WEBVTT - UNPACKED REALITY - AUSTRALIAN SURVIVOR - ELIMINATION CHAT 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:04.960 TV Reload the podcast last weep that line. Welcome back, 0:00:04.960 --> 0:00:07.800 guys to TV Reload. Thank you for clicking or downloading. 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:11.600 On today's episode with Sarah, the seventh eliminated contestant from 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:15.080 this year's Australian Survivor on Network ten, I will be 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:17.680 talking about her time and Samora, of course, and what 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:20.520 she thinks now that the smoke has well and truly 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:24.280 been snuffed out on her torch. Australian Survivor Titans Versus 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:26.840 Rebels is a showdown that pits the winners against the 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:30.200 underdogs and the big wigs against the battlers, with each 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:33.680 player competing for the grand prize of half a million dollars. 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:37.239 After cuddling up with Tobias, Sarah found herself on the 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:39.839 minority alliance called the Cuddle Crew, which formed on the 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:42.760 first night in the Rebels tribe. Despite continuing without the 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:46.160 number advantage following the tribal switch, Sarah's game was given 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:49.440 a new hope as the Titan's middle aged mafia recruited 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:53.600 her to blindside Viola. Unfortunately for Sarah, this goodwill proved 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:56.520 to be quite short lived. Despite Mark extending an olive 0:00:56.560 --> 0:00:59.080 branch to enlist her in his counter strike against his 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:02.040 former alliance. The Mafia court wind of this plan and 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:05.080 played pretty defensively for treating on their plan to do 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:07.560 a split vote, but then decided to go all in 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:11.160 on Sarah, outing her from the competition. Sarah will reveal 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:14.000 what happened in that final tribal council that saw Eden 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:17.360 spark a wildfire that saw the castaways all putting her 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:20.640 name down. We will also talk about Tobias and why 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:23.920 Sarah was actually happy he left the competition and what 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:26.640 it meant to her game. Moving forward, I want to 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:29.720 find out about Sweed. Caroline and Sarah will talk about 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:31.760 if she is the mother hen or whether or not 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:35.120 she is a controlling mastermind. Plus we will find out 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:38.399 what Australian Survivor taught Sarah and why this experience has 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:41.360 changed her life in more ways than one. There is 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:44.039 actually so much to one pack with Sarah and she 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:46.280 is really fun to talk to, So sit back and 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:49.320 relax as we dive just that little bit deeper into 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:52.880 the world of Australian Survivor. You know, I already have 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:55.480 to apologize at this point of the chat. Because I 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:58.960 had to bias on and I read into some chemistry 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:01.160 between the two of you, and I was like, so 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:03.240 did you and Sarah go out for a date And 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:05.440 he was like, no, I have a girlfriend. 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:09.160 He's lovely, but yeah. 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:10.239 Yeah, yeah, We'll leave it at that. 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:14.360 What a tribal council last night? Oh so stressed? Are 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:14.920 you okay? 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:17.120 Wow? It was so stressful. 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:20.440 I got very emotional too, because I don't like when 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:22.640 people don't like me or include me. 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:24.000 So that was a lot. 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:26.200 It felt like you said that you were overwhelmed, and 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:29.919 everyone just stacked on you. What went wrong in your mind? 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:33.560 There was a lot of components. I think that went wrong. 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:37.600 Firstly, I think I put too much trust in kitting Caroline. 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:41.359 I thought we'd built a genuine connection the days prior 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:44.880 with Red as well, we actually spoke about having a 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:46.760 girl alliance and kind of. 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:48.680 Sticking together till merge. 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:54.840 That became something that wasn't very valid because they completely 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:55.919 lied to me and. 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:56.920 Turned their back on me. 0:02:57.000 --> 0:03:00.680 And it was ingenuine obviously, whereas I thought, you know, 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:04.359 that was a genuine conversation. And I find myself on 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:06.919 being genuine and telling the truth and trying to build 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:09.920 like proper connections with people. So that was really that 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:13.480 kind of hit hit hard for me, especially after being 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:16.880 so burnt pretty much the whole game from everyone. For 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:19.320 the first time, I thought that I'd gained some trust, 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:22.600 built a relationship, especially being in on the viola boat. 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:24.560 I was like, I'm on the right side with the 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:27.720 black side. Finally I was feeling good. I was playing 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.359 my own game. I was really sad once to buy 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:31.840 it s left, but I think it was actually. 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:34.040 Good for my game because then I didn't have him 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:36.760 hanging over me, like I could then go and you know, 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:39.320 trade my own path and paid my own way. So 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:41.960 for the first time, I was finally feeling in control 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:44.600 of my game and building connections. I was like, really good, 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:46.760 And then it just all flipped back on me again. 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:48.240 I was at the bottom again. 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:53.360 And yeah, next minute, I'm nearly setting fire a JLP Like, yeah, 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:55.880 oh my. 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:58.200 God, that was so funny. I don't remember doing that. 0:03:58.400 --> 0:03:59.520 Watching it last night, I was like. 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:02.000 Oh my god, Sarah, can I just say I have 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:05.160 this repeated dream. It's a recurring dream that I'm on 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:09.040 Survivor and it sort of changes, but I'm always eliminated 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:12.600 first and then for some reason, I feel like it's 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:15.600 in my personality that I try to have like a 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:18.200 moment with JLP before he stuffs the torch, and it 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:21.120 always sort of goes awkwardly wrong, like as in I'll 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:23.799 be like, oh, thanks for coming and hosting the show 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:27.279 and just say something, thank you so much, thank you. 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:31.960 Do you want to make out after me? I don't know. 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:34.200 Like I've watched the episode twice and I feel like 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:36.839 you might have protested too much with your l plate 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:40.239 speech because I don't know how it happened in real life. 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:43.200 But when Sue dropped that l plate speech and you 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:46.279 said everyone else has a full license, Eden just whispered 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:49.920 get rid of Mara, basically yeah, well, I don't understand 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:52.720 the rationale of that. What transpired for Eden to then 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:54.640 say to stack those votes on just you. 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:57.400 I don't know if it was from my l plate speech. 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:02.680 I just think they had a suspicion that Mark had turned. 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:05.400 I don't know if anyone else picks up on it, 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:07.560 but the way that they seat you at tribal council 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:10.400 can sometimes indicate the way people are going to vote, 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:12.840 and having read up the end, me. 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:13.720 Down the other end. 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:17.120 I think they'd realized that I wasn't with them, and 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:19.200 well not that I was going to be with them anyway, 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:20.680 but they definitely realized. 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:22.320 That Mark was doing something else. 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:24.440 And I think they knew that or they had a 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:26.800 suspicion that Mark had an idol, so stack it on 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:27.360 me while. 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:29.360 Not I'm the easy target. I'm the one that tells 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:29.800 the truth. 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:31.880 Maybe that's I mean, I'd love to see as a 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:34.719 deleted scene of JLP doing like a seating plan, you know, 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:36.640 like when you've got people coming over for dinner and 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:39.080 you've got your seating plan, and so there must be 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:41.120 a lot of thought into Okay, well we're going to 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:43.520 put that person there and put this person here. 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:44.800 Oh, that person doesn't get along. 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:48.000 Maybe JLP does it. Well, I don't know if he does. 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:49.480 He's always got me close to. 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:52.520 Him, absolutely, manet he just comes sit next to me 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:55.360 and then I'd read it wrong and the next thing 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.360 and I'd lean in for the awkward kiss. 0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:00.120 Yeah. Anyway, Yeah, I'm surprised I. 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.560 Said didn't actually going to hug JLP because I hugged 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:03.320 everyone else. 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:05.840 It's in my nature to do that. I'm yeah, I'm 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:07.480 surprised I didn't do that because probably would have been 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:08.040 very awkward. 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:10.560 I love an awkward I love an awkward hug. But 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:13.160 have you spoken to Eden since to find out why 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:15.400 he did? He give you a rationale? 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:17.880 Like is he said? Okay, so what did he tell you? 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:18.320 So? 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:20.599 I actually spoke to Eden last night or this morning, 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:26.159 and he didn't think I was being genuine about Mark 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:29.760 voting against them. I think he thought that I was 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:32.279 just trying to blow up the game and save myself, 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:35.120 which I was actually genuinely trying to be like guys, 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:38.159 like I thought we had something I'm telling here. I'm 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:40.640 going to tell you this information to gain your trust 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:43.080 and then hopefully be safe for another day. That was 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:45.880 my rationale, And he thought I was just trying to 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:47.560 confuse them, which I wasn't. 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:48.680 I was the one confused. 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:51.039 They are the ones with the solid votes and alliances 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:52.840 and everything. I was the one that was just like, 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:54.520 I'm just trying to get to the bottom of this. 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:56.479 I'm just trying to figure out who's telling the truth, 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:58.360 who's not, where the votes are going so. 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:01.200 Then I can make a decision to align myself with tonight. 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:03.440 Because I knew my name was on the shopping block 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:04.880 and I didn't want to go home. 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:06.800 I was having a fun time, I was enjoying it. 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:10.640 I we want to go home, back to reality. 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:13.240 What I can't understand, though, is Ree, you have to 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:15.800 help me with this. Like re, yeah, you and Mark 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:18.600 and Ree had a conversation on the beach where Mark 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:21.520 revealed that he had an idol, and so I don't 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:24.320 understand why reflipped. I mean she kind of flipped, which 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:27.160 when it went against what you two had planned, which 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:30.160 was weird because you were the only person in her alliance, 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:32.760 But like, why would she put a vote on Mark? 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:33.600 I don't understand. 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:36.320 I still think at that point she was putting too 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:38.200 much trust in Kitty and Caroline. 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:39.480 I think she was. 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:43.040 Trying to set herself up to be in their alliance 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.320 moving forward in the game. And I think she kind 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:48.320 of knew at that point that it was more my 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:50.240 name on the chopping block than has I don't know, 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:55.480 I'm speaking yeah yeah, from the episode, and I think 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:59.200 she got a bit scared and just wanted to be 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:03.080 with the majority. Ultimately, that sent me home, which sucks 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:05.320 because me and really really close and we still are, 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:07.720 and I adore her and I think she's the most 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:08.720 amazing person. 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:12.040 But yeah, she just freaked out put a vote on Mark. 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:13.600 They told her to vote for Mark and no one 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:15.800 else voting for Mark. 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:17.760 She feels really bad, she really does. 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:20.200 We've spoken and she feels really bad, and she feels 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:20.800 a bit silly. 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:23.160 Yeah, not bit silly. I think it feels silly. 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:25.880 I went home. I'm the silly one. 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:28.360 I'm the one that went home. She got to live 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:31.280 another day in the game. So look, I'm the silly 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:33.240 one in all of this. I should have just kept 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:36.280 my mouth shut in hindsight, and you know, trusted Mark 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:38.600 from the get go. But I just didn't have that 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:41.400 foundation and trusted him because he put my name down 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:42.480 the tribal before. 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:43.160 I don't know. 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:45.520 Look, you know what I don't And when it comes 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:47.040 to read, the only thing I'll say is she kind 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:49.480 of reminds me of the goat in Jurassic Park, you know, 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:51.240 the goat that just comes out of the ground just 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:54.280 before like as in like she's just there to be eaten. 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.680 Like I said, I, oh no, she's actually such a 0:08:58.000 --> 0:08:58.920 beautiful person. 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.439 I don't like people looking badly about I'm not. 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:02.200 Saying anything bad. 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:05.000 I mean, I know that goat means something different in 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:07.880 the Survivor universe people, yes, different terminology. 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:12.080 But I just feel like with her that she's just 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:14.560 going to be eaten by the tea rens. I don't know. 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:18.640 Yeah, I get it, I see it. I see it, 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:20.280 and I don't like it. 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:24.960 Okay, yeah, I don't know. Even Mark dropping his golden loot, 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:26.040 which is what he called it, you. 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:28.200 Know, it felt like he maybe that. 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:30.520 Was hard proof that even he was confused and had 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:31.640 no idea what was going on. 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:34.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I think we thought that 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:37.840 there was a split on Mark and myself, so he 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:40.200 was going to play his idol and then there was 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:42.080 only going to be like two votes on me, and 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:43.959 then there was meant to be like two or three 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:45.440 votes on me, and then there was meant to be 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:46.760 four votes on Carolina. 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:48.920 She would have gone hoigh, okay if he played his idol. 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:52.480 But I remember being at that tribal and hearing my name, 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:55.520 and I should have taken the initiative and said to Mark, 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:58.720 played for me. But I'm way to selfless. I'm way 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:02.520 too I know, like having other people put themselves out 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:02.800 for me. 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:04.760 So I didn't actually. 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:07.200 Have that conversation with Buck which I should have in hindsight, 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:08.280 it's a great bloody thing. 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:09.520 Then that would have been an. 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:11.560 Ethic move because that would have been you know, it 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:14.600 would have completely flipped it on its head and Caroline would. 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:14.840 Have gone home. 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:17.520 It's really interesting with the online community about the way 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:20.600 they support Caroline. For me, I find her a little 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:23.440 bit unlikable. I don't know if that's really horrible to say. 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:24.840 I mean, what's it like. 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:27.600 On the beach, you know, when you're a fellow castaway 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:31.680 in Samoa? I mean, does she come across like because 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:33.839 she's I don't know, she's sort of polarizing me. She's 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:37.280 you know, Pippa from home in away and other references 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:41.720 outdates your time, or she's like Blenda the bad Witch 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:42.200 or something. 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:44.120 I don't know, Like I just I don't know where 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:44.800 she lands. 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:47.800 From my experience, I only got to spend a couple 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:48.520 of days with her. 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:49.800 She was really lovely to me. 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:51.960 She you know, I was going through a bit of 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:54.440 a crazy time in my brain with everything that had 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:56.800 happened in the game and with all of these you know, 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:58.360 you get a lot of quiet time on stun to 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:00.880 think about your life and perspective on things. And I 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:03.720 was going through big personal rebirth at the time, and 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:06.760 she was really company for me during that. So I 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:09.200 actually had some nice experiences with her. But I have 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:10.280 since seen you know, the. 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:12.280 Previous episodes as well, where she's. 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:14.160 You know, saying to the boys, you know, they're eating 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:18.239 too much, and then like being really micromanagy, really controlling. 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:20.600 I didn't see that side of her, but I think 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:24.080 that's because she was trying to mother me, which was nice, That's. 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:24.920 What I mean, which is nice. 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:28.719 What is the deal with Jaden's absence from that scramble? 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:31.640 Was he at medical or was he taken off some 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:35.559 red rooster like the man like I even forgot. I 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:37.360 thought he was on the other tribe, and then we 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:39.000 got to the tribal council and he was there in 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:42.240 the background, and I've had this ongoing theory that he's 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:46.000 only there to goggle box you all inside the show's theory. 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:47.120 What happen? Where was he? 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:50.679 Yes, So I actually tried to have a conversation with 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:53.520 Jaden because I was having a chat to everyone because 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:56.000 I wanted to find out where everyone's boat was going, 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:58.000 or so they were saying to me where. 0:11:57.800 --> 0:11:59.760 Their boat was going. To figure out where the truth 0:11:59.880 --> 0:12:01.679 was where I was going to a line. I had 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:02.240 a chat with him. 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:04.400 I was like, hey, Jenen, like I thought we weren't 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:06.839 kind of in the same alliance at the time, so 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:08.400 I was like, I think right in the same lights. 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:10.760 He goes, oh, are we and I was like yeah. 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:12.400 He goes, oh, I don't think so. 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:14.280 And I was like, oh, okay, Like do you want 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:16.560 to have a chat and he was like he was 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:17.200 like no. 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:19.320 He was like, oh, I don't know where IM voted. 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:21.200 I was like, okay, good chat. 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:23.240 So yeah, that's kind of all I got from him. 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:27.720 He was very fly by the what's the saying fly. 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:29.200 By the same of his pants? I think is what 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:29.480 it is. 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:31.520 But I always got I always say fly by the 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:34.199 seat of the pants, and I'm like, that's that's not 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:37.640 even a thing. But we get what we're talking about here. Yeah, 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:38.400 I get you. 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:42.040 He was very much like that same and you know, 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:44.040 it got him to the next day. 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:47.040 So good on him for his you know, strategy or 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:50.480 black thereof. It paid off in the end. I guess 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:51.480 maybe we. 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:53.720 Should have been a bit smarter, like as in Mark 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:58.040 myself alex and Ree initially and got him on board 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:00.560 because he was quite malleable, and I don't think he 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:03.240 was super solid with that alliance. I think he just 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:05.240 thought it was easy and they always just told him 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:07.280 why to vote. If it meant he wasn't going home, 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:08.080 then he was happy. 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.000 It's not like he's hard to miss. He's a big unit, 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:14.600 like as in, you'd be like that bloke over there, 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:15.840 we need to use that. 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:17.280 He's a part of a headcount. 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:17.720 Yeah. 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:20.960 It kind of reminds me as well of your conflict 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.640 with Alex. You know, there was this moment on the 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:25.720 beach where it actually looked like the two of you 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:27.720 were going to have more of an argument about him 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:29.280 telling you not to go and blow up the game. 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:33.000 What was your take on Alex? And had you stayed 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:34.440 on the beach, would you have ended up in a 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:36.480 full blown argument with him about something? It looked like 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:37.480 there was some tension there. 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:40.160 Look, I wasn't going to have an argument with him. 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:43.360 I was just trying to figure out who was telling 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:45.960 the truth. I didn't feel like I could completely trust 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:49.280 Alex at that point, just because he well. 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:51.520 He's never pulled off good you know what I mean, 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:52.439 Like he's never. 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:56.280 Yeah, Yeah, he was quite sneaky, it felt like, so 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:58.880 I wasn't sure if he was just saying that to 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:01.560 us to say that's why I had to go and 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:02.920 have those other conversations. 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:05.800 But watching it back, I must say last night, it 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:06.800 actually was quite. 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:08.840 Obvious to me now that he was telling the truths 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:11.200 because his body language was different. The way he spoke 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:13.880 to us was different, especially Mark as well. The way 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:16.280 he was like, gods like this, that and the other, 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:17.720 Like he hadn't spoken. 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:19.640 To me like that before. It's like, oh, yeah, just 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:21.240 put your vote on that, and it's like very like 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:22.200 they're trying to. 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:24.400 Not give away too much, whereas Mark was like, this 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:26.760 is what's happening. Put your vote here, I have an 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:30.040 idol and that's that. That second conversation with Mark I 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:31.200 was solid from then on. 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:33.120 It should have been, but I mean I still picked 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:35.640 up on that. I mean, Mark's face did change this episode. 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:35.840 You know. 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:38.320 I think he felt a little butt hurt from the 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:40.960 episode before and then now he's here and he's kind 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:43.560 of gone from sort of mister boss to mister bean, 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:44.360 you know what I mean. 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:46.320 Like he kind of had this sort of like I 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:46.760 don't know. 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:48.960 Strange look that was on his face, which made it 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:51.520 really hard to work out how to trust him. 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:56.760 Yes, and that's exactly why the first conversation wasn't enough 0:14:56.760 --> 0:14:57.000 for me. 0:14:57.200 --> 0:14:59.120 And then that's why I had to go and have 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:00.320 chats with other Peop people. 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:04.080 And then when he realized that, Ree and I went 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:07.560 to Kitty and told Kitty about what was happening with Mark. 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:09.960 And then Mark came back to us and was like, guys, 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:12.200 I know you've done this. I don't care plans changing, 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:13.200 but it's still going to work. 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:15.480 I have an idol. I was like, okay, so he's 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:18.240 come back with the other comeback of blah blah blah. 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:21.000 Uh like, yellola, Sorry, I'm getting very jumbled, but it 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:21.920 was very confusing. 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:24.120 I get you. 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:27.000 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah. 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:29.760 Look in the end, it sucked that it didn't work 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:33.160 out and re voted on the other side, but look, 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:36.000 that's the game. It's a little bit of luck, it's 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:37.880 a little bit of smarts, it's. 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:39.920 A little bit of a little bit of everything. Really. 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:41.760 I just feel like with Mark, when he brought up 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:43.800 the invisible hand, I was like, how invisible has this 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:46.680 hand been? He brought up something from the first Star 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:49.000 Wars movie. Felt sort of a bit silly for him 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:50.440 to bring that up at that point. 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:52.000 You know, yeah, I. 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:54.960 Didn't even know about this invisible hand, and I don't 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:58.720 really even know what it references Star Wars, right, I've 0:15:58.720 --> 0:15:59.400 never seen it, so. 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:00.760 Oh no, no, no, don't think it's Star Wars. 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:02.280 I just meant, like, you know, there's so many Star 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:05.080 Wars movies you never know, you never know which one 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:05.960 they've said something in. 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:08.080 You know what I mean, like you, oh, yes. 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:11.600 Yes, yes, oh yeah, it's very Star Wars reference, isn't it? 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.560 Well for Eden of course, because you know he was 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:16.600