WEBVTT - We chat with Bev Brock...plus the new Prado and 70 Series! 0:00:05.840 --> 0:00:07.920 I wonder if we would have been friends in primary 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:11.640 really definitely not. I mean, there would have been the 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:16.239 language buried, you know, I reckon. It would have been 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:19.040 like you'd come home and your mom would be all like, 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:22.240 little pav how is your play date with that Australian 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:25.759 boy Gordon? And you feel like, mamay do you have 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:30.680 an Asian accent? But you would have just been like mama. 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:36.120 It was terrible. He I wanted to watch the Scooby Doo. 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:40.680 I wanted to watch the dog who solves mysteries and clothes, 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:43.800 but he wanted to me to watch some kangaroo called Skippy. 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:49.080 Since one of my French we we Papa. 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:53.920 Did they feed you at all, little Pablo? They gave 0:00:53.920 --> 0:01:00.360 me something called savory shapes? What's not Cavanagh, I'll see 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:03.880 your bosh. No, no, Mama, you're not playing with that. 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:10.000 Good then again, oh yeah, that would have been fun. Yeah, 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:13.119 it would have been a bit of a nerd. They 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:20.680 called me tlm TLM ladies man. You were seven? 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:24.240 Yeah, fighting him off with a. 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:30.360 Stick, Yeah right, he seagulls fighting over a chip. I 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:33.319 got to spend some more time Toyota ask me if 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:37.560 I wanted the gr Coroller again. Oh again, Yeah, look 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:40.679 at you, and yes I will I'll have that for 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:45.560 another thanks. Oh god, that's a good car. It's really good. Yeah, 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:48.440 it's like, when you think about it, eighty thousand dollars 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:51.640 a small car like that, it's a lot of money. Yeah, 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:53.880 it's a lot of money. But people write it off 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:59.040 as grown for a Corolla. Thanks, it's not a Corolla, 0:01:59.200 --> 0:01:59.920 it really isn't. 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:02.080 Yeah. But would you spend eighty grand on it? 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:02.480 Yes? 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:02.880 Really? 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:05.480 Yeah, because I think of it, because think about it. Yeah. Well, 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:10.720 because when you think about it, you're spending eighty grand 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:15.560 on a really well engineered machine. It's an investment. It's 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:18.480 a proper race car. Like it's a proper, proper track car. 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:20.680 And the way they've set it up, it's not a 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:23.880 car that was built in the normal Toyota factory with 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:26.400 all the commoners cars. 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:27.320 The land cruisers. 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:27.840 Yeah. 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:31.079 Actually, just very quickly on race cars for the road. 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:33.640 You know, Hyundai, if you buy an end car, they 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:35.519 give you a track warranty, so if you take it 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:37.520 to the track and it breaks, they cover the warranty. 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:39.120 And a lot of other brands that would be helpful 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:40.800 for me, that include my neck. 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:43.639 I just crashed it into a wall. I think it's 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:45.399 still under warranty. Cough up. 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:50.560 Did you see at Goodwood they had the new Iron 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:54.560 five Inn, they had the RN twenty two E, they 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:57.560 had the Envision seventy four. Yes, except the R in 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:00.320 twenty two. We had a small excursion off the track. 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:03.760 It was hammering along and it got to the corner 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:07.320 where pretty much everyone crashes. That just has no experience 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:12.600 at the Goodwood Hill climb and he's just just overcooked 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:15.320 the turn in and it's just understeered off the road 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:16.160 into the hay bales. 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:17.760 He totally destroyed the car. 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:20.519 That would have been a fun conversation. 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:23.080 Do you reckon? That's good publicity or bad publicity? 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:25.959 So everyone shared it because it was filmed like five 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:28.880 different angles, and he like buried it into the hay 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:31.919 bales and the car was pretty much destroyed. Drigon, that's 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:34.040 good publicity or bad because if you didn't know about 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:36.320 the car previously, you do now. 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:38.160 But is that a bad way to show it? 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:41.280 Perhaps? Also too, it's not exactly the car's fault, it's 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:45.280 human ewa, yeah, so it's not exactly bad publicity. I 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:47.840 would like write the car off. Although I did find 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:50.280 the No he did that? Yeah, well, you know, I 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:54.400 did find the Ionic five and kind of underwhelming. 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:58.400 Well, I think that the Goodwood is it's a hard 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:01.160 place to launch a car because you can't really do 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:03.600 anything with it. You drive it up the hill, everything 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:06.680 looks slow. I've been there before, and there's so much 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:09.200 going on that unless your car is like a top 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:11.320 fuel drag, so you're not going to hear it and 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:14.400 you don't see it for very long, so it's not 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:16.880 an exciting place to launch it. Actually, one of the 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:19.320 Ionic five ends they had there had a drift stick, 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:21.720 so they basically set it into real drive mode and 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:23.560 were able to use a drift stick to then do 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:26.560 drifting and stuff. But even then, that's now become so 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:29.200 mainstream that it doesn't really set your vehicle apart from others. 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:31.800 So yeah, and it's just this little party trick that 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:34.159 most evs are kind of doing with a bit of power. 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:35.359 So I don't know. 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:37.919 I just found it like that baby blue that they 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:44.360 launched it in. Although that Vision seventy four is a 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:46.400 fucking machine. 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:48.160 Yep. I'm glad they didn't crash that. 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:51.080 Given us hydrogen, Yes, that would if. 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:55.200 Goodwood has been canceled forever, it is a tough place 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:55.880 to launch your car. 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:56.280 You're right. 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:59.640 I mean when you get cars like the Porsche bay 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:03.040 sing A dropping stuff there. Yeah, geez those cars. 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:05.000 Yeah, But I mean if you have a look at 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:07.359 stuff like Lambo, I mean they drive the car up 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:10.520 the hill, but now that they're all so quiet, it's like, 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:13.160 what do you And they often will just put an 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:14.800 influencer in it to drive it up. And that's what 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:17.680 actually installed a chicine just before that turned out for 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:21.480 the influencer sessions. Because so many people were crashing, they 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:23.640 set up a chicaine so everyone had to slow down 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:27.719 for there unless you were an actual race driver. Yeah, 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:30.400 it's an interesting event and I'm glad that it still 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:32.560 happens because it is an unreal event. If you ever 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:34.840 get the chance to go to Goodwood, it is so 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:38.400 much fun. That is bucket lest The car park is amazing, 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:40.400 Like the car park where you park to walk into 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:43.440 the event is incredible. The amount of just awesome cars 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:46.320 that are parked up on grass is cool. Except this 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:49.159 year it was raining and when I went last time 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:51.200 it had rained on the last day and the car 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:54.200 park ends up becoming like this mud bath. And you 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:57.040 can imagine like some of these low supercars trying. 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:59.240 To trying to get out of the mud on Semis. 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:01.719 Wouldn't you wouldn't you feel weird just rocking up to 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:03.720 bloody Goodwood in his Auzuki Swift. 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:06.760 Yeah, fuck out the back. 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:09.919 Hate The new Land Cruise, Prido and seventy series dropped 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:10.280 this week. 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:12.000 Yeah what do you think, Well, let's start with the 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:15.880 seventy series. I think that looks totally stupid. They've gone 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:18.360 to like Ali Express and gone, oh, can you just 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:22.080 go to like the JDM department and just find the 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:25.520 weirdest ricey looking headlights you can find and just put 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:26.360 it on the front for us. 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:30.159 Colin, Yeah, we got some of those those fucking headlights 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:34.000 we born from Beijing. Check a couple of those in 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:38.680 the seventy series. Mate, Yeah, well yeah fuck them, fuck them, 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:39.880 we'll flog them off. 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:40.960 I'll about it. 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:43.480 But yeah, they've got those lights. 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:46.120 And then they've put a four cylinder diesel in it, 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:48.960 which I don't think anyone will buy a Well, it's 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:50.120 also made it to an auto. 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:52.520 It's like, no one driving that one's an auto. 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:57.039 So thankfully the V is still available, but I just reckon, 0:06:57.080 --> 0:06:58.720 they've just ruined the design of this thing. 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:01.440 The current one looks great. 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:03.400 Well that's because it hasn't really moved. 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:06.159 Much exactly, So why change it? And why make it 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:09.920 look like that? It just looks so like just hipster, 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:11.160 and you. 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:14.440 Don't like the like a contemporary look and an old 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:16.680 fashioned car look a tribute if you like, if you're 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:18.200 going to do retro look if yeah. 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:19.560 If you're going to do the contemporary look, make the 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:21.800 whole thing modern, which they haven't done. While I'm on 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:22.480 a rant here. 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:24.360 For what it's worth, I actually quite liked it. I 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:24.960 didn't mind it. 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:27.320 I mean, well, it's the same with like this is 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:29.080 why we wouldn't be friends growing up. 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:31.600 Even the same with the with the Ford Bronco, like 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:33.640 the Heritage edition now, but that looks good. 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:35.520 The Bronco actually looks good. 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:38.440 So what's the problem with the Tweeter Because they're doing 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:39.400 the same sort of stuff. 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:42.360 But the seventy series is just meant to be old. 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:45.040 And just if that's the case, why even bring it back? 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:47.320 Well exactly, I don't know why they've changed it, And 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:49.800 inside the cabin they've even just made it even more 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:52.640 annoying for the infotainment system. They've they've put a new 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:55.160 steering wheel on it, which has steering controls for volume 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:57.800 and stuff, but the actual infotainment unit they've removed the knob. 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:00.600 So if you want to make an each to that, 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:02.760 you don't. You just have two buttons to press and 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:05.320 then the rest is a touchscreen. Yeah, I hate that, 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:06.800 don't want that. The old one just had an ob 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:09.680 that you could turn for volume up and down. So yeah, 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:11.400 I don't know. I think they've kind of ruined the 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:13.560 design and putting a full cylinder in it. I just 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:15.280 don't know who's going to buy one with a full cylinder. 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:17.040 The whole purpose of that car was that it's a 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:18.559 V eight diesel that you can still buy. 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:20.400 You wanted it with a full cylinder, you also go. 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:24.360 Buy Highlux Hilex is like forty grand cheaper and available 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:24.960 straight away. 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:26.320 It's got the same engine. 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:30.880 Why would you not just buy that the Prato However, Yes, 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:33.640 that looks great now that I agree with. 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:36.320 I think that looks sensational. Yeah, and they did exactly 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:39.960 what to does. They've made everything great and then they've 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:43.640 gone hold on, hold on, we're just gonna just totally 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:46.480 screw this up, and they've gone and put the high 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:50.080 lux diesel in it. It's like, would you not look 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:52.760 at what's happening in that segment with stuff like Everest 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:54.680 and go, all right, let's go get a V six diesel. 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:57.760 That's true, or in the States they're fitting it with 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:01.080 the hybrid out of the Lexus Lexis, which is turbo 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:05.040 four hybrid. Now the reason they can't or won't fit 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:07.840 a V six to it is that vehicle now, to 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:11.560 amortize cost, shares a platform with the three hundred series, 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:14.680 so they're on the same wheelbase. The Prito was slightly 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:17.320 shorter just due to overhangs. But they can't go put 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:20.120 a V six diesel because what the reason would you 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:22.319 then have to go spend an extra forty grand on 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:24.600 a three hundred series if you could just get a 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:26.959 Prato with the same engine or a detuned version of 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.240 that engine. So I think they've kind of backed themselves 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:31.960 into a corner here because that is going to weigh 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:34.480 more than the current Prito, and the current Prito feels 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:37.360 fairly underdone with five hundred yit metas of talk, So 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:40.720 I don't know what their logic is with this, and 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:42.439 people will buy it. 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:45.199 Ultimately because it's a Toyota. Yeah, and it looks expensive. 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:46.560 It'll be more expensive. 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:49.160 Yeah, I think they'll sell a bunch of them, no doubt. 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:50.160 I think they will as well. 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:52.840 I just think that the thing that would stop me 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:54.840 from buying one is just the drive train. It's like, 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:57.040 no one wants a four cylinder diesel in a car 0:09:57.160 --> 0:09:57.440 like that. 0:09:58.080 --> 0:09:59.880 Tell you what I want, and I think I could 0:09:59.880 --> 0:10:03.520 be possibly in the minority here the new Santa Fe. 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:06.320 I like it. I like it. 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:08.000 You would, yeah, just. 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:10.240 You know, I like it. I mean, look, not as 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:12.679 much as Soprato, but I don't think they did a 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:13.439 crap job at all. 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:14.679 Did you see the back of it? 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:18.120 Yeah, it's kind of like the people who did the 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:21.280 front just paid no attention to the people who did 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:21.600 the back. 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:22.120 Yeah. 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:24.360 Then the wall just got lifted up and they're like, oh, 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:27.360 would you guys do the back? Oh yeah, that's heaps 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:31.760 different from what we did. Yeah. Oh, you dropped his 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:36.439 ass a little bit there. Okay, all right, okay, can 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:40.160 I help myself to the crack table as Well's I 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:42.640 like it. I like the ridiculous copper and the black 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:43.880 ribs I think it's fun. 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:47.360 Well, I actually saw on crean an autoblog they published 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:50.360 an image of a third row window that they've installed 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:52.640 in them. But it's like a vertical window. I can't 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:54.400 really make sense of it, and I don't know if 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:56.160 it'll be an option or not, but it looks really 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:58.000 interesting a vertical window. 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:02.960 Yeah it's really the re quarter panels or yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:05.080 It's really strange. I really can't make sense of it. 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:06.480 So I think it's like a I don't know if 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:08.920 it opens or whether it's just a vision sort of thing, 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:11.800 but yeah, it's It looks very fascinating to me. 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:14.480 But I reckon the red definitely needed some extra work. 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:16.480 I think. I think what's going on with that requarter 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:20.240 panel is that the windows the same color as like 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:22.160 the paint work, like the black, So I think it's 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:23.000 hidden quite well. 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:25.160 Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I think it's color dependent. 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:27.520 I think it'll be interesting to see. 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:31.559 Racist you've always been like this, always. 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:33.240 Ever since primary. 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:40.720 She's hot, not more color. I'm a like a shade 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:41.760 of Croatian. 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:48.640 But no, I think it's it's Yeah, everything looks great 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:49.200 except the rear. 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:51.560 Do you know what I do, Like, is the new 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:54.920 software update that they've put in it actually looks nice. 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:59.120 Yeah, look, I think they're improving. We just drove the 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:02.440 new Kona recently and that had a sort of different. 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:03.960 Was that the bright Green made? 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:07.559 Yeah, the tennis ball is called, But yeah, I think 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:10.000 they're doing better with her infotament system. The thing I 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:12.280 still don't understand though, is how do you have wireless 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:14.160 Apple Car play on a base model but not on 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:14.839 the top spick. 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:17.440 Yeah, that still makes very little sense to me. 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:21.080 Yeah it is. There's obviously some sort of a there's 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:22.760 something we don't know in terms of like, I don't 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:24.880 know a court case or funny for us not to 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:27.960 know about a courtness, but there's got to be something 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:30.360 going on there. I can't work out what it would be. 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:30.760 Yep. 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:33.959 My super outback is wireless. 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:38.000 Has it arrived? Nope? 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:41.880 No, it's still laughing floating in the ocean, somewhere hopefully 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:42.720 above the ocean. 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:45.760 Your career, Yeah, oh yeah. 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:48.240 I'm very much out there. Do you know what's exciting? 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:49.720 Who's coming in today? 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:50.600 Trevalon? 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:54.520 Hell No, that's a shame, not really but not really. No, 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:57.840 do you know what it's sorry doing on the weekend 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:01.000 he was played with his new drone. He's like, flakes, 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:03.280 guys for this great drone I got. I think it's 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:05.720 the best drone ever. And he took it out to 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:08.920 see to fucking look at the boat that's got his 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:13.880 little Koupra on it, like, oh my Coopra boards on 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:14.400 that boat. 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:15.440 They shoot it down. 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:20.360 Yeah, totally. He actually attached a little gun and then 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:23.199 he just like he could, he found the nearest rainbow 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:29.520 Warrior and just tried to shoot at it, saving the environment. 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:35.520 Not on my watch. And yes, I just did finger guns. 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:39.880 I just did Trevor along doing finger guns. But yeah, no, 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:43.160 not Trevorlong. We have We've got Bev Brock coming in. 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:44.400 Ah, very cool. 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:50.640 Let's just get into it. Yeah, Bev Brock's looking at 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:52.720 us like what she got herself into. 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:56.840 Let me tell you years ago, we did Peter when 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:59.080 Peter was still alive. We did a talk on the 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:05.240 sports what was it? And they hadn't given us. They 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:09.400 wanted the pair of us here, and they started off 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:12.040 and it was fine, and then they got into asking 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:17.880 Peter about Tantric six and and he's just fro because 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:21.200 he's was very private person. Believe it. Or not as 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:25.040 anything issue of personal stuff. He just and he's looked 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:27.880 at me. He's gone bright red. I'm thinking, we've got 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:32.440 to rescue this call bugger. So the whole tone of 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:36.160 the interview session became quite hilarious. 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:43.000 I love anyway, tantric sex. Let's know when, more like when, 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:47.320 more like Arndeau's brush with fame. So a little pavle 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:48.960 over here, and he's going to play the part of 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:51.800 arn Doux. And by the end of this actually sketch 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:54.320 a picture which is more like a stick figure. I 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:56.440 don't know why he puts a willy on it every time. 0:14:57.000 --> 0:15:01.880 So weird, so immature. I would we probably should start, 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:05.680 I guess from the beginning, because where you sort of 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:09.760 grew up was w a yes, and it was an 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:12.120 interesting time because it was nineteen forty seven, the war. 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:16.120 I guess it just wrapped up. And you're a small 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:19.000 town out of per no town, no. 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:20.840 Town, no town, Oh my goodness, out in the middle 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:27.120 of nowhere. There was if we needed, if mum and 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:30.080 dad needed, they hooked up the horse and cart and 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:32.360 when you know, over the dirt road to the nearest 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:37.040 railway siding, and there was a little like a corner 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:40.360 store there and they could you know, we got you'd 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:43.720 get a bag like what these days would be a 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:47.400 fifty kilo bag of sugar and won aflower and everything else. 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:50.800 You were self sufficient. So horse and cart until I 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:54.960 was probably seven. Then a four D a Model ford A. 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:57.680 There were seven kids, and so no seat belts, no 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:01.000 baby seats, no nothing, no dirt roads. Four day and 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:06.320 then we got wow an FX hold them but the. 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:07.680 Four for seven kids. 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:14.280 So the four day Dad painted British racing green with 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:17.520 a fly spray. 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:17.760 It was. 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:20.480 They had a cylinder and a pump thing filled it 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:23.160 up with paint and he painted unbelievable the car with 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:26.080 the fly spray. I mean, it's a different era. 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:27.480 Yeah. I was going to say, if you look at 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:29.400 that today and you said to a kid that you 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:31.160 would have a horse and a car and a car 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:33.560 to share between seven, they'd be like, oh, now where's 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:34.240 my iPad? 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:37.240 Yeah, going to Sovereign Hill, let's see it. 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:39.040 That's just crazy, isn't it. Yeah. 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:42.360 So immediately following the war, there was no building materials around, 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:46.360 so it was an asbestos house. So the external walls 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:48.640 were there and the inside the house, the frame was 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:51.120 but the only room inside the house that had a 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:54.080 solid wall was mom and Dad's bedroom, which enabled them 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:54.920 to produce eight kids. 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:58.200 I was going to say that that explains all the siblings. 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:00.240 Did You did come from quite a big family. Yeah. 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:01.960 Back then there was nothing to stop you. There was 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:05.600 no pills, there was no TV. It was just the 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:06.239 way it was. 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:06.640 Yeah. 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:09.679 So what was your childhood like? Schooling and stuff like that. 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:11.679 It was quite humble, quite simple. 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:16.040 One teacher school they needed the local district was the 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:18.639 school was in the church and they had to have 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:22.119 twelve kids to keep the church the school open. So 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:25.280 the year I was a year younger than was born 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:27.320 in January, so I was twelve months younger than I 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:28.879 should have been to start school, but I was the 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:32.359 nearest in age, so they scoured the district. They asked 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:34.400 if I could start school year early, which I did. 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:37.040 I loved and that meant the school could stay open. 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:41.800 So went to school bear footage, you know. Had The 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:45.960 only books we had were school readers. Occasionally you were 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:47.359 allowed if you were good, you were allowed to take 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:50.680 a reader home. No music. Mom and Dad had to 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:53.919 widen up grammar phone with two records, golden wedding and 0:17:53.960 --> 0:18:02.919 mandolin boogie. That was the only music. So it was idyllic. 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:07.440 No drugs, no alcohol, no pedophiles. You know, you could 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:09.159 just go outside and play when the sun come up, 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:11.560 and come in at night when you wanted to be fed. 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:17.000 So it was simple, idyllic. I wouldn't have you know, 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:19.240 if I look back over it all now, wouldn't change 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:19.480 a thing. 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:23.240 Really, your life has become complicated, hasn't it. Australia is 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:24.520 a very different place now. 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:28.880 Completely and absolutely totally different. So some years ago, while 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:31.879 Peter was still alive, we we're in West Ustratia and 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:34.439 I took him and the kids up to have a 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:36.680 look at the old place. And what seemed to be 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:39.560 a humong assistance to us as kids because we'd have 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:43.480 to walk and Dad were very clever. Come Sunday morning, 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:46.800 us kids that were old enough would walk into Sunday 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:49.199 school and that would take a couple of hours to 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:51.639 walk each way. So a couple of hours to walk 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:54.520 Sunday school, a couple of hours to walk home, time 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:56.880 for mom and dad to produce another crop spin. 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:03.000 It's always something about parents on a Sunday is My 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:05.879 parents always said don't open the door. We're watching the news. 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:08.560 I was like, why does Peter hitchint it sound like 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:15.000 he's moving furniture? Yeah? And what sort of kid were 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:17.560 you were you? Did you sort of gravitate to the 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:20.280 books or sports or both? 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:23.159 Was I was somewhat of a difference in our family 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:26.960 have seven kids, and I was one born after the war. 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:29.920 I had two born before and then they came very 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:34.639 rapidly after me. But I loved school. It got me 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:39.040 away from my brothers. Let me tell you. It was 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:42.640 very much a gender based communities at that time. So 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:49.080 Christmas at Sunday School, the prize for past the parcels 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:52.600 was considered that a girl couldn't pass the parcel quick 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:54.640 enough to get the price. So it was a boys car, 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:58.840 a little toy car, which I won. And my brothers 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:01.200 didn't have We didn't have talk so that we know 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:03.880 where you had nothing, So obviously I had to give 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:07.440 them the car. The next year they learned their lesson. 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:11.720 They had a doll and I won the doll. So 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:14.679 I got the doll home and three days later. You know, 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:17.080 I wasn't particularly enamored by the doll because I'd never 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:20.000 seen dolls. I was wondering where the doll's gone, and 0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:25.159 one of the brothers said, up the wood heap. So 0:20:25.240 --> 0:20:26.879 went up there, and they'd cut its head off with 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:27.359 the exit. 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:32.840 My god, oh my god, they didn't. Yeah, that's last 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:34.560 time you win anything around here. 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:40.080 So I was even though they were, you know, my 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:43.440 one brother thirteen months anger, another one fifteen months younger, 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:47.200 and so it went like that. I really never they were. 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:49.280 We were very different. They hated school. I loved it. 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:51.800 I wouldn't miss school for anything. They pleaded with mum, 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:55.480 dealin and be home. So for me, I was I 0:20:55.520 --> 0:21:02.159 loved learning, I loved painting. I love community, sport, you 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:05.520 name it. I played at hockey, basketball, netball, you know, 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:08.160 all of that. Athletics. I had surely stripped and trained 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:11.160 me for a little while in athletics, but nobody ever 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:14.760 said to me I was always top mcclass and that 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:16.960 sort of stuff. Not that we thought anything of it, 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:20.560 but nobody ever said to me that girls don't do that. 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:23.359 Girls don't do it. It was a time when girls 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:30.960 did commercial so they became you know, secretaries, worked in 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:36.480 the bank or teachers, you know, other than that. And 0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:41.119 at that stage, if you got married, you couldn't teach it. 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:46.840 It's a female. Anyhow, it was a different I taught 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:49.920 started teaching in a country town in Weststralia called Beverly. 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:53.480 You're the mayor, Yeah, absolutely so. 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:58.719 The quite a reasonable indigenous community there that lived in 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:03.760 a reserve. So you know, I got to have that experience, 0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:07.919 which was good. I was a science teacher. Nobody ever 0:22:07.960 --> 0:22:11.679 said to me that women don't do teach science. Nobody 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:13.359 ever said to me that women don't do anything. I 0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:17.199 was never discouraged, but I was never encouraged. Had I 0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:18.840 not got a scholarship, I couldn't. I was the only 0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:21.639 one in our family to finish school. But had I 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:25.960 not got a scholarship, I couldn't have happened. So yeah, 0:22:26.000 --> 0:22:30.720 a fantastic, simple, uncomplicated life that just breezed through. 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:34.640 When did you go from there to the big smoke smaker. 0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:39.879 Well, I taught because I'd got a scholarship and they 0:22:39.920 --> 0:22:42.119 needed teachers. Then you had to agree. If you accepted 0:22:42.119 --> 0:22:45.240 the scholarship, you had to teach for three years. So 0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:48.719 in those three years I taught in a number of 0:22:49.359 --> 0:22:56.399 country schools, country high schools. I met. I met this 0:22:57.000 --> 0:22:59.840 Robert True Redford look alike and Phil Madly and that, 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:06.240 and eloped from West Australia to Sydney. My mum wanted 0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:08.840 me to have the wedding in the big cathoed because 0:23:08.880 --> 0:23:11.200 I was the one, the only one to finished school. 0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:14.439 I was the one that, you know, Mum could glow about. 0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:18.600 So it was it meant Mum was one of seven 0:23:18.720 --> 0:23:20.480 children and they all had seven kids, and I was 0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:22.000 going to have to pay for this wedding that was 0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:25.399 going to be a squillion rellos that I didn't know 0:23:27.040 --> 0:23:29.320 the town by the sound of it, So I said 0:23:29.400 --> 0:23:31.720 Mum and Dad in the backyard a couple of friends. 0:23:31.800 --> 0:23:34.879 Mum freak took to a bed Yama's got the vapors darling. 0:23:35.040 --> 0:23:38.520 So I eloped and ended up in Sydney. 0:23:39.320 --> 0:23:40.680 And when did you live in Sydney? 0:23:41.480 --> 0:23:44.960 Well, the guy I married had come from there originally, 0:23:45.160 --> 0:23:49.200 so his family was still in Sydney. Went back there, 0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:54.800 married in a registry office and taught in a boys 0:23:54.880 --> 0:23:58.880 high school in Sydney for seven years. But my then 0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:02.240 husband's best it was Peter Mechanic. So Peter is at 0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:05.840 the beginning of his career, had no money. So when 0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:07.760 they came to race in Sydney. They came and stayed 0:24:07.760 --> 0:24:10.760 with us, so free accommodation, free meals I cooked. My 0:24:10.840 --> 0:24:13.280 then husband was a mechanic. We had a service station, 0:24:14.119 --> 0:24:18.560 so he helped on the racetrack. So it started by 0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:21.639 going along, as you know, the general dog's body to 0:24:21.680 --> 0:24:25.680 do all the timing, cleaning, keep the girls away when 0:24:26.240 --> 0:24:28.560 it was time to focus on the races, sor ry bevo, 0:24:29.000 --> 0:24:31.000 it's time. Just move them out of the way, please, 0:24:31.280 --> 0:24:36.119 So I knew what I was getting into when cars, 0:24:38.240 --> 0:24:40.760 Let's put it this way. The first car I bought, 0:24:41.720 --> 0:24:46.120 God was a Courtina, and it was immaculate, little Courtina. 0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:49.199 But I find out after I've bought it that it 0:24:49.280 --> 0:24:51.000 is a lemon, and it's got a mind of its own, 0:24:51.000 --> 0:24:53.640 and it does what it wants when it wants, whether 0:24:53.680 --> 0:24:57.360 you like it or not. So I had a mishap 0:24:57.680 --> 0:24:59.760 and got it fixed and would lend that car to 0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:02.359 anybody who wanted to borrow. So I didn't drive it 0:25:02.440 --> 0:25:07.840 very much. When I went to Sydney and I needed 0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:12.320 a car of my own, I bought a little dats 0:25:12.320 --> 0:25:13.200 In one twenty. 0:25:13.080 --> 0:25:15.960 Y but beautiful. That's a great car. 0:25:16.240 --> 0:25:21.160 Fantastic, except back then women couldn't sign a contract. Are 0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:25.159 you serious? Absolutely? So the dealer, I said, you'll have 0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:28.120 to bring your husband in. Oh my god, and signed 0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:30.440 the contract and I said, I beg your pardon. I said, 0:25:30.560 --> 0:25:32.560 I have a regular job. I go day by day, 0:25:32.600 --> 0:25:35.320 I go everything. I get a paycheck. He can go 0:25:35.359 --> 0:25:37.240 out for the night, and said he'll be home early. 0:25:37.280 --> 0:25:38.760 I might not seem for two months. Do you want 0:25:38.840 --> 0:25:41.399 him to come in and sign the contract? And he 0:25:41.440 --> 0:25:44.199 looked at me and he said, well, we reconsider. You 0:25:44.240 --> 0:25:45.080 can sign the contract. 0:25:45.160 --> 0:25:46.480 I love that. That is great. 0:25:46.840 --> 0:25:48.879 That's the most wild thing I've heard though. I like 0:25:49.200 --> 0:25:51.360 it was that just like a New South Wales Laura. 0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:52.440 Was that an Australian law? 0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:54.320 I whod no? Why bothered to check? 0:25:54.480 --> 0:25:54.800 Yes? 0:25:55.080 --> 0:25:59.239 Yes, it was insanity. I mean segregation was in you know, 0:26:00.000 --> 0:26:01.560 why would you check on stuff? Because it was such 0:26:01.560 --> 0:26:03.959 a crazy broll. It was just a thing right, just 0:26:04.000 --> 0:26:06.800 the way it was, and you managed, you got on 0:26:06.880 --> 0:26:12.600 with it. And then the marriage fell apart and I 0:26:12.680 --> 0:26:13.800 ended up Melbourne. 0:26:14.240 --> 0:26:18.320 So it was good and somewhere between there and sorry 0:26:18.400 --> 0:26:20.960 the marriage. So I'm trying to backtrack a little bit. 0:26:21.080 --> 0:26:22.840 Around about the age of twenty two, you had a 0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:25.720 big accident with your neck right, Yep, that was quite severe. 0:26:26.080 --> 0:26:29.120 Absolutely. I was teaching in this country town, not Beverly, 0:26:29.240 --> 0:26:34.080 another country town north of Perth. And they by this 0:26:34.119 --> 0:26:38.920 stage the government had built to houses. Well, they were 0:26:39.080 --> 0:26:41.959 duplexus close so the guys had one single guys one 0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:44.440 side and the single girls the other. So I had 0:26:44.520 --> 0:26:47.760 I had moved out of this derelictome that when before 0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:51.760 into this nice new place with two girls. And we 0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:58.000 were one hundred and eighty mile from Perth, so there 0:26:58.080 --> 0:27:02.199 was a tendency to develop relationship within the township. So 0:27:02.359 --> 0:27:05.959 one of the girls had accepted a date with a farmer. 0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:08.280 Back then no mobile phone, so he came from a 0:27:08.280 --> 0:27:11.760 farm a long way out. It was for a Sunday 0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:14.879 to go water skiing with him and his mates. And 0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:17.439 then she finds out her boyfriend's coming up from the city. 0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:22.560 Help I need rescue? Will you go in my place? 0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:23.520 Yeah? 0:27:23.680 --> 0:27:26.280 Find So I was going out with a guy who 0:27:26.280 --> 0:27:28.240 had already left the farm. You couldn't get in touch 0:27:28.280 --> 0:27:30.120 with him to come in and pick her up, which 0:27:30.160 --> 0:27:32.240 was going to be me. I don't know his name. 0:27:32.280 --> 0:27:34.840 I never knew his name. I wouldn't never have recognized 0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:37.200 so anyway, he comes. When he gets here, he finds 0:27:37.200 --> 0:27:40.000 out he's taking me and not her because she's gone 0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:42.359 off with a boyfriend. So we get and it's a 0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:47.240 freshwater lake. Enie Abba. So out there at this freshwater 0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:51.080 lake that water skiing. Never water skied before. I ended 0:27:51.160 --> 0:27:53.159 up diving in head first, hit at the top of 0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:56.119 my head on a submerged standbank and knew I was 0:27:56.119 --> 0:27:58.320 in trouble. So the boat stopped to pick me up, 0:27:58.840 --> 0:28:01.159 but the movement of the boat painful, so they stopped 0:28:01.160 --> 0:28:03.119 and put me on the shore and I walked around 0:28:03.119 --> 0:28:06.760 the shore back to where the all his friends were sitting, 0:28:07.640 --> 0:28:10.239 and one of the guys there said, look, you've hurt 0:28:10.280 --> 0:28:11.800 your nick. He said, look, I'll ring a friend of 0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:15.920 mine in Geralton who's a chiropractor, and I'll drive you there, 0:28:15.960 --> 0:28:19.320 which is another hour and a half's drive to there. 0:28:19.400 --> 0:28:21.600 So I've got to get in the car. You don't 0:28:21.640 --> 0:28:25.560 realize that you how much you use your head as 0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:28.600 balanced So even sitting down, getting up, getting in and 0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:31.439 out of a car, and it was over dirt roads, 0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:38.320 sand dunes, and he drives me to Geralton. The chiropractor 0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:41.120 comes in Caesars, looks at me and she said, sweetheart, 0:28:41.240 --> 0:28:43.360 she said, it's a bit swollen. Why don't you come 0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:44.800 back and see me on Tuesday and I'll put it 0:28:44.880 --> 0:28:45.160 back in. 0:28:45.200 --> 0:28:45.360 Then. 0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:48.800 Oh my, had she touched me, I would have been dead. 0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:51.800 So back in the car, drive back to where I 0:28:51.840 --> 0:28:55.720 was teaching. But this stage ten thirty at night and 0:28:55.800 --> 0:28:57.480 the boyfriend is ready to go back to the city. 0:28:57.480 --> 0:28:59.040 He said, why don't you come. I'll drive you back 0:28:59.080 --> 0:29:01.040 down to perth off at your place and you can 0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:04.760 see your own doctor tomorrow. So back to the city. 0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:06.560 One thirty in the morning. I'm out of the cargo. 0:29:06.680 --> 0:29:09.280 Mum and dad are in bed. I go get myself 0:29:09.280 --> 0:29:12.560 into bed. Next morning, I've crawled out there there shock. 0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:16.480 Call my doctor, meet me at the hospital. So I 0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:18.480 meet him at the hospital. They do an X ray. 0:29:18.560 --> 0:29:21.400 Next thing, They've got sandbags all around me. I've got 0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:26.440 compression practice on three and four in my neck. So 0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:29.600 into hospital I have to be on what do they 0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:32.400 call it when they hang you by your chin in bed. 0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:34.200 Like with a yeah? 0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:41.000 So yeah. I was above head height of anybody walking 0:29:41.000 --> 0:29:43.320 in the room, so I couldn't see them. So I 0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:47.200 was in trouble. And I find out because I'd come 0:29:47.200 --> 0:29:48.800 from the middle of nowhere. We had no doctors, we 0:29:48.840 --> 0:29:52.400 didn't have dnners. I've never had injections, so I suddenly 0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:55.920 find out I'm allergic. They in the night. I could 0:29:55.960 --> 0:29:57.640 control the pain in the day, but when I was 0:29:57.680 --> 0:29:59.520 supposed to be asleep they gave me something to sleep, 0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:02.040 I had no control. I'd scream the hospital down. The 0:30:02.080 --> 0:30:03.880 next morning, they said, well, we can't inflict you on 0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:06.680 any other patients, so we're going to take you out 0:30:06.680 --> 0:30:09.240 of traction and we're going to put you in plaster. 0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:11.240 So they stretched me and I was in plaster from 0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:14.200 the top of my head. Half MI nerve my shoulders 0:30:14.200 --> 0:30:16.680 out to hear. I was in this plaster cast like this, 0:30:18.200 --> 0:30:21.760 And I said, look pointless me staying in hospital. Nothing 0:30:21.760 --> 0:30:23.520 can happen to me now. So I called a friend 0:30:24.760 --> 0:30:26.200 who was going to pick me up and take me 0:30:26.520 --> 0:30:29.080 down south to his parents' farm. And I could hide 0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:31.000 because I looked like the mitcheller man. I was just 0:30:32.320 --> 0:30:35.720 so he comes, He's take him a while to get this. 0:30:35.800 --> 0:30:37.480 So I go for a walk around the hospital ground 0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:40.840 and I get a mosquito in my ear. Have you 0:30:40.880 --> 0:30:45.200 ever had an insect in your ear? When they when 0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:47.840 they pummel on your ear drum. It's like a jackhammer 0:30:47.840 --> 0:30:50.960 in your brain. So I've gone back into the hospital 0:30:50.960 --> 0:30:53.000 and to get it out, they've had to lift me 0:30:53.080 --> 0:30:55.720 up and lay me over poor warm oil in my 0:30:55.800 --> 0:30:59.160 ear to drown. And while they're doing this, I said, look, 0:31:00.040 --> 0:31:01.320 only thing you can hap to me Now I get 0:31:01.400 --> 0:31:04.040 hit by a truck. You got to watch what you say. 0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:06.680 So my friend Arise picks me up. We're in his car, 0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:08.360 drive out of the gate onto the hospital into the 0:31:08.400 --> 0:31:16.480 main road. In the back, what ridiculous. I'm already in plaster, 0:31:16.800 --> 0:31:20.479 so I can't no whip lab So I ended up. 0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:23.560 You're probably lucky year already plaster. I was. 0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:27.800 So went downstate and his parents farm until the plaster 0:31:27.960 --> 0:31:31.040 was to come off, and then they they use a 0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:34.680 saw to cut across your throat. You hear anyway the 0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:36.560 plaster came off, I was in one of those screw 0:31:36.640 --> 0:31:39.680 up collars for went back to school teaching. 0:31:40.720 --> 0:31:42.840 And can I ask at that point, what what was 0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:44.560 the outlook from the doctors. 0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:47.280 I was going to spend my life in a wheelchair. 0:31:47.280 --> 0:31:48.840 I'd never be able to have kids, I'd never play 0:31:48.840 --> 0:31:51.560 sport again, I'd never I never never did stuff you 0:31:51.640 --> 0:31:54.760 so they took the collar off. I played a full 0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:57.000 game of basketball that night, and I didn't take a break. Sort, 0:31:57.000 --> 0:31:58.400 if I'm going to die, I'm going to die doing 0:31:58.440 --> 0:31:59.000 something I warrant. 0:31:59.880 --> 0:32:00.840 I'm going to make this shot. 0:32:01.080 --> 0:32:04.360 Absolutely. I went water skiing again. I did all those things. 0:32:04.960 --> 0:32:07.520 I did have troubles. When I was teaching in Sydney. 0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:09.040 I had to go back into a collar because I 0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:11.600 was losing the use of arms. I couldn't lift my 0:32:11.640 --> 0:32:14.640 arms right on the blackboard. So back in a collar, 0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:18.600 and they wanted to operate and cut the bones out 0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:22.000 and put a rod through. I wasn't keen on that. 0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:24.240 I met an old bloke who said he was a 0:32:24.280 --> 0:32:27.120 healer and asked me to give him three weeks and 0:32:27.200 --> 0:32:30.720 he would work with me. So at that point in time, 0:32:31.120 --> 0:32:32.880 because I knew if I had a rod there, eventually 0:32:32.880 --> 0:32:34.520 I'd have a rod right through my old spine. So 0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:38.400 three weeks he threw me over his shoulder, stretched me 0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:39.840 a little. That I got the use of arms back 0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:40.840 and I never to have the operation. 0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:44.480 Wow, and did that sort of a thing, I mean, 0:32:44.480 --> 0:32:47.840 that sort of event in someone's life. Surely that would 0:32:48.080 --> 0:32:50.480 play a part in I guess the outlook you'd have. 0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:54.719 In Because from that moment when the doctor said all 0:32:54.760 --> 0:32:57.760 the things I wouldn't do, I thought, he's not in 0:32:57.800 --> 0:33:00.960 my body. He's had no idea what I'm doing. So 0:33:01.120 --> 0:33:04.600 from that moment on health became the focal point. I'd 0:33:04.640 --> 0:33:06.840 taken all for grant, as you do, young people, you do. 0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:10.480 But suddenly health was it. So diet, you know, I'd 0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:14.160 studied nutrition, I was, you know, done all that. I 0:33:14.160 --> 0:33:16.800 didn't drink, I didn't smoke, I didn't inhale anything. I 0:33:16.800 --> 0:33:19.880 didn't you know, I ate a healthy you know, nutrition, 0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:24.240 So total focus on health and well being. I did 0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:27.480 start to have trouble a bit later, and I took 0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:30.960 up regular chiropractic care, so, you know, it just it 0:33:31.240 --> 0:33:36.120 changed me my attitude to life completely because you realize 0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:38.840 if you don't have your health, everything else in life 0:33:38.840 --> 0:33:39.720 becomes problematic. 0:33:39.960 --> 0:33:41.480 But do you think that's where that came from? Because 0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:43.959 you sound like a fairly tenacious person. You're not going 0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:45.440 to take no for an answer. Do you think that 0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:47.560 was part of that whole sort of mentality. 0:33:47.760 --> 0:33:51.040 Yeah, I think I was like that before. I don't 0:33:51.120 --> 0:33:53.479 know why. As I say, I was completely different from 0:33:53.520 --> 0:33:55.680 anybody else in the family. I don't know where I 0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:58.560 got that from, but I wasn't going to allow anybody 0:33:58.560 --> 0:33:59.959 to stop me from doing what I wanted to do. 0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:02.880 So just but that's a great mentality to have, especially 0:34:03.440 --> 0:34:05.840 for a female, and back then, because a lot of 0:34:05.880 --> 0:34:08.560 people will listen to others telling them no, no, you 0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:11.680 can't do that. That's not possible, because this, this and this. 0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:13.960 It's like, no, no, that's not right. You've got to 0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:16.160 set your mind to something and you can do it exactly. 0:34:16.440 --> 0:34:21.640 It's interesting because I had wanted initially to study medicine, 0:34:21.640 --> 0:34:23.560 but because of my scholarship, I had to do teaching. 0:34:24.920 --> 0:34:30.480 So for me having research, you know, I studied science 0:34:30.800 --> 0:34:33.400 or science subjects except geology. I had to learn before 0:34:33.400 --> 0:34:34.160 I talked that one. 0:34:35.160 --> 0:34:36.480 So it. 0:34:38.160 --> 0:34:41.080 Gave me an approach to life that life is what 0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:43.080 you make it. And so all the public speaking i've 0:34:43.120 --> 0:34:45.920 done since then, his life is what you make it, 0:34:46.000 --> 0:34:48.600 and with a focus on health and then the choices 0:34:48.680 --> 0:34:52.600 you make. So it's back then there were no books, 0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:55.560 there were no people who had those philosophies, so nobody 0:34:55.560 --> 0:34:58.400 I could talk to. I was alone wolf in those things. 0:34:59.080 --> 0:35:02.000 But it just it's just the way it was that's 0:35:02.040 --> 0:35:03.160 so interesting. Interesting. 0:35:03.600 --> 0:35:06.160 Yeah, I just find that fascinating because that's the thing 0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:08.279 that I find with a lot of people. They will 0:35:08.360 --> 0:35:10.759 just stop doing something because they're told they can't or 0:35:10.760 --> 0:35:12.799 they shouldn't, and it's like, well, it's entirely up to you. 0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:13.760 You can do whatever you want. 0:35:14.400 --> 0:35:16.760 But growing up where I did, we didn't have doctors, 0:35:16.760 --> 0:35:18.600 we didn't have dentists, we had none of the things. 0:35:18.600 --> 0:35:21.600 We had no community as such. So you know, you 0:35:21.760 --> 0:35:25.080 just you did what you did or else there was 0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:27.280 nobody They're going to hand it your life on a platter. 0:35:27.920 --> 0:35:31.160 You just Today, that's a different story, so many opportunities, 0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:32.880 and they still don't grasp them, you know what I mean, 0:35:32.880 --> 0:35:35.040 They still let stuff go. And it's like today it's 0:35:35.080 --> 0:35:36.799 like so different to what have beaten would be. 0:35:36.920 --> 0:35:41.200 Like that, completely and absolutely different nobody, you know. Since 0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:43.359 I've been on the board of an education found out 0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:47.719 in Melbourne since two thousand and six, and we take 0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:55.320 what we call challenge disadvantage kids and who are exceptionally 0:35:55.360 --> 0:35:57.279 who are gifted, and put them through year eleven and 0:35:57.280 --> 0:36:01.160 twelve and then mentor them through unique So the fact 0:36:01.160 --> 0:36:04.480 that I could relate totally to these kids It's made 0:36:04.640 --> 0:36:09.759 that an absolute dream because I value education. I know 0:36:09.760 --> 0:36:11.920 what a difference it can make, and kids who are 0:36:11.960 --> 0:36:14.680 really bright, who don't have at network and don't have 0:36:14.760 --> 0:36:19.719 the finances should not miss out online because so that 0:36:19.800 --> 0:36:23.759 experience as a child taught me a great deal that 0:36:23.800 --> 0:36:25.600 I've been been able to apply a lot through life. 0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:27.839 So I know it's a bit of a sidestep here, 0:36:27.880 --> 0:36:30.120 but what do you reckon these days? You're hearing a 0:36:30.160 --> 0:36:33.440 lot about kids as young as eleven twelve stealing cars 0:36:33.719 --> 0:36:34.720 and being like bags. 0:36:35.120 --> 0:36:36.239 What is the solution to that? 0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:38.640 Because I don't know if it's social media that propagates 0:36:38.640 --> 0:36:41.640 this stuff, but what is the solution to these kids 0:36:41.680 --> 0:36:42.640 who just seem to be running? 0:36:42.680 --> 0:36:47.319 Mark Well, Peter and I were both very grateful for 0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:49.480 the upbringing we've had and the fact that we were 0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:52.040 now in the position where we actually had the means 0:36:52.120 --> 0:36:55.760 to help people. So before we set up the foundation 0:36:55.960 --> 0:36:59.399 at home and good to you. You remember, but there 0:36:59.480 --> 0:37:02.040 was always a lot of people in our house. So 0:37:02.640 --> 0:37:05.719 my kids didn't bring home wounded animals. They brought home wounded. 0:37:05.520 --> 0:37:13.840 Kids from all walks of life, all of these nationality, nothing, 0:37:13.840 --> 0:37:14.479 it didn't matter. 0:37:14.560 --> 0:37:18.359 So we always had extra kids in the home, and 0:37:18.960 --> 0:37:21.600 I'd run I ran retreats for women, one hundred women 0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:24.320 at a time, once a year. So that was about, 0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:26.759 you know, life is what you make it. So that 0:37:26.880 --> 0:37:29.640 was fine for women. And Peter said to me, Bevo, 0:37:29.840 --> 0:37:33.279 you've got to do something for guys as well. I said, okay, 0:37:33.320 --> 0:37:34.719 as long as you're going to be there, because it's 0:37:34.719 --> 0:37:38.600 going to be more relevant. So we sort of would 0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:42.120 have the occasional residential but the guys weren't really keen 0:37:42.160 --> 0:37:46.080 staying for the weekend. Women were. They were fine. So 0:37:46.480 --> 0:37:51.520 we had our kids would have a particular group of friends, 0:37:51.560 --> 0:37:54.000 and a lot of them were in that troubled variety. 0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:56.560 So we'd bring them home for the weekend and we'd 0:37:56.600 --> 0:37:58.919 have a great weekend and we'd all these motivational talk 0:37:58.960 --> 0:38:01.000 and everything, and they'd be fantast stick and they have changed, 0:38:01.360 --> 0:38:03.480 and they go home, and a couple of weeks later 0:38:03.480 --> 0:38:06.480 they come back and they're back in squareway. And so 0:38:06.560 --> 0:38:08.879 we looked at this is absolutely a waste of time. 0:38:09.040 --> 0:38:12.960 We've got to get the parents before. If you get 0:38:12.960 --> 0:38:16.359 the parents with the right approach, then the kids are 0:38:16.360 --> 0:38:18.040 going to be raised in the right environment. They're going 0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:21.480 to be fine. So we swapped it around from just 0:38:21.520 --> 0:38:24.800 having the kids and brought the parents in. They worked 0:38:24.800 --> 0:38:27.879 with them, and that's when I found that it made 0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:31.000 an enormous difference. So for me, looking at the kids, 0:38:31.080 --> 0:38:35.160 these young kids today and having grandkids at age, I 0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:37.640 look at my grandkids, there's no way known that they 0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:41.640 would even contemplate stuff like that. So I look at 0:38:41.719 --> 0:38:43.759 them and I look back on what we did, and 0:38:44.120 --> 0:38:48.000 I know that the most important role any of us 0:38:48.080 --> 0:38:50.399 have in life is to have children and raise them. 0:38:50.640 --> 0:38:53.960 We're raising our next leaders, our next generation of leaders, 0:38:54.400 --> 0:38:57.160 and if they're not raised in an appropriate fashion, we're 0:38:57.160 --> 0:39:00.400 going to dip out. So for us, it was intant 0:39:00.480 --> 0:39:04.480 to get the kids instilled with a good solid basis 0:39:04.480 --> 0:39:07.520 so that that sort of stuff didn't happen. It had 0:39:08.080 --> 0:39:13.839 we had mixed. For our eldest, he tried, he wasn't 0:39:13.880 --> 0:39:16.040 interested in the start. We had to plead with him 0:39:16.040 --> 0:39:19.880 to get involved with these kids. And when he did, 0:39:21.400 --> 0:39:24.439 he came home one day and said, I'm leaving school, 0:39:24.480 --> 0:39:28.959 and I said what, Because he was exceptionally bright. I've worked, 0:39:29.520 --> 0:39:32.560 I had, I worked with a post grade work at 0:39:32.600 --> 0:39:35.920 Union in special ed gifted kids. So I knew he 0:39:36.000 --> 0:39:39.239 was bright, and God, you're not leaving school unless you've 0:39:39.280 --> 0:39:42.200 got a job, So you got to watch what you 0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:45.360 say as a parent. He goes to school on Monday, 0:39:45.480 --> 0:39:47.600 he comes home and he said, I've got these three jobs. Mum, 0:39:47.640 --> 0:39:49.560 I'm taking that one. I start next week. 0:39:50.960 --> 0:39:53.160 How old is he at this point, well, he. 0:39:53.200 --> 0:40:00.480 Was year eleven. So he picked a job which I 0:40:00.760 --> 0:40:03.480 was stunned in. It was with our race team, and 0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:06.319 he had not Our kids didn't particularly enjoy going to 0:40:06.320 --> 0:40:09.200 the races because for Peter it was always the fans. 0:40:09.760 --> 0:40:12.640 The kids had to wait until they'd finished signing, and 0:40:12.640 --> 0:40:14.640 then he'd take them home and they'd be starving and 0:40:14.719 --> 0:40:17.720 over it, so they didn't go very often. But Jamie 0:40:17.920 --> 0:40:20.160 started with the race team and we at the time 0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:24.600 had two guys who'd just come out of Formula one 0:40:24.840 --> 0:40:28.640 and I used to go in and food and do stuff. 0:40:28.680 --> 0:40:30.239 And I went in one day a couple of weeks 0:40:30.280 --> 0:40:32.319 after Jamie started, and they took me aside, these two 0:40:32.360 --> 0:40:33.880 guys and the said, do you realize what you've got here? 0:40:33.880 --> 0:40:35.360 And I said, what are your man? They said, do 0:40:35.400 --> 0:40:40.160 you realize how capable your son is? Said? Do you 0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:42.080 understand he's been here a couple of weeks. He can 0:40:42.120 --> 0:40:44.400 do things that we could not do in Formula one. 0:40:46.440 --> 0:40:48.719 So he stayed there for a little bit, but then 0:40:48.760 --> 0:40:51.880 he started his own business. He built a replica of 0:40:51.880 --> 0:40:56.400 Peter's first race card without seeing it, without anything, and 0:40:56.440 --> 0:40:57.960 Peter had go in there and look. He said, this 0:40:58.080 --> 0:41:02.239 is so much better than one because Pleader would do 0:41:02.280 --> 0:41:05.840 everything by eye and feel, whereas Jamie's meticulous. You know, 0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:11.080 everything's just perfect, so it you know, I looked at 0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:16.000 here's this kid with this attitude to work, determination, perfectionist, 0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:18.520 all of that sort of stuff. So he tried to 0:41:18.520 --> 0:41:22.000 get some of his mates who had been coming to 0:41:23.040 --> 0:41:25.000 get them jobs and they'd never even turn up. And 0:41:25.440 --> 0:41:29.839 he was so mortified that he just walked away from 0:41:29.880 --> 0:41:33.839 all of that. And so our kids, even though they 0:41:33.840 --> 0:41:35.759 grew up in the household, which where we always had 0:41:36.080 --> 0:41:38.880 extra kids, there's no way our kids are going to 0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:40.440 do it because they had to share their people. They 0:41:40.440 --> 0:41:42.239 were already had to share their dad, they had to 0:41:42.239 --> 0:41:47.200 share their mum and their home. So it changed attitudes 0:41:47.280 --> 0:41:49.080 more than you can begin to think. 0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:51.040 So, yeah, that's really interesting. 0:41:52.719 --> 0:41:56.400 In the midst of that, Bridgestone, our favorite sponsor at 0:41:56.400 --> 0:42:00.160 the time had an AD. You remember this cording had 0:42:00.160 --> 0:42:01.680 an AD for tires. 0:42:02.360 --> 0:42:03.520 Is this the one with the gecko? 0:42:04.200 --> 0:42:06.319 Yeah, but it's before the gecko. The gecko came in 0:42:06.520 --> 0:42:10.319 just after that. So I was Peter and I were 0:42:10.360 --> 0:42:13.960 to be they brought in the new Supercat tires. So 0:42:14.200 --> 0:42:17.080 we were doing to be in a comparison on a 0:42:18.320 --> 0:42:22.920 disused airport up in Sydney, and Peter was going to 0:42:22.920 --> 0:42:25.960 be so embarrassed because I was a pathetic driver, so 0:42:26.600 --> 0:42:28.200 it didn't show up on the AD. He took me 0:42:28.200 --> 0:42:30.080 down the paddic set up which his hats taught me 0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:32.840 how to drive ring, did a couple of runs. That's fine, right, 0:42:34.239 --> 0:42:37.600 just so I didn't embarrass it. So we get up 0:42:37.640 --> 0:42:40.080 to Sydney the AD. I'm in the car with the 0:42:40.120 --> 0:42:42.920 old tile, Peter's in the car with the new super Cats. 0:42:43.480 --> 0:42:45.920 We do a thing, slam on the brake stop and 0:42:45.960 --> 0:42:48.680 he cleans me up by country mile because he's got 0:42:48.719 --> 0:42:54.160 the good tires. So they swapped cars. I beat it 0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:58.360 and he looked. He said, Bevo, how good are those tires? 0:43:00.840 --> 0:43:03.360 And they were. And for me to have that before 0:43:03.400 --> 0:43:07.360 and after and understand how important tires were in stopping 0:43:07.960 --> 0:43:12.640 and maneuvering Gordy came. Yes, Gordy didn't have good times 0:43:12.680 --> 0:43:14.560 on his car. My daughter was not going to be 0:43:14.600 --> 0:43:17.000 allowed in there had good tires, so he got a 0:43:17.000 --> 0:43:18.399 brand new set of Quod ties. 0:43:18.520 --> 0:43:22.600 I love that was very embarrassed. I will get to 0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:25.200 that story in a second second, but I did want 0:43:25.200 --> 0:43:28.160 to sort of roughly go back to let's let's go 0:43:28.200 --> 0:43:30.520 to say it was the seventies at this point, and 0:43:31.120 --> 0:43:34.240 I'm guessing when did you meet Peter? Was it around 0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:38.160 sort of the early seventies? Yes, yes, because I mean 0:43:38.840 --> 0:43:40.840 to me that that was the era I wish I 0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:43.080 was born in. I just think it's it's brilliant. It 0:43:43.120 --> 0:43:46.000 was you can wear footy shorts for no particular reason, 0:43:46.120 --> 0:43:50.040 partner cigarettes on the bottom of you know, dashboard of 0:43:50.040 --> 0:43:53.759 your car. It was just Sonny's on It was. The 0:43:53.840 --> 0:43:57.840 cars were awesome, but it was a real roaring wild time. 0:43:59.160 --> 0:44:01.440 What was what what was that time like for you? 0:44:01.480 --> 0:44:03.560 When the seventies hit and I guess you met Peter. 0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:08.919 It was interesting because I'm this kid from this isolated spot. 0:44:09.000 --> 0:44:11.319 I know nothing. I'm naive. I've never dealt with media, 0:44:11.400 --> 0:44:13.520 I've never dealt with high profile people. I've never you know, 0:44:13.560 --> 0:44:16.640 all this sort of stuff, and you got to I 0:44:16.680 --> 0:44:18.719 know you were saying about the footy shorts. Women were 0:44:18.719 --> 0:44:22.120 not allowed to wear trousers to work. My science lab 0:44:22.200 --> 0:44:24.759 was sort of in the hill and it didn't get 0:44:24.800 --> 0:44:26.680 above freezing until eleven o'clock. So I went to the 0:44:26.680 --> 0:44:29.880 school principal and said, I want permission to wear trousers 0:44:29.880 --> 0:44:33.520 because it's so damn cold, absolutely against the rules. Episode 0:44:33.600 --> 0:44:35.440 and he and the deputy principal and as I was 0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:37.759 walking out, I'm thinking, oh god, and I heard him say, 0:44:38.200 --> 0:44:40.600 besides which, what would we have to look at because 0:44:40.719 --> 0:44:46.279 my skirts green? And I tought, mate, you've challenged the 0:44:46.320 --> 0:44:50.840 wrong woman. So the next day I wore slacks long trousers. 0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:54.080 There's only six other females teaching in the school, and 0:44:54.160 --> 0:44:55.000 within a week they. 0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:56.320 Were all wearing trousers. 0:44:56.880 --> 0:44:59.000 But anyhow, how did I find that? It was great? 0:44:59.080 --> 0:45:04.279 It was raw amazing. I then got to see I'd 0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:06.320 seen a little bit of motor racing in West Australia, 0:45:06.320 --> 0:45:09.279 but with Peter we'd go out to the track all 0:45:09.320 --> 0:45:13.040 the time. I was sort of learning to drive, but 0:45:13.080 --> 0:45:17.080 then you know, this is the big boys go, and 0:45:17.120 --> 0:45:22.560 I wasn't really all that interested in driving. Yeah, the cars, 0:45:22.640 --> 0:45:23.960 all of that sort of stuff. I was around the 0:45:23.960 --> 0:45:26.200 cars because we had a service station we were the 0:45:26.320 --> 0:45:31.960 racing was there. When Peter wanted assistance, he'd get my 0:45:32.040 --> 0:45:34.480 then husband to fly down and join him, so I 0:45:34.520 --> 0:45:36.520 would come, because that meant I was doing the cooking 0:45:36.520 --> 0:45:40.239 and waiting on them and the dog's breakfast stuff. So 0:45:41.520 --> 0:45:46.520 to actually find that I was involved in it, you know, 0:45:46.560 --> 0:45:49.840 at that stage, Peter not really started winning. He was 0:45:50.040 --> 0:45:52.399 just at the start of all of that. And so 0:45:52.520 --> 0:45:55.120 he had one batist and I was at school. I'd 0:45:55.120 --> 0:45:56.480 been up there on the week. I was at school. 0:45:56.480 --> 0:45:58.799 On the Monday, I organized for him on his way 0:45:58.840 --> 0:46:02.359 home back to Melbourne to drive past and stop at 0:46:02.360 --> 0:46:05.040 the school. And you can imagine a boys high school 0:46:05.040 --> 0:46:07.879 and he's just got it, just one Bathurst. He gets 0:46:07.960 --> 0:46:09.560 up there and he's up on the stage and there's 0:46:09.560 --> 0:46:13.080 this you know, these all these young men just in 0:46:13.640 --> 0:46:15.520 and the principle said to me afterwards, do you think 0:46:15.520 --> 0:46:17.719 you can teach us to talk like that? We don't 0:46:17.719 --> 0:46:23.279 get that reaction when we're talking. So I got at 0:46:23.320 --> 0:46:26.640 that point in time, I got to experience good cars, 0:46:27.080 --> 0:46:30.640 really good cars, which I got to drive sometimes. Sometimes 0:46:30.680 --> 0:46:33.480 I had them at school and would take the kids 0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:36.520 when I because I coached the basketball team, and I 0:46:36.680 --> 0:46:39.080 take a couple of the players in the car. They 0:46:39.080 --> 0:46:42.239 just think it was fantastic, absolutely fantastic. 0:46:42.280 --> 0:46:45.239 They loved it watching the old bath hest footage and 0:46:45.440 --> 0:46:48.160 things like that, especially in the early seventies. Just things 0:46:48.200 --> 0:46:51.200 like the pit lane, stuff like it was such a while. 0:46:51.320 --> 0:46:53.160 Like the way they would fill up a car would 0:46:53.400 --> 0:46:56.200 almost be with a big funnel and a barrel and 0:46:56.600 --> 0:46:58.960 pit fires and things like that. It was before sort 0:46:59.000 --> 0:47:01.080 of I'm not sure what they call them, but the 0:47:01.160 --> 0:47:05.560 valves and stuff that they moved to in the very manual. 0:47:05.840 --> 0:47:08.680 Yeah, there was no pit structure as such. There was 0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:12.640 a wood encounter. There was a single barbed wife, single 0:47:12.640 --> 0:47:14.799 line of barbed wire fencing. That was it. That was 0:47:14.800 --> 0:47:17.880 the safety thing over the mountain didn't And Peter actually 0:47:17.960 --> 0:47:19.480 used to say it was the council. Let's say they're 0:47:19.480 --> 0:47:21.560 bringing in these safety guys and they'd be putting up there. 0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:24.200 Peter said, it takes away the challenge. Don't do that. 0:47:24.239 --> 0:47:26.520 But of course they had to know a few blokes 0:47:26.560 --> 0:47:28.759 lost their lives, so it tends to change things. 0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:31.239 But leaving up on the mountain, if you're a spectator, 0:47:31.480 --> 0:47:34.720 they were burning cars and doing all sorts of stuff 0:47:34.800 --> 0:47:35.120 up there. 0:47:35.200 --> 0:47:37.000 That was a time to be alive. 0:47:37.160 --> 0:47:39.440 Well, you had to have to get up there. You 0:47:39.520 --> 0:47:41.440 had to go up this road and there would be 0:47:41.520 --> 0:47:44.560 a group of the guys from up the hill. And 0:47:45.400 --> 0:47:47.759 if you had a female in the car and she 0:47:47.880 --> 0:47:50.759 lifted a t shirt show them she wears, they would 0:47:50.840 --> 0:47:54.440 let that car through it if it only had blokes 0:47:54.440 --> 0:47:56.520 in and they'd have to contribute a certain amount of 0:47:56.520 --> 0:47:59.400 their slab or they'd have to do a burnout. Trouble 0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:01.000 is when they did the burn out, the car hage 0:48:01.040 --> 0:48:04.720 slide off and sometimes went through tents where people were sleeping. 0:48:05.680 --> 0:48:08.759 But the media protected it all they didn't. All of 0:48:08.760 --> 0:48:11.239 that was kept quiet and up the top at the 0:48:11.239 --> 0:48:13.520 top where it was drinking it, they brought in the 0:48:13.560 --> 0:48:16.840 limit for the amount of alcohol you could have. The 0:48:16.880 --> 0:48:19.560 guys weren't stupid, so they would go up there mid 0:48:20.120 --> 0:48:22.280 way through the year, digg a trench from their camp 0:48:22.320 --> 0:48:25.919 site to the where the power thing was and hook 0:48:25.920 --> 0:48:29.000 into the power cover the trench over they'd have under 0:48:29.040 --> 0:48:30.799 their tent site. They'd have a big hole and they'd 0:48:30.840 --> 0:48:33.200 have a big fridge in there, so it's connected to 0:48:33.239 --> 0:48:36.560 the power, and so that they would have this stock 0:48:36.640 --> 0:48:39.239 supplying before the police arrived on race week. 0:48:40.200 --> 0:48:42.560 This whole thing is my kind of currency. I just like, 0:48:43.920 --> 0:48:44.920 do you get your tarana in? 0:48:46.280 --> 0:48:47.400 But it's true, the media. 0:48:48.760 --> 0:48:49.279 Covered it all. 0:48:49.560 --> 0:48:50.240 It never happened. 0:48:50.280 --> 0:48:52.880 There were a few people killed, a few people squashed 0:48:52.880 --> 0:48:55.719 when the burnouts went a bit of haywire. But but 0:48:56.080 --> 0:48:57.960 you know, Peter and I'd go up and because the 0:48:57.960 --> 0:49:00.279 guys would be there in their army, great coats, every 0:49:00.320 --> 0:49:03.440 badge they could find, and they idolized him. So they 0:49:03.640 --> 0:49:06.360 treated always treated me with absolute respect, and they treated 0:49:06.400 --> 0:49:08.520 him with respect. But if you were a bit of 0:49:08.520 --> 0:49:12.800 a whoon or anything, you had to pass certain tests 0:49:12.880 --> 0:49:15.040 before you were a part of a mom to stay there. 0:49:16.680 --> 0:49:20.160 It was never dull or boring. Let me tell. 0:49:19.960 --> 0:49:21.799 You what do you think it is about the fan 0:49:21.880 --> 0:49:24.720 base of I mean not just Peter but motor racing 0:49:24.760 --> 0:49:28.440 and cars in general. Is it's such a fascinating love affair. 0:49:28.560 --> 0:49:32.239 I mean, you know, when my parents were sixteen years old, 0:49:31.880 --> 0:49:35.600 they'll do our dad's MG and for them back then, 0:49:35.680 --> 0:49:37.839 that was their their campfire. Do you know what I mean, 0:49:37.880 --> 0:49:41.120 and for a lot of fans working on cars together 0:49:41.280 --> 0:49:44.640 or talking about cars, debating about cars, it's a passion, 0:49:44.680 --> 0:49:49.080 it's a clubhouse. And to see Peter, I guess it 0:49:49.160 --> 0:49:54.000 was almost like their God, you know, they're king, they are. 0:49:54.440 --> 0:49:56.360 It was interesting because it didn't matter whether you're a 0:49:56.520 --> 0:50:00.040 Ford fan, didn't matter what you model you were, and 0:50:00.440 --> 0:50:04.440 they respected Peter he was he was applauded by all 0:50:04.480 --> 0:50:07.120 of them, and so it was to me it was 0:50:07.160 --> 0:50:09.400 always interesting and there was back in those days. There 0:50:09.440 --> 0:50:11.880 was a lot of camaraderie. So if you saw somebody 0:50:11.880 --> 0:50:14.200 having trouble, you helped them. You know. We often gave 0:50:14.360 --> 0:50:17.440 sets of tires or sent one of our mechanics down 0:50:17.480 --> 0:50:20.480 to help up the guys who were just breaking into it, 0:50:20.480 --> 0:50:23.040 who didn't have money and couldn't do it. So but 0:50:23.320 --> 0:50:26.440 you know, it came a time when you had to 0:50:26.680 --> 0:50:29.280 know you were allowed to be seen talking to anybody 0:50:29.280 --> 0:50:31.600 from another team because you might be spreading the secrets. 0:50:32.040 --> 0:50:35.200 And it just developed into this, and then when Tony 0:50:35.239 --> 0:50:37.680 Cochran took over, he wanted it to be the equivalent 0:50:37.760 --> 0:50:40.840 of the Formula one and so another level of you 0:50:40.840 --> 0:50:45.760 know that extreme, So all of that friendliness to camaraderie 0:50:46.280 --> 0:50:48.719 had to go under cover, and it was It was 0:50:48.760 --> 0:50:51.280 sad because at the end of a race on Sundays, 0:50:51.440 --> 0:50:53.319 you know, the whole heap of teams would get together 0:50:53.360 --> 0:50:56.160 for drinks and a barbecue and it was you know, 0:50:56.200 --> 0:50:59.520 everybody talked and shared things. But you know, it came 0:50:59.520 --> 0:51:03.239 a time when Peter was getting towards the end of 0:51:03.280 --> 0:51:05.960 his career when he wasn't allowed to lift the bonnet 0:51:06.000 --> 0:51:08.520 of his car and his own team, he wasn't allowed 0:51:08.520 --> 0:51:11.799 to talk to the mechanics. He wasn't. They were bringing in, 0:51:12.120 --> 0:51:14.840 you know, Craig and the younger drivers and they wanted 0:51:15.080 --> 0:51:18.720 but they wanted Peter because he bought with him huge 0:51:19.000 --> 0:51:26.000 fan base, huge sponsor support, and announced they didn't have, 0:51:26.040 --> 0:51:29.040 so they wanted him. And this isn't the guys in 0:51:29.120 --> 0:51:31.000 the team were fantastic, don't get me wrong, I'm talking 0:51:31.000 --> 0:51:34.279 administrative wise. So they wanted him. They needed him for 0:51:34.320 --> 0:51:38.880 all those reasons. But having got them those things, got 0:51:39.239 --> 0:51:43.160 his sponsors signed over now with their signature on the thing. 0:51:43.360 --> 0:51:46.239 Suddenly and he looked at me and he said, he said, 0:51:46.280 --> 0:51:48.959 this is this is first race meeting for that year 0:51:49.800 --> 0:51:52.960 was at Winton and it was so embarrassing. The poor 0:51:53.000 --> 0:51:55.160 bugger was just you know, couldn't look at his car, 0:51:55.239 --> 0:51:59.040 couldn't talk to mcteam of the drivers. And so by 0:51:59.040 --> 0:52:00.759 the time we hopped in the to come home, he 0:52:01.080 --> 0:52:04.680 was really gutted. And I said to him, well, why 0:52:05.000 --> 0:52:08.520 hang around, Why not say now, it's say now that 0:52:08.560 --> 0:52:09.799 you're going to retire at the end of the year. 0:52:09.800 --> 0:52:11.440 That way it gives you every race meeting around the 0:52:11.440 --> 0:52:15.040 country say goodbye, sign all the autographs, and get you 0:52:15.080 --> 0:52:18.080 out of this situation. So he went through a couple 0:52:18.120 --> 0:52:20.400 of years at the end there that were just abysmal. 0:52:20.840 --> 0:52:24.800 I was just horrified with how it worked for somebody 0:52:24.840 --> 0:52:28.360 who had brought so much to the sport that was 0:52:28.400 --> 0:52:31.480 given such a tough time by people who caught They 0:52:31.560 --> 0:52:34.520 wanted him, corporate, they wanted him, but they wanted to 0:52:34.520 --> 0:52:36.920 control him. They had to control him for them to 0:52:36.960 --> 0:52:39.040 get what they wanted out of it. And that was 0:52:39.160 --> 0:52:42.640 total insult. But anyhow, that's the joys of you know, 0:52:43.000 --> 0:52:47.080 change happening, evolution of drivers coming and going, and you know, 0:52:47.320 --> 0:52:49.719 I look at some of it now and I think, yeah, 0:52:49.719 --> 0:52:52.000 there's some little bits of that shows up now that's 0:52:51.719 --> 0:52:53.080 not quite the same. 0:52:53.040 --> 0:52:54.239 But it's not the same these days. 0:52:54.239 --> 0:52:57.440 If you look at supercars, they're just there's so little 0:52:57.480 --> 0:52:59.680 resemblance to a road car. Back then at used to 0:52:59.680 --> 0:53:02.960 the same exactly there and under the skin they're very similar. 0:53:03.600 --> 0:53:06.560 It's just it's a bit sort of disappointing, you know. 0:53:07.400 --> 0:53:07.640 It is. 0:53:07.719 --> 0:53:12.319 I go occasionally and I watch occasionally on TV, but 0:53:13.360 --> 0:53:18.160 it's not the same. And I just I look, there 0:53:18.239 --> 0:53:24.120 was a time when the sport applauded heroic individual so 0:53:24.200 --> 0:53:27.440 the likes of Dick and Moff and Peter and John Bowen, 0:53:27.480 --> 0:53:30.520 those were individual and had a big following in their 0:53:30.560 --> 0:53:35.160 own right. Well, when the change happened and it became 0:53:35.400 --> 0:53:40.440 sort of suitcus they the ruling was that no one person, 0:53:40.480 --> 0:53:44.000 no one team would get more support than another, and 0:53:44.080 --> 0:53:47.080 therefore no individual could stand out. So rather than have 0:53:47.520 --> 0:53:51.920 a person that the fans could relate to, it's common 0:53:51.920 --> 0:53:54.520 field and you sit there and think, no, and they'd 0:53:54.520 --> 0:53:56.319 have a go at the guys who dared to speak up, 0:53:56.320 --> 0:53:58.120 and that says, hang on, they got personality. 0:53:58.239 --> 0:54:00.399 Yeah, exactly, that's what you see these days. 0:54:00.400 --> 0:54:03.759 Anyone that does speak, they get slapped down. 0:54:02.719 --> 0:54:03.120 Exactly. 0:54:03.880 --> 0:54:06.839 They just have an opinion. That's the problem is. 0:54:06.920 --> 0:54:10.160 It's a shame and I sort of on one level, 0:54:10.239 --> 0:54:12.839 I feel for them, But on the other hand, they've 0:54:12.840 --> 0:54:15.960 never experienced anything else exactly, and a lot of them 0:54:15.960 --> 0:54:18.080 because they've never owned the team, they've never had to 0:54:18.800 --> 0:54:21.040 do the media, they've never had to get the sponsors. 0:54:22.000 --> 0:54:24.200 They biff and bag and they don't care if they 0:54:24.280 --> 0:54:26.400 knock somebody else off the track and total of somebody 0:54:26.400 --> 0:54:29.000 else's car. They don't have to pay for the repairs. 0:54:29.320 --> 0:54:31.760 They don't have to go through all of that stuff. 0:54:31.800 --> 0:54:34.240 And I look and I think, you know the amount 0:54:34.239 --> 0:54:37.480 of or lack of respect that some of them, the 0:54:37.520 --> 0:54:43.680 younger ones have today because they don't have ownership in 0:54:43.760 --> 0:54:46.680 the team. They're employed driver. Whereas we go back to 0:54:46.719 --> 0:54:49.880 the time where Dick Glenn's seat and you know, Peter, 0:54:50.680 --> 0:54:54.280 you know, they owned the team. The financial risk. 0:54:54.840 --> 0:54:57.360 Was all differently as well, because you. 0:54:58.320 --> 0:55:01.080 Can't and all that happened every time was the mortgage 0:55:01.080 --> 0:55:03.319 on our home just got bigger and bigger because you've 0:55:03.320 --> 0:55:05.880 got to find more money. So for Peter, the sponsorship 0:55:05.920 --> 0:55:08.359 money came in and that was for the go fast. 0:55:08.440 --> 0:55:11.000 It's bibow so you can so you can do the cooking. 0:55:11.040 --> 0:55:12.600 You can feed the crew, you can do the timing, 0:55:12.640 --> 0:55:15.600 you can make the costume, the girls costumes. You can 0:55:15.640 --> 0:55:17.520 fix our race suits, you can make our race suits. 0:55:17.800 --> 0:55:21.279 All of that was mine and look after Peter at 0:55:21.280 --> 0:55:25.520 the same and the sponsorship money came in for the 0:55:25.560 --> 0:55:28.080 go fast and look good. Yeah, it's got to look good. 0:55:28.440 --> 0:55:31.680 So you know, there was one year in Bathist where 0:55:32.680 --> 0:55:36.120 if you led for a lap in qualifying, fastest lap, 0:55:36.360 --> 0:55:39.200 leading the laps in the race, blah blah, everything, and 0:55:39.239 --> 0:55:42.799 he won everything that was possible to win. It was 0:55:43.239 --> 0:55:46.319 a dream thing in that sense. But by the time 0:55:46.360 --> 0:55:50.240 you paid your co drivers because you'd give them, promise 0:55:50.320 --> 0:55:52.120 them or your crew, if you win, you get a 0:55:52.280 --> 0:55:55.640 certain thing. We didn't meet costs. We'd won everything and 0:55:55.640 --> 0:55:59.440 still didn't mean costs. So people automatically assumed that because 0:55:59.440 --> 0:56:01.880 you were there and the leading edge, you were wealthy, 0:56:02.480 --> 0:56:06.880 but like everybody else, you were struggling to be there. 0:56:06.920 --> 0:56:09.239 And so that works like if you're if you run 0:56:09.280 --> 0:56:12.279 a race team, you guys are paying for everything. When 0:56:12.320 --> 0:56:15.960 it comes to sponsorships, do they always have strings attached? 0:56:16.200 --> 0:56:17.880 I mean that they'll get something on the car, But 0:56:17.920 --> 0:56:20.239 does it mean that Pete would have to go and 0:56:20.280 --> 0:56:23.760 do ads and talks and stuff like that. 0:56:23.880 --> 0:56:26.600 Well, at one point in time, when Peter was King 0:56:26.600 --> 0:56:31.960 of Bomber and Queen, it came out and we were 0:56:32.080 --> 0:56:34.400 invited to have lunch with the Queen, and Peter would 0:56:34.400 --> 0:56:38.239 say yes initially, and then Mobile had a function on 0:56:38.320 --> 0:56:40.040 for their dealers and they said we need you there, 0:56:40.080 --> 0:56:42.560 so we walked out. We didn't go to lunch with 0:56:42.560 --> 0:56:46.320 the Queen. We did the mobile functions. 0:56:46.560 --> 0:56:50.439 Can you imagine that conversation, Sorry, lez, i can't make 0:56:50.480 --> 0:56:53.560 it to the sandwiches. I've got to go do this 0:56:53.600 --> 0:56:55.280 thing for a bloody petrol company. 0:56:56.000 --> 0:56:58.560 He had to get permission to wear it clossis cloth 0:56:58.640 --> 0:57:01.960 crown because you can't. You cannot wear a crown in 0:57:02.000 --> 0:57:03.759 front of a royalty if they've got the crown, and 0:57:03.840 --> 0:57:04.120 she had. 0:57:04.080 --> 0:57:06.480 Her crown so versus the queen. 0:57:08.239 --> 0:57:11.879 It's just, you know, all of these these things. I mean, 0:57:11.920 --> 0:57:16.560 it was there was always something, always something which was 0:57:17.720 --> 0:57:21.160 in one level exciting, but it was exhausting because people 0:57:21.160 --> 0:57:23.120 would say to me, oh, you know, you're so lucky. 0:57:23.200 --> 0:57:23.440 I don't. 0:57:23.560 --> 0:57:24.680 It's what places with me. 0:57:24.640 --> 0:57:25.520 For a few weeks. 0:57:26.160 --> 0:57:27.680 It was it was full on. 0:57:27.800 --> 0:57:30.120 Yeah, I imagine, I mean just being a race driver. 0:57:30.720 --> 0:57:33.960 Being part of the support crew is full time stuff 0:57:34.880 --> 0:57:36.280 for different engagements. 0:57:36.400 --> 0:57:39.400 Well, he had all the business meetings, all the media stuff, 0:57:39.880 --> 0:57:43.280 the fans stuff, he was constantly in demand. I don't know, 0:57:43.400 --> 0:57:47.520 I honestly don't know how he survived and coped with 0:57:47.560 --> 0:57:47.800 it all. 0:57:47.920 --> 0:57:49.440 Well, I was going to say, you should play. You 0:57:49.480 --> 0:57:52.600 do play a big part in that because from what 0:57:52.680 --> 0:57:56.440 I hear as well, it's Peter was this sort of 0:57:56.480 --> 0:57:59.800 ball of chaotic energy and you really were the sort 0:57:59.800 --> 0:58:07.040 of the calm and focus behind him and prevented I guess, 0:58:07.680 --> 0:58:09.080 so he doesn't burn out, you know. 0:58:09.360 --> 0:58:14.080 Well totally because for me it was you know, and 0:58:14.120 --> 0:58:16.480 I know it's going back to the old gender the roles, 0:58:16.560 --> 0:58:20.439 but at that stage, for me, it was in order 0:58:20.480 --> 0:58:22.600 for him to do and be the success he needed 0:58:22.640 --> 0:58:24.960 to be, he needed to have a good, sound, support based, 0:58:25.680 --> 0:58:30.120 peaceful So we had an understanding with the crew myself 0:58:30.160 --> 0:58:33.360 that if there was any problems at all, he doesn't 0:58:33.360 --> 0:58:35.200 know about them. When he gets the race tracked, he 0:58:35.320 --> 0:58:38.200 is there for the fans, for the sponsors, for the race, 0:58:38.240 --> 0:58:42.680 for the car. Anything that's a problem, we'll deal with it. So, 0:58:43.240 --> 0:58:45.680 you know, there when we sort of split with Holden, 0:58:45.720 --> 0:58:50.120 and they had issued legal papers that practice stay at 0:58:50.160 --> 0:58:53.360 the first practice day, the pits. Do we keep these 0:58:53.400 --> 0:58:55.320 away from him? Do you know all of that sort 0:58:55.320 --> 0:58:58.600 of stuff. So it was on one hand people would say, 0:58:58.600 --> 0:59:00.720 but you're treating him like a child. Then if you 0:59:00.840 --> 0:59:01.919 had to do what he had to. 0:59:01.800 --> 0:59:03.800 Do, imagine though, having that in the back of your mind, 0:59:03.920 --> 0:59:05.640 just as you're about to go racing. 0:59:06.000 --> 0:59:10.000 Yeah, that's not treating someone like a child. That's giving 0:59:10.000 --> 0:59:12.040 them the best chance at success. 0:59:12.680 --> 0:59:15.520 It was for me it was the time of learning 0:59:15.520 --> 0:59:17.920 about the media. You have to pardon me if I 0:59:17.920 --> 0:59:20.640 treed on tos you guys, but at one point in time, 0:59:21.280 --> 0:59:23.960 this is when we're splitting from Holden, and the media 0:59:24.160 --> 0:59:26.560 want interviews, interviews, and if he was going to be 0:59:26.560 --> 0:59:28.600 doing all the interviews, he wasn't going to be working 0:59:28.600 --> 0:59:30.600 at trying to get where do we build the cars now? 0:59:30.640 --> 0:59:32.920 Who do we employ? Who do we So he was 0:59:32.920 --> 0:59:35.480 doing that, So I would do the media interviews and 0:59:35.520 --> 0:59:38.160 I had never had to deal with media before. So 0:59:39.000 --> 0:59:41.080 I've got this interview with this guy and he comes 0:59:41.080 --> 0:59:44.520 out and I didn't understand what got me in there, 0:59:44.520 --> 0:59:47.040 And his opening thing was he sets me up. They've 0:59:47.040 --> 0:59:51.000 got the lighting, and he sets me up and he 0:59:51.040 --> 0:59:55.560 says to me, isn't this Peter hiding behind your skirts? O? 0:59:56.040 --> 0:59:56.320 God? 0:59:56.400 --> 0:59:59.000 And I believe it's kind of disgusting thing to say. 1:00:00.040 --> 1:00:03.000 It was seven thirty or something, so the promotion for 1:00:03.040 --> 1:00:05.440 that to go to TV. What a disgusting thing to 1:00:05.480 --> 1:00:07.480 say was what they did. And then people in the 1:00:07.520 --> 1:00:09.600 media when they saw it said to me, you understand 1:00:09.640 --> 1:00:10.680 he was sitting you up? And I said, what do 1:00:10.720 --> 1:00:12.840 you mean he was sitting up? Well, for start, he's 1:00:12.840 --> 1:00:15.040 got the camera sit down though that looks up. He's 1:00:15.040 --> 1:00:16.959 got the lighting sit down, he's got a green lens 1:00:17.000 --> 1:00:18.960 on the camera. So it all is designed to make 1:00:19.000 --> 1:00:23.520 it hawkish, throw shadows, all of those things. And I've 1:00:23.520 --> 1:00:26.360 said that I think seriously. Anyhow, I didn't find that 1:00:26.400 --> 1:00:31.120 out until after, but it taught me then the strategies 1:00:31.160 --> 1:00:33.000 that people would go to the media would go to. 1:00:33.120 --> 1:00:36.640 So I get home from there, I deal with him. 1:00:36.640 --> 1:00:38.800 I get home from there. The phone's ringing its radio 1:00:38.840 --> 1:00:43.920 stations in South Australia and they heard. So you realize 1:00:43.960 --> 1:00:47.440 then that all the media around Australia listened to anything 1:00:47.480 --> 1:00:50.760 that might be interesting. They've got somebody listening and. 1:00:50.000 --> 1:00:52.120 And that is the beginning in a media sense, that 1:00:52.240 --> 1:00:54.240 is the beginning of setting a narrative. 1:00:55.320 --> 1:00:58.520 And fair enough, and I understand all that, but when 1:00:58.560 --> 1:01:01.320 you add that, it's okay when everything because he had 1:01:01.320 --> 1:01:04.480 been the media's goldenhead boy and suddenly they decided he's 1:01:04.520 --> 1:01:07.320 the one we go for because it's big stories. And 1:01:07.400 --> 1:01:12.000 so to see him feeling mortally wounded because he'd never 1:01:12.080 --> 1:01:16.600 done anything wrong, and to know that in order for 1:01:16.680 --> 1:01:19.440 him to get through this, we need to have a 1:01:19.640 --> 1:01:25.000 very calm situation. And so we took care of all 1:01:25.040 --> 1:01:27.840 of the tough stuff, and maybe we did treat him 1:01:27.880 --> 1:01:30.200 like it, but then he didn't have time for it also, 1:01:30.480 --> 1:01:31.280 which is fair enough. 1:01:31.600 --> 1:01:33.760 So did you learn from that experience with the media. 1:01:33.800 --> 1:01:35.800 Did you treat every future interview differently? 1:01:36.640 --> 1:01:39.480 I looked more carefully, But Peter actually said to me, Bevo, 1:01:39.560 --> 1:01:43.920 He said, make sure that everybody you talked to in 1:01:43.920 --> 1:01:47.320 the media has our home phone number, our facts details, 1:01:47.400 --> 1:01:50.560 our emails, all of that. And I said to why, 1:01:51.360 --> 1:01:54.080 and he said, if you don't and they write a 1:01:54.120 --> 1:01:57.840 story and you've refused to participate, he said, you've got 1:01:57.880 --> 1:02:00.480 no right to complain about when it's wrong. And so 1:02:01.320 --> 1:02:05.080 God bless you. He'd give everybody a homephone number of 1:02:05.120 --> 1:02:07.240 my details, and somebody had come up to them with 1:02:07.280 --> 1:02:09.320 a personal problem or health problem. I just got to 1:02:09.320 --> 1:02:13.720 call BEV here, here's a number. So the phone. He'd 1:02:13.800 --> 1:02:15.760 come home, he'd be sitting at the kitchen bench, the 1:02:15.760 --> 1:02:17.640 phone would bring and I'd talk on the phone because 1:02:17.680 --> 1:02:21.160 somebody's yeah, the brother's dying and blah blah blah blah blah. 1:02:21.480 --> 1:02:24.760 And don't do that. I said, what do you mean? 1:02:24.800 --> 1:02:27.000 He said, don't talk on the phone when I'm here. 1:02:27.120 --> 1:02:29.880 I'm not home very often. I want to have your attention. 1:02:30.480 --> 1:02:33.160 You're the one that's giving them my number, You're the 1:02:33.200 --> 1:02:37.800 one that's telling them I have the solutions. And so 1:02:38.000 --> 1:02:40.600 it was sort of it was, it got very complex, 1:02:40.880 --> 1:02:43.760 just you know, it was you know, can. 1:02:43.640 --> 1:02:46.120 I say on top of all that, there was also 1:02:47.120 --> 1:02:48.680 creating a home life as well. 1:02:49.240 --> 1:02:52.640 And at two hunderd Acre property, Yeah. 1:02:53.440 --> 1:02:56.080 It's just stunning property. It was a stun property too. Yeah. 1:02:56.120 --> 1:02:58.520 And we had Peter's parents living we built a house 1:02:58.560 --> 1:03:01.080 for them on our block, and had his aunt and 1:03:01.160 --> 1:03:04.120 uncle living next door who didn't have any children. And 1:03:04.360 --> 1:03:07.320 my father had dementia and came over so I had. 1:03:07.320 --> 1:03:10.280 We had all these oldies and in about five years, 1:03:10.760 --> 1:03:14.080 in over a period about three years, lost five of them. 1:03:14.520 --> 1:03:17.440 So I was nursing them at Omas Wilson. 1:03:17.840 --> 1:03:21.280 It was because that's that's all. 1:03:21.280 --> 1:03:22.720 No, I don't say it for that reason, but I 1:03:22.760 --> 1:03:25.160 look back because it's there to be done. You do it, 1:03:25.160 --> 1:03:27.640 You don't, you don't look at anything else, You just 1:03:27.720 --> 1:03:31.120 do it. And I look at you know, the young 1:03:31.160 --> 1:03:33.360 ones now when they have their kids and they need help, 1:03:33.360 --> 1:03:34.919 and I think, yeah, do. 1:03:34.880 --> 1:03:40.560 You seriously, like that's that's a good point someone. 1:03:40.840 --> 1:03:42.880 We didn't get that help and then we had there 1:03:42.920 --> 1:03:46.120 was no early learning center, no daycare. 1:03:45.840 --> 1:03:48.800 Center, nurse on call, all that sort of stuff, none 1:03:48.800 --> 1:03:52.040 of that. It was always such a welcoming and warm 1:03:52.280 --> 1:03:57.080 place to go to. That's my memories of of your place. 1:03:57.200 --> 1:04:01.560 And I remember you were talking about the tire situation before. 1:04:02.280 --> 1:04:04.840 I remember this one time God and I remember, like 1:04:04.880 --> 1:04:08.480 I'm genuinely there's two things that I'm genuinely embarrassed to 1:04:08.520 --> 1:04:10.920 talk about. And I didn't think Alex would remember, but 1:04:10.960 --> 1:04:15.439 she remembered that she brought them up one one time 1:04:15.680 --> 1:04:18.960 was and it was it was a It actually gave 1:04:18.960 --> 1:04:22.680 me a lifelong lesson in in kindness. I had the 1:04:22.880 --> 1:04:25.800 I had this little Zuzuki Swift right, and I used 1:04:25.800 --> 1:04:27.880 to drive it was my first card and I'd drive 1:04:27.920 --> 1:04:31.520 it from you know, into Nutfield at the time, and 1:04:32.920 --> 1:04:35.160 the tires were baled on it. And one time it 1:04:35.360 --> 1:04:37.880 was like I was driving home at like two o'clock 1:04:37.920 --> 1:04:39.880 in the morning or something like that, I ran off 1:04:39.880 --> 1:04:43.360 the road into some sort of a ditch into some 1:04:43.520 --> 1:04:48.200 poor person's fence, which was a barbed wire fence. And 1:04:48.240 --> 1:04:50.840 I was too embarrassed to like call call for help 1:04:50.960 --> 1:04:53.240 or anything. So there I am two o'clock in the morning. 1:04:53.240 --> 1:04:55.440 It was pissing down with rain. I'm trying to like, 1:04:55.760 --> 1:04:57.640 I'm trying to I'm trying to read. I'm trying to 1:04:57.680 --> 1:05:00.440 pull this barbed wire fence off my little car and 1:05:00.480 --> 1:05:01.880 then try and get out of the ditch. 1:05:02.240 --> 1:05:04.400 And then in an interesting spot and. 1:05:05.040 --> 1:05:08.760 Some guy pulls over and goes, oh, you need a hand. 1:05:08.800 --> 1:05:11.280 I'm like yeah, yeah, And I'm like, please, don't be 1:05:11.360 --> 1:05:14.440 the person who lives in this house, and he said, oh, 1:05:14.560 --> 1:05:15.600 I lived just over there. 1:05:15.760 --> 1:05:15.920 Yeah. 1:05:15.960 --> 1:05:18.920 People come off the radio all the time of radio anyway, 1:05:18.960 --> 1:05:20.800 so it sort of helps me take this thing up. 1:05:20.840 --> 1:05:23.680 I drive out of the ditch. And the next day, 1:05:23.880 --> 1:05:27.160 I think I pulled up in your driveway with a 1:05:27.200 --> 1:05:30.720 scratched up car, and you just went, Okay, you can't 1:05:31.040 --> 1:05:33.640 you can't be doing this, you can't be doing this. 1:05:33.880 --> 1:05:37.840 And obviously you know you can't have your daughter's boyfriend 1:05:37.840 --> 1:05:40.320 at the time driving around with ball tires. Let's let's 1:05:40.320 --> 1:05:43.760 get that fixed. But it was also such a such 1:05:43.760 --> 1:05:47.400 a selfless act of kindness, and I remembered that a lot. 1:05:47.680 --> 1:05:52.040 And yeah, within BEV made one phone call and within 1:05:52.320 --> 1:05:55.200 within an hour I was down at some garage putting 1:05:55.920 --> 1:06:01.240 some Bridge firestones on there. Fantastic tires. Shout out to Bridge. 1:06:01.000 --> 1:06:03.360 Though, amazing company. 1:06:03.400 --> 1:06:06.680 But yeah, there was actually this other time right where 1:06:06.880 --> 1:06:10.040 I had a I had a problem with that with 1:06:10.080 --> 1:06:15.400 my car. It just wouldn't start, and I had a 1:06:15.400 --> 1:06:17.360 problem with my cart and wouldn't start. Him like, what 1:06:17.520 --> 1:06:20.040 is going on here? And I was I was still 1:06:20.400 --> 1:06:25.360 I was quite nervous around around Peter, and I was like, oh, 1:06:25.440 --> 1:06:27.400 there's something wrong with my car, and you know, he 1:06:27.480 --> 1:06:29.240 was just enjoying a movie on the couch and he 1:06:29.280 --> 1:06:33.640 sort of comes out, He's like, yeah, just just just 1:06:33.920 --> 1:06:35.840 pops the bonnet. Yeah, just give it a start. Yeah, 1:06:35.920 --> 1:06:38.040 maybe it's the battery. Hang on a second on and 1:06:38.120 --> 1:06:40.680 he sort of goes inside and boils the kettle and 1:06:41.120 --> 1:06:43.720 sometimes it can be a bit of thick tar around 1:06:43.720 --> 1:06:46.360 the connections, you know, sort of pour some boiling water 1:06:46.440 --> 1:06:46.800 over there. 1:06:46.880 --> 1:06:48.160 Yeah, and then he. 1:06:48.640 --> 1:06:50.560 Comes around to my driver's side door and I'm in 1:06:50.600 --> 1:06:54.040 there and he just gives me this look, and I'm 1:06:54.160 --> 1:06:57.680 like what, And he just gives me this kind of 1:06:57.920 --> 1:07:00.720 rye look, a mixture of like this sort of smerk. 1:07:00.800 --> 1:07:06.640 And it also mate just goes put it into park. 1:07:08.800 --> 1:07:16.120 Oh my god, I think about that and I cringe. 1:07:16.520 --> 1:07:23.240 But look with him with cars, he had this uncanny neck, 1:07:23.280 --> 1:07:26.440 which is why he could drive cars that other guys 1:07:26.480 --> 1:07:29.680 would pop in and couldn't drive. But when it came 1:07:29.720 --> 1:07:32.880 to home cars, it's the same thing happened. And I 1:07:33.840 --> 1:07:36.640 left him home one Saturday morning and I had taken 1:07:36.680 --> 1:07:39.720 our car and gone up to Saint Andrew's Markets, the 1:07:39.720 --> 1:07:42.720 local big markets. Everybody has a ball park the car. 1:07:43.600 --> 1:07:45.840 I go into the market, so I come out, get 1:07:45.880 --> 1:07:48.160 back in the car to go home. Turn the key on, 1:07:49.160 --> 1:07:52.440 won't start. Smoke smoke pouring into the cabin. I can 1:07:52.440 --> 1:07:55.360 smell it. I turned the key on. Oh God, lifted 1:07:55.400 --> 1:07:57.720 up the bonnet, went looked, couldn't see anything. It looked underneath, 1:07:57.760 --> 1:07:59.800 couldn't see anything. Had another go smoke. 1:08:00.160 --> 1:08:00.440 God. 1:08:01.280 --> 1:08:04.440 So a couple of the young guys in the district 1:08:04.440 --> 1:08:07.600 who had worked on were working on our place, walked 1:08:07.640 --> 1:08:09.920 past and I said to them, look, I've got problems 1:08:09.960 --> 1:08:12.680 the car. You know, we go to start it and 1:08:12.680 --> 1:08:16.120 it's smoking. Oh go bebo. So they hop in and 1:08:16.360 --> 1:08:19.840 go to start smoke. They don't want to touch. They don't 1:08:19.840 --> 1:08:21.240 want to see the whole car go up one of it, 1:08:21.600 --> 1:08:24.680 you know, good holding cars go up and smoke. So 1:08:25.439 --> 1:08:27.519 I said, look, it's all right, I'll bring Peter and 1:08:27.560 --> 1:08:29.760 get him to come up. They said, yeah, I ring 1:08:29.840 --> 1:08:31.599 him to come up. So I've wrung him time. As 1:08:31.600 --> 1:08:32.960 he come up, he said, boy, what's going on? I 1:08:33.040 --> 1:08:35.200 explained to him. You know, turn the keyon smoke every 1:08:35.200 --> 1:08:38.080 wed Oh God, hops in, turns the key on, the 1:08:38.080 --> 1:08:43.760 car starts immediately, no smoke, just got the touch and 1:08:43.800 --> 1:08:47.320 the guys standing there. I'm looking there and I thought, yeah, 1:08:47.360 --> 1:08:50.959 of course. But that's the thing that he had something 1:08:51.280 --> 1:08:54.799 and I could never understand it. He had a connection 1:08:54.920 --> 1:08:59.280 where he and a car whatever car, we're just they 1:08:59.360 --> 1:09:03.760 understood each They just you know, and you sort of 1:09:04.600 --> 1:09:08.320 it's intimidating because it makes you very weary about asking 1:09:08.400 --> 1:09:10.160 him next time round. 1:09:10.240 --> 1:09:12.320 Yeah, especially when he comes along and it just switches on. 1:09:12.680 --> 1:09:15.400 He did tell me one stage, and apologies to anybody 1:09:15.439 --> 1:09:18.120 listening to this who thinks you know badly of Peter 1:09:18.200 --> 1:09:23.200 for this, but on one he didn't drink. And if 1:09:23.240 --> 1:09:24.880 he did have a drink at what he wasn't a 1:09:24.880 --> 1:09:27.120 good drinker by any means, what you'd call a two 1:09:27.160 --> 1:09:31.280 pot screamer. So I would have to drive if he 1:09:31.360 --> 1:09:33.720 had a drink, which is fine. So driving one night, 1:09:33.760 --> 1:09:36.880 and because he was a shocking back seat driver, he 1:09:36.960 --> 1:09:39.639 taught me. He gave me driving lessons for twenty eight 1:09:39.680 --> 1:09:43.120 years and I never succeeded about it. But this particular time, 1:09:43.200 --> 1:09:46.080 driving home, he's giving me an instruction and I obviously didn't. 1:09:46.120 --> 1:09:48.680 I wasn't quite perfect enough. He said, giving you a 1:09:48.680 --> 1:09:52.120 good car to drive is like feeding strawberries to pigs. 1:09:54.120 --> 1:09:54.599 Jesus. 1:09:57.080 --> 1:10:00.639 He stopped a car, slammed on the brakes, out, walked 1:10:00.640 --> 1:10:04.640 around to the passenger site. Get over there, mate. So 1:10:04.720 --> 1:10:07.280 whether he drunk or not, we weren't they far from home, 1:10:07.560 --> 1:10:13.960 but he could just say because he assumed that everybody 1:10:14.000 --> 1:10:15.240 else had that connection. 1:10:14.880 --> 1:10:15.800 With Kes and we did. 1:10:16.320 --> 1:10:16.599 Yep. 1:10:16.880 --> 1:10:17.640 It's just the way it what. 1:10:17.920 --> 1:10:20.679 It's such of a it's such a focus. I've always 1:10:20.720 --> 1:10:24.080 admired that sort of thing because when you are in 1:10:24.120 --> 1:10:26.760 a car of that capacity and you're on a race 1:10:26.800 --> 1:10:30.519 track or whatever, there's so much this focus, and there's feel, 1:10:30.600 --> 1:10:34.400 and there's so much like natural intuition when you're feeling 1:10:34.640 --> 1:10:37.840 sort of a road. It's not just it's everything all 1:10:37.880 --> 1:10:40.160 your senses. And I think that's that's one of the 1:10:40.200 --> 1:10:42.599 things about the Bathist one thousand as well. 1:10:42.640 --> 1:10:45.200 It's but that's the point of difference because everyone can 1:10:45.280 --> 1:10:47.920 have the same car, but it comes down to that 1:10:48.000 --> 1:10:50.439 next little bit, and that's it's that next little bit 1:10:50.479 --> 1:10:51.559 that gets you the win. 1:10:52.840 --> 1:10:56.040 Earlier in the piece at Colder, for example, they had 1:10:56.040 --> 1:10:58.679 a series of races where they all rove the same 1:10:58.720 --> 1:11:01.439 car with the same engine capacity and he's still won. 1:11:02.160 --> 1:11:05.200 So that's that's the key difference, right, That's that's where 1:11:05.320 --> 1:11:08.240 you're willing to take perhaps a bit more risk and 1:11:08.280 --> 1:11:10.599 you're willing to put more on the line to get 1:11:10.600 --> 1:11:12.640 that win. And that's where you're going to you're going 1:11:12.680 --> 1:11:13.840 to find the difference, you. 1:11:13.840 --> 1:11:17.160 Know with that stuff. I mean, you know, occasionally you'd 1:11:17.200 --> 1:11:20.320 get high profile sports people who get a hot lap. 1:11:20.640 --> 1:11:23.920 Surprising number of them embarrass themselves in the journey when 1:11:23.920 --> 1:11:27.120 they're getting out of the track. It was just, you know, 1:11:27.360 --> 1:11:31.920 one of those things that he could you know, I 1:11:31.920 --> 1:11:35.400 mean you look at the Baffirst where he won by 1:11:35.439 --> 1:11:38.519 six laps. I mean, it couldn't happen again because these 1:11:38.640 --> 1:11:40.519 days that you know, when you've got the safety cars 1:11:40.560 --> 1:11:42.640 and all that sort of stuff. But that was the 1:11:42.640 --> 1:11:45.920 easiest race he ever won ever drive. You know, to him, 1:11:46.120 --> 1:11:48.920 the races that meant most were the ones where he he, 1:11:49.240 --> 1:11:51.519 for what one reason or another, had to start from 1:11:51.520 --> 1:11:53.000 the back of the grid and then to come through 1:11:53.040 --> 1:11:55.480 and win that race. It's a yeah, that one's achievement. 1:11:55.520 --> 1:11:59.960 That's an achievement. But in terms of, you know, ordinary race, 1:12:01.400 --> 1:12:04.240 he was never interested in what the opposition were doing. 1:12:04.600 --> 1:12:06.760 The crew could go and find out, but he didn't care. 1:12:07.040 --> 1:12:09.960 He said, all we do is we focus on what 1:12:10.000 --> 1:12:12.720 we're doing the best we can best. I can go 1:12:12.800 --> 1:12:14.799 down the straight, the best turn, that corner the best. 1:12:15.080 --> 1:12:18.280 That's where my focus is. Nowhere else, and so he 1:12:18.400 --> 1:12:20.720 taught me about the whole thing and forget everything else. 1:12:20.760 --> 1:12:23.799 It's what you're doing right now in that now moment. 1:12:24.680 --> 1:12:28.479 And one year we had Holden had young Lions, so 1:12:28.520 --> 1:12:32.040 they were bringing the young drivers through and we and 1:12:32.160 --> 1:12:34.639 each of the leading teams had one of the young lions. 1:12:34.680 --> 1:12:38.639 So we got one and Peter was intent on teaching 1:12:38.720 --> 1:12:40.519 and talking to him all that sort of stuff. And 1:12:40.560 --> 1:12:45.120 we've walked into our caravan Tom and he's sitting there 1:12:45.160 --> 1:12:48.479 and he's got this motivational speaker with him who's making 1:12:48.560 --> 1:12:52.360 him rehearse his speech when he won the race at 1:12:52.439 --> 1:12:56.720 the end of the day, hasn't he We told her 1:12:56.720 --> 1:12:59.200 to leave and we've said to him, mate, it's not 1:12:59.280 --> 1:12:59.880 how it works. 1:13:00.520 --> 1:13:01.479 He is crazy here. 1:13:02.479 --> 1:13:05.320 That's straight round the corner, up the next straight, nowhere else. 1:13:05.360 --> 1:13:06.880 You're not thinking about the end of the race. You're 1:13:06.880 --> 1:13:10.400 thinking about here. And the guy said, yeah, great. So 1:13:10.720 --> 1:13:12.519 the warm up comes for the race before the Race 1:13:12.560 --> 1:13:14.559 of the Stars, you get a lap, we take the 1:13:14.560 --> 1:13:16.200 cars down, warm them up. What does he do it 1:13:16.200 --> 1:13:19.840 gets it coming around the top? Crang's the car? Does 1:13:19.880 --> 1:13:20.840 he get to start the race? 1:13:21.080 --> 1:13:24.240 He's busy thinking about his victory speech. It's unbelievable. 1:13:24.320 --> 1:13:28.160 And so it's opportunities like that that I you know, 1:13:28.479 --> 1:13:31.840 Peter was so profound, he was so strong with the 1:13:31.880 --> 1:13:35.000 messages that he got out and for the ones who listened, 1:13:35.000 --> 1:13:37.960 like Craig listened because he was young, they made a 1:13:38.240 --> 1:13:40.240 great thing. But there's a lot of other drivers there 1:13:40.240 --> 1:13:45.879 that were fantastic drivers, but they didn't necessarily have the engineering, 1:13:45.920 --> 1:13:50.120 no house, they didn't necessarily have patients with the media, 1:13:50.880 --> 1:13:53.880 they didn't have the fan base followings. All of those 1:13:54.080 --> 1:13:58.640 various things made a huge difference, which is why, you know, 1:13:59.160 --> 1:14:03.400 Peter and Moffin it stood out because they had more 1:14:03.439 --> 1:14:07.040 than just a driver, a driving skill. You know, it 1:14:07.439 --> 1:14:09.840 is a package. You know, as you say, there's so 1:14:09.960 --> 1:14:12.679 much going on, it's so forll On, but unless you're 1:14:13.240 --> 1:14:15.240 you know, I look at these race drivers, they're not 1:14:15.320 --> 1:14:19.759 just tuns. They are intelligent, amazing individuals who have managed 1:14:19.800 --> 1:14:23.920 to stitch together all these attributes and make something of it. 1:14:24.000 --> 1:14:27.000 Well, it seems Lownsey has done a fair job at that. 1:14:27.120 --> 1:14:29.840 Like he's really good with the media. He seems very 1:14:29.880 --> 1:14:32.160 patient and an excellent driver as well, and I think 1:14:32.160 --> 1:14:33.120 he learned a lot. 1:14:33.120 --> 1:14:36.320 He did and Peter worked really good. Yeah, I won't 1:14:36.360 --> 1:14:37.960 mention names, but there were a couple of others who 1:14:37.960 --> 1:14:41.040 didn't listen, and we're very happy to go around and 1:14:41.080 --> 1:14:44.240 criticize whenever they didn't think anyone was listening. But it 1:14:44.280 --> 1:14:45.760 had always comes back absolutely. 1:14:46.439 --> 1:14:47.600 It's a very small. 1:14:48.840 --> 1:14:49.160 Yeah. 1:14:49.240 --> 1:14:52.000 Yeah, I'm curious for there ever discussions for Peter to 1:14:52.040 --> 1:14:54.000 get into F one because I know that would have 1:14:54.040 --> 1:14:55.360 been the next logical step. Right. 1:14:55.600 --> 1:15:00.479 He drove open wheelers here. He had a an open 1:15:00.520 --> 1:15:04.200 wheeler in the category early in the piece, and his 1:15:04.320 --> 1:15:06.559 father worked on the car for it, which was great, 1:15:07.400 --> 1:15:12.040 but as he said, the fans don't support it here 1:15:12.040 --> 1:15:14.479 in Australia, sponsors don't support what's the point in miss 1:15:14.479 --> 1:15:17.760 putting all my time into this when it doesn't have 1:15:17.800 --> 1:15:20.759 the support in Australia. And you know, he was asked 1:15:20.760 --> 1:15:23.800 to race oversea. I mean he drove early back in 1:15:23.840 --> 1:15:26.880 the early seventies. He drove it to a Spa with 1:15:27.000 --> 1:15:30.400 Jerry Marshall for the English driver and you know he 1:15:30.479 --> 1:15:32.439 got a lot of requests to drive there because then 1:15:32.479 --> 1:15:34.719 we did Spa and Lemon and that sort of stuff. 1:15:35.080 --> 1:15:38.320 So he but that was driving a car that Australia 1:15:38.400 --> 1:15:40.120 is related to and therefore he had he didn't have 1:15:40.160 --> 1:15:43.680 any trouble getting sponsorship. Did he like being away from home? 1:15:43.760 --> 1:15:47.880 Absolutely not. I who was going to cook him and 1:15:47.960 --> 1:15:51.800 lays close out in the morning and put his map 1:15:52.040 --> 1:15:55.080 for He'd get his schedule for the day and I'd 1:15:55.240 --> 1:15:57.200 have it photocopied, and I have the page of the 1:15:58.360 --> 1:16:02.240 back then the road directory and have it all laying 1:16:02.280 --> 1:16:04.040 out waiting for him, so that he was up. It's 1:16:04.080 --> 1:16:06.360 the only way he could get with his change of 1:16:06.400 --> 1:16:08.880 clothes because he'd have to go from a media meeting 1:16:08.920 --> 1:16:10.720 to a board meeting to you know, so he'd have 1:16:10.760 --> 1:16:12.400 to have the full range of gears, so you'd have 1:16:12.439 --> 1:16:14.880 to lay his clothes, his information, all of that. 1:16:14.880 --> 1:16:16.840 That is amazing. He was very fortunate to have you. 1:16:16.880 --> 1:16:18.840 I mean, that's that's pretty awesome. He was. 1:16:20.200 --> 1:16:22.240 Yeah, but that's you know, I mean it was a 1:16:22.360 --> 1:16:23.000 joint venture. 1:16:23.160 --> 1:16:23.360 Yeah. 1:16:24.000 --> 1:16:26.120 And when sort of it was all coming to and 1:16:26.120 --> 1:16:27.680 he said, Bebbo, he said, I think I've taught you 1:16:27.680 --> 1:16:28.479 everything you need to know. 1:16:28.520 --> 1:16:30.559 You'll be fine, You'll be right. 1:16:31.720 --> 1:16:34.120 Yeah, Can I ask Actually, it's cool if you don't 1:16:34.120 --> 1:16:35.320 want to if you don't want to go there but 1:16:35.400 --> 1:16:39.720 that day when he was doing the Tiger West and 1:16:40.120 --> 1:16:42.880 you get that phone call about his passing. I mean, 1:16:42.920 --> 1:16:44.960 that's a phone call. Was that a phone call the 1:16:45.000 --> 1:16:46.400 way you found out it was? 1:16:46.439 --> 1:16:48.479 But I don't know who called. And it was a 1:16:48.520 --> 1:16:52.040 woman's voice, and she just said there's been an accident. 1:16:52.120 --> 1:16:54.840 And for me, in having teenage kids at the time, 1:16:54.840 --> 1:16:58.120 I'm thinking which one of the kids, And she said, no, 1:16:58.160 --> 1:17:00.799 it's not the kids. He said it's Peter. He hasn't 1:17:00.800 --> 1:17:04.320 made it and hung up the phone. And so I've 1:17:04.320 --> 1:17:06.880 got this phone call, and I'm sitting there thinking, and 1:17:07.360 --> 1:17:09.680 I've got to let the kids know. But I can 1:17:09.680 --> 1:17:11.840 hear a helicopter and I looked out the window and 1:17:12.280 --> 1:17:14.880 the cars and so the media landing in the paddock, 1:17:14.920 --> 1:17:17.960 that driving up the drive. The camera's wearing. I've got 1:17:18.000 --> 1:17:21.000 to go out and talk to them. And I hadn't 1:17:21.000 --> 1:17:25.160 told the kids. So Jamie, the eldest, was doing an 1:17:25.200 --> 1:17:29.559 interview with somebody for a magazine and the guy doing 1:17:29.560 --> 1:17:32.120 the interview got the phone call and Jamie was saying, 1:17:32.280 --> 1:17:34.120 just look at this guy. He's gone white. He didn't 1:17:34.120 --> 1:17:37.960 even what's wrong. The guy had to tell him. Rob 1:17:38.240 --> 1:17:43.360 worked with He's soon to be fiance at computer Share 1:17:44.120 --> 1:17:45.599 so I could ring her and get her to tell 1:17:45.680 --> 1:17:48.080 him and Alexander had gone to the movie's gone to 1:17:48.120 --> 1:17:49.920 see a goal. All she'd said was she'd gone to 1:17:49.960 --> 1:17:52.320 a gold Star movie and I knew what movie it was, 1:17:52.360 --> 1:17:54.479 so I had to look and find out and get her. 1:17:55.560 --> 1:17:57.320 When she gets out of there, her phone's going to 1:17:57.320 --> 1:17:59.880 get So I got a girlfriend to go and sit, 1:18:00.640 --> 1:18:04.639 track down, sit outside. So you don't get the privilege 1:18:04.680 --> 1:18:07.920 when you got a public profile, you don't get the 1:18:07.920 --> 1:18:10.559 privilege where you had no private time. And we're no 1:18:10.680 --> 1:18:16.680 sooner dealt with that, and the funeral comes and you're 1:18:16.720 --> 1:18:20.000 sitting there and then the media stuff for the will 1:18:20.400 --> 1:18:25.200 went on for nearly two years. So it was excuse me, 1:18:25.280 --> 1:18:28.240 it was shit time. It was not an easy time. 1:18:28.520 --> 1:18:32.480 And in that time, do you have time to yourself? 1:18:32.960 --> 1:18:35.040 Does it take it? Is it years after where you 1:18:35.080 --> 1:18:38.720 can sort of sit down and process it? Is there? 1:18:39.520 --> 1:18:43.000 Look, The interesting thing is i was teaching life skills 1:18:43.040 --> 1:18:47.280 at the local community living and Learning center, and I'm 1:18:47.280 --> 1:18:49.400 thinking about my kids, and I'm thinking about the fact 1:18:49.400 --> 1:18:51.840 that I'm teaching life skills how to cope and stress, 1:18:51.840 --> 1:18:54.400 and I feel if I stuffed. If I fall apart now, 1:18:55.160 --> 1:18:57.000 I'm not going to be an example for my kids 1:18:57.120 --> 1:19:00.559 and I will have no right to teach life schools 1:19:00.920 --> 1:19:04.120 because if you can't manage it. So the whole time, 1:19:04.120 --> 1:19:06.559 I've got this conversation going on in my head. You 1:19:06.640 --> 1:19:09.000 have to do this, you have to stay on top, 1:19:09.080 --> 1:19:12.080 you have to do all that. But then you know, 1:19:12.840 --> 1:19:15.639 also had to sell the farm, all the legal stuff. 1:19:15.680 --> 1:19:18.160 There were five six legal teams working on all this stuff, 1:19:18.160 --> 1:19:23.120 and you just it just was an ongoing nightmare. You know, 1:19:23.160 --> 1:19:25.600 you just it's a debarcle that, but you don't have 1:19:25.640 --> 1:19:27.880 any choice. It's there. You've got to deal with it. 1:19:27.960 --> 1:19:31.479 So, yeah, these processes are meant to make stuff simple, 1:19:31.520 --> 1:19:32.200 but they don't. 1:19:32.280 --> 1:19:32.960 Definitely don't. 1:19:32.960 --> 1:19:37.479 They don't. And for me, I have to be completely honest. 1:19:37.520 --> 1:19:41.360 The media were amazing. They hated what they were having 1:19:41.400 --> 1:19:42.720 to do, but there was a job they had to 1:19:42.760 --> 1:19:46.599 do it. And you know the other there was two 1:19:46.680 --> 1:19:50.000 slight examples where one woman from Sydney and one was 1:19:50.240 --> 1:19:53.880 a go here in Melbourne that were a little bit off. 1:19:53.960 --> 1:19:58.200 But I have been given a really good run by 1:19:58.240 --> 1:20:01.479 little media. So and because they appreciated the awkward situation, 1:20:01.560 --> 1:20:04.160 I was in, so you know, they've been very kind. 1:20:04.200 --> 1:20:07.160 So yeah, okay, you were talking about this just before 1:20:07.280 --> 1:20:09.360 you came in, but we're talking about the fact that say, 1:20:09.360 --> 1:20:15.240 Target Tazzy has been paused and Target all together all together. Yeah, yeah, 1:20:15.439 --> 1:20:16.559 how do you feel about that? 1:20:16.760 --> 1:20:20.360 On one hand, I'm torn because you know, people and 1:20:20.640 --> 1:20:23.960 say guys, and I'm not meaning you know, but it's 1:20:24.000 --> 1:20:27.000 more men, far more men than what women do. You know, 1:20:27.520 --> 1:20:33.800 that's the reality. They are adrenaline driven junkies, most of them, 1:20:34.040 --> 1:20:35.880 and they enjoy that, then they should be able to 1:20:35.880 --> 1:20:40.640 do it. But if, as Target Tazzy has shown of 1:20:40.800 --> 1:20:44.200 late that you know, it's lost, far too many could 1:20:44.280 --> 1:20:47.200 drive its that conditions are not what they need to be. 1:20:48.120 --> 1:20:51.360 I feel very much for the families when the drivers 1:20:51.439 --> 1:20:53.240 or the navigators and that lose their life. I feel 1:20:53.280 --> 1:20:56.599 for them because I know what they're going through. I 1:20:56.680 --> 1:20:59.200 hated it when people said to me, but he died 1:20:59.240 --> 1:21:02.240 doing what he loved. What a load of toss. I mean, 1:21:02.280 --> 1:21:07.280 here's this guy who's taught class driving all these years. 1:21:07.439 --> 1:21:12.080 He's the five face all of these things about responsible 1:21:12.120 --> 1:21:15.800 and class driving and being watching what you do on 1:21:15.840 --> 1:21:19.080 the road. For him to have died in that fashion 1:21:19.280 --> 1:21:22.080 would have been the most embarrassing thing for him ever. 1:21:22.400 --> 1:21:25.120 And so it pissed me off when people would say, oh, 1:21:25.160 --> 1:21:28.880 but he died doing what he loved. Absolute toss. Absolute toss, 1:21:28.880 --> 1:21:32.760 because six weeks before he died, he had wrung me 1:21:33.120 --> 1:21:38.040 and had told me that he was sorry he had 1:21:38.040 --> 1:21:41.960 failed as a partner, as a father, as a member 1:21:41.960 --> 1:21:46.200 of the community, had never contributed anything worthwhile, and he 1:21:46.240 --> 1:21:50.040 absolutely believed that it was sad because we didn't see 1:21:50.080 --> 1:21:51.760 it that way. We didn't see him as failure in 1:21:51.800 --> 1:21:53.240 any way. I mean, I don't know how he did 1:21:53.400 --> 1:21:57.320 all the things he did, but it just gave me 1:21:57.439 --> 1:22:01.599 the inkliner in understanding that it People were not talking 1:22:01.680 --> 1:22:05.240 about mental illness in sport. That was only just starting 1:22:05.240 --> 1:22:09.599 that when we're talking sixteen years ago. So the fact 1:22:09.640 --> 1:22:14.560 that he was retiring and didn't want to. He was 1:22:14.600 --> 1:22:19.960 a peter pan, perpetual young thing that was big enough 1:22:20.000 --> 1:22:23.800 on its own, and he didn't. He said to me, 1:22:24.080 --> 1:22:26.000 the reason he'd wrung me was to actually tell me 1:22:26.120 --> 1:22:29.960 that he had finally retired. He was it, That was it? 1:22:30.000 --> 1:22:32.400 No more bevo, He said, I know it would mean 1:22:32.479 --> 1:22:36.000 more to you to hear that than anybody else, and 1:22:36.680 --> 1:22:38.400 you know, he said all the other things. So that's fine. 1:22:39.240 --> 1:22:41.439 But then the day that I find out he's died, 1:22:41.520 --> 1:22:43.360 I found out he's in that event. We didn't even 1:22:43.400 --> 1:22:45.400 know he was in the event. He hadn't had the 1:22:45.439 --> 1:22:49.479 courage to tell us because he'd already broken to us 1:22:49.520 --> 1:22:53.840 that he retired. And so whatever it was that convinced 1:22:53.920 --> 1:22:59.120 him to go out and have one more go was 1:22:59.280 --> 1:23:01.080 who was he trying to prove it to himself? He 1:23:01.080 --> 1:23:05.120 didn't need to prove anything to prove and you know, 1:23:05.200 --> 1:23:07.439 to go in the way he did. You know, you 1:23:07.600 --> 1:23:10.960 just look and you think, well, it's also wrong, but 1:23:11.000 --> 1:23:11.479 it's real. 1:23:11.520 --> 1:23:13.920 That's what happens when. 1:23:13.720 --> 1:23:17.320 You say about targer, you know, limiting and that. Yeah, 1:23:17.760 --> 1:23:20.439 there is a time when they have to you know, 1:23:20.720 --> 1:23:25.200 set some regulations. You can't simply have people continually work. 1:23:25.320 --> 1:23:28.519 I mean, the safety gear is what they wear, the 1:23:28.600 --> 1:23:31.320 way the cars are built. There shouldn't be any deaths. 1:23:31.120 --> 1:23:33.479 Exactly in the sport at all. And that's the thing. 1:23:33.840 --> 1:23:36.880 Somebody with Peter's skill, if they can die in an 1:23:36.920 --> 1:23:39.400 event like that, that means that an average Joe who's 1:23:39.400 --> 1:23:40.200 gone and spend. 1:23:40.160 --> 1:23:43.760 A couple Yeah, a lot of wealthy people that hobbyists 1:23:43.840 --> 1:23:44.120 or so. 1:23:44.280 --> 1:23:46.840 Following that I got I did a lot of public 1:23:46.840 --> 1:23:52.800 speaking with road safety. I was on the patron for 1:23:52.840 --> 1:23:56.320 the Road Trauma Association and i'd go up to with 1:23:56.400 --> 1:23:59.639 the Australian Road Safety Foundation. I'd go up and we'd 1:23:59.680 --> 1:24:02.320 talk do safety talks in the minds up from Coeensland 1:24:02.360 --> 1:24:04.880 and stuff like that. And the thing for me, the 1:24:04.920 --> 1:24:07.439 way I would put it across is, look, here's somebody 1:24:07.479 --> 1:24:10.160 who is seen to be the best drita in top 1:24:10.240 --> 1:24:14.719 competitive sport in Australia, thirteenth in the world wide best ones. 1:24:15.240 --> 1:24:16.880 And I said, and he can still lose his life. 1:24:16.920 --> 1:24:19.240 So you guys, let's look at this and see what 1:24:19.360 --> 1:24:21.559 it is you've got to change to make sure that 1:24:21.680 --> 1:24:23.840 you don't put your families in the situation that we 1:24:23.920 --> 1:24:26.400 found out. So when you can get it down to 1:24:26.520 --> 1:24:31.719 those basic things, it can sometimes penetrate and make a difference. 1:24:32.280 --> 1:24:36.040 So if out of something that really sucks, you can 1:24:36.080 --> 1:24:39.360 turn something if in any way it can stop somebody 1:24:39.400 --> 1:24:43.679 else from decision. So I look at target and things 1:24:43.720 --> 1:24:46.080 like that. Nothing, Well I'm out. I've got nothing to 1:24:46.080 --> 1:24:48.679 do with the decision making. But please be careful. 1:24:49.360 --> 1:24:52.719 Well it's such an interesting race too, because there's nothing 1:24:53.160 --> 1:24:57.639 that you know these targets. They're really individual style races. 1:24:57.680 --> 1:24:59.400 I mean the fact that you're going through small country 1:24:59.400 --> 1:25:03.320 towns roads. It's like a hay bail sort of barrier 1:25:04.479 --> 1:25:07.799 and you can just go at it like a wild person. 1:25:08.160 --> 1:25:10.360 But it's very different to a racetrack. At a racetrack 1:25:10.479 --> 1:25:13.840 you have so much safety. You've got runoff areas. Some 1:25:13.960 --> 1:25:16.400 of these places, you've got trees both sides of the road. 1:25:16.680 --> 1:25:19.720 The weather can change very quickly, so you know the 1:25:19.760 --> 1:25:21.760 car ahead could be in a different road condition to use. 1:25:21.800 --> 1:25:23.880 Someone can spill oil, which you don't even know about 1:25:23.960 --> 1:25:24.679 until you get there. 1:25:25.080 --> 1:25:27.280 There's just so many variables that you don't have at 1:25:27.280 --> 1:25:27.879 a racetrack. 1:25:28.040 --> 1:25:30.960 And yeah, look to me, I've done a couple of 1:25:30.960 --> 1:25:34.439 those events, just an enturing stages which are speed limited, 1:25:34.479 --> 1:25:37.120 and even that, to me, I'm definitely not a race drive, 1:25:37.160 --> 1:25:39.720 but sort of you know, white knuckled. I can't even 1:25:39.720 --> 1:25:41.000 imagine what it would be like when there is no 1:25:41.080 --> 1:25:43.800 speed limit and you're up against a clock like you are. 1:25:44.439 --> 1:25:47.559 You are wanting to go fast, but it's well. 1:25:47.439 --> 1:25:51.000 Where Peter METI's end. It was just up the road 1:25:51.040 --> 1:25:52.760 from where I grew up with this as king, oh 1:25:52.960 --> 1:25:55.080 you're kid, and I was asked to go back at number. 1:25:55.520 --> 1:25:57.960 I'm not good, No thanks, no way. I don't need 1:25:58.000 --> 1:26:02.280 to be seeing that it's just you. And at Bathurst, 1:26:02.320 --> 1:26:05.799 I was up there a couple of weeks ago because 1:26:05.840 --> 1:26:10.840 my middle son lives on Conrod Straight and so I 1:26:10.880 --> 1:26:13.080 went up there because his kids came down from Queensland 1:26:13.080 --> 1:26:15.400 for holidays. So I went up spent a couple of 1:26:15.439 --> 1:26:19.800 days up there and had another visitor who's a gold 1:26:19.840 --> 1:26:23.400 medal winner at the Olympics, came up to visit me 1:26:23.439 --> 1:26:26.439 and took him on a lap around. I said, no, 1:26:26.520 --> 1:26:32.360 you're driving, and just he was absolutely. You know when 1:26:32.400 --> 1:26:34.880 you've come across skyline and you're getting down through the 1:26:34.880 --> 1:26:39.000 ass and oh god, it scares hell out of most people, 1:26:39.439 --> 1:26:41.519 and yet they just freeze through your notes. 1:26:41.560 --> 1:26:42.360 Well, that's the thing. 1:26:42.439 --> 1:26:45.120 If you haven't been there, you don't know the elevation changes, 1:26:45.320 --> 1:26:48.719 and the elevation change is ridiculous. You are literally climbing 1:26:48.760 --> 1:26:51.960 a steep road and they're flying through there. It is 1:26:52.000 --> 1:26:54.479 a remarkable track, and I think you look at tracks 1:26:54.479 --> 1:26:57.160 around the world, nothing else really compares to it. And 1:26:57.160 --> 1:27:01.439 they're actually having discussions at the moment at Spa with 1:27:01.880 --> 1:27:05.320 that second batters Yeah, and then Hockenheim. 1:27:05.560 --> 1:27:08.679 You know, I mean Spa is an amazing track out 1:27:08.680 --> 1:27:10.360 in the forest and all that is beautiful. 1:27:11.200 --> 1:27:13.360 They're talking about the safety stuff there at the moment 1:27:13.400 --> 1:27:15.760 as well, because they're constantly losing people there. 1:27:15.800 --> 1:27:19.000 You know, we well, last twenty four hour race, we 1:27:19.080 --> 1:27:22.360 did Oh my god, that's the pits were as you 1:27:22.400 --> 1:27:27.000 come up the hill. Then basic rules were non existent. 1:27:27.760 --> 1:27:31.280 We had in our pits, had a forty four fuel 1:27:31.920 --> 1:27:34.560 gallon fuel and on top of that a bit of 1:27:34.560 --> 1:27:36.479 wood and a chair and I'd sit on the chair 1:27:36.520 --> 1:27:40.439 to do the timing. But then the corporate hospitality was 1:27:40.479 --> 1:27:44.519 above and somebody and somebody dropped the umbrella hit me 1:27:44.560 --> 1:27:47.880 on the top of the head. When the cars coming in, 1:27:47.920 --> 1:27:50.120 I'd have to find a way leap down off this 1:27:50.760 --> 1:27:54.080 structure to go in and get the food to feed 1:27:54.120 --> 1:27:56.920 them all. In the moments with the pits, it just 1:27:57.920 --> 1:28:01.040 Spa was. You know, you could wear what girlies in 1:28:01.080 --> 1:28:04.320 their bikinis and wander along into the pit area and 1:28:04.360 --> 1:28:07.200 you just for our guys to get to the car. 1:28:07.400 --> 1:28:09.800 They developed a technique. They had a long bit of rope. 1:28:09.800 --> 1:28:11.080 One would stand in front of the car and one 1:28:11.120 --> 1:28:12.479 at the back, and it'd be laying on the ground 1:28:12.479 --> 1:28:14.160 and when they needed them they had to pull the 1:28:14.240 --> 1:28:17.320 rope tight and it it just toss all these clever 1:28:17.640 --> 1:28:21.200 little dollies in their bikinis and out of the way. 1:28:21.439 --> 1:28:30.639 Just spa was a very very unique situation. Very but again, 1:28:31.520 --> 1:28:33.519 how many people in their life can find you know, 1:28:33.560 --> 1:28:37.439 for somebody like me who grew up barefooted, horse and 1:28:37.479 --> 1:28:42.400 cart ends up meeting going to the most amazing places, 1:28:42.439 --> 1:28:44.920 meeting the most amazing people, doing the most amazing things. 1:28:45.240 --> 1:28:46.880 So when people say to me, I feel sorry for 1:28:46.920 --> 1:28:50.160 you've done it. I've had the best life. Has it 1:28:50.280 --> 1:28:50.839 been perfect? 1:28:51.439 --> 1:28:51.639 No? 1:28:51.800 --> 1:28:54.680 I mean who has a perfect line. We're all going 1:28:54.720 --> 1:28:57.800 to die eventually, that's the reality. 1:28:58.120 --> 1:29:00.160 If you could see that, if you could see the 1:29:00.200 --> 1:29:02.240 life on a board, would there be anything you change? 1:29:02.560 --> 1:29:08.000 No? Not really. I mean there are a few people 1:29:08.040 --> 1:29:12.519 that probably choose not to overly have a presence in 1:29:12.560 --> 1:29:14.960 my life. But other than that, No. 1:29:15.920 --> 1:29:17.880 Just before you came in as well, I was having 1:29:17.920 --> 1:29:21.519 a bit of a laugh with Gordy. I know that 1:29:21.720 --> 1:29:25.920 you mentioned before the situation with you know, with sponsors 1:29:26.200 --> 1:29:29.000 and needing to make ends meet. How do you find 1:29:29.120 --> 1:29:33.000 people who are using Peter's name to make a buck? 1:29:33.960 --> 1:29:35.879 Because we found plain of our existence. 1:29:35.880 --> 1:29:37.840 I found this on carsle so one and a half 1:29:37.920 --> 1:29:41.080 million bucks for a VX Series two manual. 1:29:41.080 --> 1:29:42.600 That I don't you don't have to give it to 1:29:42.640 --> 1:29:44.160 me any closer. Do you know his car that way? 1:29:45.120 --> 1:29:48.320 It's Roberts, our middle son's car, right, Peter bought it 1:29:48.880 --> 1:29:53.080 for him, and so therefore Peter's name is on THEOIC 1:29:53.400 --> 1:29:57.880 the invoice certificate. Interesting and it's it was a very 1:29:58.160 --> 1:29:58.720 or card. 1:29:58.840 --> 1:30:01.040 Well that's what I thought. It was a V six manual. 1:30:02.680 --> 1:30:04.360 Dead in a V six manual exactly. 1:30:05.000 --> 1:30:07.080 It was for Rob to get around it, and he 1:30:07.160 --> 1:30:12.400 actually had a head on our driveway with Catherine's boyfriend. 1:30:12.960 --> 1:30:15.440 He was coming up and Rob was going down and 1:30:15.640 --> 1:30:21.040 they which was thank you for that, and yeah that 1:30:21.200 --> 1:30:23.160 was that was somebody else we had living in that much. 1:30:23.720 --> 1:30:26.679 And so we had to change our drive from being 1:30:26.680 --> 1:30:28.760 a one way to a big loop so that that 1:30:28.800 --> 1:30:31.720 didn't happen to busy. But that when Rob when they 1:30:31.760 --> 1:30:33.439 got in touch with him and said that somebody wandered 1:30:33.520 --> 1:30:35.879 that they wanted a million and a half. We just laughed. 1:30:36.800 --> 1:30:40.439 Absolutely the number of times I have to authenticate and 1:30:40.560 --> 1:30:43.000 go through and a lot of them have faired income. 1:30:43.120 --> 1:30:46.439 But there are some there that one guy wanted me 1:30:46.479 --> 1:30:49.080 to sign because often it's the glove box because I 1:30:49.120 --> 1:30:51.320 do quite a few car shows and that sort of stuff. 1:30:51.439 --> 1:30:55.960 That's and I get I signed cars. I personally think 1:30:56.000 --> 1:30:59.160 it's taking turning down the car a bit, but people 1:30:59.200 --> 1:31:00.920 still want me to sign. So it's a glove box lit. 1:31:01.000 --> 1:31:02.720 So this guy gets in touch with me. He wants 1:31:02.760 --> 1:31:04.600 me to sign the glob. Yeah, that's fine. So he 1:31:04.640 --> 1:31:07.880 lives in Diamond Creek. Apparently gives me the address, see 1:31:07.880 --> 1:31:09.800 you at ten o'clock on Saturday. So I go there 1:31:09.840 --> 1:31:11.960 to the address ten o'clock Saturday morning, knock on the door. 1:31:13.400 --> 1:31:15.640 Bloke's not there. The woman, the woman who lives in 1:31:16.360 --> 1:31:19.639 so and so. Never heard of them. It's a beggar. 1:31:19.720 --> 1:31:22.280 Pardon I was told to come here at two o'clock. No, 1:31:22.439 --> 1:31:25.400 that's our name. We've lived here for years. And I'm 1:31:25.400 --> 1:31:27.800 thinking I've walked out and I've got my texture in 1:31:27.840 --> 1:31:31.000 my hand, and this bloke comes out from behind a tree. 1:31:31.640 --> 1:31:34.680 I've just picked somebody's place to where he can hide. 1:31:34.520 --> 1:31:36.479 Because he thinks that you'll think it's okay because it's 1:31:36.479 --> 1:31:37.040 just down the road. 1:31:37.080 --> 1:31:37.320 Sort of. 1:31:38.000 --> 1:31:42.439 I believe it's sign it because if they've got to 1:31:42.479 --> 1:31:45.519 sign on, whether it's a glove box, whether it's in 1:31:45.600 --> 1:31:47.960 the engine, no matter what it is, it adds a 1:31:48.000 --> 1:31:50.960 bit of a graceful the number of people who have 1:31:51.120 --> 1:31:53.720 wanted to buy my car it was your car and 1:31:53.720 --> 1:31:56.240 they wanted the extra insurance and it's going to cost 1:31:56.280 --> 1:31:58.720 this much. I think, what for a car I drove 1:31:58.760 --> 1:31:59.439 for two weeks. 1:32:00.640 --> 1:32:00.960 You know. 1:32:01.320 --> 1:32:05.680 It's funny Peter signature as well, because my mates went 1:32:05.760 --> 1:32:09.720 to a car show, whether it be the Melbourne Car 1:32:09.800 --> 1:32:13.839 Show whatever. I hadn't long been dating Alex at the time, 1:32:14.240 --> 1:32:17.280 and my my rat bag mates went up to him 1:32:17.320 --> 1:32:25.800 and go where Gordy's mates And he goes, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:32:26.000 --> 1:32:28.559 he wants to get a Tarana, which is true, and 1:32:29.720 --> 1:32:31.840 he's got he gets this poster and he goes, hang 1:32:31.880 --> 1:32:34.400 on a second and he just goes to hear Gordy 1:32:35.000 --> 1:32:43.240 forget Tarana's keep with the swift. And then I'd seen 1:32:43.320 --> 1:32:45.640 him that day and he just looked at me and 1:32:45.720 --> 1:32:48.240 pointed and I said, what he goes, You don't know 1:32:48.320 --> 1:32:53.200 you you'll find out. My mates with this just couldn't 1:32:53.200 --> 1:32:56.160 wait to come over and show me this post so good. 1:32:56.200 --> 1:33:00.320 In terms of cars, which is really supposedly what this 1:33:00.360 --> 1:33:03.439 is largely about. At one point in time, and I 1:33:03.479 --> 1:33:06.280 hadn't been living down here in Melbourne all that long. 1:33:07.880 --> 1:33:11.920 Peter was running in the Alpine Rally and I was 1:33:11.960 --> 1:33:13.400 to drive up. He had been up the other day 1:33:13.439 --> 1:33:17.519 or so beforehand. Well, Commodore was just about to be released. 1:33:17.520 --> 1:33:19.920 It hadn't been released, but Peter had one of the 1:33:19.920 --> 1:33:21.840 pre release cars as a test car. 1:33:22.439 --> 1:33:23.320 And what year was this? 1:33:24.160 --> 1:33:26.880 It has to be back in seventy years yep, six 1:33:27.040 --> 1:33:31.880 seventy seven or something. So I've got his road car 1:33:31.960 --> 1:33:33.880 and I'm driving up to meet them up there on 1:33:33.960 --> 1:33:38.439 the on the Saturday, halfway through the rally. So I've 1:33:38.439 --> 1:33:42.280 headed off in this Commodore and not taking the full 1:33:42.320 --> 1:33:45.880 im peptop it, and I'm heading up towards Seymour and 1:33:45.920 --> 1:33:47.840 these two young guys in the car behind me have 1:33:47.960 --> 1:33:52.720 seen new car pre release, and so I'm coming up 1:33:52.760 --> 1:33:54.400 right I'm a bumper, and they're looking and pulling right 1:33:54.439 --> 1:33:57.479 inside and I'm looking and I'm freaking, and I'm thinking. 1:33:57.640 --> 1:34:00.680 So I've put my foot down and taken off and 1:34:00.720 --> 1:34:04.559 out from behind a tree sets of policeman with a thing. 1:34:04.760 --> 1:34:05.080 Stop. 1:34:06.880 --> 1:34:10.600 So I've pulled over, I've stopped, and he booked me 1:34:10.680 --> 1:34:12.519 for doing one hundred and ten K. 1:34:13.720 --> 1:34:14.920 And I said, well, what about it? 1:34:15.479 --> 1:34:19.160 I say, for Haldway, what about the guys who were 1:34:19.160 --> 1:34:21.559 hassling me? They didn't I know, we hadn't seen those. 1:34:22.040 --> 1:34:26.200 So apparently the helicopter up there right sees a car speeding, 1:34:26.320 --> 1:34:28.960 get calls down to the cop steps out behind a tree, stopped, 1:34:29.000 --> 1:34:35.360 so I get a I get a speeding fight exceeding 1:34:35.400 --> 1:34:38.559 one hundred K. Blah blah blah blah blah, and forget that, 1:34:38.640 --> 1:34:41.320 put it, put it aside, go up up there for 1:34:41.360 --> 1:34:44.280 the rally, come home come Monday morning. I thought, this 1:34:44.439 --> 1:34:49.439 is pre computer days. Maybe it's wise that I actually 1:34:49.479 --> 1:34:53.519 go in and get my license changed to a Victorian life, 1:34:54.680 --> 1:34:57.360 which I did, because that's what people do when you're 1:34:57.360 --> 1:35:01.840 moving a state. I now had a Victorian license in 1:35:01.960 --> 1:35:05.960 the new South Wales. License never came out of my 1:35:06.000 --> 1:35:10.080 handbag again, so I was very naughty. But it shows 1:35:10.120 --> 1:35:12.720 the impact and these days you don't see that. But 1:35:12.760 --> 1:35:14.880 back then, when a new car, a new model. It 1:35:15.000 --> 1:35:17.559 was big interest and everybody wanted to see you. 1:35:17.560 --> 1:35:22.479 Know well, I mean, Australian manufacturing is non exist dead now. 1:35:23.240 --> 1:35:25.360 We film a lot of our content at lang Lang, 1:35:25.439 --> 1:35:30.240 the old old moving ground. You've got some history there. 1:35:30.280 --> 1:35:32.960 That place has been around for ages. It's sad to 1:35:33.000 --> 1:35:36.719 me personally that that's going to disappear. Someday it's ready 1:35:36.720 --> 1:35:39.000 on the market today housing it'll be. 1:35:40.240 --> 1:35:41.479 Blocking units or something. 1:35:42.040 --> 1:35:46.320 I just feel like, you know, Holden, while it was Australian, 1:35:46.360 --> 1:35:48.040 it sort of worked well, but there was always that 1:35:48.120 --> 1:35:52.160 American overlord. And then now that they've killed it, they've 1:35:52.200 --> 1:35:54.479 taken all the history with them. No one knows where 1:35:54.479 --> 1:35:57.679 any of these documents are, Like, it's all just gone. 1:35:57.760 --> 1:36:00.240 And I just feel like it's just such a big 1:36:00.280 --> 1:36:01.400 loss and such a shame. 1:36:01.960 --> 1:36:04.440 I think that when I when I watched bath As too. Yeah, 1:36:04.439 --> 1:36:04.920 it's sad. 1:36:05.120 --> 1:36:08.479 It is the day Ford announced publicly that they were 1:36:08.479 --> 1:36:13.720 stopping manufacturing. I'm looking after Peter's uncle Sandy because the 1:36:13.720 --> 1:36:15.559 heath farm was next door to ours, and we see 1:36:15.880 --> 1:36:18.240 look out the back window and see this fire down 1:36:18.880 --> 1:36:21.120 the paddic. It's that So we've popped in the car 1:36:21.160 --> 1:36:24.280 and driven down the side road and there's a Ford 1:36:24.320 --> 1:36:28.760 and late model Forward in the gate on fire. The gate, 1:36:28.920 --> 1:36:32.880 the posters burnt down, the cars burnt brand New Ford, 1:36:32.920 --> 1:36:38.040 and they've chosen a Brock gateway to set fire to 1:36:38.160 --> 1:36:43.120 their Forward because they're no longer manufactured. I've got this. 1:36:43.160 --> 1:36:45.000 Photo of some weird protests. 1:36:46.080 --> 1:36:49.760 Well why else would it happen? Yeah, exactly, exactly how 1:36:49.840 --> 1:36:52.080 odd it was the weirdest thing. But there you go. 1:36:52.880 --> 1:36:54.040 That is so interesting. 1:36:54.400 --> 1:36:56.240 Before we wrap, do you have a Do you have 1:36:56.280 --> 1:36:57.599 a favorite car of Peter's? 1:36:57.680 --> 1:36:58.479 Do I have one? 1:36:58.640 --> 1:37:01.080 Yeah? Sorry? Do you in my mind? 1:37:01.160 --> 1:37:01.320 Yeah? 1:37:01.400 --> 1:37:05.240 Yeah, not in ownership. I wish Do you have it here? 1:37:05.320 --> 1:37:06.559 Can you sign it for us? 1:37:06.840 --> 1:37:09.080 If you could sign the boot, my mate's going to 1:37:09.160 --> 1:37:11.120 come out of the bushy diamond freakn pick it up. 1:37:12.520 --> 1:37:16.200 But there are some amazing cars. Even there was a 1:37:16.200 --> 1:37:19.360 beautiful Toodle Bannaro which he had when that Manara where 1:37:19.439 --> 1:37:23.040 Scott re released. You know, I had big Manara written 1:37:23.080 --> 1:37:24.080 up on the side. I think it was a four 1:37:24.120 --> 1:37:27.639 two seven, I can't tell, But there was some amazing here. 1:37:28.600 --> 1:37:31.200 The Manaro that he got was a particular paint job. 1:37:31.320 --> 1:37:34.840 It was beautiful that I loved that car, but he 1:37:35.960 --> 1:37:39.400 because he changed. He built so many cars. I'd get 1:37:39.439 --> 1:37:43.360 them for brief time. But at one stage there was 1:37:43.400 --> 1:37:48.920 a I had a beautiful Blue Statesman that I really 1:37:49.000 --> 1:37:52.040 enjoyed driving, and a couple of years ago somebody had 1:37:52.080 --> 1:37:54.479 rung up and knew that that was my car and 1:37:54.520 --> 1:37:56.080 they were going to pay this amount of money and 1:37:56.080 --> 1:37:59.160 that was going to cost them as much to ensure it. Seriously. Okay, 1:37:59.200 --> 1:38:02.160 but that's fine, what story go. There was that one, 1:38:02.200 --> 1:38:04.840 but a lot of his development cars he would actually 1:38:04.960 --> 1:38:08.599 keep because for long well when I say keep, maybe 1:38:08.600 --> 1:38:10.920 it last a couple of months. But he would do 1:38:10.960 --> 1:38:13.080 the development and he'd go into work and on the 1:38:13.120 --> 1:38:15.000 way and he'd be thinking all these things, Okay, guys, 1:38:15.000 --> 1:38:16.320 what we did? You say, need to remove it? And 1:38:16.360 --> 1:38:19.640 now we're going to do this. This isn't guys, And 1:38:19.880 --> 1:38:22.080 Homer had come and that would go on, and so 1:38:22.240 --> 1:38:24.519 of a nighttime come on with a test run. So 1:38:25.520 --> 1:38:27.720 he'd do it in the dark, and because out near 1:38:27.960 --> 1:38:30.200 the farm, out in the hills, there was a big properties, 1:38:30.240 --> 1:38:32.680 no traffic, roads and that sort of stuff, and if 1:38:32.680 --> 1:38:34.559 you did it on night it was safer because you 1:38:34.560 --> 1:38:36.800 could see headlights, the glow from headlights so you could 1:38:36.840 --> 1:38:41.400 do a test run. So it was always that the 1:38:41.479 --> 1:38:44.400 test runs make sure that it's all going right and 1:38:44.439 --> 1:38:49.000 so forth. So this constant changeover of cars was enormous. 1:38:49.520 --> 1:38:53.400 But then when he was not with Holden and went 1:38:53.479 --> 1:38:56.840 with Volvo, I got new Volvo cars on the right, 1:38:57.479 --> 1:39:00.200 and then I had BMW and they'd change used to 1:39:00.240 --> 1:39:02.800 be in W. I'd get a new little BMW every 1:39:02.800 --> 1:39:06.880 months and that was pretty good. So despite the fact 1:39:06.880 --> 1:39:09.880 that I good cars were wasted on me and his idea, 1:39:10.000 --> 1:39:14.320 I actually had a lot of cars a short period 1:39:14.360 --> 1:39:17.519 of time. And so that it surprises me when people 1:39:18.000 --> 1:39:19.960 seem to think that because I sat my butt in 1:39:19.960 --> 1:39:21.400 a car and drove it for a couple of months 1:39:21.439 --> 1:39:24.120 that somehow it's worth more money. I'd understand if it 1:39:24.160 --> 1:39:28.559 was him. But anything, the Brock name is just what 1:39:28.720 --> 1:39:34.200 they It's just. And I deal with a guy in 1:39:34.280 --> 1:39:38.280 South Australia who's a policeman who got in touch with 1:39:38.320 --> 1:39:42.240 me because the car he was buying and he wasn't 1:39:42.240 --> 1:39:45.559 one hundred percent sure about its sporacity. And when I 1:39:45.680 --> 1:39:48.559 looked into him, no, mate, this is not a genuine article. 1:39:48.960 --> 1:39:52.120 The build number has been stolen off a plate from 1:39:52.160 --> 1:39:54.800 a car that was crashed, so he's taken it upon 1:39:54.840 --> 1:39:58.639 himself to look after people find out more. 1:39:58.640 --> 1:40:00.960 That was awesome, right, I love that because people get 1:40:01.000 --> 1:40:05.120 scammed so often with authenticity stuff, you know, and for 1:40:05.160 --> 1:40:08.320 someone who generally wants it as a collectible item, they're 1:40:08.320 --> 1:40:09.639 willing to pay big money for it. 1:40:10.000 --> 1:40:13.160 I'm not happy to see somebody lose money on good 1:40:13.160 --> 1:40:16.320 money when they decent people aren't so And I feel 1:40:16.360 --> 1:40:19.000 sorry sometimes for the people who want their car authenticated 1:40:19.080 --> 1:40:23.080 because they bought it believing it was and they now 1:40:23.120 --> 1:40:25.000 think they're going to get a million dollars for their car, 1:40:25.080 --> 1:40:27.840 and mate, it's like anything else, it's going to be 1:40:27.840 --> 1:40:29.799 worth eighty ninety thousand maybe dollars. 1:40:29.880 --> 1:40:30.080 Yep. 1:40:33.280 --> 1:40:37.240 Well, there are crooks in every no matter what industry, 1:40:37.560 --> 1:40:40.599 there's always going to be somebody. And when Peter's cars, 1:40:40.640 --> 1:40:44.400 he's road cars all that are around sell for over 1:40:44.439 --> 1:40:49.000 a million dollars. He's race cars to over two million dollars. 1:40:49.000 --> 1:40:53.160 You look and think when people think that we sort 1:40:53.160 --> 1:40:54.479 of own the gut, yeah right. 1:40:54.439 --> 1:40:57.160 Yeah, exactly, it's when it's a few steps down that 1:40:57.200 --> 1:40:58.800 people are transacting. 1:41:00.120 --> 1:41:03.800 Unbelievable. Well, thanks for stopping by. Just a quick chat. 1:41:05.120 --> 1:41:06.680 It's been really appreciated. 1:41:07.080 --> 1:41:07.400 Pleasant. 1:41:07.680 --> 1:41:12.080 Yeah, I guess. I guess one thing I wanted to 1:41:12.160 --> 1:41:16.120 kind of bring to the table was that everyone looks 1:41:16.160 --> 1:41:19.160 at at Peter as you know, Peter perfect and all 1:41:19.160 --> 1:41:22.120 that sort of stuff. But I think as we sort 1:41:22.120 --> 1:41:24.880 of briefly mentioned that you are, you're fifty percent of 1:41:24.920 --> 1:41:25.679 that You're the reason. 1:41:25.920 --> 1:41:28.400 I didn't have any ability at any ability. I was 1:41:28.439 --> 1:41:31.800 just home based. Yeah, you could, if you could create 1:41:31.840 --> 1:41:33.120 a calm at home, you were doing well. 1:41:33.200 --> 1:41:33.639 It was good. 1:41:33.920 --> 1:41:34.080 Well. 1:41:34.920 --> 1:41:37.960 It was always such a warm, lovely family unit. And 1:41:39.160 --> 1:41:40.680 I just hope you realize that, you know. 1:41:41.280 --> 1:41:43.400 I do. I look at if I look back at 1:41:43.439 --> 1:41:46.920 it now, it was an amazing period of time in history. 1:41:47.000 --> 1:41:48.920 It was an amazing period of time to have lived. 1:41:49.320 --> 1:41:52.360 I was very fortunate, and you know, you're not going 1:41:52.400 --> 1:41:55.000 to have that sort of stuff come around very often 1:41:55.040 --> 1:41:58.960 in the world. So I know how fortunate I was. 1:41:59.560 --> 1:42:01.280 And you know, the thing is that Peter and I 1:42:01.360 --> 1:42:05.000 were a really good team until in the end where 1:42:05.000 --> 1:42:07.519 he started doubting himself about everything. And that to me, 1:42:08.560 --> 1:42:12.200 when I see young people doubt their own abilities, and 1:42:12.240 --> 1:42:16.280 I know, you know, what has the potential to happen 1:42:16.439 --> 1:42:20.599 is not for a minute that Peter did that deliberately 1:42:20.720 --> 1:42:23.680 or in any way, shape or form. But a lot 1:42:23.680 --> 1:42:26.559 of people who when they get down and depressed like that, 1:42:26.600 --> 1:42:28.760 and we find it with our footballer, you know, our 1:42:29.240 --> 1:42:32.040 ex coaches and captains and that sort of stuff, that 1:42:32.560 --> 1:42:36.960 mental attitude. And as Peter said, you know, it's not 1:42:37.200 --> 1:42:41.400 about the engineering of the car, it's not about your skill, 1:42:42.680 --> 1:42:44.600 it's about your where your brain is that when you 1:42:44.600 --> 1:42:46.639 get behind the wheel of the car. So the instant 1:42:46.640 --> 1:42:49.040 you sit in that car, know that you're driving a lethal, 1:42:49.280 --> 1:42:52.360 potential lethal weapon. Get your head in the right place 1:42:53.040 --> 1:42:55.640 and that counts for far more than anything else. And 1:42:55.920 --> 1:42:57.960 he's right, he was right, And it's you know, to me, 1:42:58.120 --> 1:43:00.320 that's the sad thing that a lot of that's got 1:43:00.640 --> 1:43:03.040 in history, but that's life. Can't change it.