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Speaker 3: She's on the Money. She's on the Money.
Speaker 4: Hello, and welcome to She's on the Money, the podcast
Speaker 4: for brides who want financial freedom. Today is Friday, which
Speaker 4: means it is time to sit back with the girls
Speaker 4: with a bev in hand, to celebrate Victoria's upcoming wedding,
Speaker 4: but also to unpack our favorite moments of the week,
Speaker 4: and of course to celebrate you me my wedding, but
Speaker 4: also you guys, our incredible She's on the Money community.
Speaker 4: As always, we're going to be sharing our favorite money wins.
Speaker 4: We're going to discuss what's making news in the Finance World,
Speaker 4: and we're going to be helping answer a juicy money question,
Speaker 4: which this week isn't about money, it's about employment.
Speaker 2: We're going to be talking about how to approach your employer.
Speaker 4: When it comes to difficult conversations about salary and job description.
Speaker 4: But first, as always, it is time to recap the
Speaker 4: week that was. Missus greed she what have you got
Speaker 4: for us this week?
Speaker 5: Staris was an absolute powerhouse and I think her childhood
Speaker 5: had a little bit to do or a lot to
Speaker 5: do with her money story. She said she grew up
Speaker 5: with a single mum who worked really hard to give
Speaker 5: her the things that she needed, and she ended up
Speaker 5: going out and buying her first property or by herself,
Speaker 5: which she now rents to her grandparents, which is very,
Speaker 5: very wholesome. She leveraged the equity from that property to
Speaker 5: get into a second home, and she really just worked
Speaker 5: super hard to build everything up for herself. She's just
Speaker 5: started her investment journey, which we love to see. And
Speaker 5: it was really fun because she was telling us about
Speaker 5: her partner, who is a financial advisor as well, and
Speaker 5: she was saying that her partner was so impressed with
Speaker 5: how much she knows and she learned it all in
Speaker 5: the pod, which was just the sweetest thing ever. And
Speaker 5: we thought we'd spice your Sunday up this week with
Speaker 5: a very special bonus episode which was all about the
Speaker 5: psychology of saving Victoria had a special guest, doctor Lily
Speaker 5: Sussman join her. Lily's actually a social scientist and the
Speaker 5: chief strategy officer at Weiser. Her PhD research at Harvard
Speaker 5: was on decision making, behavioral economics and psychology in foreign
Speaker 5: policy decision making, so she's very smart and very legitimate,
Speaker 5: and it was a super interesting chat all about the
Speaker 5: kind of taboo topic of financial stress and the disconnect
Speaker 5: between the intention and action, as well as the importance
Speaker 5: of self love and how to make meaningful change. It
Speaker 5: was such a good episode, and that meant that you've
Speaker 5: got five episodes this week, including Radio How Crazy Is That?
Speaker 4: And straight over to you on the other side of
Speaker 4: the table, Miss Georgia King. What did we talk about
Speaker 4: on our Wednesday episode?
Speaker 6: Hello VD? We spoke all about passive investing, so we've
Speaker 6: spoken about it briefly in contrast to active investing fairly recently,
Speaker 6: a few months ago maybe, but this time we really
Speaker 6: honed in on exactly what passive investing is. We learned
Speaker 6: that it's very much long term strategy, it's lower risk
Speaker 6: than a more active approach, and that it primarily uses
Speaker 6: index funds. But because there's plenty more to.
Speaker 4: Know, I love that one of my favorite topics, to
Speaker 4: be honest, hot girl stuff is definitely passive invest Ten
Speaker 4: out of ten gives you more time for other stuff
Speaker 4: that you might want to get done. All right, Georgia King,
Speaker 4: it's time for our budget direct money wins and confessions
Speaker 4: of the week.
Speaker 2: What have you got for us?
Speaker 6: Alrighty, girly, So the first win of the week comes
Speaker 6: from Carolyn. I've been looking for a four match of
Speaker 6: powder everywhere. I was shopping at Aldi today and it
Speaker 6: was only seven dollars ninety nine for one hundred and
Speaker 6: thirty grams. That was down from nine dollars ninety nine.
Speaker 6: If that was that'sn't already cheaping up?
Speaker 2: I MITCHA. I don't know.
Speaker 6: Have you guys been to much a Maiden?
Speaker 4: No, but it used to be owned by my friend
Speaker 4: Sarah Holloway. Not anymore, Sarah Davidson. Sorry, she's gotten spiritual
Speaker 4: of Sarah. Congradulation, Lady Sah sold it what a baller.
Speaker 4: Imagine being an owner of a business meanings I sold
Speaker 4: the business absolutely still don't know how much match it costs,
Speaker 4: but moving on, carry on the next week it comes
Speaker 4: from Sammy, I did my groceries online for the first time,
Speaker 4: which means I only bought what we actually needed. Weird
Speaker 4: flex it cost me half as much as what it
Speaker 4: usually does if I go into the store. Do you
Speaker 4: guys ever shop online?
Speaker 1: We do?
Speaker 5: You click and collect sometimes, but I don't like that.
Speaker 5: You don't get to pick your producer and meat, and
Speaker 5: I only will try and get things that are like,
Speaker 5: not very ripe so that I have lots of time
Speaker 5: to use them, whereas I feel like sometimes if they've
Speaker 5: got a clear stuff out that goes into the click
Speaker 5: and collect waters Yeah, yeah, so I don't love that.
Speaker 4: Can you leave a note and be like, hey, I
Speaker 4: want unwrite bananas and they'll be like, okay, scener worries.
Speaker 6: I think it could be a solution. Yeah, okay, all right,
Speaker 6: well done, Sammy. The next win it comes from Lena
Speaker 6: money Win. I've been the only one at my gym's
Speaker 6: group class lately, which means I'm getting a private session
Speaker 6: for freehead.
Speaker 2: That's actually so smart.
Speaker 4: And you're not even paying for a group session. You're
Speaker 4: just going to the gym and getting free pet exactly.
Speaker 6: Not bad. Next win comes from Courtney money Win. My
Speaker 6: family are always extremely generous when it comes to birthdays
Speaker 6: and Christmases, and I have a habit of stashing these
Speaker 6: cards away with money inside for a rainy day. Anyway,
Speaker 6: I decided it was finally time to clean up my
Speaker 6: office today and inside an old birthday card was a
Speaker 6: cheeky two hundred and fifty dollars.
Speaker 2: Oh she wasn't joking when she said they were generous.
Speaker 6: Very generous. I think I've only ever seen the red notes.
Speaker 6: Oh yes, Range, no pineapples for you, No pineapples for me.
Speaker 6: The next win it comes from Leanne money Win. I
Speaker 6: got a bigger yearly bonus from my employer, which wasn't expected.
Speaker 6: That's paid for my brand new lounge.
Speaker 2: We love to work.
Speaker 6: The next one is a loss. It comes from DD
Speaker 6: money Loss. I had to replace my car windshield, which
Speaker 6: was five hundred and fifty dollars.
Speaker 2: That's a lot of money.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a big piece of glass though, and it
Speaker 6: is a big piece of glass. But then DD wrote
Speaker 6: it wasn't as bad as I just started an emergency
Speaker 6: fund for things exactly like this, and the relief of
Speaker 6: having that there made a stressful situation really manageable.
Speaker 1: I love.
Speaker 6: The final win of today Ladies comes from Katie, and
Speaker 6: it's a really good idea money win. Last year, my
Speaker 6: partner and I were gifted a super snazzy coffee machine
Speaker 6: for our engagement party. I decided to set myself a
Speaker 6: challenge and every time I made a coffee at home,
Speaker 6: I would transfer the five dollars that I would have
Speaker 6: spent at the cafe into my brokerage account for investing.
Speaker 2: Oh smart.
Speaker 6: I just hit the one year mark of the challenge
Speaker 6: and I've crunched the numbers and there's now two hundred
Speaker 6: and five dollars in there that I've been able to
Speaker 6: save and invest, on top of what I already put
Speaker 6: aside weekly.
Speaker 2: How good is that it did you?
Speaker 6: She didn't even miss it. She had that snazzy coffee machine.
Speaker 6: Well done, Katie, but a good idea for all.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 4: Also, what kind of person gets engaged in gets a
Speaker 4: bougie coffee machine? Those things are close to two grand.
Speaker 6: A lucky person.
Speaker 2: That's a lot. That's a good present.
Speaker 4: All right, gee, as always, it has been fantastic celebrating
Speaker 4: some of your budget Direct money wins. Budget Direct winner
Speaker 4: of kan Stars Insurer of the Year Award twenty twenty two.
Speaker 4: Budget Direct Insurance Solved. All right, we're going to go
Speaker 4: to a really quick break and after that we're going
Speaker 4: to be talking about Patagonia when it comes to finance news,
Speaker 4: and we've got a good question about employment and how
Speaker 4: to discuss tricky topics with your boss.
Speaker 2: Don't go anywhere writing, guys.
Speaker 5: I want to talk about patagronew which, for people who
Speaker 5: aren't familiar, cute, little outdoorsy brand. They do little, bold,
Speaker 5: huge outdoorsy brand. They do clothes, they do hiking gear.
Speaker 5: They're very climate focused, which is important. Their founder, whose
Speaker 5: name we were playing on Google before to try and
Speaker 5: do we put.
Speaker 2: Your mic on it, standby Evon. Yeah, him, I think
Speaker 2: pretty well.
Speaker 4: Evil.
Speaker 5: We're gonna call him Ivonyon. Sorry, Sorry, I'm strange age
Speaker 5: Yvon recently announced that he's given away almost all of
Speaker 5: the company's ownerships that's patagrone out to a nonprofit which
Speaker 5: is dedicated to fighting climate change, which is freaking incredible.
Speaker 5: It's flipping amazing, like, literally, he's a billionaire and he's like,
Speaker 5: have all my company, that's all good.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to say, it's the planet over here.
Speaker 2: What are you doing? Elon Musk.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's pretty much dedicated. Excess profits from the company
Speaker 5: will now go towards fighting the environmental crisis and defending
Speaker 5: nature instead of going into the pockets of somebody or
Speaker 5: sitting in a bank account or an investment or goodness
Speaker 5: knows where. Since nineteen eighty five, the company's actually pledged
Speaker 5: one percent of its annual sale to preserve and restore
Speaker 5: the natural environment.
Speaker 4: Which is big when it comes to a business because
Speaker 4: it is hard to make profit in the best of times.
Speaker 4: But to have pledged for so long one percent then
Speaker 4: flipping around being like how jokes hab it all?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: In twenty eighteen, they actually changed their purpose statement to
Speaker 5: We're in business to save our home planet. So it's
Speaker 5: been something that's been really strongly aligned to their brand
Speaker 5: for a long time. We've spoken before about greenwashing and
Speaker 5: how brands often try to capitalize on the climate crisis
Speaker 5: and use it for their own benefit. This is such
Speaker 5: a good case of someone talking the talk and walking
Speaker 5: the walk in such an incredible way. So the company
Speaker 5: is now owned by the Patagonia Purpose Trust and the
Speaker 5: environmental nonprofit the hold Fast Collective. So the hold Fast
Speaker 5: Collective now owned ninety eight percent of the company, but
Speaker 5: they won't have any decision making authority. So firstly, really
Speaker 5: interesting to know that you can kind of divvy up
Speaker 5: and compartmentalize those things the profits here, but they're decision.
Speaker 2: Making stace here.
Speaker 4: With a business, yes, you can have shareholders in the business,
Speaker 4: like for example, I'm a shareholder in Sheese on the Money,
Speaker 4: but I'm also the director, and if I had another shareholder,
Speaker 4: I might just be like, oh, you can come into
Speaker 4: business with me, but you can't be a director, so
Speaker 4: you can't make any decisions. You just own the company,
Speaker 4: kind of like when you list a business on the
Speaker 4: ASX or on any stock exchange. Really you just get
Speaker 4: to buy in, but you don't have any rights over
Speaker 4: how the company functions. Whereas sometimes people will come in
Speaker 4: and be like, well, if I'm buying such a big piece,
Speaker 4: I want to have a say. It just really depends
Speaker 4: on I guess what you want and how you want
Speaker 4: your business to function. So obviously they've gone that way,
Speaker 4: and they still maintain that two percent share because they
Speaker 4: need to have some authority so that the business can
Speaker 4: continue to run. However, I just think it's really interesting.
Speaker 4: I think it's so cool.
Speaker 5: So do we know if this now makes them like
Speaker 5: a non for profit? No, so they're still operating as
Speaker 5: a for profit business. They're just obviously donating that ninety
Speaker 5: eight percent margin. And additionally, they're still going to donate
Speaker 5: that one percent of their annual sales to grassroots environmental
Speaker 5: nonprofits as well. So they're basically just saying take it all, like,
Speaker 5: take all of us him off the top. Obviously, they'll
Speaker 5: maintain a very small amount that will go to the
Speaker 5: family In terms of profit, they're paying their salaries all
Speaker 5: of that stuff as normal, but they're donating what I
Speaker 5: would imagine to be a lot huge amount of money.
Speaker 4: Well, the businesses worth three billion dollars and get this
Speaker 4: g real wholesome he said when he announced it, he
Speaker 4: was like, I am declaring the Earth will be the
Speaker 4: sole shareholder of my three billion dollar company, effective immediately.
Speaker 2: What a wholesome story.
Speaker 4: Though I know it happened a few weeks ago, but
Speaker 4: I keep getting DMS about it, which is why we're
Speaker 4: bringing it up. And I just think it's a really
Speaker 4: cool story, especially because I feel like there's so many
Speaker 4: negative stories around at the moment, and a lot of
Speaker 4: us are following the Twitter saga with Elon Musk, and
Speaker 4: to be honest, there's just not that many good news
Speaker 4: stories around. I think this one is just a really
Speaker 4: wholesome one that we should highlight.
Speaker 6: Especially not about billionaires. Yeah, we love to see it.
Speaker 5: If you do need some outdoorsy gear, I would suggest
Speaker 5: how to go and is the best. They have really
Speaker 5: genuinely good stuff, and I think knowing that your money
Speaker 5: is going somewhere good is just the icing on the cake.
Speaker 4: Absolute loves Patagonia like him and his mates like hiking,
Speaker 4: so they're really into it. I've never given it a
Speaker 4: second thought.
Speaker 5: Go to now though, yea now, Yvonne, Yvonne, Sorry you tried.
Speaker 2: It was worth it, you know what. I think you'll
Speaker 2: be happy with whatever.
Speaker 4: He doesn't really need the coverage A small podcast Austra Earlia.
Speaker 2: All right, let's move on, George King. What time is it?
Speaker 6: It is money dilemma time?
Speaker 2: All right, let's hear it, Hi Beert, have you got.
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Speaker 7: Hey, guys, I just wanted to know how you might
Speaker 7: approach an employer and tell them in a polite way
Speaker 7: that the tasks or roles they are asking you to
Speaker 7: do or expecting you to do, are not within your
Speaker 7: job description and they're quite frankly not paying you enough
Speaker 7: money to do those things.
Speaker 4: I guess I'll just dip out of this because we
Speaker 4: have one of the most enthusiastic employment not lawyers in
Speaker 4: the house.
Speaker 5: Just agreeen she giving you the angry eyes from the
Speaker 5: table sit down. Well, firstly, I love that she's like,
Speaker 5: I want to just politely say, girl.
Speaker 4: Your polite jess Like I like your all talk though,
Speaker 4: but every time we've ever had a conversation, you're like
Speaker 4: very very poised, very presentable, very kind, very well researched.
Speaker 2: I like to think.
Speaker 5: So I think the big thing here is firstly, good
Speaker 5: on you, Queen for recognizing that you're being taken advantage of,
Speaker 5: because I think it's important to recognize that that is
Speaker 5: exactly what's happening, like things are being loaded onto your plate,
Speaker 5: and you know, to an extent, I think there's reasonable
Speaker 5: expansion of a role or reasonable growth because you would
Speaker 5: always hope that your business is moving forward and adjusting. However,
Speaker 5: if your salary is not adjusting in line with that,
Speaker 5: or if your hours are not adjusting in line with that,
Speaker 5: that is a bread flag. It is a crimson flag,
Speaker 5: as Victoria divine. So I think it's really important to
Speaker 5: have a conversation directly because more often than not, unfortunately
Speaker 5: it's very rare for an employer to flag this with you.
Speaker 5: It's going to be you having the conversation, and I
Speaker 5: think it's about walking into that conversation prepared af.
Speaker 4: So, be prepared, be prepared, Prepare to fail, prepare to fight.
Speaker 2: Actually quite dramatic. I'm just going to check it out bye.
Speaker 5: But I would say the best place to start with
Speaker 5: something like this is tracking your hours. Now, some businesses
Speaker 5: and industries do this already. If you work in law,
Speaker 5: it's super common to track your billable hours, and you
Speaker 5: know a lot of professional services are the same. But
Speaker 5: there are apps that you can get for free that
Speaker 5: will help you track your time. You can write it
Speaker 5: in Microsoft Word, you can put it in an Excel spreadsheet,
Speaker 5: a notebook that you just keep on your desk.
Speaker 2: Don't even have to be official.
Speaker 5: No, anything that works, but you have to get yourself
Speaker 5: in that habit. I think of tracking your time and
Speaker 5: tracking how much time you're spending on certain tasks because
Speaker 5: I think it's really important that when you have these
Speaker 5: conversations you can come through with empirical data. It's one
Speaker 5: thing to say I feel like I'm being really overworked
Speaker 5: or I feel like I'm really exhausted, which is a
Speaker 5: valid thing to say, but it's much harder to kind
Speaker 5: of put a value on as opposed to saying, I
Speaker 5: am spending fifteen hours a week on something that wasn't
Speaker 5: even a part of my original role description, and that
Speaker 5: is a very different conversation to have. And from there,
Speaker 5: I guess it's about reflecting on whether do you want
Speaker 5: to hand those tasks off to somebody else? Do you
Speaker 5: want your compensation to adjust? Do you need to look
Speaker 5: at splitting your role into two roles.
Speaker 2: There are all of.
Speaker 5: These different avenues that you can take, and I think
Speaker 5: having clarity on that before you have the conversation with
Speaker 5: your employer means that you can go into the room
Speaker 5: and be really focused and say, this is what I'm doing,
Speaker 5: this is the problem, this is the outcome that I
Speaker 5: would like to see, And hopefully, if they're a good employer,
Speaker 5: they will be open to having that conversation with you,
Speaker 5: because if you are overworked or underpaid or unhappy, that's
Speaker 5: going to be a problem for them ultimately one.
Speaker 4: Hundred percent, and it impacts their productivity. And if they're
Speaker 4: trying to get too many things from you, they're going
Speaker 4: to get subparer of everything. So it's not a good
Speaker 4: idea from an employer's perspective. Like I would love to
Speaker 4: think that I'm attuned to this, but like, who knows,
Speaker 4: I might be living under a rock. I think the
Speaker 4: important thing is to approach these situations assuming that they
Speaker 4: don't know what's happening. Because if you're approaching Go Georgia King,
Speaker 4: you're taking advantage of me and doing this, this and this,
Speaker 4: it's quite accusatory. You're going to get their back up.
Speaker 4: You're not going to leave that conversation in a positive space.
Speaker 2: Whereas if you sit.
Speaker 4: Down and be like, hey, i'd really love to discuss
Speaker 4: my role, priorities and what's going on. Everything's been changing,
Speaker 4: and like I'm so here for it, but you know
Speaker 4: some things are falling to the wayside because of it.
Speaker 4: That's going to be a firm or constructive way to
Speaker 4: bring up the conversation. And in that conversation you can
Speaker 4: be quite direct, but we need to make sure that
Speaker 4: we step back from being accusatory unless your boss or
Speaker 4: manager or employer is actually taking the mickey, in which
Speaker 4: case like slaym queen. But I think it's really important
Speaker 4: to also go all right, like what's the best way
Speaker 4: to approach this to get the outcome I desire? Because
Speaker 4: the last thing you want to do is get your
Speaker 4: boss off side or not come prepared or put yourself
Speaker 4: in a position where you're not getting what you want.
Speaker 4: So I think going to the conversation and being like, look, hey,
Speaker 4: I'd love to have a conversation about what you want
Speaker 4: me to prioritize, because unfortunately we're at a point where
Speaker 4: I can't prioritize everything, So what's my number one priority?
Speaker 4: And they might actually turn around and be like, oh,
Speaker 4: your number one priority is this, and you go yes,
Speaker 4: But that's not how I'm feeling. The team is feeling
Speaker 4: like my priority when it comes to working every day
Speaker 4: seems to be this because that's what's being put on
Speaker 4: my plate the most that seems to be falling to
Speaker 4: the wayside. How can we work towards making this my
Speaker 4: priority again? And they are going to be fun or
Speaker 4: receptive because you're showing quite a lot of initiative in
Speaker 4: that conversation. So I think from my perspective that's where
Speaker 4: I would come from. But gee, how would you approach
Speaker 4: this situation?
Speaker 3: Well, what I.
Speaker 6: Wanted to ask before I tell you how I approach it,
Speaker 6: which is probably the same way that Jess said. Gather
Speaker 6: your evidence, know what you want to say, be direct,
Speaker 6: be polite, go about it that way. But how long
Speaker 6: do you guys think is appropriate before you should bring
Speaker 6: up the conversation with your boss? So if someone's like, George,
Speaker 6: I know it's not in your job description, but Janine's
Speaker 6: just left. We need someone to write this extra copy
Speaker 6: that's usually outside of the realm of what I'm doing,
Speaker 6: but they just need me to pick up the slack
Speaker 6: a little bit for a few weeks whatever it may be.
Speaker 2: Yea, how do you know.
Speaker 6: If that then continues onto like months or is it just.
Speaker 4: Kind of divisive? I don't know what Jess is going
Speaker 4: to say, which is why I'm going first, Because I
Speaker 4: just went first, I'd be like, yeah, totally same like
Speaker 4: and not give my opinion. I'm finding that there's a
Speaker 4: lot of TikTok content in the moment about this, and
Speaker 4: it's about being really aggressive with your employer and really
Speaker 4: pushing back and being like, no, if Jeanine's leaving, you
Speaker 4: need to pay me for Jeanine's role. And I just
Speaker 4: I feel like there's some kind of balance when it
Speaker 4: comes to stuff like that, like, yeah, cool, it's not
Speaker 4: fair to expect you to go above and beyond, to
Speaker 4: work above and beyond your actual capacity for a sustained
Speaker 4: period of time. But I also think that if I'm like, oh, gee,
Speaker 4: could you just write this Jeanine's way, yeah, no worries
Speaker 4: like there is usually in an employment contract some level
Speaker 4: of flexibility, Like in every employment contract I've got, it's
Speaker 4: obviously got your role description and then it says and
Speaker 4: any other task deemed appropriate by the director, which means,
Speaker 4: if I tell you to do it, can you please
Speaker 4: give me a hand? And in a small business that
Speaker 4: is really important because it's kind of like, well, I
Speaker 4: don't have all hands on deck. And I know that
Speaker 4: people who work for small businesses are usually a bit
Speaker 4: different to people who really want to work in corporate
Speaker 4: and that's fine, you do what feels right to you.
Speaker 4: But I think if you feel like you're having the
Speaker 4: mickey taken out of you, I would be questioning it
Speaker 4: or even going, hey, no worries, I can take Janine's work.
Speaker 4: What would you like me to push off my plate
Speaker 4: so that I can fit that on? So it might
Speaker 4: not be a no, I'm not doing it. It might
Speaker 4: be a no, worries, Jill, I will do that, But
Speaker 4: that will mean that something else needs to be yeeded.
Speaker 2: What is it going to be?
Speaker 4: And then they might go, oh, well George, I can't
Speaker 4: and you go, well, I just don't have capacity.
Speaker 2: Is that okay?
Speaker 4: And I think it's an ongoing conversation, But also I
Speaker 4: think you need to just use your initiative, like if
Speaker 4: you're like, yeah, no, worries. But also if I knew
Speaker 4: that they weren't planning on replacing Jeanine and they're like, oh,
Speaker 4: just take it for a few weeks, and you're loky,
Speaker 4: like this isn't gonna be a few weeks. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: would be having a bigger conversation, Jess. Make me look
Speaker 4: like a bad perpose, No, not all.
Speaker 5: I think the soft touch that you're saying about, like
Speaker 5: having an initial gentle conversation is super relevant. The other
Speaker 5: thing that I would flag for our listener is if
Speaker 5: you are going into bat for this big convo, I
Speaker 5: would say, set up a time specifically to do it.
Speaker 5: Don't be having this conversation when you're going to run
Speaker 5: an errand like this is a tea room or something. Yeah,
Speaker 5: this is a specific, dedicated conversation. I think for me,
Speaker 5: you can't really put a timeframe on it because there's
Speaker 5: a big difference, as you said ved between something has
Speaker 5: changed and we need to be reactive and that does
Speaker 5: require a level of flexibility as opposed to something is
Speaker 5: becoming an ongoing addition to your role. Yeah, and that
Speaker 5: when it's problematic for me. I would say personally, anything
Speaker 5: above and beyond kind of four to six weeks. I
Speaker 5: think that's when you're kind of seeing how it. Four
Speaker 5: to six weeks, in my mind is generally enough time
Speaker 5: that if something has happened, I think that's a reasonable
Speaker 5: amount of time for your management or your company, or
Speaker 5: whatever the case may be, to have had the problem
Speaker 5: come to them, sit with it for a little bit,
Speaker 5: and work towards a resolution. And at the very least
Speaker 5: you would hope that a conversation had been had around
Speaker 5: we know Janine's left, We've just started the hiring process,
Speaker 5: so just so you know, we should have someone in
Speaker 5: and then two or three weeks, in which case I go, okay,
Speaker 5: stick it out. If you can have those conversations around
Speaker 5: what can I drop from my workload to prioritize other things.
Speaker 5: If it's been four to six weeks and things have
Speaker 5: just been added and added and then not addressed, and
Speaker 5: it's been like, oh, well you'll fine, you're coping.
Speaker 4: You're coping, why would we get Janine back? Yeah, I
Speaker 4: don't need to fill a role. Look out, well, gee's doing.
Speaker 5: That's when I would be looking at booking in a conversation,
Speaker 5: having a soft touch point first and saying, hey, like
Speaker 5: I'm feeling really overwhelmed, or I really think it's important
Speaker 5: that we split this back out because it's a completely
Speaker 5: different department. I'm you know, a content person and I'm
Speaker 5: doing law or like probably not.
Speaker 2: Like you've got something.
Speaker 4: This is what happens when you put just under pressure
Speaker 4: just like spits out stuff that makes no sense to it.
Speaker 5: I'm doing content and I'm doing accounting.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Like something that's outside of your realm of work, like
Speaker 5: having that initial conversation and then if you're really not
Speaker 5: seeing change, if you're really feeling the pressure booking in
Speaker 5: a meeting, sitting down and having that conversation I think
Speaker 5: is important.
Speaker 2: Perfect. Oh, this just polished it off. But I don't
Speaker 2: think I have anything to add to that.
Speaker 6: I certainly don't.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, well, yes, we're done with this episode.
Speaker 5: There.
Speaker 7: Perfect.
Speaker 2: I'm going to get married tomorrow, so I'm ready to go.
Speaker 6: Yay, congratulations comes feeling nervous.
Speaker 2: Not yet, not yet, not yet. I'm very excited, very
Speaker 2: very excited.
Speaker 4: Good, that's all I've got. No, No, I'm really excited, and
Speaker 4: I think it'll be really fun. I just you know,
Speaker 4: last minute stressing. Obviously, this is being recorded a couple
Speaker 4: of days before, so maybe like by the time Thursday
Speaker 4: Friday actually comes, I'm going to be stressed out of
Speaker 4: my brain. But I'm very lucky, and I actually I'm
Speaker 4: excited to get married, guys, But I'm also really excited
Speaker 4: to create wedding content because I wanted to wait until
Speaker 4: after the wedding so I could be like, oh, well,
Speaker 4: these were my budgets that I blew or these are
Speaker 4: the budgets that didn't work, because it's silly for me
Speaker 4: to share budgeting content prior, because that's all like nice
Speaker 4: to have, right, And I've already blown a few budgets,
Speaker 4: and I've already been really frustrated by the process. So like,
Speaker 4: let's make this real content, not aspirational content, because one
Speaker 4: thing I have learned very quickly is even me being Victoria,
Speaker 4: she's on the money, who you would expect to be
Speaker 4: able to stick to a budget, I wasn't able to.
Speaker 4: It got way too emotional and there were just like
Speaker 4: too many things that Steve wanted and then I wanted,
Speaker 4: and then coming to a compromise, like it just blew
Speaker 4: out in certain areas which we've come to terms with.
Speaker 4: But I just didn't expect it. I did genuinely expect
Speaker 4: more for.
Speaker 2: Myself when it game to budget as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so MITTI shaded, got my tail between my legs.
Speaker 4: But you know what, Hopefully I will be on the
Speaker 4: next episode saying it was the best day of my
Speaker 4: thie life.
Speaker 6: You will, my dearl, It'll be fantastic. See you after
Speaker 6: the word in Bye Bye you.
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