160
Speaker 2: and speaking ideally. We don't want to like they can

136
00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,040
Speaker 2: come to music and Team let us know. And certainly

137
00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,600
Speaker 2: there is some guidelines around that if a venue has

138
00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,240
Speaker 2: says they're an all good venue and they haven't done

139
00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:04,840
Speaker 2: the right thing. But we actually want to get to

140
00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,320
Speaker 2: the point by the end of this three funding period

141
00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,080
Speaker 2: where we're not having to be that middleman where people

142
00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,840
Speaker 2: feel empowered to actually go to the venue management and

143
00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,880
Speaker 2: know that will be handled correctly. And we also are

144
00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,240
Speaker 2: asking participating venues to submit just sort of a monthly

145
00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,800
Speaker 2: stats around how many issues they have had. We can

146
00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,960
Speaker 2: see trends, we can see, you know, we notice different

147
00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,160
Speaker 2: trends and drive season this is top and specific drive

148
00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,520
Speaker 2: season and wet season and things like that. But also

149
00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,440
Speaker 2: act as a bit of a conduit to share that

150
00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,640
Speaker 2: information amongst venues because there isn't really one specific body.

151
00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,640
Speaker 2: You've got hospitality and t but not every venue is

152
00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,280
Speaker 2: signed up to that. They don't have to be that's

153
00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,880
Speaker 2: that's something that they pay and choose to do. And

154
00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:45,840
Speaker 2: what we've found, like in the past is, you know,

155
00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,240
Speaker 2: you get a group of travelers coming through and then

156
00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,880
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, we have you know, specific drugs

157
00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:52,880
Speaker 2: being used a little bit more or whatever it might be,

158
00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,640
Speaker 2: and the venue. Some venues know that this is happening,

159
00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,400
Speaker 2: other venues don't, and it's really powerful for everyone to

160
00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,080
Speaker 2: be able to share that information and it benefits the

161
00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,760
Speaker 2: industry as a whole. So that's some of the ways

162
00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,960
Speaker 2: it's hard to kind of get specific stats. Yeah about yep,

163
00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:08,520
Speaker 2: we know that we want to reduce it by these

164
00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,600
Speaker 2: much percent because realistically, if the program is working, we

165
00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,680
Speaker 2: will actually see a spike in reporting because people will

166
00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,880
Speaker 2: feel more empowered to be able to call out that

167
00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:22,640
Speaker 2: behavior and speak about that. But eventually, after you know,

168
00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:24,480
Speaker 2: the first eighteen months, we kind of want to see

169
00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:26,680
Speaker 2: that spike, and then we hope that kind of panders

170
00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,400
Speaker 2: out a little bit as people's behavior begins to change.

171
00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,760
Speaker 2: We are looking at cultural change here, so it's not

172
00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:33,240
Speaker 2: going to happen overnight. Yeah.

173
00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,600
Speaker 1: Well, Sewna, we really appreciate your time this morning. Like

174
00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,320
Speaker 1: I said in that intro, you know, when i'd first

175
00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,640
Speaker 1: sort of heard that the Northern Territory government had announced

176
00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:44,920
Speaker 1: the recipients of the grants, I was surprised when it

177
00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,360
Speaker 1: was music into But now that when you've explained it

178
00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,440
Speaker 1: to us, you go, oh, yeah, that actually makes sense.

179
00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's really interesting and I think that, Yeah,

180
00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,360
Speaker 1: I do hope that we wind up in a situation

181
00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,440
Speaker 1: where if people are feeling unsafe, where they do feel

182
00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,200
Speaker 1: you know, safe enough to be able to make sure

183
00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,480
Speaker 1: that they are reporting it and you know, reporting it

184
00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,760
Speaker 1: to you guys as well. But with this all good project,

185
00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:08,960
Speaker 1: it does sound like it's sort of make things a

186
00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:10,080
Speaker 1: bit easier hopefully.

187
00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, also, you know, it provides it empowers staff

188
00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,600
Speaker 2: to be able to handle situations correctly, and it also

189
00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,640
Speaker 2: empowers patrons and performers to speak up. That's what we're

190
00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:21,960
Speaker 2: trying to do here, and I'm very determined to do

191
00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:23,480
Speaker 2: that over the next three years.

192
00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,240
Speaker 1: Shauna, thanks so much for having a chat to us today.

193
00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:27,160
Speaker 1: I really appreciate

194
00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,480
Speaker 2: It, no worries, thank thank you,