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Speaker 1: It was terrible. He I wanted to watch the Scooby Doo.

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Speaker 2: Since one of my French we we Papa.

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Speaker 1: Did they feed you at all, little Pablo? They gave

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fighting him off with a.

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Speaker 1: Stick, Yeah right, he seagulls fighting over a chip. I

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Speaker 1: got to spend some more time Toyota ask me if

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Speaker 1: I wanted the gr Coroller again. Oh again, Yeah, look

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Speaker 1: another thanks. Oh god, that's a good car. It's really good. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's like, when you think about it, eighty thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: Yeah. But would you spend eighty grand on it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think of it, because think about it. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: because when you think about it, you're spending eighty grand

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Speaker 2: Actually, just very quickly on race cars for the road.

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Speaker 3: Did you see at Goodwood they had the new Iron

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Speaker 1: That would have been a fun conversation.

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Speaker 2: Do you reckon? That's good publicity or bad publicity?

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Speaker 3: So everyone shared it because it was filmed like five

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that the Goodwood is it's a hard

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Speaker 3: Goodwood has been canceled forever, it is a tough place

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fuck out the back.

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Speaker 1: Hate The new Land Cruise, Prido and seventy series dropped

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Speaker 3: Yeah what do you think, Well, let's start with the

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Speaker 3: seventy series. I think that looks totally stupid. They've gone

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Speaker 1: Colin, Yeah, we got some of those those fucking headlights

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Speaker 2: I'll about it.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, they've got those lights.

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Speaker 3: And then they've put a four cylinder diesel in it,

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Speaker 2: The current one looks great.

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Speaker 1: Well that's because it hasn't really moved.

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Speaker 3: Much exactly, So why change it? And why make it

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Speaker 1: Don't like the like a contemporary look and an old

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Speaker 1: For what it's worth, I actually quite liked it. I

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Speaker 3: I mean, well, it's the same with like this is

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Speaker 2: But the seventy series is just meant to be old.

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Speaker 1: And just if that's the case, why even bring it back?

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Speaker 3: Well exactly, I don't know why they've changed it, And

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Speaker 3: The whole purpose of that car was that it's a

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Speaker 2: You wanted it with a full cylinder, you also go.

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Speaker 3: Buy Highlux Hilex is like forty grand cheaper and available

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Speaker 3: I think that looks sensational. Yeah, and they did exactly

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Speaker 3: I don't know what their logic is with this, and

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Speaker 2: Ultimately because it's a Toyota. Yeah, and it looks expensive.

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Speaker 2: It'll be more expensive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they'll sell a bunch of them, no doubt.

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Speaker 3: I just think that the thing that would stop me

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Speaker 1: more like Arndeau's brush with fame. So a little pavle

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Speaker 4: So the four day Dad painted British racing green with

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Speaker 1: Yeah, going to Sovereign Hill, let's see it.

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Speaker 3: Really, your life has become complicated, hasn't it. Australia is

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Speaker 1: My god, oh my god, they didn't. Yeah, that's last

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Speaker 4: So I was even though they were, you know, my

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Speaker 4: sort of stuff. Not that we thought anything of it,

441
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 4: but nobody ever said to me that girls don't do that.

442
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,359
Speaker 4: Girls don't do it. It was a time when girls

443
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:30,960
Speaker 4: did commercial so they became you know, secretaries, worked in

444
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 4: the bank or teachers, you know, other than that. And

445
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:41,119
Speaker 4: at that stage, if you got married, you couldn't teach it.

446
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 4: It's a female. Anyhow, it was a different I taught

447
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,920
Speaker 4: started teaching in a country town in Weststralia called Beverly.

448
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 1: You're the mayor, Yeah, absolutely so.

449
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:58,719
Speaker 4: The quite a reasonable indigenous community there that lived in

450
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 4: a reserve. So you know, I got to have that experience,

451
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,919
Speaker 4: which was good. I was a science teacher. Nobody ever

452
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,679
Speaker 4: said to me that women don't do teach science. Nobody

453
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 4: ever said to me that women don't do anything. I

454
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,199
Speaker 4: was never discouraged, but I was never encouraged. Had I

455
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 4: not got a scholarship, I couldn't. I was the only

456
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 4: one in our family to finish school. But had I

457
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 4: not got a scholarship, I couldn't have happened. So yeah,

458
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 4: a fantastic, simple, uncomplicated life that just breezed through.

459
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 3: When did you go from there to the big smoke smaker.

460
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 4: Well, I taught because I'd got a scholarship and they

461
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,119
Speaker 4: needed teachers. Then you had to agree. If you accepted

462
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 4: the scholarship, you had to teach for three years. So

463
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,719
Speaker 4: in those three years I taught in a number of

464
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 4: country schools, country high schools. I met. I met this

465
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 4: Robert True Redford look alike and Phil Madly and that,

466
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 4: and eloped from West Australia to Sydney. My mum wanted

467
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 4: me to have the wedding in the big cathoed because

468
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 4: I was the one, the only one to finished school.

469
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 4: I was the one that, you know, Mum could glow about.

470
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 4: So it was it meant Mum was one of seven

471
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 4: children and they all had seven kids, and I was

472
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 4: going to have to pay for this wedding that was

473
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 4: going to be a squillion rellos that I didn't know

474
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 4: the town by the sound of it, So I said

475
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 4: Mum and Dad in the backyard a couple of friends.

476
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 4: Mum freak took to a bed Yama's got the vapors darling.

477
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 4: So I eloped and ended up in Sydney.

478
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 1: And when did you live in Sydney?

479
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 4: Well, the guy I married had come from there originally,

480
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 4: so his family was still in Sydney. Went back there,

481
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 4: married in a registry office and taught in a boys

482
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 4: high school in Sydney for seven years. But my then

483
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 4: husband's best it was Peter Mechanic. So Peter is at

484
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 4: the beginning of his career, had no money. So when

485
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 4: they came to race in Sydney. They came and stayed

486
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 4: with us, so free accommodation, free meals I cooked. My

487
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 4: then husband was a mechanic. We had a service station,

488
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 4: so he helped on the racetrack. So it started by

489
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 4: going along, as you know, the general dog's body to

490
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 4: do all the timing, cleaning, keep the girls away when

491
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 4: it was time to focus on the races, sor ry bevo,

492
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 4: it's time. Just move them out of the way, please,

493
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 4: So I knew what I was getting into when cars,

494
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 4: Let's put it this way. The first car I bought,

495
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 4: God was a Courtina, and it was immaculate, little Courtina.

496
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,199
Speaker 4: But I find out after I've bought it that it

497
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 4: is a lemon, and it's got a mind of its own,

498
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 4: and it does what it wants when it wants, whether

499
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 4: you like it or not. So I had a mishap

500
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 4: and got it fixed and would lend that car to

501
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 4: anybody who wanted to borrow. So I didn't drive it

502
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 4: very much. When I went to Sydney and I needed

503
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 4: a car of my own, I bought a little dats

504
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 4: In one twenty.

505
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: Y but beautiful. That's a great car.

506
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 4: Fantastic, except back then women couldn't sign a contract. Are

507
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 4: you serious? Absolutely? So the dealer, I said, you'll have

508
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 4: to bring your husband in. Oh my god, and signed

509
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 4: the contract and I said, I beg your pardon. I said,

510
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 4: I have a regular job. I go day by day,

511
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 4: I go everything. I get a paycheck. He can go

512
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 4: out for the night, and said he'll be home early.

513
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 4: I might not seem for two months. Do you want

514
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 4: him to come in and sign the contract? And he

515
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,199
Speaker 4: looked at me and he said, well, we reconsider. You

516
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 4: can sign the contract.

517
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 2: I love that. That is great.

518
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 1: That's the most wild thing I've heard though. I like

519
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 1: it was that just like a New South Wales Laura.

520
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: Was that an Australian law?

521
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 4: I whod no? Why bothered to check?

522
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: Yes?

523
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:59,239
Speaker 4: Yes, it was insanity. I mean segregation was in you know,

524
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 4: why would you check on stuff? Because it was such

525
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,959
Speaker 4: a crazy broll. It was just a thing right, just

526
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 4: the way it was, and you managed, you got on

527
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 4: with it. And then the marriage fell apart and I

528
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 4: ended up Melbourne.

529
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: So it was good and somewhere between there and sorry

530
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: the marriage. So I'm trying to backtrack a little bit.

531
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: Around about the age of twenty two, you had a

532
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: big accident with your neck right, Yep, that was quite severe.

533
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 4: Absolutely. I was teaching in this country town, not Beverly,

534
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 4: another country town north of Perth. And they by this

535
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 4: stage the government had built to houses. Well, they were

536
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,959
Speaker 4: duplexus close so the guys had one single guys one

537
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 4: side and the single girls the other. So I had

538
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 4: I had moved out of this derelictome that when before

539
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 4: into this nice new place with two girls. And we

540
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 4: were one hundred and eighty mile from Perth, so there

541
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 4: was a tendency to develop relationship within the township. So

542
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,959
Speaker 4: one of the girls had accepted a date with a farmer.

543
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 4: Back then no mobile phone, so he came from a

544
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 4: farm a long way out. It was for a Sunday

545
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 4: to go water skiing with him and his mates. And

546
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 4: then she finds out her boyfriend's coming up from the city.

547
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 4: Help I need rescue? Will you go in my place?

548
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 3: Yeah?

549
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 4: Find So I was going out with a guy who

550
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 4: had already left the farm. You couldn't get in touch

551
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 4: with him to come in and pick her up, which

552
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 4: was going to be me. I don't know his name.

553
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 4: I never knew his name. I wouldn't never have recognized

554
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 4: so anyway, he comes. When he gets here, he finds

555
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 4: out he's taking me and not her because she's gone

556
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 4: off with a boyfriend. So we get and it's a

557
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 4: freshwater lake. Enie Abba. So out there at this freshwater

558
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 4: lake that water skiing. Never water skied before. I ended

559
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 4: up diving in head first, hit at the top of

560
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 4: my head on a submerged standbank and knew I was

561
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 4: in trouble. So the boat stopped to pick me up,

562
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 4: but the movement of the boat painful, so they stopped

563
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 4: and put me on the shore and I walked around

564
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 4: the shore back to where the all his friends were sitting,

565
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,239
Speaker 4: and one of the guys there said, look, you've hurt

566
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 4: your nick. He said, look, I'll ring a friend of

567
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 4: mine in Geralton who's a chiropractor, and I'll drive you there,

568
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 4: which is another hour and a half's drive to there.

569
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 4: So I've got to get in the car. You don't

570
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 4: realize that you how much you use your head as

571
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 4: balanced So even sitting down, getting up, getting in and

572
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 4: out of a car, and it was over dirt roads,

573
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 4: sand dunes, and he drives me to Geralton. The chiropractor

574
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 4: comes in Caesars, looks at me and she said, sweetheart,

575
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 4: she said, it's a bit swollen. Why don't you come

576
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 4: back and see me on Tuesday and I'll put it

577
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 4: back in.

578
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 3: Then.

579
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 4: Oh my, had she touched me, I would have been dead.

580
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 4: So back in the car, drive back to where I

581
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 4: was teaching. But this stage ten thirty at night and

582
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 4: the boyfriend is ready to go back to the city.

583
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 4: He said, why don't you come. I'll drive you back

584
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 4: down to perth off at your place and you can

585
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 4: see your own doctor tomorrow. So back to the city.

586
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 4: One thirty in the morning. I'm out of the cargo.

587
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 4: Mum and dad are in bed. I go get myself

588
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 4: into bed. Next morning, I've crawled out there there shock.

589
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 4: Call my doctor, meet me at the hospital. So I

590
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 4: meet him at the hospital. They do an X ray.

591
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 4: Next thing, They've got sandbags all around me. I've got

592
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 4: compression practice on three and four in my neck. So

593
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 4: into hospital I have to be on what do they

594
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 4: call it when they hang you by your chin in bed.

595
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 2: Like with a yeah?

596
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 4: So yeah. I was above head height of anybody walking

597
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 4: in the room, so I couldn't see them. So I

598
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 4: was in trouble. And I find out because I'd come

599
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 4: from the middle of nowhere. We had no doctors, we

600
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 4: didn't have dnners. I've never had injections, so I suddenly

601
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 4: find out I'm allergic. They in the night. I could

602
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 4: control the pain in the day, but when I was

603
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 4: supposed to be asleep they gave me something to sleep,

604
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 4: I had no control. I'd scream the hospital down. The

605
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 4: next morning, they said, well, we can't inflict you on

606
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 4: any other patients, so we're going to take you out

607
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 4: of traction and we're going to put you in plaster.

608
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 4: So they stretched me and I was in plaster from

609
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 4: the top of my head. Half MI nerve my shoulders

610
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 4: out to hear. I was in this plaster cast like this,

611
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 4: And I said, look pointless me staying in hospital. Nothing

612
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 4: can happen to me now. So I called a friend

613
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 4: who was going to pick me up and take me

614
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 4: down south to his parents' farm. And I could hide

615
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 4: because I looked like the mitcheller man. I was just

616
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 4: so he comes, He's take him a while to get this.

617
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 4: So I go for a walk around the hospital ground

618
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 4: and I get a mosquito in my ear. Have you

619
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 4: ever had an insect in your ear? When they when

620
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 4: they pummel on your ear drum. It's like a jackhammer

621
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 4: in your brain. So I've gone back into the hospital

622
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 4: and to get it out, they've had to lift me

623
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 4: up and lay me over poor warm oil in my

624
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 4: ear to drown. And while they're doing this, I said, look,

625
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 4: only thing you can hap to me Now I get

626
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 4: hit by a truck. You got to watch what you say.

627
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 4: So my friend Arise picks me up. We're in his car,

628
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 4: drive out of the gate onto the hospital into the

629
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 4: main road. In the back, what ridiculous. I'm already in plaster,

630
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,479
Speaker 4: so I can't no whip lab So I ended up.

631
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 2: You're probably lucky year already plaster. I was.

632
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 4: So went downstate and his parents farm until the plaster

633
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 4: was to come off, and then they they use a

634
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 4: saw to cut across your throat. You hear anyway the

635
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 4: plaster came off, I was in one of those screw

636
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 4: up collars for went back to school teaching.

637
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: And can I ask at that point, what what was

638
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: the outlook from the doctors.

639
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 4: I was going to spend my life in a wheelchair.

640
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 4: I'd never be able to have kids, I'd never play

641
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 4: sport again, I'd never I never never did stuff you

642
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 4: so they took the collar off. I played a full

643
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 4: game of basketball that night, and I didn't take a break. Sort,

644
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 4: if I'm going to die, I'm going to die doing

645
00:31:58,440 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 4: something I warrant.

646
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to make this shot.

647
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 4: Absolutely. I went water skiing again. I did all those things.

648
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 4: I did have troubles. When I was teaching in Sydney.

649
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 4: I had to go back into a collar because I

650
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 4: was losing the use of arms. I couldn't lift my

651
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 4: arms right on the blackboard. So back in a collar,

652
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 4: and they wanted to operate and cut the bones out

653
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 4: and put a rod through. I wasn't keen on that.

654
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 4: I met an old bloke who said he was a

655
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 4: healer and asked me to give him three weeks and

656
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 4: he would work with me. So at that point in time,

657
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 4: because I knew if I had a rod there, eventually

658
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 4: I'd have a rod right through my old spine. So

659
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 4: three weeks he threw me over his shoulder, stretched me

660
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 4: a little. That I got the use of arms back

661
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 4: and I never to have the operation.

662
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: Wow, and did that sort of a thing, I mean,

663
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: that sort of event in someone's life. Surely that would

664
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: play a part in I guess the outlook you'd have.

665
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,719
Speaker 4: In Because from that moment when the doctor said all

666
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 4: the things I wouldn't do, I thought, he's not in

667
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 4: my body. He's had no idea what I'm doing. So

668
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 4: from that moment on health became the focal point. I'd

669
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 4: taken all for grant, as you do, young people, you do.

670
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 4: But suddenly health was it. So diet, you know, I'd

671
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 4: studied nutrition, I was, you know, done all that. I

672
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 4: didn't drink, I didn't smoke, I didn't inhale anything. I

673
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 4: didn't you know, I ate a healthy you know, nutrition,

674
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 4: So total focus on health and well being. I did

675
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 4: start to have trouble a bit later, and I took

676
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 4: up regular chiropractic care, so, you know, it just it

677
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 4: changed me my attitude to life completely because you realize

678
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 4: if you don't have your health, everything else in life

679
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 4: becomes problematic.

680
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 3: But do you think that's where that came from? Because

681
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,959
Speaker 3: you sound like a fairly tenacious person. You're not going

682
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 3: to take no for an answer. Do you think that

683
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 3: was part of that whole sort of mentality.

684
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I was like that before. I don't

685
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,479
Speaker 4: know why. As I say, I was completely different from

686
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 4: anybody else in the family. I don't know where I

687
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 4: got that from, but I wasn't going to allow anybody

688
00:33:58,560 --> 00:33:59,959
Speaker 4: to stop me from doing what I wanted to do.

689
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 3: So just but that's a great mentality to have, especially

690
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 3: for a female, and back then, because a lot of

691
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 3: people will listen to others telling them no, no, you

692
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 3: can't do that. That's not possible, because this, this and this.

693
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 3: It's like, no, no, that's not right. You've got to

694
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 3: set your mind to something and you can do it exactly.

695
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 4: It's interesting because I had wanted initially to study medicine,

696
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 4: but because of my scholarship, I had to do teaching.

697
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 4: So for me having research, you know, I studied science

698
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 4: or science subjects except geology. I had to learn before

699
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 4: I talked that one.

700
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: So it.

701
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 4: Gave me an approach to life that life is what

702
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 4: you make it. And so all the public speaking i've

703
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 4: done since then, his life is what you make it,

704
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 4: and with a focus on health and then the choices

705
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 4: you make. So it's back then there were no books,

706
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 4: there were no people who had those philosophies, so nobody

707
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 4: I could talk to. I was alone wolf in those things.

708
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 4: But it just it's just the way it was that's

709
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 4: so interesting. Interesting.

710
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just find that fascinating because that's the thing

711
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 3: that I find with a lot of people. They will

712
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 3: just stop doing something because they're told they can't or

713
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 3: they shouldn't, and it's like, well, it's entirely up to you.

714
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 2: You can do whatever you want.

715
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 4: But growing up where I did, we didn't have doctors,

716
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 4: we didn't have dentists, we had none of the things.

717
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 4: We had no community as such. So you know, you

718
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 4: just you did what you did or else there was

719
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 4: nobody They're going to hand it your life on a platter.

720
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 3: You just Today, that's a different story, so many opportunities,

721
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 3: and they still don't grasp them, you know what I mean,

722
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 3: They still let stuff go. And it's like today it's

723
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 3: like so different to what have beaten would be.

724
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 4: Like that, completely and absolutely different nobody, you know. Since

725
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 4: I've been on the board of an education found out

726
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 4: in Melbourne since two thousand and six, and we take

727
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 4: what we call challenge disadvantage kids and who are exceptionally

728
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 4: who are gifted, and put them through year eleven and

729
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 4: twelve and then mentor them through unique So the fact

730
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 4: that I could relate totally to these kids It's made

731
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 4: that an absolute dream because I value education. I know

732
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 4: what a difference it can make, and kids who are

733
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 4: really bright, who don't have at network and don't have

734
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 4: the finances should not miss out online because so that

735
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 4: experience as a child taught me a great deal that

736
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 4: I've been been able to apply a lot through life.

737
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 3: So I know it's a bit of a sidestep here,

738
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 3: but what do you reckon these days? You're hearing a

739
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 3: lot about kids as young as eleven twelve stealing cars

740
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 3: and being like bags.

741
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 2: What is the solution to that?

742
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 3: Because I don't know if it's social media that propagates

743
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 3: this stuff, but what is the solution to these kids

744
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 3: who just seem to be running?

745
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 4: Mark Well, Peter and I were both very grateful for

746
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 4: the upbringing we've had and the fact that we were

747
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 4: now in the position where we actually had the means

748
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 4: to help people. So before we set up the foundation

749
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 4: at home and good to you. You remember, but there

750
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 4: was always a lot of people in our house. So

751
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 4: my kids didn't bring home wounded animals. They brought home wounded.

752
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: Kids from all walks of life, all of these nationality, nothing,

753
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:14,479
Speaker 1: it didn't matter.

754
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 4: So we always had extra kids in the home, and

755
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 4: I'd run I ran retreats for women, one hundred women

756
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 4: at a time, once a year. So that was about,

757
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 4: you know, life is what you make it. So that

758
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 4: was fine for women. And Peter said to me, Bevo,

759
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 4: you've got to do something for guys as well. I said, okay,

760
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 4: as long as you're going to be there, because it's

761
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 4: going to be more relevant. So we sort of would

762
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 4: have the occasional residential but the guys weren't really keen

763
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 4: staying for the weekend. Women were. They were fine. So

764
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 4: we had our kids would have a particular group of friends,

765
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 4: and a lot of them were in that troubled variety.

766
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 4: So we'd bring them home for the weekend and we'd

767
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,919
Speaker 4: have a great weekend and we'd all these motivational talk

768
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 4: and everything, and they'd be fantast stick and they have changed,

769
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 4: and they go home, and a couple of weeks later

770
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 4: they come back and they're back in squareway. And so

771
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 4: we looked at this is absolutely a waste of time.

772
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 4: We've got to get the parents before. If you get

773
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 4: the parents with the right approach, then the kids are

774
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 4: going to be raised in the right environment. They're going

775
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 4: to be fine. So we swapped it around from just

776
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 4: having the kids and brought the parents in. They worked

777
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 4: with them, and that's when I found that it made

778
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 4: an enormous difference. So for me, looking at the kids,

779
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 4: these young kids today and having grandkids at age, I

780
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 4: look at my grandkids, there's no way known that they

781
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 4: would even contemplate stuff like that. So I look at

782
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 4: them and I look back on what we did, and

783
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 4: I know that the most important role any of us

784
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 4: have in life is to have children and raise them.

785
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 4: We're raising our next leaders, our next generation of leaders,

786
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 4: and if they're not raised in an appropriate fashion, we're

787
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 4: going to dip out. So for us, it was intant

788
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 4: to get the kids instilled with a good solid basis

789
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 4: so that that sort of stuff didn't happen. It had

790
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 4: we had mixed. For our eldest, he tried, he wasn't

791
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 4: interested in the start. We had to plead with him

792
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 4: to get involved with these kids. And when he did,

793
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,439
Speaker 4: he came home one day and said, I'm leaving school,

794
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,959
Speaker 4: and I said what, Because he was exceptionally bright. I've worked,

795
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 4: I had, I worked with a post grade work at

796
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 4: Union in special ed gifted kids. So I knew he

797
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 4: was bright, and God, you're not leaving school unless you've

798
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 4: got a job, So you got to watch what you

799
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 4: say as a parent. He goes to school on Monday,

800
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 4: he comes home and he said, I've got these three jobs. Mum,

801
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 4: I'm taking that one. I start next week.

802
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: How old is he at this point, well, he.

803
00:39:53,200 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 4: Was year eleven. So he picked a job which I

804
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 4: was stunned in. It was with our race team, and

805
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 4: he had not Our kids didn't particularly enjoy going to

806
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 4: the races because for Peter it was always the fans.

807
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 4: The kids had to wait until they'd finished signing, and

808
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 4: then he'd take them home and they'd be starving and

809
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,720
Speaker 4: over it, so they didn't go very often. But Jamie

810
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 4: started with the race team and we at the time

811
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 4: had two guys who'd just come out of Formula one

812
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 4: and I used to go in and food and do stuff.

813
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 4: And I went in one day a couple of weeks

814
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 4: after Jamie started, and they took me aside, these two

815
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 4: guys and the said, do you realize what you've got here?

816
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 4: And I said, what are your man? They said, do

817
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 4: you realize how capable your son is? Said? Do you

818
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 4: understand he's been here a couple of weeks. He can

819
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 4: do things that we could not do in Formula one.

820
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 4: So he stayed there for a little bit, but then

821
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 4: he started his own business. He built a replica of

822
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 4: Peter's first race card without seeing it, without anything, and

823
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 4: Peter had go in there and look. He said, this

824
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 4: is so much better than one because Pleader would do

825
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 4: everything by eye and feel, whereas Jamie's meticulous. You know,

826
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 4: everything's just perfect, so it you know, I looked at

827
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 4: here's this kid with this attitude to work, determination, perfectionist,

828
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 4: all of that sort of stuff. So he tried to

829
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 4: get some of his mates who had been coming to

830
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 4: get them jobs and they'd never even turn up. And

831
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 4: he was so mortified that he just walked away from

832
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 4: all of that. And so our kids, even though they

833
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 4: grew up in the household, which where we always had

834
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 4: extra kids, there's no way our kids are going to

835
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 4: do it because they had to share their people. They

836
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 4: were already had to share their dad, they had to

837
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 4: share their mum and their home. So it changed attitudes

838
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 4: more than you can begin to think.

839
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: So, yeah, that's really interesting.

840
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 4: In the midst of that, Bridgestone, our favorite sponsor at

841
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 4: the time had an AD. You remember this cording had

842
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 4: an AD for tires.

843
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: Is this the one with the gecko?

844
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's before the gecko. The gecko came in

845
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 4: just after that. So I was Peter and I were

846
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 4: to be they brought in the new Supercat tires. So

847
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 4: we were doing to be in a comparison on a

848
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 4: disused airport up in Sydney, and Peter was going to

849
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 4: be so embarrassed because I was a pathetic driver, so

850
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 4: it didn't show up on the AD. He took me

851
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 4: down the paddic set up which his hats taught me

852
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 4: how to drive ring, did a couple of runs. That's fine, right,

853
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 4: just so I didn't embarrass it. So we get up

854
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 4: to Sydney the AD. I'm in the car with the

855
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 4: old tile, Peter's in the car with the new super Cats.

856
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 4: We do a thing, slam on the brake stop and

857
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 4: he cleans me up by country mile because he's got

858
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 4: the good tires. So they swapped cars. I beat it

859
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 4: and he looked. He said, Bevo, how good are those tires?

860
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 4: And they were. And for me to have that before

861
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 4: and after and understand how important tires were in stopping

862
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 4: and maneuvering Gordy came. Yes, Gordy didn't have good times

863
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 4: on his car. My daughter was not going to be

864
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 4: allowed in there had good tires, so he got a

865
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 4: brand new set of Quod ties.

866
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: I love that was very embarrassed. I will get to

867
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: that story in a second second, but I did want

868
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: to sort of roughly go back to let's let's go

869
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: to say it was the seventies at this point, and

870
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 1: I'm guessing when did you meet Peter? Was it around

871
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: sort of the early seventies? Yes, yes, because I mean

872
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: to me that that was the era I wish I

873
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: was born in. I just think it's it's brilliant. It

874
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: was you can wear footy shorts for no particular reason,

875
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: partner cigarettes on the bottom of you know, dashboard of

876
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: your car. It was just Sonny's on It was. The

877
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: cars were awesome, but it was a real roaring wild time.

878
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: What was what what was that time like for you?

879
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: When the seventies hit and I guess you met Peter.

880
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,919
Speaker 4: It was interesting because I'm this kid from this isolated spot.

881
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 4: I know nothing. I'm naive. I've never dealt with media,

882
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 4: I've never dealt with high profile people. I've never you know,

883
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 4: all this sort of stuff, and you got to I

884
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 4: know you were saying about the footy shorts. Women were

885
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 4: not allowed to wear trousers to work. My science lab

886
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 4: was sort of in the hill and it didn't get

887
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 4: above freezing until eleven o'clock. So I went to the

888
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 4: school principal and said, I want permission to wear trousers

889
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 4: because it's so damn cold, absolutely against the rules. Episode

890
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 4: and he and the deputy principal and as I was

891
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 4: walking out, I'm thinking, oh god, and I heard him say,

892
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 4: besides which, what would we have to look at because

893
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 4: my skirts green? And I tought, mate, you've challenged the

894
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 4: wrong woman. So the next day I wore slacks long trousers.

895
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 4: There's only six other females teaching in the school, and

896
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 4: within a week they.

897
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 2: Were all wearing trousers.

898
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 4: But anyhow, how did I find that? It was great?

899
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 4: It was raw amazing. I then got to see I'd

900
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 4: seen a little bit of motor racing in West Australia,

901
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 4: but with Peter we'd go out to the track all

902
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 4: the time. I was sort of learning to drive, but

903
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 4: then you know, this is the big boys go, and

904
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 4: I wasn't really all that interested in driving. Yeah, the cars,

905
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 4: all of that sort of stuff. I was around the

906
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 4: cars because we had a service station we were the

907
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 4: racing was there. When Peter wanted assistance, he'd get my

908
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 4: then husband to fly down and join him, so I

909
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 4: would come, because that meant I was doing the cooking

910
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 4: and waiting on them and the dog's breakfast stuff. So

911
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 4: to actually find that I was involved in it, you know,

912
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 4: at that stage, Peter not really started winning. He was

913
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 4: just at the start of all of that. And so

914
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 4: he had one batist and I was at school. I'd

915
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 4: been up there on the week. I was at school.

916
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 4: On the Monday, I organized for him on his way

917
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 4: home back to Melbourne to drive past and stop at

918
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 4: the school. And you can imagine a boys high school

919
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 4: and he's just got it, just one Bathurst. He gets

920
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 4: up there and he's up on the stage and there's

921
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 4: this you know, these all these young men just in

922
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 4: and the principle said to me afterwards, do you think

923
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 4: you can teach us to talk like that? We don't

924
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 4: get that reaction when we're talking. So I got at

925
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 4: that point in time, I got to experience good cars,

926
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 4: really good cars, which I got to drive sometimes. Sometimes

927
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 4: I had them at school and would take the kids

928
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 4: when I because I coached the basketball team, and I

929
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 4: take a couple of the players in the car. They

930
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 4: just think it was fantastic, absolutely fantastic.

931
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: They loved it watching the old bath hest footage and

932
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: things like that, especially in the early seventies. Just things

933
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: like the pit lane, stuff like it was such a while.

934
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: Like the way they would fill up a car would

935
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: almost be with a big funnel and a barrel and

936
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: pit fires and things like that. It was before sort

937
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: of I'm not sure what they call them, but the

938
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: valves and stuff that they moved to in the very manual.

939
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was no pit structure as such. There was

940
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 4: a wood encounter. There was a single barbed wife, single

941
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 4: line of barbed wire fencing. That was it. That was

942
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 4: the safety thing over the mountain didn't And Peter actually

943
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 4: used to say it was the council. Let's say they're

944
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 4: bringing in these safety guys and they'd be putting up there.

945
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 4: Peter said, it takes away the challenge. Don't do that.

946
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 4: But of course they had to know a few blokes

947
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 4: lost their lives, so it tends to change things.

948
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 3: But leaving up on the mountain, if you're a spectator,

949
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,720
Speaker 3: they were burning cars and doing all sorts of stuff

950
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 3: up there.

951
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 2: That was a time to be alive.

952
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 4: Well, you had to have to get up there. You

953
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 4: had to go up this road and there would be

954
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 4: a group of the guys from up the hill. And

955
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 4: if you had a female in the car and she

956
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 4: lifted a t shirt show them she wears, they would

957
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 4: let that car through it if it only had blokes

958
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 4: in and they'd have to contribute a certain amount of

959
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 4: their slab or they'd have to do a burnout. Trouble

960
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 4: is when they did the burn out, the car hage

961
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,720
Speaker 4: slide off and sometimes went through tents where people were sleeping.

962
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 4: But the media protected it all they didn't. All of

963
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 4: that was kept quiet and up the top at the

964
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 4: top where it was drinking it, they brought in the

965
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 4: limit for the amount of alcohol you could have. The

966
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 4: guys weren't stupid, so they would go up there mid

967
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 4: way through the year, digg a trench from their camp

968
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,919
Speaker 4: site to the where the power thing was and hook

969
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 4: into the power cover the trench over they'd have under

970
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 4: their tent site. They'd have a big hole and they'd

971
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 4: have a big fridge in there, so it's connected to

972
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 4: the power, and so that they would have this stock

973
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 4: supplying before the police arrived on race week.

974
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: This whole thing is my kind of currency. I just like,

975
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: do you get your tarana in?

976
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 2: But it's true, the media.

977
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 4: Covered it all.

978
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:50,240
Speaker 1: It never happened.

979
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 4: There were a few people killed, a few people squashed

980
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 4: when the burnouts went a bit of haywire. But but

981
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 4: you know, Peter and I'd go up and because the

982
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 4: guys would be there in their army, great coats, every

983
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 4: badge they could find, and they idolized him. So they

984
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 4: treated always treated me with absolute respect, and they treated

985
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 4: him with respect. But if you were a bit of

986
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 4: a whoon or anything, you had to pass certain tests

987
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 4: before you were a part of a mom to stay there.

988
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 4: It was never dull or boring. Let me tell.

989
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: You what do you think it is about the fan

990
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,720
Speaker 1: base of I mean not just Peter but motor racing

991
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: and cars in general. Is it's such a fascinating love affair.

992
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, when my parents were sixteen years old,

993
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: they'll do our dad's MG and for them back then,

994
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 1: that was their their campfire. Do you know what I mean,

995
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: and for a lot of fans working on cars together

996
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: or talking about cars, debating about cars, it's a passion,

997
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: it's a clubhouse. And to see Peter, I guess it

998
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: was almost like their God, you know, they're king, they are.

999
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 4: It was interesting because it didn't matter whether you're a

1000
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 4: Ford fan, didn't matter what you model you were, and

1001
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 4: they respected Peter he was he was applauded by all

1002
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 4: of them, and so it was to me it was

1003
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 4: always interesting and there was back in those days. There

1004
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 4: was a lot of camaraderie. So if you saw somebody

1005
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 4: having trouble, you helped them. You know. We often gave

1006
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 4: sets of tires or sent one of our mechanics down

1007
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 4: to help up the guys who were just breaking into it,

1008
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 4: who didn't have money and couldn't do it. So but

1009
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 4: you know, it came a time when you had to

1010
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 4: know you were allowed to be seen talking to anybody

1011
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 4: from another team because you might be spreading the secrets.

1012
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 4: And it just developed into this, and then when Tony

1013
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 4: Cochran took over, he wanted it to be the equivalent

1014
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 4: of the Formula one and so another level of you

1015
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 4: know that extreme, So all of that friendliness to camaraderie

1016
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 4: had to go under cover, and it was It was

1017
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,280
Speaker 4: sad because at the end of a race on Sundays,

1018
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 4: you know, the whole heap of teams would get together

1019
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 4: for drinks and a barbecue and it was you know,

1020
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 4: everybody talked and shared things. But you know, it came

1021
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 4: a time when Peter was getting towards the end of

1022
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 4: his career when he wasn't allowed to lift the bonnet

1023
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 4: of his car and his own team, he wasn't allowed

1024
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 4: to talk to the mechanics. He wasn't. They were bringing in,

1025
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 4: you know, Craig and the younger drivers and they wanted

1026
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,720
Speaker 4: but they wanted Peter because he bought with him huge

1027
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 4: fan base, huge sponsor support, and announced they didn't have,

1028
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 4: so they wanted him. And this isn't the guys in

1029
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 4: the team were fantastic, don't get me wrong, I'm talking

1030
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 4: administrative wise. So they wanted him. They needed him for

1031
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 4: all those reasons. But having got them those things, got

1032
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 4: his sponsors signed over now with their signature on the thing.

1033
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 4: Suddenly and he looked at me and he said, he said,

1034
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,959
Speaker 4: this is this is first race meeting for that year

1035
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 4: was at Winton and it was so embarrassing. The poor

1036
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 4: bugger was just you know, couldn't look at his car,

1037
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 4: couldn't talk to mcteam of the drivers. And so by

1038
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 4: the time we hopped in the to come home, he

1039
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 4: was really gutted. And I said to him, well, why

1040
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 4: hang around, Why not say now, it's say now that

1041
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 4: you're going to retire at the end of the year.

1042
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 4: That way it gives you every race meeting around the

1043
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 4: country say goodbye, sign all the autographs, and get you

1044
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 4: out of this situation. So he went through a couple

1045
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 4: of years at the end there that were just abysmal.

1046
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 4: I was just horrified with how it worked for somebody

1047
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 4: who had brought so much to the sport that was

1048
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 4: given such a tough time by people who caught They

1049
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 4: wanted him, corporate, they wanted him, but they wanted to

1050
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 4: control him. They had to control him for them to

1051
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 4: get what they wanted out of it. And that was

1052
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 4: total insult. But anyhow, that's the joys of you know,

1053
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 4: change happening, evolution of drivers coming and going, and you know,

1054
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 4: I look at some of it now and I think, yeah,

1055
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 4: there's some little bits of that shows up now that's

1056
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 4: not quite the same.

1057
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 2: But it's not the same these days.

1058
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 3: If you look at supercars, they're just there's so little

1059
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 3: resemblance to a road car. Back then at used to

1060
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 3: the same exactly there and under the skin they're very similar.

1061
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 3: It's just it's a bit sort of disappointing, you know.

1062
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 3: It is.

1063
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 4: I go occasionally and I watch occasionally on TV, but

1064
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 4: it's not the same. And I just I look, there

1065
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 4: was a time when the sport applauded heroic individual so

1066
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 4: the likes of Dick and Moff and Peter and John Bowen,

1067
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 4: those were individual and had a big following in their

1068
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 4: own right. Well, when the change happened and it became

1069
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 4: sort of suitcus they the ruling was that no one person,

1070
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 4: no one team would get more support than another, and

1071
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 4: therefore no individual could stand out. So rather than have

1072
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 4: a person that the fans could relate to, it's common

1073
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 4: field and you sit there and think, no, and they'd

1074
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 4: have a go at the guys who dared to speak up,

1075
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 4: and that says, hang on, they got personality.

1076
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, that's what you see these days.

1077
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 3: Anyone that does speak, they get slapped down.

1078
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 4: Exactly.

1079
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 2: They just have an opinion. That's the problem is.

1080
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 4: It's a shame and I sort of on one level,

1081
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 4: I feel for them, But on the other hand, they've

1082
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 4: never experienced anything else exactly, and a lot of them

1083
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 4: because they've never owned the team, they've never had to

1084
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 4: do the media, they've never had to get the sponsors.

1085
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 4: They biff and bag and they don't care if they

1086
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 4: knock somebody else off the track and total of somebody

1087
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 4: else's car. They don't have to pay for the repairs.

1088
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,760
Speaker 4: They don't have to go through all of that stuff.

1089
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,240
Speaker 4: And I look and I think, you know the amount

1090
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 4: of or lack of respect that some of them, the

1091
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 4: younger ones have today because they don't have ownership in

1092
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 4: the team. They're employed driver. Whereas we go back to

1093
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 4: the time where Dick Glenn's seat and you know, Peter,

1094
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 4: you know, they owned the team. The financial risk.

1095
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 2: Was all differently as well, because you.

1096
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 4: Can't and all that happened every time was the mortgage

1097
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 4: on our home just got bigger and bigger because you've

1098
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 4: got to find more money. So for Peter, the sponsorship

1099
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 4: money came in and that was for the go fast.

1100
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 4: It's bibow so you can so you can do the cooking.

1101
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 4: You can feed the crew, you can do the timing,

1102
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 4: you can make the costume, the girls costumes. You can

1103
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 4: fix our race suits, you can make our race suits.

1104
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 4: All of that was mine and look after Peter at

1105
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 4: the same and the sponsorship money came in for the

1106
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 4: go fast and look good. Yeah, it's got to look good.

1107
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 4: So you know, there was one year in Bathist where

1108
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 4: if you led for a lap in qualifying, fastest lap,

1109
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 4: leading the laps in the race, blah blah, everything, and

1110
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 4: he won everything that was possible to win. It was

1111
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 4: a dream thing in that sense. But by the time

1112
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:50,240
Speaker 4: you paid your co drivers because you'd give them, promise

1113
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 4: them or your crew, if you win, you get a

1114
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 4: certain thing. We didn't meet costs. We'd won everything and

1115
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 4: still didn't mean costs. So people automatically assumed that because

1116
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 4: you were there and the leading edge, you were wealthy,

1117
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 4: but like everybody else, you were struggling to be there.

1118
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 3: And so that works like if you're if you run

1119
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 3: a race team, you guys are paying for everything. When

1120
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 3: it comes to sponsorships, do they always have strings attached?

1121
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 3: I mean that they'll get something on the car, But

1122
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 3: does it mean that Pete would have to go and

1123
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,760
Speaker 3: do ads and talks and stuff like that.

1124
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 4: Well, at one point in time, when Peter was King

1125
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 4: of Bomber and Queen, it came out and we were

1126
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 4: invited to have lunch with the Queen, and Peter would

1127
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 4: say yes initially, and then Mobile had a function on

1128
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 4: for their dealers and they said we need you there,

1129
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 4: so we walked out. We didn't go to lunch with

1130
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 4: the Queen. We did the mobile functions.

1131
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:50,439
Speaker 1: Can you imagine that conversation, Sorry, lez, i can't make

1132
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: it to the sandwiches. I've got to go do this

1133
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,280
Speaker 1: thing for a bloody petrol company.

1134
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 4: He had to get permission to wear it clossis cloth

1135
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 4: crown because you can't. You cannot wear a crown in

1136
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 4: front of a royalty if they've got the crown, and

1137
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 4: she had.

1138
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: Her crown so versus the queen.

1139
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,879
Speaker 4: It's just, you know, all of these these things. I mean,

1140
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 4: it was there was always something, always something which was

1141
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 4: in one level exciting, but it was exhausting because people

1142
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 4: would say to me, oh, you know, you're so lucky.

1143
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 1: I don't.

1144
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 4: It's what places with me.

1145
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 2: For a few weeks.

1146
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 4: It was it was full on.

1147
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I imagine, I mean just being a race driver.

1148
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 3: Being part of the support crew is full time stuff

1149
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 3: for different engagements.

1150
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 4: Well, he had all the business meetings, all the media stuff,

1151
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 4: the fans stuff, he was constantly in demand. I don't know,

1152
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 4: I honestly don't know how he survived and coped with

1153
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 4: it all.

1154
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: Well, I was going to say, you should play. You

1155
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: do play a big part in that because from what

1156
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: I hear as well, it's Peter was this sort of

1157
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: ball of chaotic energy and you really were the sort

1158
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: of the calm and focus behind him and prevented I guess,

1159
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: so he doesn't burn out, you know.

1160
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 4: Well totally because for me it was you know, and

1161
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 4: I know it's going back to the old gender the roles,

1162
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:20,439
Speaker 4: but at that stage, for me, it was in order

1163
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 4: for him to do and be the success he needed

1164
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 4: to be, he needed to have a good, sound, support based,

1165
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 4: peaceful So we had an understanding with the crew myself

1166
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 4: that if there was any problems at all, he doesn't

1167
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 4: know about them. When he gets the race tracked, he

1168
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 4: is there for the fans, for the sponsors, for the race,

1169
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 4: for the car. Anything that's a problem, we'll deal with it. So,

1170
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 4: you know, there when we sort of split with Holden,

1171
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 4: and they had issued legal papers that practice stay at

1172
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 4: the first practice day, the pits. Do we keep these

1173
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 4: away from him? Do you know all of that sort

1174
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 4: of stuff. So it was on one hand people would say,

1175
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 4: but you're treating him like a child. Then if you

1176
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:01,919
Speaker 4: had to do what he had to.

1177
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 3: Do, imagine though, having that in the back of your mind,

1178
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 3: just as you're about to go racing.

1179
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not treating someone like a child. That's giving

1180
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: them the best chance at success.

1181
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 4: It was for me it was the time of learning

1182
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 4: about the media. You have to pardon me if I

1183
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 4: treed on tos you guys, but at one point in time,

1184
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 4: this is when we're splitting from Holden, and the media

1185
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 4: want interviews, interviews, and if he was going to be

1186
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 4: doing all the interviews, he wasn't going to be working

1187
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 4: at trying to get where do we build the cars now?

1188
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 4: Who do we employ? Who do we So he was

1189
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 4: doing that, So I would do the media interviews and

1190
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 4: I had never had to deal with media before. So

1191
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 4: I've got this interview with this guy and he comes

1192
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 4: out and I didn't understand what got me in there,

1193
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 4: And his opening thing was he sets me up. They've

1194
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 4: got the lighting, and he sets me up and he

1195
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 4: says to me, isn't this Peter hiding behind your skirts? O?

1196
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 2: God?

1197
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 4: And I believe it's kind of disgusting thing to say.

1198
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 4: It was seven thirty or something, so the promotion for

1199
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 4: that to go to TV. What a disgusting thing to

1200
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 4: say was what they did. And then people in the

1201
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 4: media when they saw it said to me, you understand

1202
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 4: he was sitting you up? And I said, what do

1203
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 4: you mean he was sitting up? Well, for start, he's

1204
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 4: got the camera sit down though that looks up. He's

1205
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:16,959
Speaker 4: got the lighting sit down, he's got a green lens

1206
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 4: on the camera. So it all is designed to make

1207
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 4: it hawkish, throw shadows, all of those things. And I've

1208
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 4: said that I think seriously. Anyhow, I didn't find that

1209
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 4: out until after, but it taught me then the strategies

1210
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 4: that people would go to the media would go to.

1211
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 4: So I get home from there, I deal with him.

1212
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 4: I get home from there. The phone's ringing its radio

1213
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 4: stations in South Australia and they heard. So you realize

1214
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 4: then that all the media around Australia listened to anything

1215
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 4: that might be interesting. They've got somebody listening and.

1216
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: And that is the beginning in a media sense, that

1217
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: is the beginning of setting a narrative.

1218
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 4: And fair enough, and I understand all that, but when

1219
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 4: you add that, it's okay when everything because he had

1220
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 4: been the media's goldenhead boy and suddenly they decided he's

1221
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 4: the one we go for because it's big stories. And

1222
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 4: so to see him feeling mortally wounded because he'd never

1223
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 4: done anything wrong, and to know that in order for

1224
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 4: him to get through this, we need to have a

1225
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 4: very calm situation. And so we took care of all

1226
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 4: of the tough stuff, and maybe we did treat him

1227
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 4: like it, but then he didn't have time for it also,

1228
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 4: which is fair enough.

1229
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 3: So did you learn from that experience with the media.

1230
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 3: Did you treat every future interview differently?

1231
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 4: I looked more carefully, But Peter actually said to me, Bevo,

1232
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 4: He said, make sure that everybody you talked to in

1233
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 4: the media has our home phone number, our facts details,

1234
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 4: our emails, all of that. And I said to why,

1235
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 4: and he said, if you don't and they write a

1236
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 4: story and you've refused to participate, he said, you've got

1237
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 4: no right to complain about when it's wrong. And so

1238
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 4: God bless you. He'd give everybody a homephone number of

1239
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 4: my details, and somebody had come up to them with

1240
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 4: a personal problem or health problem. I just got to

1241
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 4: call BEV here, here's a number. So the phone. He'd

1242
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 4: come home, he'd be sitting at the kitchen bench, the

1243
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 4: phone would bring and I'd talk on the phone because

1244
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 4: somebody's yeah, the brother's dying and blah blah blah blah blah.

1245
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 4: And don't do that. I said, what do you mean?

1246
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 4: He said, don't talk on the phone when I'm here.

1247
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 4: I'm not home very often. I want to have your attention.

1248
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 4: You're the one that's giving them my number, You're the

1249
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 4: one that's telling them I have the solutions. And so

1250
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 4: it was sort of it was, it got very complex,

1251
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 4: just you know, it was you know, can.

1252
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: I say on top of all that, there was also

1253
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 1: creating a home life as well.

1254
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 4: And at two hunderd Acre property, Yeah.

1255
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 1: It's just stunning property. It was a stun property too. Yeah.

1256
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 4: And we had Peter's parents living we built a house

1257
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 4: for them on our block, and had his aunt and

1258
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 4: uncle living next door who didn't have any children. And

1259
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 4: my father had dementia and came over so I had.

1260
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 4: We had all these oldies and in about five years,

1261
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 4: in over a period about three years, lost five of them.

1262
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 4: So I was nursing them at Omas Wilson.

1263
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 2: It was because that's that's all.

1264
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 4: No, I don't say it for that reason, but I

1265
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 4: look back because it's there to be done. You do it,

1266
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 4: You don't, you don't look at anything else, You just

1267
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 4: do it. And I look at you know, the young

1268
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 4: ones now when they have their kids and they need help,

1269
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:34,919
Speaker 4: and I think, yeah, do.

1270
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 3: You seriously, like that's that's a good point someone.

1271
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 4: We didn't get that help and then we had there

1272
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 4: was no early learning center, no daycare.

1273
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 1: Center, nurse on call, all that sort of stuff, none

1274
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 1: of that. It was always such a welcoming and warm

1275
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 1: place to go to. That's my memories of of your place.

1276
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: And I remember you were talking about the tire situation before.

1277
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 1: I remember this one time God and I remember, like

1278
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 1: I'm genuinely there's two things that I'm genuinely embarrassed to

1279
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 1: talk about. And I didn't think Alex would remember, but

1280
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:15,439
Speaker 1: she remembered that she brought them up one one time

1281
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 1: was and it was it was a It actually gave

1282
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 1: me a lifelong lesson in in kindness. I had the

1283
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 1: I had this little Zuzuki Swift right, and I used

1284
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: to drive it was my first card and I'd drive

1285
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 1: it from you know, into Nutfield at the time, and

1286
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 1: the tires were baled on it. And one time it

1287
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 1: was like I was driving home at like two o'clock

1288
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 1: in the morning or something like that, I ran off

1289
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: the road into some sort of a ditch into some

1290
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 1: poor person's fence, which was a barbed wire fence. And

1291
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 1: I was too embarrassed to like call call for help

1292
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 1: or anything. So there I am two o'clock in the morning.

1293
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 1: It was pissing down with rain. I'm trying to like,

1294
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 1: I'm trying to I'm trying to read. I'm trying to

1295
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 1: pull this barbed wire fence off my little car and

1296
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: then try and get out of the ditch.

1297
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 4: And then in an interesting spot and.

1298
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 1: Some guy pulls over and goes, oh, you need a hand.

1299
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: I'm like yeah, yeah, And I'm like, please, don't be

1300
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 1: the person who lives in this house, and he said, oh,

1301
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 1: I lived just over there.

1302
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1303
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 1: People come off the radio all the time of radio anyway,

1304
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 1: so it sort of helps me take this thing up.

1305
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 1: I drive out of the ditch. And the next day,

1306
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: I think I pulled up in your driveway with a

1307
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 1: scratched up car, and you just went, Okay, you can't

1308
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 1: you can't be doing this, you can't be doing this.

1309
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 1: And obviously you know you can't have your daughter's boyfriend

1310
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 1: at the time driving around with ball tires. Let's let's

1311
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 1: get that fixed. But it was also such a such

1312
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 1: a selfless act of kindness, and I remembered that a lot.

1313
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: And yeah, within BEV made one phone call and within

1314
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 1: within an hour I was down at some garage putting

1315
01:05:55,920 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 1: some Bridge firestones on there. Fantastic tires. Shout out to Bridge.

1316
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 4: Though, amazing company.

1317
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, there was actually this other time right where

1318
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 1: I had a I had a problem with that with

1319
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 1: my car. It just wouldn't start, and I had a

1320
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 1: problem with my cart and wouldn't start. Him like, what

1321
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 1: is going on here? And I was I was still

1322
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 1: I was quite nervous around around Peter, and I was like, oh,

1323
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 1: there's something wrong with my car, and you know, he

1324
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 1: was just enjoying a movie on the couch and he

1325
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 1: sort of comes out, He's like, yeah, just just just

1326
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 1: pops the bonnet. Yeah, just give it a start. Yeah,

1327
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 1: maybe it's the battery. Hang on a second on and

1328
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 1: he sort of goes inside and boils the kettle and

1329
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: sometimes it can be a bit of thick tar around

1330
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: the connections, you know, sort of pour some boiling water

1331
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 1: over there.

1332
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then he.

1333
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 1: Comes around to my driver's side door and I'm in

1334
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 1: there and he just gives me this look, and I'm

1335
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 1: like what, And he just gives me this kind of

1336
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 1: rye look, a mixture of like this sort of smerk.

1337
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 1: And it also mate just goes put it into park.

1338
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I think about that and I cringe.

1339
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 4: But look with him with cars, he had this uncanny neck,

1340
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 4: which is why he could drive cars that other guys

1341
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 4: would pop in and couldn't drive. But when it came

1342
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 4: to home cars, it's the same thing happened. And I

1343
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 4: left him home one Saturday morning and I had taken

1344
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 4: our car and gone up to Saint Andrew's Markets, the

1345
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 4: local big markets. Everybody has a ball park the car.

1346
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 4: I go into the market, so I come out, get

1347
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 4: back in the car to go home. Turn the key on,

1348
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 4: won't start. Smoke smoke pouring into the cabin. I can

1349
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 4: smell it. I turned the key on. Oh God, lifted

1350
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 4: up the bonnet, went looked, couldn't see anything. It looked underneath,

1351
01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 4: couldn't see anything. Had another go smoke.

1352
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 2: God.

1353
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 4: So a couple of the young guys in the district

1354
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 4: who had worked on were working on our place, walked

1355
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 4: past and I said to them, look, I've got problems

1356
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 4: the car. You know, we go to start it and

1357
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 4: it's smoking. Oh go bebo. So they hop in and

1358
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 4: go to start smoke. They don't want to touch. They don't

1359
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 4: want to see the whole car go up one of it,

1360
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,680
Speaker 4: you know, good holding cars go up and smoke. So

1361
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 4: I said, look, it's all right, I'll bring Peter and

1362
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 4: get him to come up. They said, yeah, I ring

1363
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 4: him to come up. So I've wrung him time. As

1364
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 4: he come up, he said, boy, what's going on? I

1365
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 4: explained to him. You know, turn the keyon smoke every

1366
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 4: wed Oh God, hops in, turns the key on, the

1367
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:43,760
Speaker 4: car starts immediately, no smoke, just got the touch and

1368
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 4: the guys standing there. I'm looking there and I thought, yeah,

1369
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:50,959
Speaker 4: of course. But that's the thing that he had something

1370
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:54,799
Speaker 4: and I could never understand it. He had a connection

1371
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 4: where he and a car whatever car, we're just they

1372
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 4: understood each They just you know, and you sort of

1373
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 4: it's intimidating because it makes you very weary about asking

1374
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 4: him next time round.

1375
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially when he comes along and it just switches on.

1376
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 4: He did tell me one stage, and apologies to anybody

1377
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 4: listening to this who thinks you know badly of Peter

1378
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 4: for this, but on one he didn't drink. And if

1379
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 4: he did have a drink at what he wasn't a

1380
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 4: good drinker by any means, what you'd call a two

1381
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 4: pot screamer. So I would have to drive if he

1382
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 4: had a drink, which is fine. So driving one night,

1383
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 4: and because he was a shocking back seat driver, he

1384
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,639
Speaker 4: taught me. He gave me driving lessons for twenty eight

1385
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 4: years and I never succeeded about it. But this particular time,

1386
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 4: driving home, he's giving me an instruction and I obviously didn't.

1387
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 4: I wasn't quite perfect enough. He said, giving you a

1388
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 4: good car to drive is like feeding strawberries to pigs.

1389
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:54,599
Speaker 1: Jesus.

1390
01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:00,639
Speaker 4: He stopped a car, slammed on the brakes, out, walked

1391
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:04,640
Speaker 4: around to the passenger site. Get over there, mate. So

1392
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 4: whether he drunk or not, we weren't they far from home,

1393
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 4: but he could just say because he assumed that everybody

1394
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 4: else had that connection.

1395
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 1: With Kes and we did.

1396
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:16,599
Speaker 2: Yep.

1397
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:17,640
Speaker 4: It's just the way it what.

1398
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:20,679
Speaker 1: It's such of a it's such a focus. I've always

1399
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 1: admired that sort of thing because when you are in

1400
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 1: a car of that capacity and you're on a race

1401
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 1: track or whatever, there's so much this focus, and there's feel,

1402
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 1: and there's so much like natural intuition when you're feeling

1403
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 1: sort of a road. It's not just it's everything all

1404
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 1: your senses. And I think that's that's one of the

1405
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:42,599
Speaker 1: things about the Bathist one thousand as well.

1406
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 3: It's but that's the point of difference because everyone can

1407
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 3: have the same car, but it comes down to that

1408
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 3: next little bit, and that's it's that next little bit

1409
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:51,559
Speaker 3: that gets you the win.

1410
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 4: Earlier in the piece at Colder, for example, they had

1411
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:58,679
Speaker 4: a series of races where they all rove the same

1412
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 4: car with the same engine capacity and he's still won.

1413
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 3: So that's that's the key difference, right, That's that's where

1414
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 3: you're willing to take perhaps a bit more risk and

1415
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 3: you're willing to put more on the line to get

1416
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:12,640
Speaker 3: that win. And that's where you're going to you're going

1417
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 3: to find the difference, you.

1418
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 4: Know with that stuff. I mean, you know, occasionally you'd

1419
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 4: get high profile sports people who get a hot lap.

1420
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 4: Surprising number of them embarrass themselves in the journey when

1421
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 4: they're getting out of the track. It was just, you know,

1422
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 4: one of those things that he could you know, I

1423
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 4: mean you look at the Baffirst where he won by

1424
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 4: six laps. I mean, it couldn't happen again because these

1425
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 4: days that you know, when you've got the safety cars

1426
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:42,640
Speaker 4: and all that sort of stuff. But that was the

1427
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 4: easiest race he ever won ever drive. You know, to him,

1428
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 4: the races that meant most were the ones where he he,

1429
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 4: for what one reason or another, had to start from

1430
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 4: the back of the grid and then to come through

1431
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:55,480
Speaker 4: and win that race. It's a yeah, that one's achievement.

1432
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 4: That's an achievement. But in terms of, you know, ordinary race,

1433
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:04,240
Speaker 4: he was never interested in what the opposition were doing.

1434
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 4: The crew could go and find out, but he didn't care.

1435
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 4: He said, all we do is we focus on what

1436
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 4: we're doing the best we can best. I can go

1437
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,799
Speaker 4: down the straight, the best turn, that corner the best.

1438
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 4: That's where my focus is. Nowhere else, and so he

1439
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 4: taught me about the whole thing and forget everything else.

1440
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:23,799
Speaker 4: It's what you're doing right now in that now moment.

1441
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 4: And one year we had Holden had young Lions, so

1442
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 4: they were bringing the young drivers through and we and

1443
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:34,639
Speaker 4: each of the leading teams had one of the young lions.

1444
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:38,639
Speaker 4: So we got one and Peter was intent on teaching

1445
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 4: and talking to him all that sort of stuff. And

1446
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 4: we've walked into our caravan Tom and he's sitting there

1447
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 4: and he's got this motivational speaker with him who's making

1448
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 4: him rehearse his speech when he won the race at

1449
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:56,720
Speaker 4: the end of the day, hasn't he We told her

1450
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 4: to leave and we've said to him, mate, it's not

1451
01:12:59,280 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 4: how it works.

1452
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 2: He is crazy here.

1453
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 4: That's straight round the corner, up the next straight, nowhere else.

1454
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 4: You're not thinking about the end of the race. You're

1455
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 4: thinking about here. And the guy said, yeah, great. So

1456
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 4: the warm up comes for the race before the Race

1457
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 4: of the Stars, you get a lap, we take the

1458
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 4: cars down, warm them up. What does he do it

1459
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 4: gets it coming around the top? Crang's the car? Does

1460
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:20,840
Speaker 4: he get to start the race?

1461
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 2: He's busy thinking about his victory speech. It's unbelievable.

1462
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 4: And so it's opportunities like that that I you know,

1463
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 4: Peter was so profound, he was so strong with the

1464
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 4: messages that he got out and for the ones who listened,

1465
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 4: like Craig listened because he was young, they made a

1466
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:40,240
Speaker 4: great thing. But there's a lot of other drivers there

1467
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:45,879
Speaker 4: that were fantastic drivers, but they didn't necessarily have the engineering,

1468
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 4: no house, they didn't necessarily have patients with the media,

1469
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,880
Speaker 4: they didn't have the fan base followings. All of those

1470
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:58,640
Speaker 4: various things made a huge difference, which is why, you know,

1471
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 4: Peter and Moffin it stood out because they had more

1472
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 4: than just a driver, a driving skill. You know, it

1473
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 4: is a package. You know, as you say, there's so

1474
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:12,679
Speaker 4: much going on, it's so forll On, but unless you're

1475
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 4: you know, I look at these race drivers, they're not

1476
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:19,759
Speaker 4: just tuns. They are intelligent, amazing individuals who have managed

1477
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 4: to stitch together all these attributes and make something of it.

1478
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 3: Well, it seems Lownsey has done a fair job at that.

1479
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 3: Like he's really good with the media. He seems very

1480
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 3: patient and an excellent driver as well, and I think

1481
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 3: he learned a lot.

1482
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 4: He did and Peter worked really good. Yeah, I won't

1483
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 4: mention names, but there were a couple of others who

1484
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 4: didn't listen, and we're very happy to go around and

1485
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 4: criticize whenever they didn't think anyone was listening. But it

1486
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 4: had always comes back absolutely.

1487
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:47,600
Speaker 2: It's a very small.

1488
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1489
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm curious for there ever discussions for Peter to

1490
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 3: get into F one because I know that would have

1491
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 3: been the next logical step. Right.

1492
01:14:55,600 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 4: He drove open wheelers here. He had a an open

1493
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 4: wheeler in the category early in the piece, and his

1494
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:06,559
Speaker 4: father worked on the car for it, which was great,

1495
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 4: but as he said, the fans don't support it here

1496
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 4: in Australia, sponsors don't support what's the point in miss

1497
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 4: putting all my time into this when it doesn't have

1498
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:20,759
Speaker 4: the support in Australia. And you know, he was asked

1499
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 4: to race oversea. I mean he drove early back in

1500
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:26,880
Speaker 4: the early seventies. He drove it to a Spa with

1501
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:30,400
Speaker 4: Jerry Marshall for the English driver and you know he

1502
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 4: got a lot of requests to drive there because then

1503
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:34,719
Speaker 4: we did Spa and Lemon and that sort of stuff.

1504
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 4: So he but that was driving a car that Australia

1505
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:40,120
Speaker 4: is related to and therefore he had he didn't have

1506
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:43,680
Speaker 4: any trouble getting sponsorship. Did he like being away from home?

1507
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 4: Absolutely not. I who was going to cook him and

1508
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:51,800
Speaker 4: lays close out in the morning and put his map

1509
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 4: for He'd get his schedule for the day and I'd

1510
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 4: have it photocopied, and I have the page of the

1511
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 4: back then the road directory and have it all laying

1512
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:04,040
Speaker 4: out waiting for him, so that he was up. It's

1513
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 4: the only way he could get with his change of

1514
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 4: clothes because he'd have to go from a media meeting

1515
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:10,720
Speaker 4: to a board meeting to you know, so he'd have

1516
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 4: to have the full range of gears, so you'd have

1517
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 4: to lay his clothes, his information, all of that.

1518
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 3: That is amazing. He was very fortunate to have you.

1519
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's pretty awesome. He was.

1520
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's you know, I mean it was a

1521
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:23,000
Speaker 4: joint venture.

1522
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1523
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 4: And when sort of it was all coming to and

1524
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:27,680
Speaker 4: he said, Bebbo, he said, I think I've taught you

1525
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 4: everything you need to know.

1526
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:30,559
Speaker 2: You'll be fine, You'll be right.

1527
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:34,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Can I ask Actually, it's cool if you don't

1528
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 1: want to if you don't want to go there but

1529
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:39,720
Speaker 1: that day when he was doing the Tiger West and

1530
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:42,880
Speaker 1: you get that phone call about his passing. I mean,

1531
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 1: that's a phone call. Was that a phone call the

1532
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:46,400
Speaker 1: way you found out it was?

1533
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 4: But I don't know who called. And it was a

1534
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 4: woman's voice, and she just said there's been an accident.

1535
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 4: And for me, in having teenage kids at the time,

1536
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 4: I'm thinking which one of the kids, And she said, no,

1537
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:00,799
Speaker 4: it's not the kids. He said it's Peter. He hasn't

1538
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:04,320
Speaker 4: made it and hung up the phone. And so I've

1539
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:06,880
Speaker 4: got this phone call, and I'm sitting there thinking, and

1540
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:09,680
Speaker 4: I've got to let the kids know. But I can

1541
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 4: hear a helicopter and I looked out the window and

1542
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 4: the cars and so the media landing in the paddock,

1543
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 4: that driving up the drive. The camera's wearing. I've got

1544
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:21,000
Speaker 4: to go out and talk to them. And I hadn't

1545
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 4: told the kids. So Jamie, the eldest, was doing an

1546
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 4: interview with somebody for a magazine and the guy doing

1547
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 4: the interview got the phone call and Jamie was saying,

1548
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 4: just look at this guy. He's gone white. He didn't

1549
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 4: even what's wrong. The guy had to tell him. Rob

1550
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 4: worked with He's soon to be fiance at computer Share

1551
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:45,599
Speaker 4: so I could ring her and get her to tell

1552
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 4: him and Alexander had gone to the movie's gone to

1553
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 4: see a goal. All she'd said was she'd gone to

1554
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 4: a gold Star movie and I knew what movie it was,

1555
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 4: so I had to look and find out and get her.

1556
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:57,320
Speaker 4: When she gets out of there, her phone's going to

1557
01:17:57,320 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 4: get So I got a girlfriend to go and sit,

1558
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:04,639
Speaker 4: track down, sit outside. So you don't get the privilege

1559
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 4: when you got a public profile, you don't get the

1560
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 4: privilege where you had no private time. And we're no

1561
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:16,680
Speaker 4: sooner dealt with that, and the funeral comes and you're

1562
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 4: sitting there and then the media stuff for the will

1563
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 4: went on for nearly two years. So it was excuse me,

1564
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 4: it was shit time. It was not an easy time.

1565
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:32,480
Speaker 1: And in that time, do you have time to yourself?

1566
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 1: Does it take it? Is it years after where you

1567
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:38,720
Speaker 1: can sort of sit down and process it? Is there?

1568
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 4: Look, The interesting thing is i was teaching life skills

1569
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 4: at the local community living and Learning center, and I'm

1570
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 4: thinking about my kids, and I'm thinking about the fact

1571
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 4: that I'm teaching life skills how to cope and stress,

1572
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 4: and I feel if I stuffed. If I fall apart now,

1573
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 4: I'm not going to be an example for my kids

1574
01:18:57,120 --> 01:19:00,559
Speaker 4: and I will have no right to teach life schools

1575
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 4: because if you can't manage it. So the whole time,

1576
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:06,559
Speaker 4: I've got this conversation going on in my head. You

1577
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 4: have to do this, you have to stay on top,

1578
01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 4: you have to do all that. But then you know,

1579
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:15,639
Speaker 4: also had to sell the farm, all the legal stuff.

1580
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 4: There were five six legal teams working on all this stuff,

1581
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 4: and you just it just was an ongoing nightmare. You know,

1582
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:25,600
Speaker 4: you just it's a debarcle that, but you don't have

1583
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 4: any choice. It's there. You've got to deal with it.

1584
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 3: So, yeah, these processes are meant to make stuff simple,

1585
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 3: but they don't.

1586
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 2: Definitely don't.

1587
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 4: They don't. And for me, I have to be completely honest.

1588
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 4: The media were amazing. They hated what they were having

1589
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:42,720
Speaker 4: to do, but there was a job they had to

1590
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:46,599
Speaker 4: do it. And you know the other there was two

1591
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:50,000
Speaker 4: slight examples where one woman from Sydney and one was

1592
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 4: a go here in Melbourne that were a little bit off.

1593
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 4: But I have been given a really good run by

1594
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 4: little media. So and because they appreciated the awkward situation,

1595
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 4: I was in, so you know, they've been very kind.

1596
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, you were talking about this just before

1597
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:09,360
Speaker 1: you came in, but we're talking about the fact that say,

1598
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:15,240
Speaker 1: Target Tazzy has been paused and Target all together all together. Yeah, yeah,

1599
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:16,559
Speaker 1: how do you feel about that?

1600
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:20,360
Speaker 4: On one hand, I'm torn because you know, people and

1601
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 4: say guys, and I'm not meaning you know, but it's

1602
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 4: more men, far more men than what women do. You know,

1603
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 4: that's the reality. They are adrenaline driven junkies, most of them,

1604
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 4: and they enjoy that, then they should be able to

1605
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:40,640
Speaker 4: do it. But if, as Target Tazzy has shown of

1606
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 4: late that you know, it's lost, far too many could

1607
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 4: drive its that conditions are not what they need to be.

1608
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 4: I feel very much for the families when the drivers

1609
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:53,240
Speaker 4: or the navigators and that lose their life. I feel

1610
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:56,599
Speaker 4: for them because I know what they're going through. I

1611
01:20:56,680 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 4: hated it when people said to me, but he died

1612
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 4: doing what he loved. What a load of toss. I mean,

1613
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 4: here's this guy who's taught class driving all these years.

1614
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:12,080
Speaker 4: He's the five face all of these things about responsible

1615
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 4: and class driving and being watching what you do on

1616
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:19,080
Speaker 4: the road. For him to have died in that fashion

1617
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 4: would have been the most embarrassing thing for him ever.

1618
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 4: And so it pissed me off when people would say, oh,

1619
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 4: but he died doing what he loved. Absolute toss. Absolute toss,

1620
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:32,760
Speaker 4: because six weeks before he died, he had wrung me

1621
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 4: and had told me that he was sorry he had

1622
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 4: failed as a partner, as a father, as a member

1623
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 4: of the community, had never contributed anything worthwhile, and he

1624
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 4: absolutely believed that it was sad because we didn't see

1625
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 4: it that way. We didn't see him as failure in

1626
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 4: any way. I mean, I don't know how he did

1627
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 4: all the things he did, but it just gave me

1628
01:21:57,439 --> 01:22:01,599
Speaker 4: the inkliner in understanding that it People were not talking

1629
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 4: about mental illness in sport. That was only just starting

1630
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:09,599
Speaker 4: that when we're talking sixteen years ago. So the fact

1631
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:14,560
Speaker 4: that he was retiring and didn't want to. He was

1632
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:19,960
Speaker 4: a peter pan, perpetual young thing that was big enough

1633
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 4: on its own, and he didn't. He said to me,

1634
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 4: the reason he'd wrung me was to actually tell me

1635
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 4: that he had finally retired. He was it, That was it?

1636
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 4: No more bevo, He said, I know it would mean

1637
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 4: more to you to hear that than anybody else, and

1638
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 4: you know, he said all the other things. So that's fine.

1639
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 4: But then the day that I find out he's died,

1640
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 4: I found out he's in that event. We didn't even

1641
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 4: know he was in the event. He hadn't had the

1642
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 4: courage to tell us because he'd already broken to us

1643
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:53,840
Speaker 4: that he retired. And so whatever it was that convinced

1644
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 4: him to go out and have one more go was

1645
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 4: who was he trying to prove it to himself? He

1646
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 4: didn't need to prove anything to prove and you know,

1647
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 4: to go in the way he did. You know, you

1648
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 4: just look and you think, well, it's also wrong, but

1649
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:11,479
Speaker 4: it's real.

1650
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 2: That's what happens when.

1651
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 4: You say about targer, you know, limiting and that. Yeah,

1652
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 4: there is a time when they have to you know,

1653
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 4: set some regulations. You can't simply have people continually work.

1654
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 4: I mean, the safety gear is what they wear, the

1655
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 4: way the cars are built. There shouldn't be any deaths.

1656
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:33,479
Speaker 2: Exactly in the sport at all. And that's the thing.

1657
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:36,880
Speaker 3: Somebody with Peter's skill, if they can die in an

1658
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 3: event like that, that means that an average Joe who's

1659
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 3: gone and spend.

1660
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:43,760
Speaker 1: A couple Yeah, a lot of wealthy people that hobbyists

1661
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 1: or so.

1662
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:46,840
Speaker 4: Following that I got I did a lot of public

1663
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 4: speaking with road safety. I was on the patron for

1664
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:56,320
Speaker 4: the Road Trauma Association and i'd go up to with

1665
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:59,639
Speaker 4: the Australian Road Safety Foundation. I'd go up and we'd

1666
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 4: talk do safety talks in the minds up from Coeensland

1667
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:04,880
Speaker 4: and stuff like that. And the thing for me, the

1668
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:07,439
Speaker 4: way I would put it across is, look, here's somebody

1669
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 4: who is seen to be the best drita in top

1670
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:14,719
Speaker 4: competitive sport in Australia, thirteenth in the world wide best ones.

1671
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 4: And I said, and he can still lose his life.

1672
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:19,240
Speaker 4: So you guys, let's look at this and see what

1673
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 4: it is you've got to change to make sure that

1674
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:23,840
Speaker 4: you don't put your families in the situation that we

1675
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:26,400
Speaker 4: found out. So when you can get it down to

1676
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:31,719
Speaker 4: those basic things, it can sometimes penetrate and make a difference.

1677
01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:36,040
Speaker 4: So if out of something that really sucks, you can

1678
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 4: turn something if in any way it can stop somebody

1679
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:43,679
Speaker 4: else from decision. So I look at target and things

1680
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:46,080
Speaker 4: like that. Nothing, Well I'm out. I've got nothing to

1681
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:48,679
Speaker 4: do with the decision making. But please be careful.

1682
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:52,719
Speaker 1: Well it's such an interesting race too, because there's nothing

1683
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:57,639
Speaker 1: that you know these targets. They're really individual style races.

1684
01:24:57,680 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 1: I mean the fact that you're going through small country

1685
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:03,320
Speaker 1: towns roads. It's like a hay bail sort of barrier

1686
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:07,799
Speaker 1: and you can just go at it like a wild person.

1687
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 3: But it's very different to a racetrack. At a racetrack

1688
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:13,840
Speaker 3: you have so much safety. You've got runoff areas. Some

1689
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:16,400
Speaker 3: of these places, you've got trees both sides of the road.

1690
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:19,720
Speaker 3: The weather can change very quickly, so you know the

1691
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:21,760
Speaker 3: car ahead could be in a different road condition to use.

1692
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 3: Someone can spill oil, which you don't even know about

1693
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:24,679
Speaker 3: until you get there.

1694
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:27,280
Speaker 2: There's just so many variables that you don't have at

1695
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:27,879
Speaker 2: a racetrack.

1696
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 3: And yeah, look to me, I've done a couple of

1697
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:34,439
Speaker 3: those events, just an enturing stages which are speed limited,

1698
01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 3: and even that, to me, I'm definitely not a race drive,

1699
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:39,720
Speaker 3: but sort of you know, white knuckled. I can't even

1700
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:41,000
Speaker 3: imagine what it would be like when there is no

1701
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:43,800
Speaker 3: speed limit and you're up against a clock like you are.

1702
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 3: You are wanting to go fast, but it's well.

1703
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 4: Where Peter METI's end. It was just up the road

1704
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:52,760
Speaker 4: from where I grew up with this as king, oh

1705
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:55,080
Speaker 4: you're kid, and I was asked to go back at number.

1706
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:57,960
Speaker 4: I'm not good, No thanks, no way. I don't need

1707
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:02,280
Speaker 4: to be seeing that it's just you. And at Bathurst,

1708
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:05,799
Speaker 4: I was up there a couple of weeks ago because

1709
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 4: my middle son lives on Conrod Straight and so I

1710
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 4: went up there because his kids came down from Queensland

1711
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:15,400
Speaker 4: for holidays. So I went up spent a couple of

1712
01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:19,800
Speaker 4: days up there and had another visitor who's a gold

1713
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 4: medal winner at the Olympics, came up to visit me

1714
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:26,439
Speaker 4: and took him on a lap around. I said, no,

1715
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 4: you're driving, and just he was absolutely. You know when

1716
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:34,880
Speaker 4: you've come across skyline and you're getting down through the

1717
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 4: ass and oh god, it scares hell out of most people,

1718
01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 4: and yet they just freeze through your notes.

1719
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:42,360
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing.

1720
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 3: If you haven't been there, you don't know the elevation changes,

1721
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:48,719
Speaker 3: and the elevation change is ridiculous. You are literally climbing

1722
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 3: a steep road and they're flying through there. It is

1723
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 3: a remarkable track, and I think you look at tracks

1724
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:57,160
Speaker 3: around the world, nothing else really compares to it. And

1725
01:26:57,160 --> 01:27:01,439
Speaker 3: they're actually having discussions at the moment at Spa with

1726
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:05,320
Speaker 3: that second batters Yeah, and then Hockenheim.

1727
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:08,679
Speaker 4: You know, I mean Spa is an amazing track out

1728
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 4: in the forest and all that is beautiful.

1729
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 3: They're talking about the safety stuff there at the moment

1730
01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:15,760
Speaker 3: as well, because they're constantly losing people there.

1731
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:19,000
Speaker 4: You know, we well, last twenty four hour race, we

1732
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:22,360
Speaker 4: did Oh my god, that's the pits were as you

1733
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:27,000
Speaker 4: come up the hill. Then basic rules were non existent.

1734
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 4: We had in our pits, had a forty four fuel

1735
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:34,560
Speaker 4: gallon fuel and on top of that a bit of

1736
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 4: wood and a chair and I'd sit on the chair

1737
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:40,439
Speaker 4: to do the timing. But then the corporate hospitality was

1738
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 4: above and somebody and somebody dropped the umbrella hit me

1739
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:47,880
Speaker 4: on the top of the head. When the cars coming in,

1740
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:50,120
Speaker 4: I'd have to find a way leap down off this

1741
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:54,080
Speaker 4: structure to go in and get the food to feed

1742
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:56,920
Speaker 4: them all. In the moments with the pits, it just

1743
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:01,040
Speaker 4: Spa was. You know, you could wear what girlies in

1744
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:04,320
Speaker 4: their bikinis and wander along into the pit area and

1745
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 4: you just for our guys to get to the car.

1746
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:09,800
Speaker 4: They developed a technique. They had a long bit of rope.

1747
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 4: One would stand in front of the car and one

1748
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:12,479
Speaker 4: at the back, and it'd be laying on the ground

1749
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:14,160
Speaker 4: and when they needed them they had to pull the

1750
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:17,320
Speaker 4: rope tight and it it just toss all these clever

1751
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:21,200
Speaker 4: little dollies in their bikinis and out of the way.

1752
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:30,639
Speaker 4: Just spa was a very very unique situation. Very but again,

1753
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:33,519
Speaker 4: how many people in their life can find you know,

1754
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:37,439
Speaker 4: for somebody like me who grew up barefooted, horse and

1755
01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 4: cart ends up meeting going to the most amazing places,

1756
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:44,920
Speaker 4: meeting the most amazing people, doing the most amazing things.

1757
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:46,880
Speaker 4: So when people say to me, I feel sorry for

1758
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 4: you've done it. I've had the best life. Has it

1759
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:50,839
Speaker 4: been perfect?

1760
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:51,639
Speaker 1: No?

1761
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:54,680
Speaker 4: I mean who has a perfect line. We're all going

1762
01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:57,800
Speaker 4: to die eventually, that's the reality.

1763
01:28:58,120 --> 01:29:00,160
Speaker 1: If you could see that, if you could see the

1764
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:02,240
Speaker 1: life on a board, would there be anything you change?

1765
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:08,000
Speaker 4: No? Not really. I mean there are a few people

1766
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 4: that probably choose not to overly have a presence in

1767
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:14,960
Speaker 4: my life. But other than that, No.

1768
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:17,880
Speaker 3: Just before you came in as well, I was having

1769
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:21,519
Speaker 3: a bit of a laugh with Gordy. I know that

1770
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:25,920
Speaker 3: you mentioned before the situation with you know, with sponsors

1771
01:29:26,200 --> 01:29:29,000
Speaker 3: and needing to make ends meet. How do you find

1772
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 3: people who are using Peter's name to make a buck?

1773
01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:35,879
Speaker 2: Because we found plain of our existence.

1774
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:37,840
Speaker 3: I found this on carsle so one and a half

1775
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:41,080
Speaker 3: million bucks for a VX Series two manual.

1776
01:29:41,080 --> 01:29:42,600
Speaker 4: That I don't you don't have to give it to

1777
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:44,160
Speaker 4: me any closer. Do you know his car that way?

1778
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:48,320
Speaker 4: It's Roberts, our middle son's car, right, Peter bought it

1779
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:53,080
Speaker 4: for him, and so therefore Peter's name is on THEOIC

1780
01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:57,880
Speaker 4: the invoice certificate. Interesting and it's it was a very

1781
01:29:58,160 --> 01:29:58,720
Speaker 4: or card.

1782
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:01,040
Speaker 2: Well that's what I thought. It was a V six manual.

1783
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:04,360
Speaker 2: Dead in a V six manual exactly.

1784
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:07,080
Speaker 4: It was for Rob to get around it, and he

1785
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 4: actually had a head on our driveway with Catherine's boyfriend.

1786
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:15,440
Speaker 4: He was coming up and Rob was going down and

1787
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:21,040
Speaker 4: they which was thank you for that, and yeah that

1788
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:23,160
Speaker 4: was that was somebody else we had living in that much.

1789
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:26,679
Speaker 4: And so we had to change our drive from being

1790
01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:28,760
Speaker 4: a one way to a big loop so that that

1791
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:31,720
Speaker 4: didn't happen to busy. But that when Rob when they

1792
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:33,439
Speaker 4: got in touch with him and said that somebody wandered

1793
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:35,879
Speaker 4: that they wanted a million and a half. We just laughed.

1794
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:40,439
Speaker 4: Absolutely the number of times I have to authenticate and

1795
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:43,000
Speaker 4: go through and a lot of them have faired income.

1796
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:46,439
Speaker 4: But there are some there that one guy wanted me

1797
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:49,080
Speaker 4: to sign because often it's the glove box because I

1798
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:51,320
Speaker 4: do quite a few car shows and that sort of stuff.

1799
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:55,960
Speaker 4: That's and I get I signed cars. I personally think

1800
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:59,160
Speaker 4: it's taking turning down the car a bit, but people

1801
01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:00,920
Speaker 4: still want me to sign. So it's a glove box lit.

1802
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:02,720
Speaker 4: So this guy gets in touch with me. He wants

1803
01:31:02,760 --> 01:31:04,600
Speaker 4: me to sign the glob. Yeah, that's fine. So he

1804
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:07,880
Speaker 4: lives in Diamond Creek. Apparently gives me the address, see

1805
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:09,800
Speaker 4: you at ten o'clock on Saturday. So I go there

1806
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:11,960
Speaker 4: to the address ten o'clock Saturday morning, knock on the door.

1807
01:31:13,400 --> 01:31:15,640
Speaker 4: Bloke's not there. The woman, the woman who lives in

1808
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:19,639
Speaker 4: so and so. Never heard of them. It's a beggar.

1809
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:22,280
Speaker 4: Pardon I was told to come here at two o'clock. No,

1810
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 4: that's our name. We've lived here for years. And I'm

1811
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:27,800
Speaker 4: thinking I've walked out and I've got my texture in

1812
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:31,000
Speaker 4: my hand, and this bloke comes out from behind a tree.

1813
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:34,680
Speaker 4: I've just picked somebody's place to where he can hide.

1814
01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:36,479
Speaker 3: Because he thinks that you'll think it's okay because it's

1815
01:31:36,479 --> 01:31:37,040
Speaker 3: just down the road.

1816
01:31:37,080 --> 01:31:37,320
Speaker 2: Sort of.

1817
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:42,439
Speaker 4: I believe it's sign it because if they've got to

1818
01:31:42,479 --> 01:31:45,519
Speaker 4: sign on, whether it's a glove box, whether it's in

1819
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:47,960
Speaker 4: the engine, no matter what it is, it adds a

1820
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:50,960
Speaker 4: bit of a graceful the number of people who have

1821
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:53,720
Speaker 4: wanted to buy my car it was your car and

1822
01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:56,240
Speaker 4: they wanted the extra insurance and it's going to cost

1823
01:31:56,280 --> 01:31:58,720
Speaker 4: this much. I think, what for a car I drove

1824
01:31:58,760 --> 01:31:59,439
Speaker 4: for two weeks.

1825
01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:00,960
Speaker 3: You know.

1826
01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:05,680
Speaker 1: It's funny Peter signature as well, because my mates went

1827
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:09,720
Speaker 1: to a car show, whether it be the Melbourne Car

1828
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:13,839
Speaker 1: Show whatever. I hadn't long been dating Alex at the time,

1829
01:32:14,240 --> 01:32:17,280
Speaker 1: and my my rat bag mates went up to him

1830
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:25,800
Speaker 1: and go where Gordy's mates And he goes, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1831
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:28,559
Speaker 1: he wants to get a Tarana, which is true, and

1832
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:31,840
Speaker 1: he's got he gets this poster and he goes, hang

1833
01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:34,400
Speaker 1: on a second and he just goes to hear Gordy

1834
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:43,240
Speaker 1: forget Tarana's keep with the swift. And then I'd seen

1835
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:45,640
Speaker 1: him that day and he just looked at me and

1836
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:48,240
Speaker 1: pointed and I said, what he goes, You don't know

1837
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:53,200
Speaker 1: you you'll find out. My mates with this just couldn't

1838
01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:56,160
Speaker 1: wait to come over and show me this post so good.

1839
01:32:56,200 --> 01:33:00,320
Speaker 4: In terms of cars, which is really supposedly what this

1840
01:33:00,360 --> 01:33:03,439
Speaker 4: is largely about. At one point in time, and I

1841
01:33:03,479 --> 01:33:06,280
Speaker 4: hadn't been living down here in Melbourne all that long.

1842
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:11,920
Speaker 4: Peter was running in the Alpine Rally and I was

1843
01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:13,400
Speaker 4: to drive up. He had been up the other day

1844
01:33:13,439 --> 01:33:17,519
Speaker 4: or so beforehand. Well, Commodore was just about to be released.

1845
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:19,920
Speaker 4: It hadn't been released, but Peter had one of the

1846
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:21,840
Speaker 4: pre release cars as a test car.

1847
01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:23,320
Speaker 2: And what year was this?

1848
01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:26,880
Speaker 4: It has to be back in seventy years yep, six

1849
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:31,880
Speaker 4: seventy seven or something. So I've got his road car

1850
01:33:31,960 --> 01:33:33,880
Speaker 4: and I'm driving up to meet them up there on

1851
01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:38,439
Speaker 4: the on the Saturday, halfway through the rally. So I've

1852
01:33:38,439 --> 01:33:42,280
Speaker 4: headed off in this Commodore and not taking the full

1853
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:45,880
Speaker 4: im peptop it, and I'm heading up towards Seymour and

1854
01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:47,840
Speaker 4: these two young guys in the car behind me have

1855
01:33:47,960 --> 01:33:52,720
Speaker 4: seen new car pre release, and so I'm coming up

1856
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:54,400
Speaker 4: right I'm a bumper, and they're looking and pulling right

1857
01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:57,479
Speaker 4: inside and I'm looking and I'm freaking, and I'm thinking.

1858
01:33:57,640 --> 01:34:00,680
Speaker 4: So I've put my foot down and taken off and

1859
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:04,559
Speaker 4: out from behind a tree sets of policeman with a thing.

1860
01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:05,080
Speaker 2: Stop.

1861
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:10,600
Speaker 4: So I've pulled over, I've stopped, and he booked me

1862
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:12,519
Speaker 4: for doing one hundred and ten K.

1863
01:34:13,720 --> 01:34:14,920
Speaker 1: And I said, well, what about it?

1864
01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:19,160
Speaker 4: I say, for Haldway, what about the guys who were

1865
01:34:19,160 --> 01:34:21,559
Speaker 4: hassling me? They didn't I know, we hadn't seen those.

1866
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:26,200
Speaker 4: So apparently the helicopter up there right sees a car speeding,

1867
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:28,960
Speaker 4: get calls down to the cop steps out behind a tree, stopped,

1868
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:35,360
Speaker 4: so I get a I get a speeding fight exceeding

1869
01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:38,559
Speaker 4: one hundred K. Blah blah blah blah blah, and forget that,

1870
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:41,320
Speaker 4: put it, put it aside, go up up there for

1871
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:44,280
Speaker 4: the rally, come home come Monday morning. I thought, this

1872
01:34:44,439 --> 01:34:49,439
Speaker 4: is pre computer days. Maybe it's wise that I actually

1873
01:34:49,479 --> 01:34:53,519
Speaker 4: go in and get my license changed to a Victorian life,

1874
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:57,360
Speaker 4: which I did, because that's what people do when you're

1875
01:34:57,360 --> 01:35:01,840
Speaker 4: moving a state. I now had a Victorian license in

1876
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:05,960
Speaker 4: the new South Wales. License never came out of my

1877
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:10,080
Speaker 4: handbag again, so I was very naughty. But it shows

1878
01:35:10,120 --> 01:35:12,720
Speaker 4: the impact and these days you don't see that. But

1879
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:14,880
Speaker 4: back then, when a new car, a new model. It

1880
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:17,559
Speaker 4: was big interest and everybody wanted to see you.

1881
01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:22,479
Speaker 3: Know well, I mean, Australian manufacturing is non exist dead now.

1882
01:35:23,240 --> 01:35:25,360
Speaker 3: We film a lot of our content at lang Lang,

1883
01:35:25,439 --> 01:35:30,240
Speaker 3: the old old moving ground. You've got some history there.

1884
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:32,960
Speaker 3: That place has been around for ages. It's sad to

1885
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:36,719
Speaker 3: me personally that that's going to disappear. Someday it's ready

1886
01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:39,000
Speaker 3: on the market today housing it'll be.

1887
01:35:40,240 --> 01:35:41,479
Speaker 2: Blocking units or something.

1888
01:35:42,040 --> 01:35:46,320
Speaker 3: I just feel like, you know, Holden, while it was Australian,

1889
01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:48,040
Speaker 3: it sort of worked well, but there was always that

1890
01:35:48,120 --> 01:35:52,160
Speaker 3: American overlord. And then now that they've killed it, they've

1891
01:35:52,200 --> 01:35:54,479
Speaker 3: taken all the history with them. No one knows where

1892
01:35:54,479 --> 01:35:57,679
Speaker 3: any of these documents are, Like, it's all just gone.

1893
01:35:57,760 --> 01:36:00,240
Speaker 3: And I just feel like it's just such a big

1894
01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:01,400
Speaker 3: loss and such a shame.

1895
01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:04,440
Speaker 1: I think that when I when I watched bath As too. Yeah,

1896
01:36:04,439 --> 01:36:04,920
Speaker 1: it's sad.

1897
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:08,479
Speaker 4: It is the day Ford announced publicly that they were

1898
01:36:08,479 --> 01:36:13,720
Speaker 4: stopping manufacturing. I'm looking after Peter's uncle Sandy because the

1899
01:36:13,720 --> 01:36:15,559
Speaker 4: heath farm was next door to ours, and we see

1900
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:18,240
Speaker 4: look out the back window and see this fire down

1901
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:21,120
Speaker 4: the paddic. It's that So we've popped in the car

1902
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:24,280
Speaker 4: and driven down the side road and there's a Ford

1903
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:28,760
Speaker 4: and late model Forward in the gate on fire. The gate,

1904
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:32,880
Speaker 4: the posters burnt down, the cars burnt brand New Ford,

1905
01:36:32,920 --> 01:36:38,040
Speaker 4: and they've chosen a Brock gateway to set fire to

1906
01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:43,120
Speaker 4: their Forward because they're no longer manufactured. I've got this.

1907
01:36:43,160 --> 01:36:45,000
Speaker 1: Photo of some weird protests.

1908
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:49,760
Speaker 4: Well why else would it happen? Yeah, exactly, exactly how

1909
01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:52,080
Speaker 4: odd it was the weirdest thing. But there you go.

1910
01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:54,040
Speaker 2: That is so interesting.

1911
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:56,240
Speaker 1: Before we wrap, do you have a Do you have

1912
01:36:56,280 --> 01:36:57,599
Speaker 1: a favorite car of Peter's?

1913
01:36:57,680 --> 01:36:58,479
Speaker 4: Do I have one?

1914
01:36:58,640 --> 01:37:01,080
Speaker 1: Yeah? Sorry? Do you in my mind?

1915
01:37:01,160 --> 01:37:01,320
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1916
01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:05,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, not in ownership. I wish Do you have it here?

1917
01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:06,559
Speaker 2: Can you sign it for us?

1918
01:37:06,840 --> 01:37:09,080
Speaker 1: If you could sign the boot, my mate's going to

1919
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:11,120
Speaker 1: come out of the bushy diamond freakn pick it up.

1920
01:37:12,520 --> 01:37:16,200
Speaker 1: But there are some amazing cars. Even there was a

1921
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:19,360
Speaker 1: beautiful Toodle Bannaro which he had when that Manara where

1922
01:37:19,439 --> 01:37:23,040
Speaker 1: Scott re released. You know, I had big Manara written

1923
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:24,080
Speaker 1: up on the side. I think it was a four

1924
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:27,639
Speaker 1: two seven, I can't tell, But there was some amazing here.

1925
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:31,200
Speaker 4: The Manaro that he got was a particular paint job.

1926
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:34,840
Speaker 4: It was beautiful that I loved that car, but he

1927
01:37:35,960 --> 01:37:39,400
Speaker 4: because he changed. He built so many cars. I'd get

1928
01:37:39,439 --> 01:37:43,360
Speaker 4: them for brief time. But at one stage there was

1929
01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:48,920
Speaker 4: a I had a beautiful Blue Statesman that I really

1930
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:52,040
Speaker 4: enjoyed driving, and a couple of years ago somebody had

1931
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:54,479
Speaker 4: rung up and knew that that was my car and

1932
01:37:54,520 --> 01:37:56,080
Speaker 4: they were going to pay this amount of money and

1933
01:37:56,080 --> 01:37:59,160
Speaker 4: that was going to cost them as much to ensure it. Seriously. Okay,

1934
01:37:59,200 --> 01:38:02,160
Speaker 4: but that's fine, what story go. There was that one,

1935
01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:04,840
Speaker 4: but a lot of his development cars he would actually

1936
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:08,599
Speaker 4: keep because for long well when I say keep, maybe

1937
01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:10,920
Speaker 4: it last a couple of months. But he would do

1938
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:13,080
Speaker 4: the development and he'd go into work and on the

1939
01:38:13,120 --> 01:38:15,000
Speaker 4: way and he'd be thinking all these things, Okay, guys,

1940
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:16,320
Speaker 4: what we did? You say, need to remove it? And

1941
01:38:16,360 --> 01:38:19,640
Speaker 4: now we're going to do this. This isn't guys, And

1942
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:22,080
Speaker 4: Homer had come and that would go on, and so

1943
01:38:22,240 --> 01:38:24,519
Speaker 4: of a nighttime come on with a test run. So

1944
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:27,720
Speaker 4: he'd do it in the dark, and because out near

1945
01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:30,200
Speaker 4: the farm, out in the hills, there was a big properties,

1946
01:38:30,240 --> 01:38:32,680
Speaker 4: no traffic, roads and that sort of stuff, and if

1947
01:38:32,680 --> 01:38:34,559
Speaker 4: you did it on night it was safer because you

1948
01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:36,800
Speaker 4: could see headlights, the glow from headlights so you could

1949
01:38:36,840 --> 01:38:41,400
Speaker 4: do a test run. So it was always that the

1950
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:44,400
Speaker 4: test runs make sure that it's all going right and

1951
01:38:44,439 --> 01:38:49,000
Speaker 4: so forth. So this constant changeover of cars was enormous.

1952
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:53,400
Speaker 4: But then when he was not with Holden and went

1953
01:38:53,479 --> 01:38:56,840
Speaker 4: with Volvo, I got new Volvo cars on the right,

1954
01:38:57,479 --> 01:39:00,200
Speaker 4: and then I had BMW and they'd change used to

1955
01:39:00,240 --> 01:39:02,800
Speaker 4: be in W. I'd get a new little BMW every

1956
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:06,880
Speaker 4: months and that was pretty good. So despite the fact

1957
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:09,880
Speaker 4: that I good cars were wasted on me and his idea,

1958
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:14,320
Speaker 4: I actually had a lot of cars a short period

1959
01:39:14,360 --> 01:39:17,519
Speaker 4: of time. And so that it surprises me when people

1960
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:19,960
Speaker 4: seem to think that because I sat my butt in

1961
01:39:19,960 --> 01:39:21,400
Speaker 4: a car and drove it for a couple of months

1962
01:39:21,439 --> 01:39:24,120
Speaker 4: that somehow it's worth more money. I'd understand if it

1963
01:39:24,160 --> 01:39:28,559
Speaker 4: was him. But anything, the Brock name is just what

1964
01:39:28,720 --> 01:39:34,200
Speaker 4: they It's just. And I deal with a guy in

1965
01:39:34,280 --> 01:39:38,280
Speaker 4: South Australia who's a policeman who got in touch with

1966
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:42,240
Speaker 4: me because the car he was buying and he wasn't

1967
01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:45,559
Speaker 4: one hundred percent sure about its sporacity. And when I

1968
01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:48,559
Speaker 4: looked into him, no, mate, this is not a genuine article.

1969
01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:52,120
Speaker 4: The build number has been stolen off a plate from

1970
01:39:52,160 --> 01:39:54,800
Speaker 4: a car that was crashed, so he's taken it upon

1971
01:39:54,840 --> 01:39:58,639
Speaker 4: himself to look after people find out more.

1972
01:39:58,640 --> 01:40:00,960
Speaker 3: That was awesome, right, I love that because people get

1973
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:05,120
Speaker 3: scammed so often with authenticity stuff, you know, and for

1974
01:40:05,160 --> 01:40:08,320
Speaker 3: someone who generally wants it as a collectible item, they're

1975
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:09,639
Speaker 3: willing to pay big money for it.

1976
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:13,160
Speaker 4: I'm not happy to see somebody lose money on good

1977
01:40:13,160 --> 01:40:16,320
Speaker 4: money when they decent people aren't so And I feel

1978
01:40:16,360 --> 01:40:19,000
Speaker 4: sorry sometimes for the people who want their car authenticated

1979
01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:23,080
Speaker 4: because they bought it believing it was and they now

1980
01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:25,000
Speaker 4: think they're going to get a million dollars for their car,

1981
01:40:25,080 --> 01:40:27,840
Speaker 4: and mate, it's like anything else, it's going to be

1982
01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:29,799
Speaker 4: worth eighty ninety thousand maybe dollars.

1983
01:40:29,880 --> 01:40:30,080
Speaker 2: Yep.

1984
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:37,240
Speaker 4: Well, there are crooks in every no matter what industry,

1985
01:40:37,560 --> 01:40:40,599
Speaker 4: there's always going to be somebody. And when Peter's cars,

1986
01:40:40,640 --> 01:40:44,400
Speaker 4: he's road cars all that are around sell for over

1987
01:40:44,439 --> 01:40:49,000
Speaker 4: a million dollars. He's race cars to over two million dollars.

1988
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:53,160
Speaker 4: You look and think when people think that we sort

1989
01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:54,479
Speaker 4: of own the gut, yeah right.

1990
01:40:54,439 --> 01:40:57,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, it's when it's a few steps down that

1991
01:40:57,200 --> 01:40:58,800
Speaker 3: people are transacting.

1992
01:41:00,120 --> 01:41:03,800
Speaker 1: Unbelievable. Well, thanks for stopping by. Just a quick chat.

1993
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Speaker 2: It's been really appreciated.

1994
01:41:07,080 --> 01:41:07,400
Speaker 4: Pleasant.

1995
01:41:07,680 --> 01:41:12,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess. I guess one thing I wanted to

1996
01:41:12,160 --> 01:41:16,120
Speaker 1: kind of bring to the table was that everyone looks

1997
01:41:16,160 --> 01:41:19,160
Speaker 1: at at Peter as you know, Peter perfect and all

1998
01:41:19,160 --> 01:41:22,120
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. But I think as we sort

1999
01:41:22,120 --> 01:41:24,880
Speaker 1: of briefly mentioned that you are, you're fifty percent of

2000
01:41:24,920 --> 01:41:25,679
Speaker 1: that You're the reason.

2001
01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:28,400
Speaker 4: I didn't have any ability at any ability. I was

2002
01:41:28,439 --> 01:41:31,800
Speaker 4: just home based. Yeah, you could, if you could create

2003
01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:33,120
Speaker 4: a calm at home, you were doing well.

2004
01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:33,639
Speaker 2: It was good.

2005
01:41:33,920 --> 01:41:34,080
Speaker 3: Well.

2006
01:41:34,920 --> 01:41:37,960
Speaker 1: It was always such a warm, lovely family unit. And

2007
01:41:39,160 --> 01:41:40,680
Speaker 1: I just hope you realize that, you know.

2008
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:43,400
Speaker 4: I do. I look at if I look back at

2009
01:41:43,439 --> 01:41:46,920
Speaker 4: it now, it was an amazing period of time in history.

2010
01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:48,920
Speaker 4: It was an amazing period of time to have lived.

2011
01:41:49,320 --> 01:41:52,360
Speaker 4: I was very fortunate, and you know, you're not going

2012
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:55,000
Speaker 4: to have that sort of stuff come around very often

2013
01:41:55,040 --> 01:41:58,960
Speaker 4: in the world. So I know how fortunate I was.

2014
01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:01,280
Speaker 4: And you know, the thing is that Peter and I

2015
01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:05,000
Speaker 4: were a really good team until in the end where

2016
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:07,519
Speaker 4: he started doubting himself about everything. And that to me,

2017
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:12,200
Speaker 4: when I see young people doubt their own abilities, and

2018
01:42:12,240 --> 01:42:16,280
Speaker 4: I know, you know, what has the potential to happen

2019
01:42:16,439 --> 01:42:20,599
Speaker 4: is not for a minute that Peter did that deliberately

2020
01:42:20,720 --> 01:42:23,680
Speaker 4: or in any way, shape or form. But a lot

2021
01:42:23,680 --> 01:42:26,559
Speaker 4: of people who when they get down and depressed like that,

2022
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:28,760
Speaker 4: and we find it with our footballer, you know, our

2023
01:42:29,240 --> 01:42:32,040
Speaker 4: ex coaches and captains and that sort of stuff, that

2024
01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:36,960
Speaker 4: mental attitude. And as Peter said, you know, it's not

2025
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:41,400
Speaker 4: about the engineering of the car, it's not about your skill,

2026
01:42:42,680 --> 01:42:44,600
Speaker 4: it's about your where your brain is that when you

2027
01:42:44,600 --> 01:42:46,639
Speaker 4: get behind the wheel of the car. So the instant

2028
01:42:46,640 --> 01:42:49,040
Speaker 4: you sit in that car, know that you're driving a lethal,

2029
01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:52,360
Speaker 4: potential lethal weapon. Get your head in the right place

2030
01:42:53,040 --> 01:42:55,640
Speaker 4: and that counts for far more than anything else. And

2031
01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:57,960
Speaker 4: he's right, he was right, And it's you know, to me,

2032
01:42:58,120 --> 01:43:00,320
Speaker 4: that's the sad thing that a lot of that's got

2033
01:43:00,640 --> 01:43:03,040
Speaker 4: in history, but that's life. Can't change it.