Speaker 1: Good a. Peter Helly here, welcome to you Ain't seen
Speaker 1: Nothing Yet the movie podcast, where I chat to a
Speaker 1: movie lover about a classic or beloved movie they haven't
Speaker 1: quite got around to watching until now. And today's guest
Speaker 1: actor writer funny bloke Mark Humphrey's.
Speaker 2: This would sharpen you up and make you ready for
Speaker 2: a bit of the old ultra violence.
Speaker 3: How about now, You're crazy Dutch bastard?
Speaker 1: You ever dance with the devil in the val lights?
Speaker 4: Haven't a right?
Speaker 5: You ain't seen nothing new.
Speaker 1: When it comes to us attire In Australia, actor and
Speaker 1: writer Mark Humphreys has become the gold standard with his
Speaker 1: finger squarely on the pulse and prostate land of politics
Speaker 1: and society for the past decade. Mark and be seen
Speaker 1: performing hilarious on point skeedues on the ABC's seven point
Speaker 1: thirty and The Feed on SBS and for the best
Speaker 1: value follow find him on Twitter at Mark Humphreys. It'll
Speaker 1: be a follow well spent. Mark is hilarious, sharp as
Speaker 1: attack and he's here right now.
Speaker 4: Hello. I'm celebrity Mastermind winner Mark Humphreys and my three
Speaker 4: favorite films are hook less.
Speaker 6: Than One, Why pans eat their chose Bowfinger, Oh Carland.
Speaker 3: Slide and bad damn and take a chance and tell
Speaker 3: the spitch said hello.
Speaker 4: And Adam's family values, Oh your and up until recently,
Speaker 4: I'd never seen Greece.
Speaker 1: Barry Gibbon vocals and Peter Franpton on guitar. Greece is
Speaker 1: the word. It's the word that you heard, and it's
Speaker 1: the movie you've seen time and time again since it
Speaker 1: hits cinemas in nineteen seventy eight, three years after a
Speaker 1: certain shark terrorized Amity Beach and one year after a
Speaker 1: farm boy helped blow up something called a Death's the
Speaker 1: Greece would for a long time hold the third highest
Speaker 1: grossing film after Jaws and Star Wars. A summer romance
Speaker 1: between John Travolda's American Greece and Danny and Olivia Newton.
Speaker 1: John sweet Sydney side of Sandy gets put to the
Speaker 1: test when Sandy, unbeknownst to both her and Danny in
Speaker 1: roles in Rydale High School. Can the Summer of Love
Speaker 1: continue on in the world of clicks, cars and cool
Speaker 1: Please welcome Mark Humphreys, who undoubtedly would have been a
Speaker 1: t bird back in the day. Mark, did you get
Speaker 1: chills and did they multiply.
Speaker 4: They did Pete, which was remarkable because you know those
Speaker 4: films that are just iconic and you just you know,
Speaker 4: the bar is so high. As part of the reason
Speaker 4: you actually kind of end up not watching these things
Speaker 4: is the feeling will be disappointed. But I'm going to say,
Speaker 4: I think I can finally see why people really like Greece.
Speaker 4: It is charming, and it is really funny, and Travolta
Speaker 4: is excellent. He is so charming with and funny in
Speaker 4: his delivery. And no, I was really enjoyable. But I yeah,
Speaker 4: I felt I can't believe I went thirty five years
Speaker 4: without seeing it.
Speaker 1: Reasons well, when we spoke about it, you and to
Speaker 1: make this clear, you are not like you've been shunning musicals.
Speaker 1: You you do love musicals exactly.
Speaker 4: I have a whole separate Twitter account at Marx Musicals.
Speaker 4: It's so weird that I haven't seen Greece, but I'm
Speaker 4: mainly a kind of a stage musicals guy. Musicals are
Speaker 4: a bit patchy. Weirdly, I actually did a few years ago.
Speaker 4: I wrote a piece for The Guardian sort of arguing
Speaker 4: for more movie musicals. I now actually think I was wrong.
Speaker 4: I think most movie musicals, especially ones that are adapted
Speaker 4: from the stage, as Greece was, I think most adaptations
Speaker 4: are actually pretty pretty poor. It's generally speaking, it's the
Speaker 4: ones that are concepts for the movies that work a
Speaker 4: lot better. So. But Greece, I think is an exception
Speaker 4: of one where I think some people would even argue
Speaker 4: the film is better than the stage version. But you know,
Speaker 4: I absolutely do adore musicals, but Greece, it's so it's
Speaker 4: so silly that the reason I haven't hadn't seen Greece.
Speaker 4: It's the tiniest thing. I feel it's an idiot, but
Speaker 4: it basically comes down to two notes. I never saw
Speaker 4: Greence because of this noise. Yeah, that's why I never
Speaker 4: saw Greece. Because you would be on a school bus,
Speaker 4: like on a coach trip to Camber or what have you,
Speaker 4: and all the girls are being in the back row
Speaker 4: and you would just here.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I got that film sounds terrible.
Speaker 4: Why would I watch that? So that's what's put me
Speaker 4: off the entire time.
Speaker 1: Well, we are going to deep dive a little bit
Speaker 1: further into Rydeale High School and the tea birds and
Speaker 1: the pink ladies. I look forward to doing it. But
Speaker 1: I want to talk about your your three favorite films,
Speaker 1: which are these are three films? There has been often
Speaker 1: when everybody names their three favorites, a bit of overlap.
Speaker 1: We've heard The Princess Bride many times come up, Whiplashes
Speaker 1: come up a bit recently, we've had Moneyball. These three
Speaker 1: films haven't appeared. Is no judgment, there's no judgment mark.
Speaker 4: And yeah, and yet I heard judgment. Curious Yeah, yeah, whatever.
Speaker 1: Where do we sack? And let's start with Hook? So
Speaker 1: this is the this is this is the Robin Williams Hook.
Speaker 4: That's right, Yeah, that's right exactly, so nineteen ninety one, Stevens.
Speaker 4: I mean the credits alone, you shouldn't even need to
Speaker 4: see Hook to go. This must be a great film.
Speaker 4: Directed by Steven Spielberg, starring Robin Williams, Dustin Hoffman, Julia Roberts,
Speaker 4: Maggie Smith, Bob Hoskins, Ridoth Pultrow. I think has three words.
Speaker 4: Glenn Close plays a man for one in one cameo.
Speaker 4: Phil Collins appears in a cameo. The music is composed
Speaker 4: by John Williams. I mean, this is just and it's
Speaker 4: I've always just I saw it as a kid, and
Speaker 4: I think it's one of those things because Princess Bride
Speaker 4: is that interesting thing where I'm not a Princess Bride fan,
Speaker 4: and that's because I didn't, I think Jill, I didn't
Speaker 4: see it as a kid. I saw it as an
Speaker 4: adults after it had already kind of had cult status
Speaker 4: and everything, and I sort of went, yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: I can see it's charming. But I felt like, if
Speaker 4: you didn't see it as a kid, it didn't really
Speaker 4: kind of work.
Speaker 1: Listeners to this podcast will know that that's exactly the
Speaker 1: experience I've had. I accept that I can see that
Speaker 1: it's good, and I can understand if I saw it,
Speaker 1: you know, as a thirteen year old, it would sean
Speaker 1: more to me. But you know, and I would love
Speaker 1: to see it again with my twelve year old maybe
Speaker 1: if there was a cinema who was playing a nostalgic
Speaker 1: kind of retro screening of it, I would go along
Speaker 1: and maybe I could see it through his eyes. That's
Speaker 1: my only home to have that genuine affection for it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And the other thing is like I'm as a
Speaker 4: musical theater I'm a huge Mandy Patinkin fan. And I've
Speaker 4: seen him on stage. I think four times I waited backstage.
Speaker 4: You get a photo with him if you go to
Speaker 4: Mark's Musicals. You've seen my profile photo is me with
Speaker 4: Mandy Patinkin. But you know, and he'll do all these
Speaker 4: musical theater songs in his show, and then he'll usually
Speaker 4: end the show by saying, my name is in ingram
Speaker 4: Mon Toya because my fad And I'm always like, I
Speaker 4: dropped that.
Speaker 1: Do something from Homeland, do something.
Speaker 4: In the first season of Criminal Minds before you left
Speaker 4: for some reason. So yeah, I just kind of never
Speaker 4: really got on board with that. But so I think
Speaker 4: Hook is one as well that if you didn't see
Speaker 4: it as a kid, I don't think it probably doesn't
Speaker 4: work because.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I did see it as a kid,
Speaker 1: because I mean, out of the out of all of
Speaker 1: Steven Spielberg's films, if I was the right, I mean,
Speaker 1: from what meant the most, may Hook probably doesn't make
Speaker 1: the top ten.
Speaker 4: But it's only because he's so I mean, that's only
Speaker 4: a reflection of his brilliance.
Speaker 1: That's not really not at all. But I will revisit Hook.
Speaker 1: I'll revisit it with my twelve year old and see
Speaker 1: if I can find that feeling for it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what I'd say in my campaign pro hook is
Speaker 4: just that what it does. And it's a reason that
Speaker 4: I think also the musical Wicked is so successful is
Speaker 4: it takes a story that we all know. It takes,
Speaker 4: you know, the boy who never grew up and asks, well,
Speaker 4: what what would happen if the boy never grew up
Speaker 4: grew up? And I think Wicked does a similar thing
Speaker 4: where it takes the story of the Wizard of Oz
Speaker 4: and basically makes you question, well, why is she wicked?
Speaker 4: You know? And what what what were the events that
Speaker 4: led to that? How does someone become wicked? And are
Speaker 4: they truly wicked? What is you know? What is it
Speaker 4: to be to be that you know? To be wicked? Anyway?
Speaker 4: So that's a separate conversation, but that's what I like
Speaker 4: about or it takes a story you already know and
Speaker 4: then looks at it sort of through a new.
Speaker 1: Lens because I'm not as familiar with it. In terms
Speaker 1: of Robin Williams performances. How how great like is he
Speaker 1: great in it?
Speaker 4: It's yeah, I think he is, And it's it's in
Speaker 4: this of sweet Spot where he's still funny. Sometimes it's
Speaker 4: almost a couple of moments where it's like he's kind
Speaker 4: of just being Robin Williams. In this scene, it's a
Speaker 4: very Robin Williams line where it's like there's a they're
Speaker 4: having this never feast where which is basically it's this
Speaker 4: huge feast, all the lost boys even together, but there's
Speaker 4: no there's no actual food. It's a it's a sort
Speaker 4: of an imaginary meal, and and they're all enjoying it.
Speaker 4: Because Peter is an adult now and it's forgotten. He's
Speaker 4: sort of basically lost his ability to kind of imagine.
Speaker 4: He can't see any food. And he's got a line
Speaker 4: where he says, where I think tinker Bell says to
Speaker 4: him eat, he says, eat what gundhy ate more than this?
Speaker 4: And you know, it's a very Robin Williams.
Speaker 1: When he goes off a monologue talking about Viagrays, I reckon,
Speaker 1: that's Robin Williams.
Speaker 4: Any kind of mother toresa reference or what have you.
Speaker 4: But yeah, but he but then, but then there's great
Speaker 4: tender moments in the film because it's it's sort of
Speaker 4: about fatherhood as well, and because his two children are
Speaker 4: kidnapped by hook that's why he has to go back
Speaker 4: to Netherland to retrieve his own children. And uh and yeah,
Speaker 4: so you know his performance, and it's right in that
Speaker 4: sweet spot of missus doubtfire a Ladd and it's that,
Speaker 4: it's that, you know, it's that golden period of Robin Williams.
Speaker 4: So that really works. And then Dustin Hoffman is so
Speaker 4: brilliant as Captain Hawk and kind of injects some pathos
Speaker 4: into him and great humor, and his rapport with Bob
Speaker 4: Hoskins is really he's really funny and yeah, and I
Speaker 4: just agnore it. And Maggie Smith plays so wendy, but
Speaker 4: now as an old lady, and you kind of realize
Speaker 4: that Maggie Smith has been old my entire Lifebury, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And and Denzel Washington so not Denzel. So Morgan
Speaker 1: Freeman is like that, I can't I can't picture a
Speaker 1: young Morgan Freeman at all. Both Finger, Eddie Murphy, Steve Martin.
Speaker 1: This is a very funny film.
Speaker 4: So you've seen you've seen, yes, yeah, right, so yeah,
Speaker 4: written by Steve Martin, starring Eddie Murphy in arguabally his
Speaker 4: last great comedic role fingers crossed for the sequel to
Speaker 4: come into America. That's optimistic about that, but it is.
Speaker 4: It's a film where he plays two roles, but it
Speaker 4: sort of feels a little bit like, you know, not
Speaker 4: the Professor to the clumps or something, but it's not.
Speaker 4: It's not just part him. But Steve Martin wrote a
Speaker 4: really funny script about a character who Bobby Bofinger, who
Speaker 4: he is a filmmaker and he wants to get his
Speaker 4: film up and he tries to get the biggest action
Speaker 4: star in the world, played by Eddie Murphy, to be
Speaker 4: in it, but he doesn't want to do it, and
Speaker 4: so he decides he's just going to film around him.
Speaker 4: He's just going to basically have his actors come up
Speaker 4: to Eddie Murphy say their lines, and then whatever Eddie
Speaker 4: Murphy says, they're going to go with it and just
Speaker 4: sort of build a film around that. There's a great
Speaker 4: line in the film where he says, did you know
Speaker 4: that Tom Cruise didn't know he was in that vampire
Speaker 4: movie till two years later? And it's never not relevant
Speaker 4: that line, I think, even especially you know, recently with
Speaker 4: his outburst. But and yeah, so Christine Baranski is in it,
Speaker 4: and she's also in Adam's Family Values and Christine Baranski.
Speaker 4: Everyone should know by now she is the star of
Speaker 4: the Good Fight. But she was also a great musical
Speaker 4: theater actress, and she was She was also in both Finger,
Speaker 4: and she plays a very theatrical character in that, and
Speaker 4: had the Grahams in it. And it's directed by Frank
Speaker 4: oz Aka Yoda.
Speaker 1: You know, of course, the scene, the scene of Eddie
Speaker 1: Murphy crushing the busy running across a highway, Like I
Speaker 1: remember amazing, laughing so hard at that, Like if every
Speaker 1: comedy gay, Like I laughed a lot during that Man,
Speaker 1: and I really like Both Finger. It's on a movie
Speaker 1: that I've revisited the whole I've probably seen it three times.
Speaker 1: But I if every movie gave me a laugh that hard,
Speaker 1: I'd be very happy with that. Like with comedy seems
Speaker 1: to be judged. Comedy films seems to be judged, you know,
Speaker 1: on a different kind of scale to drama and and
Speaker 1: other genres. What when you walk out of a comedy,
Speaker 1: what do you you know? What are you satisfied with?
Speaker 4: Well? I mean, I think the best experiences I've had
Speaker 4: in cinemas were at comedies. It was Both Finger, it
Speaker 4: was a Mighty Wind, it was Best in Show, and
Speaker 4: it was Alan Partridge Alf the Papa. All of those
Speaker 4: experiences were just to be in an audience of people
Speaker 4: and to laugh with other people. Yeah, that's that, That's
Speaker 4: what's special about that. I think I don't have a feeling.
Speaker 4: You know, I went and saw you know, I've seen
Speaker 4: a bunch of you know, dramatic films over the years
Speaker 4: on the big screen, but I don't, I didn't. There
Speaker 4: wasn't anything I particularly felt about. Oh, I'm really glad
Speaker 4: that I saw you know, The Godfather with other people.
Speaker 4: You know, it didn't that didn't really do anything for me.
Speaker 4: But seeing those comedies and hearing a room for people
Speaker 4: laughing at I mean, in case of reminded when you
Speaker 4: know Fred Willard's unbelievable run of Hey, what happened that whole?
Speaker 4: You know that the most perfect one and a half
Speaker 4: minutes ever recorded on film.
Speaker 1: We had to on the project recently just well behind
Speaker 1: the scenes, we're doing a bit of like doing a
Speaker 1: bit of our what happened and and we had to
Speaker 1: remind us of where it came from. Everyone's like, where's that? Where?
Speaker 1: Where did that start because it became its.
Speaker 4: Own bigger than the film. Yeah yeah, yeah, he's like
Speaker 4: he and he steals the show in This is Final
Speaker 4: Tap as well. He's got a very small role in that.
Speaker 4: He's like in the military. And he works at some
Speaker 4: venue that the band are going to perform at, and
Speaker 4: he and so he's speaking to the band and he says,
Speaker 4: may I start by saying, how swilled we are to
Speaker 4: have you here. We are such fans of your music
Speaker 4: and all of your records. I'm not speaking of yours personally,
Speaker 4: but the whole genre.
Speaker 3: Let me explain a bit about what's going on. This
Speaker 3: is our monthly at ease weekend gives us a chance
Speaker 3: of're gonna let down our hair. Although I see you
Speaker 3: all have a head start. These haircuts wouldn't past military
Speaker 3: must have, believe me. Although I shouldn't talk. My hair
Speaker 3: is getting a little shaggy too. Better not get too
Speaker 3: close to you. They'll think I'm part of the band. I'm Joey.
Speaker 4: Of course.
Speaker 3: Shall we go in and I'll show you around?
Speaker 1: God Red Willand is a great example of this, like
Speaker 1: seeing the thinking, the cogs turning behind his eyes. He's
Speaker 1: so good at I love watching him him think his
Speaker 1: way through her performance. And that not not to say
Speaker 1: that you can see him acting at all, but just
Speaker 1: the character, you know, like him striking the chair in
Speaker 1: Waiting for Wait. We know all the terms, we know.
Speaker 4: The musical number that he does with k and O'Hara
Speaker 4: there Midnight at the Oasis. I mean, it's like waiting
Speaker 4: for guffin is I mean if we if I could
Speaker 4: have given a few more films, I probably would have
Speaker 4: I would have thrown Waiting for goin on there. What's
Speaker 4: quite nice about that scene is I saw an interview
Speaker 4: with him where someone asked him, like, what was the
Speaker 4: inspiration for basically that little mini musical that he and
Speaker 4: Katherine Ohara are put on where it's like his knocks
Speaker 4: at the door and she she's like, He's like, may
Speaker 4: I come in? It's like and and then they go
Speaker 4: into this song. He said the origin of it was
Speaker 4: that there was there's a series of ads called It's
Speaker 4: for a coffee brand called something Choice. I'll have to
Speaker 4: find it starred Anthony Head who was in Buffy and
Speaker 4: he was the British Prime Minister on Little Britain and
Speaker 4: Taste his Choice. That's right. So if you look up
Speaker 4: a brand of coffee called Taste's Choice and Anthony Head,
Speaker 4: you'll see a series of camp of advertisements which is
Speaker 4: so pretentious where it's sort of, you know, it's his
Speaker 4: neighbors just sort of knocking on the door and coffee
Speaker 4: and all this sort of there's this weird sort of
Speaker 4: dynamic between the man and woman, this sort of simmering
Speaker 4: chemistry accompanied with you know, beautiful product shots of the
Speaker 4: tin of you know, ground coffee. And Fred Willard sort
Speaker 4: of said, I felt that my character in Wayne the
Speaker 4: Goufman thinks that that's the height of acting and once
Speaker 4: you know that instead of really enriches that that performance is.
Speaker 1: A love Fred will sadly lost in twenty it was
Speaker 1: twenty twenty? Was it twenty twenty? Is it?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean everything this year might as well. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think it was this year.
Speaker 1: Adam's Family Values. I have not seen this one, So
Speaker 1: is this the sequel? Was it original Adam's Family and
Speaker 1: then they follow up with Adams Family Values?
Speaker 4: Okay, this is the second one, and it's funnier than
Speaker 4: the first, and it's it's just a perfect sweet spot
Speaker 4: where it totally worked for me as a seven year
Speaker 4: old or whatever old I was, and then you watch
Speaker 4: it and as an adult and you go, gosh, there's
Speaker 4: a lot of subversive stuff going on in this film.
Speaker 4: So this is and it was. So it was written
Speaker 4: by Paul Rudneck, who is a brilliant sort of satirical
Speaker 4: American writer. He actually wrote the original and only wrote
Speaker 4: the original script for Sister Act, which then kind of
Speaker 4: got mangled away. He wrote the the cul Kiman remake
Speaker 4: of The Stepford Wives, which I think is actually really
Speaker 4: underrated in terms of some of the comedy in there.
Speaker 4: But there are just so many quotable lines in Adam's
Speaker 4: family values, many of them delivered by Joan Cuzak, who
Speaker 4: is Peter. I can't believe you haven't seen it. You're
Speaker 4: just gonna love it. It's it's and it's not something you
Speaker 4: needed to see as a kid. You'll totally be able
Speaker 4: to get it as an adult. But it's just really
Speaker 4: dark humor and Ralgy Auliers going as Angelic Houston as
Speaker 4: Maultitia perfect but Christine Baranski and Peter McNichol. Peter mcnicholl,
Speaker 4: people would know from being the ultimate disaster movie, Sophie's Choice,
Speaker 4: which I saw recently and that was a mistake. No
Speaker 4: one is going to come on this podcast to say
Speaker 4: my three favorites.
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny because a lot of actresses that I
Speaker 1: know like and I meant I think I mentioned this
Speaker 1: recently on the podcast, like if you're going to nominate
Speaker 1: a role that I would love to perform in, like
Speaker 1: it's always like, not always, but often I've heard Meryl
Speaker 1: strepin Service Choice that that's that's the role I would
Speaker 1: love to play.
Speaker 4: Without question. Ship's performance in Sophi's Choice, I think is
Speaker 4: the greatest acting performance interesting, I have I absolutely endorsed
Speaker 4: that it's a horribly depressing It is so unnecessarily depressing. Yeah,
Speaker 4: the choice that she has to make is like that
Speaker 4: choice is such an it's such a I think it's
Speaker 4: such a small part of what that film is really about,
Speaker 4: and it actually to me feels almost pornographic that scene
Speaker 4: that it's it's just so horrendously awful. But yes, her
Speaker 4: performance is brilliant, So I'm taking it down to the
Speaker 4: dark dark path there. But anyway, so ran Scapeede mcnickel
Speaker 4: play Camp Counselors at Camp chip awhile and it's it's
Speaker 4: just really up big kind of thing. Everyone you know,
Speaker 4: get involved. And Christina Ricci is playing Wednesday Adams and
Speaker 4: her you know, sort of Stephen Wright monitor, you know,
Speaker 4: kind of deadpan delivery. Contrasted with that, you know, upbeat
Speaker 4: chip or energy is is just perfect. It's an American
Speaker 4: bald eagle. But aren't the extinct they are now so
Speaker 4: five stars we were.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited because there is sincerely no judgment when
Speaker 1: people listen their three favorite films. Some people feel the
Speaker 1: pressure of naming three films. Some people, you know, I
Speaker 1: get the impression. Some some people on my guess are
Speaker 1: being you know, like, oh, put Citizen Kane in there
Speaker 1: and better case Blanca.
Speaker 4: But how many Agnes Rada films can I list?
Speaker 1: But you have named three, you know, commercial, largely comedic films,
Speaker 1: and and I'm thankful for that. And I would definitely
Speaker 1: be checking out Adam's Family Values and Hook and I
Speaker 1: might give both finger another watch as well. But let's
Speaker 1: take a quick break and we'll be back to hear
Speaker 1: more about what you thought about Greece. So, Mark Humphrey
Speaker 1: is Greece, nineteen seventy eight. We've discussed why it took
Speaker 1: you so long, Just give us those two notes again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm going to say so my relationship with Greece.
Speaker 1: I think Star Wars is the film I've seen most
Speaker 1: out of any other film, I think Greece would be
Speaker 1: the second. As far as yes, like this has a
Speaker 1: real this like all good movies do, particularly the ones
Speaker 1: that you watch young, that it just takes me back
Speaker 1: and I have instant buy in. I spoke recently with
Speaker 1: Sam Mack about that we did the movie Mean Girls,
Speaker 1: and I spoke about my kind of like love and
Speaker 1: fantasy of like attending an American high school. You know,
Speaker 1: I wanted to be an exchange student, and I think
Speaker 1: it comes from Greece. If I was to trace it back,
Speaker 1: I think seeing Greece, I thought, yeah, I want to
Speaker 1: go to an American high school. And even though there's
Speaker 1: a lot not to like about, you know what is
Speaker 1: happening at Rydale High and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been in the tea birds, but.
Speaker 4: I never, I mean I never had. I mean, we
Speaker 4: had lockers at school, but that was never. Like there's
Speaker 4: all those things about American schools that are so yeah
Speaker 4: foreign to us, and yeah, exactly that's it. Yeah, just
Speaker 4: sort of standing by your giant locker. I mean I
Speaker 4: never had enough stuff to what's in there, and like
Speaker 4: picking up photos and things like a little house in
Speaker 4: their own how that worked? And then I know I
Speaker 4: heard you speak to Sam mag about that, and just
Speaker 4: like you know, all the other things that I associated
Speaker 4: with those sorts of films, drinking out of red cups
Speaker 4: which now seem to have infiltrated Australia. I see that
Speaker 4: I've noticed red cups around. That seems to be I
Speaker 4: think we've finally kind of embraced that as well, and
Speaker 4: just phrases and homecoming Queen and the prime is sophomore
Speaker 4: and Ivy League school and all that, all that sort
Speaker 4: of stuff. But yeah, no, there is something appealing I
Speaker 4: can I can totally see that that appeal.
Speaker 1: Did you buy the Ages of the Tea Boy? This
Speaker 1: is really what this.
Speaker 4: Whole conversation is going to be about. I thought of
Speaker 4: a lot about this because I've actually watched it twice now,
Speaker 4: I watched it two times in sort of quick succession
Speaker 4: since we spoke about doing it, and the first time
Speaker 4: it played as this is a really weird, really weird
Speaker 4: dozz thing, because yeah, everyone like and I've gone and
Speaker 4: looked up the ages of these actors, with the exception
Speaker 4: of Travolta, and I'm not sure how old then, but I.
Speaker 1: Think Oliving Joe, I've got the ages here, so Olivia
Speaker 1: Josh Sandy was twenty nine. These are the pink Ladies.
Speaker 1: The youngest of the pink Ladies was Marty. Marty he
Speaker 1: was nineteen. French he was twenty five. Jan was thirty,
Speaker 1: and Rizzo brings it home at the ripe old age
Speaker 1: of thirty three. So which I think. I think the
Speaker 1: pig ladies collectively are older than the tea bird, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, like which is kind of a strange, slightly strange.
Speaker 1: Usually it's a younger women and an older man, but
Speaker 1: the tea birds. Travolo was twenty three when he made
Speaker 1: this KNICKI was twenty six, Putsy was nineteen. Duty was
Speaker 1: twenty seven. Sonny was the oldest at thirty one.
Speaker 4: But the is Putsy was he only? Okay? Was he
Speaker 4: all right? Because I thought that one of the blokes,
Speaker 4: one of the guys, he is sort of nuggety.
Speaker 8: And yeah, so that's sunny, yeah, Sonny. Sorry, So how
Speaker 8: old how old was he? You're thirty one, thirty one. Yeah,
Speaker 8: that's right, there we go, Thank you.
Speaker 1: Confirmed.
Speaker 4: You can tell that's right. It's weird. There's a scene
Speaker 4: where he dropped his kids off at the school before
Speaker 4: he been start this scene. But anyway, yeah, that was
Speaker 4: so it's extremely jarring and and that was all I
Speaker 4: could really sort of focus on the first time. Second
Speaker 4: time I watched it, I started to think, oh, is
Speaker 4: this actually a really conscious choice? Is this actually like,
Speaker 4: is it like actually a parody of high school? Sort of?
Speaker 4: It is this sort of a deliberate choice to say,
Speaker 4: this is what we as thirty somethings think of you,
Speaker 4: this is what you look like to us. And in
Speaker 4: the way it sort of felt like the reverse of
Speaker 4: like in a school production where you know, you've got
Speaker 4: you know, fourteen year old playing in a old man
Speaker 4: or what have you. Like, That's what it felt like.
Speaker 4: It was just a sort of flip of that. So
Speaker 4: I always almost want it's had the field the second time,
Speaker 4: like a parody of high score, and that the choice
Speaker 4: of people in their mid thirties or whatever was was
Speaker 4: actually just to kind of enhance that joke.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure they're working on that level to.
Speaker 4: Be yeah, very being very generous.
Speaker 1: But they yeah, I mean there was a tradition of
Speaker 1: casting and a lot of us got to do with
Speaker 1: I think even like child labor, casting a seventeen year
Speaker 1: old potentially, I think even back then was more complicated
Speaker 1: than casting a twenty one year old. But they could have.
Speaker 1: I mean thirty three reason I'm sunny in the two
Speaker 1: that really that do push the barriers. I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean Olivin Newton John looks you know, youthful, and yeah,
Speaker 1: you kind of buy that. I mean it's funny because
Speaker 1: watching it when I did, you know, they just looked
Speaker 1: older and I thought that's what that's what the year
Speaker 1: twelve kids must look like.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I guess when you're watching it, and certainly
Speaker 1: over the years, I've kind of gone, wow, that seems
Speaker 1: you know, how old is Rizzo?
Speaker 4: That's it. But on the plus side, and not to
Speaker 4: say that younger performers couldn't have pulled this off, but
Speaker 4: like Stockard Channey as a as a bit of an
Speaker 4: older actress there actually gives the very nuanced performance and
Speaker 4: adds a real kind of gravitas to her sort of
Speaker 4: arc and the sort of depths that her character starts
Speaker 4: to go down, so it's it's we Ultimately, I don't
Speaker 4: really fault it. I think they kind of they kind
Speaker 4: of work in their in their own way. That yeah,
Speaker 4: if you as long as you sort of put the
Speaker 4: logic out of it. I just think she brings a
Speaker 4: lot of depth to that character that I think maybe
Speaker 4: younger performers might have struggled with.
Speaker 1: But I think I think that Rizzo is the most
Speaker 1: nuanced character. And I must say it took me, you know,
Speaker 1: many growing up a bit and watching it over, you know,
Speaker 1: over and over again to appreciate what was going on.
Speaker 1: I think as you know, as a as an eight
Speaker 1: year old, as a ten year old, of twelve or
Speaker 1: fourteen year old, you know Rizzo like you know. Her
Speaker 1: song there were Worse Things I Can Do was one
Speaker 1: of the ones I used to fast forward. You watch
Speaker 1: it now and as an hour you realize how ahead
Speaker 1: of its time it is.
Speaker 4: That's exactly right. Yeah, And I was expecting to fast
Speaker 4: forward a lot of songs.
Speaker 1: The one I used to always. The other one was
Speaker 1: teen Angel, which I always got fast forward at our
Speaker 1: players that was unnecessary, and I still watching it again,
Speaker 1: and I watched it with my wife last nights. It's like,
Speaker 1: how did this make the final cut?
Speaker 4: I watched it yesterday and I've already forgotten teen agel.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's frank Frankie Avalon, who was it was offered
Speaker 1: to Elvis Press. School Dropout. Yeah, yeah, yes, yes, I've
Speaker 1: got teenage Baudy. School drop Out is the name of
Speaker 1: the song. Did you have a favorite outside of Danny
Speaker 1: and Sandy or you can include them, but did you
Speaker 1: have a favorite Ta Bird or Pink Lady? I know,
Speaker 1: growing up for me, it was like, I love KANICKI.
Speaker 4: Cure up Hickey from It's like a whole mock clock
Speaker 4: to send the very best. You're a pig.
Speaker 1: I liked him more than I did Danny and was
Speaker 1: genuinely sad. And when Jeff Conway passed away in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty eleven.
Speaker 4: Yeah right, well, I mean Kanicky, you've got to give
Speaker 4: it to him, just for the performance of seemingly getting
Speaker 4: a very mild concussion from the door of the car,
Speaker 4: that was a bit of a Yeah, that's a bigger
Speaker 4: stretch for me than the age gap. Yeah.
Speaker 1: There was no concussion test back then, so he was
Speaker 1: just playing on the safe side.
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I'm going to say I was really sympathetic
Speaker 4: to Frensy. I thought, I think I really felt for her.
Speaker 4: I thought that was you know, I think it's someone
Speaker 4: not that I ever thought about going to duty school,
Speaker 4: but just like I was someone that can coming towards
Speaker 4: the end high school, I didn't know what I wanted
Speaker 4: to do. And I think that's a very relatable sort
Speaker 4: of thing of you know, is this do I continue
Speaker 4: with this or do I go and do something else?
Speaker 4: And so I kind of, yeah, I found her sort
Speaker 4: of appealing, and you know, she's already got career ambition,
Speaker 4: she's already looked into the future. So she's also.
Speaker 1: She's also the most solid friend in that in that
Speaker 1: group if you if you if you needed to lean
Speaker 1: on somebody in the Pink Ladies, Frenchise, French Asy girl.
Speaker 4: Yeah. But I want to say my favorite characters were
Speaker 4: all the staff. They were all the older ones, because
Speaker 4: I like that they brought in, you know, comedy icons
Speaker 4: like since Alice Ghostly, I didn't didn't get I don't
Speaker 4: think they gave her enough to do in the film,
Speaker 4: but Alice Ghostly for people who don't remember, so in
Speaker 4: the film, she is I think she runs the mechanics.
Speaker 4: Uh what is that? What her job is, I'm not
Speaker 4: quite clear, but she's she's in she's in the workshop.
Speaker 1: Mss Murder. I think she plays yes and she.
Speaker 4: People might remember her from Bewitched. She was one of
Speaker 4: the two actors actresses who played Clara and she she
Speaker 4: and Paul Lynz also from the which were great friends
Speaker 4: and had similar style of delivery, which was that kind
Speaker 4: of they had that side of way speaking and that
Speaker 4: was there. That was their sort of that was the
Speaker 4: sort of thing. And so she was so she was
Speaker 4: she was es Molda, That's right, she was. She was
Speaker 4: Molder in the Witch. So she was nice seeing her
Speaker 4: pop up. I love the scene with since Caesar where
Speaker 4: there's like it was like revving up the crowd and
Speaker 4: there's like like it's almost like a god I had
Speaker 4: the best describe, but where they've got like a burning
Speaker 4: pyre and like it's it's so needlessly hostile. Yeah, So
Speaker 4: that's where I kind of that's why I sort of
Speaker 4: started thinking that maybe the older casting was a bit
Speaker 4: of a joke or something, because it's so it is
Speaker 4: really subversive in interesting ways and very adult in parts
Speaker 4: and quite absurd when Travolta sings what's that sort of
Speaker 4: romantic song he sings towards the end. I think it's
Speaker 4: just it's just called Sandy maybe.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah at the drive in, at the driver Yeah, like.
Speaker 4: The choice to have him sing this emotional song again
Speaker 4: and the backdrop is this piece of ship add like
Speaker 4: refreshments at the drive in. Like those sorts of choices
Speaker 4: I think are really really funny.
Speaker 1: It's interesting just on that. He he he had a
Speaker 1: blue with the director, the directors like Randall Kleiser who
Speaker 1: would go under and director Blue Lagoon, and but Greece
Speaker 1: is without that his biggest, his biggest film, and Deravolta
Speaker 1: really wanted to end that song on a close up.
Speaker 1: He really, you know, was kind of demanding it. But
Speaker 1: the background shot is the hot dog jumping into the bun,
Speaker 1: you know, which which they kind of they were trying
Speaker 1: to get as many sexual you know, innuendo as possible,
Speaker 1: and he said like this is no like this this
Speaker 1: is a shot. And the director won that won that fight.
Speaker 1: With that said, the reverse shot of Travolta kind of
Speaker 1: in the shadow because he's sitting on the swing, it
Speaker 1: was almost like silhouetted is one of the coolest shots
Speaker 1: of the movie.
Speaker 4: So totally, and that's actually quite interesting that he wanted
Speaker 4: the close up because I'm a huge fan of Saturday
Speaker 4: Night Fever and that's a film where I know that
Speaker 4: he was in the He was in the edit suite
Speaker 4: for his iconic dance number to the Bug's you Should
Speaker 4: Be Dancing. The original edit was all done in close ups,
Speaker 4: and he was actually saying, no, you need to go wide.
Speaker 4: You need because you can't see because he put all
Speaker 4: this work into getting you know, the moves doing you know,
Speaker 4: it's all the leg work and everything he was doing.
Speaker 4: But the original edit was entirely in close. It's quite
Speaker 4: funny that on Grease he's like, no, I want you
Speaker 4: to go close. On a Sunday night people, He's like, no,
Speaker 4: I want to go wide.
Speaker 1: We'll kind of go back and go through more in order.
Speaker 1: But the end when the final song where Danny and
Speaker 1: sand you're the second last song, I think you're the
Speaker 1: one that I want, and they're kind of they go
Speaker 1: through that kind of like play kind of you know,
Speaker 1: like a amusement amusement park kind of thing. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's got a lot the spinning kind of wheel, they
Speaker 1: kind of you know, they walk through when they're kind
Speaker 1: of coming back out, and the director actually he wanted
Speaker 1: the close up then and then the pan back out,
Speaker 1: but then he realized, no, with with the musical and
Speaker 1: when they're dancing, you do need to see their feet,
Speaker 1: you know that that's kind of where it is. So
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought maybe it was ego with with
Speaker 1: Travola wanting that, but maybe you know, with what you
Speaker 1: say about Saurday Night Live, maybe he appreciates, No, there
Speaker 1: are times when you do need to be wide to
Speaker 1: capture the dancing and the feet. But you know, I'm
Speaker 1: sitting on a swing here, you know, give me, give
Speaker 1: me a closer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And he was my understanding that Travolsa when he
Speaker 4: was a real student of Hollywood and and when he
Speaker 4: came into the business. I remember I remember heing something
Speaker 4: about like he sought out Jimmy Cagney, who was very
Speaker 4: old at that point, and befriended him. And Cagney hadn't
Speaker 4: acted for years, and so I think he was you know,
Speaker 4: he wasn't just some kind of he wasn't just a kid,
Speaker 4: you know, he was someone who really cared about the Medium.
Speaker 2: Mountain Shaker yet Jody Yellow Belly Door.
Speaker 4: And so I had quite strong opinions that must have
Speaker 4: been an incredible period of him because he was so
Speaker 4: good in Fever as well. I just you've seen something
Speaker 4: that Fever. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And see, I said my wife last night, I said,
Speaker 1: how like that's a movie star right there when you
Speaker 1: first see Danny Zuko at the school. Yeah, and he
Speaker 1: turns around. He's got the you know, the smoke, you know,
Speaker 1: the cigarette hanging over in his mouth, and he turns
Speaker 1: around and it's just it's a great shot and it's
Speaker 1: just like, that's a movie star right there.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And you know, and his hair is so good.
Speaker 4: You can see why he went to the plugs later
Speaker 4: in life because it was, you know, because he started
Speaker 4: so strong and it's hard to let that go, it
Speaker 4: really is.
Speaker 1: But you're right. But you I mentioned like earlier that
Speaker 1: he's funny in this, and like, I think he's as
Speaker 1: funny in this as he is in pulp fiction, like
Speaker 1: and almost anything I've seen him in, like that scene
Speaker 1: when he first sees Sandy at the school and then
Speaker 1: he has to kind of you know, he realizes that
Speaker 1: he's the tea birds. You know, you're not being cooled,
Speaker 1: and he and he rains it back in and you know,
Speaker 1: you know, look up the Yellow Pages. Don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm obsessed with his delivery. This is where I'm annoyed
Speaker 4: that I hadn't wanted to f earlier, because if I
Speaker 4: had seen it as a kid, I think if people
Speaker 4: throughout my life, if people said to me, hey, what
Speaker 4: have you been up to? Would be rock. But that's delivery.
Speaker 1: That's scene the in the in the diner when he's
Speaker 1: in the Sandy's with you know, the boy who gets
Speaker 1: you know, pretty dropped, you know, on the running track
Speaker 1: later on, pretty abruptly, but they're at the jukebox and
Speaker 1: he's delivery of that going don't make me laugh.
Speaker 4: I've actually got that. I've written that down. Those the
Speaker 4: two lines I'd written down his standout comedic performance, like
Speaker 4: he's actually really sorry, we're just we're not here to
Speaker 4: talk about something. But he's very funny. He even has
Speaker 4: very funny moments in that where there's a line where
Speaker 4: he does he does a dance move and one of
Speaker 4: the actresses, one of the female characters, says to him, oh,
Speaker 4: did you did you make that? Did you make that
Speaker 4: move up and he's like, yeah, yeah, I saw it
Speaker 4: on TV and then I made it up and like
Speaker 4: the same thing with it when he talks about speaking
Speaker 4: about his hair as well, like his father hits him
Speaker 4: over the head early in the film, it's like, spent
Speaker 4: a lot of my time in my hair and he
Speaker 4: hits it, hits my hair. He's got great coming. You
Speaker 4: can see why the look is talking. People are just like, well,
Speaker 4: this is the guy.
Speaker 1: I mean the I did write another line I wrote down.
Speaker 1: There's a few lines that really I would have seen
Speaker 1: this film over thirty times and there's still some lines
Speaker 1: I picked up last night. I haven't watched it for
Speaker 1: a while. But going back to Sid Caesar, who's who
Speaker 1: plays the you know, the high school sports coach, when
Speaker 1: he in that moment when he's at the rally and
Speaker 1: he's talking about, you know, we're gonna tear him apart
Speaker 1: and all that, and then he says, we're going to
Speaker 1: come back and we're going to ring that victory bell.
Speaker 1: And then he pauses and I've always missed him, and
Speaker 1: he says like we've always wanted to. They've never actually
Speaker 1: they've never actually rung that victory bell. And then he pays,
Speaker 1: he pays the lectern and he hurts his hand and
Speaker 1: it's in a big wait, in a miss, but it's
Speaker 1: it's all there. And one of the things I'm so
Speaker 1: impressed with is the absolute buy in from everyone in
Speaker 1: this movie, Like it's not it's not just the pink
Speaker 1: ladies and the tea birds. The extras are just so good.
Speaker 1: And I heard that all the extras, and there are
Speaker 1: quite a few of them, you know, throughout the school,
Speaker 1: they were all given names, and they were all given backstories,
Speaker 1: so they stayed in that in the character for the
Speaker 1: entirely background that they may have been acting a bit
Speaker 1: naughty because they were like a naughty kid, and you know,
Speaker 1: or this ex these two extras actually have a relationship,
Speaker 1: so you see something passion in the background. So that's
Speaker 1: that was their kind of you know, there are couples
Speaker 1: so so and it just it makes sense. And only
Speaker 1: only found that out last night, and it makes perfectself.
Speaker 1: Always just thought that they are so good that dance
Speaker 1: number at the end, that I mean, top top marks.
Speaker 1: To the guy in the green polo, he is just
Speaker 1: giving it everything. We used to call him, we used
Speaker 1: to call him Penguin VIC. Penguin VIC was a camp
Speaker 1: Victorian campaign when we were growing up, because he does
Speaker 1: that kind of like thing. He almost looks like a
Speaker 1: little penguin waddle. Towards the end of the movie.
Speaker 4: He's doing a bit of he's doing a bit of
Speaker 4: grad show marks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, I saw its Penguin VIC.
Speaker 4: Right, I'm sure show everything from Penguin VIC.
Speaker 1: So funny he grad of course he was doing once
Speaker 1: my eight year old decided it was Penguin VIC. It
Speaker 1: was Penguin Vick.
Speaker 4: It's Penguin Now it'll be on the Wikipedia page by
Speaker 4: the end of the day. Yeah, that's yeah, that's that's
Speaker 4: really nice when there's details that you can look for
Speaker 4: in the you know, when you know something like that
Speaker 4: that all those people are really sort of invested in,
Speaker 4: it's sort of fun to go back and I kind
Speaker 4: of watch what everyone's you know, doing and giving there all.
Speaker 4: It reminds me of there's a it's a weird reference.
Speaker 4: There's a when when there's the three Fox with Fox
Speaker 4: Studios opened in Sydney. They put on a big kind
Speaker 4: of musical one hour presentation thing and you can find
Speaker 4: it on YouTube, and there's just certain performers who are
Speaker 4: performing behind David Campbell, behind Hugh Jackman, who are really
Speaker 4: they're giving it everything. Yeah, vision they know they're on camera. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so they're they're wonderful.
Speaker 1: Let's go back, let's go. Before we go, I want
Speaker 1: to talk about the opening, but I just want to
Speaker 1: point out Randall Clark to the director to encourage improvisation,
Speaker 1: and in fact, the duty Sonny and Patsy would would.
Speaker 1: They were encouraged to go and come up with some
Speaker 1: kind of routine, and then they suggested, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: we can do it like a Max Brothers a routine.
Speaker 1: So they do three three stooges routine. Sorry, yes, and
Speaker 1: they kind of, you know, came up with that. Apparently
Speaker 1: travleder And and Jeff Conway play Knicky got along really
Speaker 1: well and they the scene when Karnicky are standing to
Speaker 1: be second at thunder Road like they were, you know,
Speaker 1: wondering how to do that, and he Jeff couldn't Quoe
Speaker 1: get his head around it, and they kind of what
Speaker 1: if we hug and then you know, like you guys
Speaker 1: hugging in the in the you know, in the fifties
Speaker 1: is you know, it's kind of well, that's that's not cool.
Speaker 1: So they then broke out into that kind of you
Speaker 1: know he you know, so combing their hair, and.
Speaker 9: Those guys probably wrong, they're not fool around.
Speaker 4: No, well you want me to punk out?
Speaker 9: No, I'm not saying punking out, but I'm just.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
Speaker 9: Then I'm friends a long term right, Yeah, well you
Speaker 9: remember the driver in your night We went and the
Speaker 9: move and it was like the door in the guy's
Speaker 9: best friend one woman, and and like it was just.
Speaker 4: Like his lieutenant, like a second you know. Yeah, so.
Speaker 9: I thought that you could maybe be my second thunder Road.
Speaker 9: What do you mean you you want me to drive
Speaker 9: with you or what not? Oh?
Speaker 1: Hey, open off the door, off the front of that.
Speaker 1: It's quite The movement's quite loose for a musical, like
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of quite in a really nice way, messy,
Speaker 1: you know, in a lovely good point.
Speaker 4: I hadn't thought of that, but you're absolutely right. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's Yeah, it feels it doesn't feel like insanely kind
Speaker 4: of North Korean military precision. Yeah, yeah, no, it does.
Speaker 4: It feels like a more natural Yeah, that's so true.
Speaker 4: It does feel like more natural sort of dance style.
Speaker 4: One thing I wanted to ask you just quickly was
Speaker 4: have you ever seen it on stage? Have you ever
Speaker 4: you know, have you ever seen any of those arena productions?
Speaker 1: I saw it. I saw it in London on the
Speaker 1: on the West End. I was over there when I
Speaker 1: was nineteen star and I saw it because my sister,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure she really wants me to say this,
Speaker 1: this appoint in time, but a big Gray McLaughlin fan,
Speaker 1: and I went to see that because he was starring
Speaker 1: in it and he was great in it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was really good. It was a really
Speaker 1: good production.
Speaker 4: He was still playing that. I mean, as much as
Speaker 4: we think that the cast in this are quite odd,
Speaker 4: I might be wrong, but my memory is that Craig
Speaker 4: McLaughlin was playing that role quite late. Like I think
Speaker 4: there was an a Rena production, maybe only ten years
Speaker 4: ago or something where I think it was him and
Speaker 4: maybe Natalie bassing Sway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, John Farnham I think was teen Angel, and then
Speaker 4: for some reason, because maybe Channel ten had a stake
Speaker 4: in it or something, all the rest of the cast
Speaker 4: were from that season of Australian Idol.
Speaker 1: Speaker Pauline was Don Zucho.
Speaker 4: That's it. That's my memory of it. I might be
Speaker 4: I might be wrong, but I do I just do remember.
Speaker 4: It just felt like one of those ideas of just like,
Speaker 4: how do we cash in on the success of this
Speaker 4: TV show. Oh, let's just you know, take him on
Speaker 4: the road. Craig McGoff has done this before. John Farnham
Speaker 4: can just come on, do one number and then just
Speaker 4: like you know, be in his car before the end
Speaker 4: of the first act. Yeah, I love I love performance.
Speaker 4: You have to just do one song and then stick
Speaker 4: around for the rest of the night, saying earlier that
Speaker 4: I just seen Pippin and Kerry and Kennelly just has
Speaker 4: one song and then just has just I'm guessing she's
Speaker 4: just doing sudoku backstage for the rest.
Speaker 1: So let's go back to the start. It's it's a
Speaker 1: pretty it's as cheesy as it is with the opening
Speaker 1: on the beach and you know, the waves and Danny
Speaker 1: and Sandy having their summer romance. It's very effective, like everything,
Speaker 1: all all the beats are there at the start. We
Speaker 1: have the summer that we understand, and then there's there's
Speaker 1: a feeling. I think it gives you really good feels
Speaker 1: and good vibes, you know, the summer romance. You know,
Speaker 1: we all either had a summer romance or dreapt of
Speaker 1: having a summer romance, and then into the idea of
Speaker 1: going back to school and seeing your mate for the
Speaker 1: first time, you know, after after the holidays, and then
Speaker 1: we had the feeling of you know, Sandy starting in
Speaker 1: new school. We've all had that feeling, whether we're going
Speaker 1: from you know, grade six and the seven you know,
Speaker 1: and the pink ladies are excited because they're now they're
Speaker 1: now seniors. So there's all these kind of like I
Speaker 1: think beats they hit that are kind of like touchstones
Speaker 1: that most of us have had.
Speaker 4: I think it's also interesting as well that it feels
Speaker 4: like there's a lot of different kind of styles and
Speaker 4: I mean almost sort of filmmaking styles within this film
Speaker 4: like that, because that opening scene is almost like a
Speaker 4: short film in and of itself. It's in a completely
Speaker 4: different style to really anything else in the film. You've
Speaker 4: then got the musical numbers, which kind of are always
Speaker 4: sort of heightened, especially like Beautyfuel School drop out, like
Speaker 4: that's essentially almost operates like yeah, as a dream sequence.
Speaker 4: But then you have there are scenes with Rizzo that
Speaker 4: are very grounded and play as sort of serious drama.
Speaker 4: So it's quite amazing that all these different styles actually
Speaker 4: really gel and work together when they could be I
Speaker 4: think in other hands like completely jarring. And I think
Speaker 4: it's great the way that the opening titles just that
Speaker 4: just that really kick starts the film, so that if
Speaker 4: you felt that that opening was getting too sappy, you
Speaker 4: kind of like jolted into no, we're gonna have a
Speaker 4: good time.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I never knew growing up why it was called Greece,
Speaker 1: because the term grease doesn't come into it. But the
Speaker 1: older I got, I realized that it's, you know, it's
Speaker 1: a it's a tribute to the fifties, and it's it's
Speaker 1: the greasy hair that was there at a time, the
Speaker 1: greasy food. You know, Greece. As far as cars go.
Speaker 1: In Mexico, it was actually released as Vaselina is the
Speaker 1: name of the Yes.
Speaker 4: Well, then I think we should do a quick run
Speaker 4: of we'd foreign titles for American films. I lived in
Speaker 4: France for a year and one of my favorite things
Speaker 4: would be going to a video store and just staring
Speaker 4: at a film cover, trying to work out how they
Speaker 4: got to that title from the original. So like the
Speaker 4: Home Alone series is like it's it's called mom, I
Speaker 4: missed the plane, And then the whole Naked Gun trilogy
Speaker 4: is like is there depending on who the main character,
Speaker 4: the other characters are in the film, it's like they're
Speaker 4: all called like, is there a policeman to save the Queen?
Speaker 4: One of the one of the titles, and I think
Speaker 4: my favorite one was I think it was either Remember
Speaker 4: there were two films which were like one was called
Speaker 4: like Friends with Benefits. Yes, so there was one which
Speaker 4: was like Aston Kutcher and someone.
Speaker 1: And then there was the Timberlake and Mylecunis I think.
Speaker 4: Was Timberlake Millic and then Aston Culture and Adilmember that
Speaker 4: one was attached and the other. Yeah, so I think
Speaker 4: one or the other of it. In France, they didn't
Speaker 4: even give it a French title. They just get My
Speaker 4: favorite was when they took an English title, didn't translate
Speaker 4: into French, just gave it different English titles. So Friends
Speaker 4: with Benefits sex friends sex friends. Yeah, okay, so that's Alena,
Speaker 4: that's what that's what I'll be looking out for.
Speaker 1: And gave you a Mexican blockbuster that's what that is
Speaker 1: what you're looking for the first song. I think what
Speaker 1: happens at the high school certainly is is summer love.
Speaker 1: And and it's a it's a pretty good start, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, well choreographed, and I think it's a good
Speaker 1: you know, very kind of broad strokes and stereotypical ways.
Speaker 1: The way you know a boy may have viewed that
Speaker 1: summer romance in front of his mate, and the way
Speaker 1: the girl kind of views it exactly.
Speaker 4: I think that's a very effective way to convey that idea.
Speaker 4: And it's it's a it's a good sort of short,
Speaker 4: quick way to convey that story. And and yeah, and
Speaker 4: explain how those characters perceive the same event. You know,
Speaker 4: it's really clever. And you can see how that would
Speaker 4: work on stage as well. And yeah, so that yeah,
Speaker 4: because I gotta say, because of the summer nah thing,
Speaker 4: you know, I came into it with some just general pretrepidation.
Speaker 1: When you heard it in real time, has had it?
Speaker 1: How did it make you feel?
Speaker 4: I think it's less annoying when they sing it in
Speaker 4: the film than when I've experienced it in the real world.
Speaker 1: It may be John has a better voice than the
Speaker 1: girls at the back of the basket.
Speaker 4: That may be, but it's like, I'm a big embarrassment
Speaker 4: if I haven't already. But I'm a big karaoke fan.
Speaker 4: But one of my pet hates is, oh, let's sing
Speaker 4: Bohemian Rhapsody. Please don't sing it, because it's it's one
Speaker 4: of those songs that sort of sounds funny but it's
Speaker 4: not really, and it's actually long and quite tedious, and
Speaker 4: so people enjoy doing that. But I'm such a curmudgeon.
Speaker 4: I just sort of always you know, excuse me, I
Speaker 4: just need to go theom what have you? And you
Speaker 4: go through the walls of the toilet, you can you
Speaker 4: can hear, you know, Yeah, And so someone those is
Speaker 4: one of those ones as well. But it's just like,
Speaker 4: please don't sing it in my presence, but in the
Speaker 4: but in the context of the film it works and
Speaker 4: I can see how, Yeah, if you're a kid, you'd
Speaker 4: like that choice of that note and that it's kind
Speaker 4: of it's but it's also I'm a big Begs fan
Speaker 4: and I love the kind of falsetto things, so that
Speaker 4: sort of fits in with that. So I'm I'm opening
Speaker 4: up to it.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of references that went over my
Speaker 1: head as when I was watching when I was younger,
Speaker 1: there was one and even sometimes just dialogue. I misunderstand dialogue.
Speaker 1: I mean I do that songs still sometimes and even
Speaker 1: in movies still sometimes you go, what do they just say?
Speaker 1: And there are times where I had to rewind, you know,
Speaker 1: dialogue to understand what they These are American you know
Speaker 1: TV shows or movies.
Speaker 4: That's how you explained rewinding Basic instinct I'm trying to
Speaker 4: hear what Sarence Doone is saying in this interrogation scene.
Speaker 4: I just it's just not clear. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: My wife's like, yeah, you didn't understand a donnering Body
Speaker 1: of Evidence as well. There seems to be a theme
Speaker 1: developing anyone.
Speaker 4: I'm talking about body of Evidence so needlessly pornographics.
Speaker 1: It hasn't it hasn't come up in this podcast until now,
Speaker 1: So glad to go. I mentioned I would love.
Speaker 4: Someone to come on here and say, you know, I'm
Speaker 4: you know whoever it is, I'm you know, Dave Hughes
Speaker 4: and I've never seen The King and I and my
Speaker 4: three favorite films are Body of Basic Instincts and Show Girl.
Speaker 1: Okay, there's a there's a line in that where they
Speaker 1: say nobody's that they refer to and that's drugs and
Speaker 1: they say nobody's drugs are bigger than nets, and I
Speaker 1: always thought it was nobody's jugs are bigger than her nets. Like,
Speaker 1: so I was thinking, what's what's a net? Is that
Speaker 1: sexual innuendo? For like? Like, and I couldn't you know,
Speaker 1: I was like eleven, just going what what is What's
Speaker 1: a net? Is that like a vagina like is saying
Speaker 1: that her drugs aren't bigger than her vagina? Like just so,
Speaker 1: there's a character in Greece and I don't think we
Speaker 1: ever meet, because it comes up again in the when
Speaker 1: the girls are having their sleep over. I think they
Speaker 1: say something like would you would you try that crap
Speaker 1: with a net? Or something or something like that. I'm
Speaker 1: paraphrasing a bit. So there's a character call of net
Speaker 1: that we don't actually that I'm not aware of. Yasney
Speaker 1: podcast at gmail dot com, if if if you know
Speaker 1: who a net is? But yeah, it's so Annette is
Speaker 1: a character who don't see but she has big jugs.
Speaker 4: It does feel like a missed opportunity that there is
Speaker 4: not just a cutaway at some point to a yes,
Speaker 4: a larger you know exactly and just and just one
Speaker 4: guy just going hey in that, like you just feel
Speaker 4: like that's something that should have come along.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Eugene, Eugene should have walked fast and that in
Speaker 1: this year.
Speaker 4: And then there should have been an.
Speaker 1: Exactly what should have happened. Maybe it happened in Greece too.
Speaker 1: I haven't actually seen Greece too. I haven't put myself.
Speaker 4: I've not seen obviously, I've not seen it. That's interesting
Speaker 4: that you are, because I would have guessed, as someone
Speaker 4: who has only seen Star Wars more than Greece, that
Speaker 4: you would have been curious and sometimes to see Grease too,
Speaker 4: or you just sort of scared that it will. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think I've always had that legacy. Yes, that that
Speaker 1: that's it. I've seen moments of it, and I just
Speaker 1: know that it did not appeal to me at all.
Speaker 1: And I love Michelle Faiffer. I'm glad you've done well, but.
Speaker 4: And you've been openly. I mean, you won't find a
Speaker 4: bigger Maxwell core Field fan. I mean you've often spoken
Speaker 4: about his work on the podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and on the project I have a Maxfield makes
Speaker 1: I call Field a segment funnily enough, but the girls
Speaker 1: night is a fun night. There was another line that
Speaker 1: I kind of kind of picked up last night when
Speaker 1: they Jam brings the twinkies and Marty's at the wine
Speaker 1: and Jan grabs the bottle and says, look, it says
Speaker 1: dessert wine. It's a dessert wine, which I thought it
Speaker 1: was fun, fun, little fun fact. I mentioned earlier that
Speaker 1: Elvis was offered the role as the teen agel for
Speaker 1: the Beauty Schuol dropout. He said no, maybe, Luckily he did.
Speaker 1: He actually died whilst this has been filmed. In fact,
Speaker 1: whilst this scene was being shot on the day of
Speaker 1: August sixteen, nineteen seventy seven, ironically, Rizzo kind of sings
Speaker 1: about Elvis, Trent, Donna Hue and then into Elvis, Elvis, Elvis,
Speaker 1: keep your pelvis far from me. And as you were
Speaker 1: saying that line, now Elvis was dying on a toilet
Speaker 1: in Graceland. I've timed it to the second.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I thought it was interesting at least that
Speaker 4: Priscilla said that in her eulogy was a weird thing
Speaker 4: to bring up. But yeah, no, fair enough, Yeah, no, yes, maybe, well,
Speaker 4: I mean, who's to say, maybe if he'd done the film,
Speaker 4: he would have lived. I don't know, maybe you would
Speaker 4: have gone and lost the weight and you got himself
Speaker 4: into shape for it and the Yeah, but this is
Speaker 4: a more broader cultural point.
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 4: The other problem, another reason I didn't see Grace for
Speaker 4: a long time, is another reason that I've never really
Speaker 4: fully embraced Elvis is that I think there's something about
Speaker 4: being born into a world where something is already revered
Speaker 4: and and it's hard to kind of discover it for yourself. Yeah,
Speaker 4: the same thing with Princess Bride, Like because we missed
Speaker 4: it as kids, you know, we were now in a
Speaker 4: world where we were sort of led to believe it's
Speaker 4: this wonderful thing, and so it's there's all this expectation
Speaker 4: on it, and so you know, it took me years
Speaker 4: to kind of appreciate Frank Sinatra. And I still have
Speaker 4: never really got into the Beatles because I was born
Speaker 4: into a world where the Beatles were the big thing,
Speaker 4: and you know, and I've heard the song, it's like
Speaker 4: they're fine, But to me then you know, it doesn't
Speaker 4: compare to tear Drops by Womack and Womack, you know,
Speaker 4: So that's it's I think I've always had a sort
Speaker 4: of a resistance to kind of any of those big
Speaker 4: sort of cultural icons.
Speaker 1: I think it's the same when you know, I've been
Speaker 1: involved with launching TV shows and I've done it where
Speaker 1: and then radio shows where it's been like a big
Speaker 1: campaign to launch as opposed to a softer like Row.
Speaker 1: The original Rove series was on eleven o'clock at night
Speaker 1: on Channel nine, you know, and then before the game
Speaker 1: started as after the game, and that was on it,
Speaker 1: you know, eleven o'clock as well, and then became before
Speaker 1: the game, which you know went the prime time seven thirty.
Speaker 1: And those shows kind of like had their own like
Speaker 1: people who discovered the show. And the difference between when
Speaker 1: somebody discovers the show as opposed to a massive campaign
Speaker 1: saying you must watch this show, is that the pressure
Speaker 1: that that kind of campaign puts on that show people
Speaker 1: judge it immediately as opposed to the word of mouthing
Speaker 1: of being told. I mean, you look at Onie Donna
Speaker 1: now and like those boys have worked so hard, but
Speaker 1: they have they have grown their own fan base and
Speaker 1: they are getting all the rewards for it now much deservingly, and.
Speaker 4: Let things find it. Things find their feet. I think
Speaker 4: it's very difficult to get something perfect out of the gate.
Speaker 4: Some things do, and that's that's that's brilliant. But I
Speaker 4: think there's a lot of shows, you know, Seinfeld famously
Speaker 4: is one of those examples of a show where if
Speaker 4: you go back and watch the Seinfeld chronicles, if you
Speaker 4: watched back and watch the you know where they started from.
Speaker 4: Thank god they were given a chance to keep going
Speaker 4: and and and kind of work it out.
Speaker 1: Was one of those shows that television there's no television
Speaker 1: show in history where the first episode is the best
Speaker 1: episode that just does not exist.
Speaker 4: No, No, I mean a very and very occasionally there
Speaker 4: are killer pilots, like Cheers is one show that the
Speaker 4: pilot is very very strong. Golden Girls is similar as well.
Speaker 4: But generally these things take time. So that's you know,
Speaker 4: that's that's that's our excuse for any future endeavors where
Speaker 4: we're not quite ready.
Speaker 1: They spent too much on the promotion that that Olivia
Speaker 1: Newton John sings hopelessly devoted. Now, this was added to
Speaker 1: the film after it was written, after they had wrapped.
Speaker 1: Olivi Newton John had it in a contract to have
Speaker 1: one solo song and so it was kind of kind
Speaker 1: of working on I think during production, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: kind of completed until after and they had to kind
Speaker 1: of find it a point to put it in. It
Speaker 1: gonna work seamlessly. I mean I would never would.
Speaker 4: Have I wouldn't have guessed that.
Speaker 1: No, and the director Randall Kleiser was a bit hesitant,
Speaker 1: wasn't completely sold on the song. It was the only
Speaker 1: Oscar nomination they got that for that song. Amazing.
Speaker 4: This reminds me of again of another example of an
Speaker 4: idiot I am. I've seen Olivia. I've seen Olivia and
Speaker 4: John perform live four times, I think and like, which
Speaker 4: makes no sense for someone who's never seen So for
Speaker 4: me everyone, the moment that everyone is looking forward to
Speaker 4: is the total chore for me during those concerts, because
Speaker 4: I'm like physical, do dare to dream from the opening
Speaker 4: ceremony of the Sydney Olympics. Yeah, I'm an idiot, but
Speaker 4: never Yeah? Maybe now nice to go and actually see
Speaker 4: her once. I now know that I learned what well
Speaker 4: I kind of.
Speaker 1: I think that the first time I ever heard of
Speaker 1: a condom was Rizzo and Kaniki in the back for
Speaker 1: with his twenty five cent insurance policy. Could you call
Speaker 1: me my member's name o.
Speaker 5: Bey Betty, Oh Betty, that's.
Speaker 4: Something you can.
Speaker 9: My twenty fist cent insurance policy.
Speaker 4: Brogue. How could it break? I bought it when I
Speaker 4: was in the seventh.
Speaker 1: Grade, and I like, weirdly when when they said it broke,
Speaker 1: I had to imagine what actually broke? Well well, and
Speaker 1: I think, I, yeah, you know, piece together what it
Speaker 1: actually was. But I always for quite a while I
Speaker 1: had like I was, I was just kind of think
Speaker 1: what breaks. It has to be something hard that breaks.
Speaker 1: For some reason, some reason, I wasn't thinking anything, you know,
Speaker 1: like a rubber could you know you could break a rubbit?
Speaker 1: But so I always thought, for some reason condoms were
Speaker 1: like a hard surface.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean that just shows the level of sex education.
Speaker 1: I would do a Christian Brothers college. They keet them
Speaker 1: away from us.
Speaker 4: We had a video that was actually tweeted out this
Speaker 4: recently to see if anyone could actually dig it up.
Speaker 4: We were we were showing a video hosted by Roy
Speaker 4: slave Rampaging Royla, and it was so it was just
Speaker 4: a funny about sex and we basically it started with
Speaker 4: him in a mattress factory and and he's doing like
Speaker 4: a sort of George Nigas piece to camera, and he's
Speaker 4: got his leg up on one of the mattresses and
Speaker 4: he's talking talking about safe sex, and then just like
Speaker 4: the format of the factory says, oh could you fall
Speaker 4: off that mattress? People gonna be written on that. That's
Speaker 4: how I learned about sex.
Speaker 1: I really want to find that if anyone's.
Speaker 4: In the ABC archives somewhere, eighty dollars for a copy
Speaker 4: to be transferred to digitalized?
Speaker 1: What did you make it? A scorpions creater face?
Speaker 4: And now was he always here's my question. Was he
Speaker 4: always called creater face? Or was it like they cast
Speaker 4: him and they went he's got that? Or did they
Speaker 4: cast him because he had the I don't that's scarring?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because he's seen he always seemed like he
Speaker 1: might have been pushing forty.
Speaker 4: He's the one who you really go, this seems a
Speaker 4: bit much. Yeah. But what I don't understand about creative
Speaker 4: face and jumping ahead to the racing the car racing
Speaker 4: under Yeah, I don't think under ro love how quickly
Speaker 4: you on the road just a car rige touch turnpike? Okay, Rod?
Speaker 4: So is it right? So that the race is to
Speaker 4: win the other car.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ownership papers.
Speaker 4: I think we found who's the eugene in the stomicas, like,
Speaker 4: why if you're going to try to win the other car,
Speaker 4: would you attach these blades to destroy the car you're
Speaker 4: trying to win yours?
Speaker 1: Th shit's the bed Strategically in that race, when Danny's
Speaker 1: Zugo goes up the side, just keep going straight and
Speaker 1: you probably win. Let him take the wide turn. Its
Speaker 1: thunder road is a straight You must know it's a
Speaker 1: straight road. Just keep going straight.
Speaker 4: Oh god, I do.
Speaker 1: All say like that? He says the rules are there?
Speaker 1: Ain't no rules and then he outlays a rule the
Speaker 1: first ones at the bridge and back.
Speaker 4: I can now see this is going to be a letter,
Speaker 4: dear Paramount Studio. We have a few notes.
Speaker 1: Fifty years on forty two, Grease Lightning is one of
Speaker 1: the big songs and a big, a big production number
Speaker 1: in the production because this was a musical before it
Speaker 1: went to screen, it was Kanicki song and they had
Speaker 1: to kind of go to Jeff Conway and say, listen,
Speaker 1: we want to give this the the zuko. Are you
Speaker 1: okay with that? He was a bit resistant but he
Speaker 1: came around. Good work. Jeff Conway, sadly he actually I've
Speaker 1: read two versions, one that was in the Beauty School
Speaker 1: Dropout Song, but he's not in that musical that number,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't quite make sense. I have heard that
Speaker 1: in this one he he did a stunt where he
Speaker 1: was they dropped him and he kind of fucked his back,
Speaker 1: which led to him getting on painkillers, which led to
Speaker 1: a lifetime addiction and and maybe in the cause of
Speaker 1: his demise. So sad note for Kanicki and Jeff Conway.
Speaker 1: But it's a ripping song. Don't dwell on the he
Speaker 1: just noted, pay our respects and move on.
Speaker 4: I like that. The dance moves are also something that
Speaker 4: I like. The lack of ambition on some of the
Speaker 4: dance moves, and they are things that if you were
Speaker 4: doing a school production, it's easily replicable. It's not going
Speaker 4: to be too much for stretch to do. Okay, it's
Speaker 4: fist up, fist for the right, fist up, stretched out across.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll bring in actual dances in the side to
Speaker 1: show everybody that there is some dancing going on. But
Speaker 1: you know, you guys don't have to carry the low
Speaker 1: disciplines of three stooges routines. On the pig Lady side,
Speaker 1: Marty apparently the actually who played Marty, who would go
Speaker 1: on and become and who was my favorite by the way,
Speaker 1: pick Lady Ship. I thought she was one. She was
Speaker 1: really cute and really funny. I thought Marty was really funny.
Speaker 1: But she she would be the mum on Empty Nest.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you remember the sitcom Empty Nest.
Speaker 4: Well, Empty Nest was a spin off from The Golden Girls,
Speaker 4: right of course, yes.
Speaker 1: So yeah, he was was was the mummy.
Speaker 4: So you're saying she was. She did not spend her
Speaker 4: life on painkillers. That's what you're not.
Speaker 1: You know, she did not. She got to I think
Speaker 1: she's still alive.
Speaker 4: Like you're I feel like you're a producer sort of saying.
Speaker 4: But think of all the actors you didn't one was
Speaker 4: an emptinss.
Speaker 1: But she famously could not apparently was hopeless at dancing.
Speaker 1: You know, they try to give a dancing lesson. She
Speaker 1: was no good. So Marty does not dance in any
Speaker 1: point in this. But there's always a reason why she's
Speaker 1: not dancing.
Speaker 4: I love that. There's if you go and watch people
Speaker 4: should go and watch Waiting for Guffman. And there's if
Speaker 4: there's a scene where when Corky Harky is in Claire,
Speaker 4: eployed by Christopher Guest, is trying to teach this the
Speaker 4: true Teacher dance number to the actors, and he's got
Speaker 4: he's got his he's got his trousers on backwards anyway,
Speaker 4: and just watch Eugene Levy. Eugene Levy is liberately standing
Speaker 4: behind everyone else because he is laughing throughout the entire time.
Speaker 1: I'm going to watch that tonight, Waiting for Government. It's agreed.
Speaker 1: Startning great. I gotta say, great transition. I'm all. I
Speaker 1: love a good transition from from the garage Danny going
Speaker 1: under under the under the car and one of those
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not sure what they in the mechanics
Speaker 1: call them, those rolling things that get him under the cars.
Speaker 1: And then he comes out the other side and they're
Speaker 1: in the shiny, the shiny world of the shiny car
Speaker 1: and the yeah, the shiny overalls.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very you know, David Lean, you eat your
Speaker 4: heart out, you know, it's beautiful. Forget the sort of
Speaker 4: sun sunset and putting out the match. In Lawrence of Arabia.
Speaker 4: That's the real you know, these transitions in Greece where
Speaker 4: it's at.
Speaker 1: And apparent when he gets a cling wrap, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden starts and he actually kind of puts it
Speaker 1: over it for a moment, he just kind of up
Speaker 1: puts it over his grin is apparently a reference. Apparently
Speaker 1: in the fifties there was a big a lot of
Speaker 1: misunderstood and misguided Uh you know teens, male teens would
Speaker 1: use clean rap as a contraception.
Speaker 4: Well, I've heard of some kids even thinking that that
Speaker 4: condoms were like a solid hard something.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's ridiculous. I'm not sure. I mean, do
Speaker 1: some facts searching before you come on this podcast, mate,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure where you're getting that crack on Daily Melee.
Speaker 4: I think you'll learn a lot about sex from the
Speaker 4: dad in Mail. I mean, I didn't know what an
Speaker 4: under boob was, and.
Speaker 1: So I think we're circumnavigated the boob, I think, haven't
Speaker 1: we Like? I think, yeah, the clean he has always been.
Speaker 4: A thing exactly.
Speaker 1: Underboo.
Speaker 4: Really, we just got to you just need to release
Speaker 4: the We're just skirting around the issue, aren't we.
Speaker 1: Gibraltar at the gym fun then when he gets into
Speaker 1: his sports he's he wears a high short, he wears it, well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, great comit of there, and and again it's his
Speaker 4: comedy chops like he just I think I've just forgotten
Speaker 4: how funny he can be, because yeah, because for most
Speaker 4: of my life he's just you know, he's been doing
Speaker 4: films like Old Old Dogs. Yeah, and it's so nice
Speaker 4: to see someone in there aliment and he said he
Speaker 4: was so good on Welcome Back Coddor as well. Yeah,
Speaker 4: like just such a such a clear star. I hope
Speaker 4: he I hope he gets. I know he's had more
Speaker 4: career revivals than most, but it does feel like because
Speaker 4: I saw he did, he's hit the convention circuit in
Speaker 4: the last year or so and that's not that's dangerous exactly,
Speaker 4: that's it, but very lucrative. I think it's like three
Speaker 4: hundred dollars to get a photo with him, and uh,
Speaker 4: you know, good money. But I hope that someone can
Speaker 4: come along and give him that second you know, whoever
Speaker 4: the next tarantino Is can give from a late career resurgence.
Speaker 1: Or maybe maybe Quanta full time gig. That's the part.
Speaker 4: I'm obsessed with that does he have his own uniform,
Speaker 4: like does that Yeah? How does that work? And does it? Yeah?
Speaker 4: And what's the process for him to just go? Mind
Speaker 4: if I stole along or if I said, here, pop
Speaker 4: into the cockpit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if I'm on that plane, I just don't want
Speaker 1: John Travolda flying it and on Joyce if you're listening,
Speaker 1: Dennis kau is obviously never seen a game of basketball
Speaker 1: before because he doesn't know you need to dribble.
Speaker 4: Here's something wonderful about how Yeah, if you actually follow
Speaker 4: through the logic of that, how sheltered you'd have to
Speaker 4: be to not be aware of of how the game works.
Speaker 1: The let's go to the dance off. The dance off
Speaker 1: his is great. It was shot in a real gym.
Speaker 1: It was apparently with no air conditioning. It was hot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: people fainting on set. But Jesus works, Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, big time. And so all I can think about
Speaker 4: with U, So just thinking about that scene is Vince
Speaker 4: Fontaine and just I mean just like, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 4: how can I put this? I just but basically what
Speaker 4: we now understand about certain TV presenters, Yes, we're sort
Speaker 4: of you know, openly displayed in that film.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Rodan Pharaoh would have had a field day
Speaker 1: with Ben s Fontaine.
Speaker 4: That's right. And it amuses me as well that like
Speaker 4: in I think the most recent stage production, Bert Newton
Speaker 4: played that role and I can't quite see it. I
Speaker 4: just can't quite see it.
Speaker 1: But like you'll have like Burton Newton cracking onto like
Speaker 1: Olympia the Lance or something.
Speaker 4: I mean, you can yes, essentially, and if you go
Speaker 4: and this is not this is not the same thing
Speaker 4: against but if you go on to YouTube and I think,
Speaker 4: you know, there's I think the interview with Niki Webster
Speaker 4: where now she was she was? Did be clear she
Speaker 4: was you know, she was of age by this point,
Speaker 4: but I think she she posed in Ralph HM. And
Speaker 4: you know Bert's kind of doing Burt So that's kind
Speaker 4: of I guess what that might have been like seeing
Speaker 4: that sort of thing. Yeah, I've entered into Murky Territorn't.
Speaker 1: I had Vince Spontane written in He also, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if you caught the line where Marty kind of
Speaker 1: says later that he actually Vince Fontaine spiked her cola
Speaker 1: with an aspirant exactly.
Speaker 4: That didn't I didn't register that on the first fearing
Speaker 4: and the second one she with there is at it's
Speaker 4: interesting as well once you're kind of conscious of the
Speaker 4: adult kind of element to it. There are times where
Speaker 4: I'm like, going, then, now, I'm not sure if I'm
Speaker 4: actually reading too much into it. Right at the end
Speaker 4: of the film, when you can throw a cream part
Speaker 4: the teachers just even just the sign saying cream a teacher,
Speaker 4: and then and then I think does always go to
Speaker 4: someone say you're gonna get it right in the puss
Speaker 4: or something. I'm kind of started confused by that. So again,
Speaker 4: I don't know if I'm.
Speaker 1: But I think that it was I think the puss
Speaker 1: means because they used to use that kind of terminology
Speaker 1: in cartoons, like right in a puss, you know, So
Speaker 1: I think that means the face.
Speaker 4: Right, Okay, Okay, So I'm just I'm just going to turn.
Speaker 1: I mean, please, I'm not sure you're looking for sexual
Speaker 1: in your window in Greece. I really, I really don't
Speaker 1: know what film you were watching. The rules are interesting,
Speaker 1: but it must be boy and boy and girl. So
Speaker 1: you know, any reboot of Grease might want to address that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm interested to watch, like because there's been there's
Speaker 4: been like Grease Live.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little live show the NBC, I think
Speaker 1: about three years ago.
Speaker 4: I think when well, I'm interested to see if they've
Speaker 4: done any sort of updates to that.
Speaker 1: And no vulgar moves, which are KNICKI kind of he
Speaker 1: gets he gets on the ground and really goes for
Speaker 1: it in a move I think we now referred to
Speaker 1: as the Juliani.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the no vulcary sort of goes out the window
Speaker 4: pretty quickly on that. In that Danes composition. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's not really vulgar when it's you know, men and
Speaker 4: women in there. What are the early forties.
Speaker 1: It's just a night without the kids, really, isn't it.
Speaker 1: We all get a bit loose when we get the
Speaker 1: get the leave pass and we get to go and
Speaker 1: have date night.
Speaker 4: But even they really like as well. Is the dynamic
Speaker 4: between Eve, between the principal and her secretary. It's a
Speaker 4: really nice fun dynamic there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they filled those roles. You know, there's comedy all
Speaker 1: the way through it. If you're watching the broadcast of
Speaker 1: that dance, you'd be basically watching it'd be like watching
Speaker 1: two hours of the aftermath of a State of Origin matches.
Speaker 1: People jumping in front of the camera just going Queensland.
Speaker 1: I want to That's all it was that people jumping
Speaker 1: in front of the camera. There's mugging in front of it.
Speaker 4: That is exactly That is the perfect description of what
Speaker 4: that energy is. Yeah, I love that it's a dance
Speaker 4: competition and but then within you know, within seconds, just
Speaker 4: chaos exclu that let's get on camera. I mean you
Speaker 4: must have done stuff. You must have done so many
Speaker 4: outside broadcasts where I mean, if you had, you must
Speaker 4: have had experiences of people trying to get on camera.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's a tough gig. And I feel
Speaker 1: so over the weather men who have to go out
Speaker 1: and do it constantly, and the reporters at sporting events
Speaker 1: because you're concentrating on what you need to do, and
Speaker 1: you know, and whenever I've done it, I've done it.
Speaker 1: You know where if there's things go wrong, that's great.
Speaker 1: You know, we play with it and we handle, but
Speaker 1: there is that fear of the back. You kind of
Speaker 1: go Jesus a loose unit over there. I just keep
Speaker 1: an eye on keep an eye on that guy because
Speaker 1: he is gonna you know, there's a famous there's a
Speaker 1: famous A few years ago, a sports reporter was outside
Speaker 1: of the Collingwood headquarters and he he was making a
Speaker 1: report about Collingwood and in the in the Julian the
Speaker 1: stupids name was and in the background, these two blokes
Speaker 1: come and they've got this like trophy and they're like
Speaker 1: at the back of him, they're going yeah, and he's
Speaker 1: like this get away. You know, he caused im idiots.
Speaker 1: Turns out it was Paddy Mills and Aaron Baines who
Speaker 1: had just come back after winning the NBA Championship with
Speaker 1: the San Antonios. First they're in town for a couple
Speaker 1: of days. The actually had Larry the NBA Championship trophy
Speaker 1: with them. That was the trophy they had.
Speaker 4: Oh man, oh gosh, that's great. That just makes me
Speaker 4: think now of the the classic. It's a radio thing
Speaker 4: of the guy running a running a quiz and just
Speaker 4: everyone just calling in and giving the answer. India you know, yes, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's it does. Never opened anything up to the public
Speaker 4: is basically what I'm saying. They can't be trusted.
Speaker 1: The drive in is, uh, what do you think of
Speaker 1: the controversial move of Danny and CHARCHI are actually winning?
Speaker 1: I mean, can you swap partners halfway through a dance content.
Speaker 4: So I don't think you can at all. I didn't
Speaker 4: care for that one bit. I mean, yeah, I think
Speaker 4: that's no, that's appalling. I think they should have been
Speaker 4: disqualified and you know, give it, you give it to
Speaker 4: Eugene and where he ended up with no, that was
Speaker 4: that left a very very sour taste in my mouth,
Speaker 4: that whole thing. And I just think Charcher behaved, you know,
Speaker 4: she was bang out of order. And I think I
Speaker 4: think Danny was in a tough position, you know, I
Speaker 4: think he panicked. I think he panicked.
Speaker 1: He makes up for it at the driving though, when
Speaker 1: he gives a Sandy the ring and the go steady
Speaker 1: with him. It goes pear shape pretty quickly when he
Speaker 1: goes to grab a test.
Speaker 4: And he was doing so well. But the yeah, but
Speaker 4: there is some again, there's a great comic comedic performance
Speaker 4: there from Travolta, just off the back of Sandy saying,
Speaker 4: you know, you know, and I can really tell that
Speaker 4: you respect geez.
Speaker 1: It is such a funny look. It's like, is that
Speaker 1: what this is all about?
Speaker 4: He's not a line which I should have written down,
Speaker 4: but it made me laugh. When she storms off, he
Speaker 4: says something like along the lines of you can't walk
Speaker 4: out of a drive in something like that. I've never
Speaker 4: been to a drive in. I don't know where they are,
Speaker 4: is that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: To one?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I went to one when I was younger. In fact,
Speaker 1: I think I saw Xana do at the driving. Funnily enough,
Speaker 1: there is one down at the Peninsula hearing the Victorian
Speaker 1: in Mornington, and there's also one recently closer away leaving Coburg,
Speaker 1: the KOBG Driving, which has kind of had a bit
Speaker 1: of a little bit of a renaissance recently.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Right now. The only experience I've had of a drive
Speaker 4: in was I was I went to see slum Dog
Speaker 4: Millionaire at a dandy cinema in Sydney, and there was
Speaker 4: there was the two women behind me talking the entire
Speaker 4: time like they were playing. It was like they were
Speaker 4: playing Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? At home? It's
Speaker 4: sort of like, you know, oh, is it is it
Speaker 4: Michael Slater or is it oh, which is it A
Speaker 4: or B or? And I just eventually and I'm a
Speaker 4: non confrontational person, and I was interesting, just.
Speaker 6: Like and like, if you don't want people talking during
Speaker 6: a movie, you should go to a drive in like, no,
Speaker 6: you should go to a drive in.
Speaker 4: That's what the so you can talk. They're wrong.
Speaker 1: So this was an out loud conversation that was happening
Speaker 1: out loud.
Speaker 4: I mean, people are so rude. Again, you can't trust
Speaker 4: the general.
Speaker 1: Problem you really, you really can't. That one great line
Speaker 1: I caught at the in that driving sequence was when
Speaker 1: Rizzo tells Marty that she's pregnant, which I never got
Speaker 1: as a kid. But because I feel like a defective typewriter,
Speaker 1: I skipped the period.
Speaker 4: I actually don't think I even got it until you
Speaker 4: just said it. Now. I think I just sort of
Speaker 4: once she said defective typewriter, I think I tuned out
Speaker 4: because it already sounded like such a strange analogy. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't need to hear the rest of it, right, Okay,
Speaker 4: I get you. Yeah, By the way that sequence of her,
Speaker 4: you know, saying telling her and then I just I
Speaker 4: love the way that that's done off the word of
Speaker 4: mouth spreading, and that it's already got to Kiniki by
Speaker 4: the time that she gets the cards. That's really well done.
Speaker 4: To feel like a defective typewriter, I skipped a period.
Speaker 1: Think good for you.
Speaker 9: No, you don't know the guy.
Speaker 10: Hey, whizz, look look Lis, it's okay, I'm going to
Speaker 10: trying to go to ask him.
Speaker 1: I'm i hook at the advance.
Speaker 4: Okay, Marty, you ain't gonna tell nobody about this, right?
Speaker 1: Oh sure, Look I'll take it to the grave.
Speaker 10: Okay, coming through, coming through, Come on, lady with the baby.
Speaker 2: So, who's got a bun in the oven.
Speaker 4: Up here? Knocked up?
Speaker 5: You do?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Boy, got no really travels fast.
Speaker 1: It's really it's so well directed. This I never maybe
Speaker 1: appreciated it growing up, but watching it again last night, it's,
Speaker 1: like you said, it doesn't feel like it's it's you know,
Speaker 1: so like down to the nth degree that the choreography,
Speaker 1: it's it's a bit clums it's a bit messy at times,
Speaker 1: but just it just works. They've kind of kept that
Speaker 1: reasonably simple. But keeping I imagine shooting a musical and
Speaker 1: trying to keep it simple is harder than it seems.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, like I think film musicals, I think
Speaker 4: they're really hard to pull off. I think there are
Speaker 4: more bad film musicals than good ones, and so it's
Speaker 4: actually quite a miracle whenever they actually do do work.
Speaker 1: Let's get let's get to the Carnival. At the end
Speaker 1: of this fantastic movie, it's the end of the year.
Speaker 1: They've broken up. It's weird that this has gone over
Speaker 1: like I imagine gone over a semester or a year,
Speaker 1: because it's the end of the the school year. I
Speaker 1: never really had a concept of how much time had
Speaker 1: gone had gone, but I don't think it really matters.
Speaker 1: But the Carnival is great. We see bad Sandy has
Speaker 1: come to play, and apparently Oliving Newton John had to
Speaker 1: be sewn into those and into those pants, and her
Speaker 1: big fear on the day was that she would need
Speaker 1: to do a wee and she basically once she was
Speaker 1: in it was hard to get her out.
Speaker 4: This is true. It's sort of like a precursor to
Speaker 4: Michelle five has costume in Batman Returns. In that way,
Speaker 4: I think she is similarly kind of had to be
Speaker 4: stitched into that. Yeah, it's funny because coming into the film,
Speaker 4: where again I'm like, I was conscious of some of
Speaker 4: the debates around the film before I had seen it.
Speaker 4: One of the big arguments you'd always hear is that
Speaker 4: Greece sends a bad message to girls, which is that
Speaker 4: they need to change to get a man. But but
Speaker 4: when I didn't realize that I saw the film, is
Speaker 4: that you can see that Travolta is clearly Danny Zuko
Speaker 4: is clearly attempted to do the same thing. Maybe hasn't
Speaker 4: gone to the extent that she has in terms of complete,
Speaker 4: uh you know, persona transformation, but he's clearly making an
Speaker 4: effort to be what he thinks she wants. Yeah, so
Speaker 4: I so I just discarbed that theory.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're talking about.
Speaker 4: I don't know. Yeah, having only just seen it, I
Speaker 4: can definitively say that's wrong.
Speaker 1: But it's it's a joyous ending to the film. I
Speaker 1: find both the You're the one that I want and
Speaker 1: then the final song bab I can ever do those
Speaker 1: quick noises that they could and they could be should
Speaker 1: be congratulated for it.
Speaker 4: You're not. You've never done scattered. That's not something.
Speaker 1: Not a scat guy in any in any possible way.
Speaker 4: Just immediately, yes, right, okay.
Speaker 1: So's not he must have been to the other scat.
Speaker 4: Yeah, speaking of Olivia and John, you know, possibly peeing
Speaker 4: in her own outfits, that.
Speaker 1: Was a second fear obvious. Apparently that was all that
Speaker 1: was a real kind of carnival, a setup carnival and
Speaker 1: that kind of playground that they kind of go through
Speaker 1: just Danny and Sandy we mentioned before that was kind
Speaker 1: of this there. They didn't have to build that. They
Speaker 1: just kind of took what it was and and yeah
Speaker 1: and kind of like almost did it with that choreography.
Speaker 1: They kind of just worked out a rough kind of
Speaker 1: you know, thing that would happen, and they had to
Speaker 1: go back later and get close ups because they didn't
Speaker 1: get the close ups they were running out of time.
Speaker 1: You never think of these movies when you see them
Speaker 1: as like, oh, yeah, you have the schedule to keep
Speaker 1: and you know you had Daylight that was you know, fading,
Speaker 1: and yeah.
Speaker 4: I'd like to imagine that they still had a line
Speaker 4: item on the accounts where they said they had to
Speaker 4: go to they had to go to the studio and go, yeah,
Speaker 4: we had to build that whole carnival. So that's where
Speaker 4: that money when going to other stuff. It was like
Speaker 4: definitely that. Yeah, it's sort of funny to think also
Speaker 4: as well of like like a major Hollywood production as
Speaker 4: still needing to be kind of like hey, can we
Speaker 4: use your you know, can we use your stuff? But
Speaker 4: if we use this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we should before we before we wrap up, we
Speaker 1: should talk about a living JOHNA. We've given John Dravold
Speaker 1: a lot of props. You know, I think TREVOLDA makes
Speaker 1: this movie. I think a living Newton John the role doesn't.
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe doesn't ask her as much. It's
Speaker 1: been making mild you know, for a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of the movie. She's had her best when she's
Speaker 1: singing and performing. This's no doubt about it.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, no, she's she's lovely and she does Yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't I don't know. I think she Yeah, I
Speaker 4: think she does what needs to be done, But I
Speaker 4: don't think that. Yeah, I don't think she's given a
Speaker 4: role with which she really had a chance to show
Speaker 4: much more. But I think, you know, you could argue
Speaker 4: that that final scene, you know that that's a real transformation,
Speaker 4: and she does pull that off. So yeah, but she's
Speaker 4: perfectly lovely, and I'm guessing in the stage show she's not.
Speaker 4: I'm guessing the Australian ness with something where that's something
Speaker 4: where I wonder whether it was like, so, can you
Speaker 4: do an American accent? No? Not really, Okay, I guess
Speaker 4: the character's Australian.
Speaker 1: Now well in the theater production it was she was Polish.
Speaker 1: Well at least it might have been American Polish, but
Speaker 1: Mate had a Polish surname so that they did change
Speaker 1: up for a living Newton John Quick a quick shout
Speaker 1: out of the rizzo before we wrap up Rizzo. I
Speaker 1: hadn't really noticed before walks walking out of a bathroom
Speaker 1: licking an ice cream is a boss move. That is
Speaker 1: in the diner. She walks out halfway through an ice
Speaker 1: cream and looking at walks out of the ladies. Talk well,
Speaker 1: well played, well played. If I see my wife doing that,
Speaker 1: I'll have a differentpea. But I'm happy for Starckard Channing
Speaker 1: to do that in Greece.
Speaker 4: The joy of watching a film a dozen times.
Speaker 1: But Mate, thank you so much. I know this is
Speaker 1: a podcast that comes with homework.
Speaker 4: No, but I think you're doing I think you're doing
Speaker 4: your guests as service because it's like this, These are
Speaker 4: these weird things because it's such a true I think
Speaker 4: everyone has got that film, that everyone has seen it.
Speaker 4: For whatever reason, it just hasn't come up. And I
Speaker 4: think I actually really appreciated having a reason because I
Speaker 4: just probably would have gone to my grave, never having
Speaker 4: again heard or at least never having heard the original.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has been. It has been. The lovely thing
Speaker 1: in the podcast one that the response I'm getting from
Speaker 1: guests who are happy to come on and watch particular movies,
Speaker 1: but also when I'm saying, you know, like oh, I'm
Speaker 1: doing you know, I'm talking about Greece in the morning,
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, who hasn't seen Greece? And I'm
Speaker 1: like my comforts and they're like, my Comfyes, hasn't seen Grace?
Speaker 1: You know, like the action that from other people about
Speaker 1: people my guests who haven't seen certain films, like wow,
Speaker 1: does the seem star Wars?
Speaker 4: What? It's funny that because like it's something that always
Speaker 4: you always bubbed me the wrong way when you'd had
Speaker 4: that conversation because I wased to work in the video
Speaker 4: store and you haven't seen Grief.
Speaker 6: I'm like, yeah, I've seen a thousand things I've seen
Speaker 6: that you haven't seen. You haven't seen Waking then the Vine,
Speaker 6: you haven't seen mister Holland's Opus.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe we don't.
Speaker 4: Work then, By the way, in my top five.
Speaker 1: It is a nice Irish film that one. Thank you mate,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. It has been out of joy
Speaker 1: and uh and anything. So anything we want to we
Speaker 1: want to plug right now.
Speaker 9: I mean, you know how it is rocking and rolling
Speaker 9: and whatnot.
Speaker 4: Look all the all the stuff I did for seven
Speaker 4: point thirty and sketches all go up on Twitter at
Speaker 4: twitter dot com Mark Humphreys. So that's that's where the
Speaker 4: good stuff is.
Speaker 1: Like I mentioned at the start, you are putting out
Speaker 1: some such amazing content and some hilarious stuff. I've been
Speaker 1: doing it for years and even recently your twenty twenty
Speaker 1: Everything must go. It was brilliant, labeled a genius by
Speaker 1: my good friend Lisa Wilkinson.
Speaker 8: Yes, that is all you need to know. So thank
Speaker 8: you genius, Thank you, Thank you so much, Pete.
Speaker 4: This really was a joy.
Speaker 1: So when I say her, I mean Mark Humphreys. We
Speaker 1: will still be friends. That was an absolute delight. I'm
Speaker 1: such a fan of Mark's work. Do follow him on Twitter.
Speaker 1: The content that he's putting out is so great and
Speaker 1: you laugh your socks and jocks and all of your
Speaker 1: clothes off, if that is at all possible. When I
Speaker 1: asked him to do it, he mentioned, he goes, it's
Speaker 1: really weird. I'm a big musical fan, and I've never
Speaker 1: seen Greece, which he just made him the perfect person
Speaker 1: to cover that classic, the most popular musical of all time.
Speaker 1: Thank you Mark for doing that. Thank you to Derek
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Speaker 1: on the show, my great mate Dave Hughesy Hughes has
Speaker 1: never seen the John Hughes classic from nineteen eighty six,
Speaker 1: Pretty in Pink. How will Hughesy go? Will he will
Speaker 1: he favored Ducky? Will he go with Blaine or even staff?
Speaker 1: Find out next week and you ain't seen nothing yet
Speaker 1: until then bye, and so we leave old Pete see
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Speaker 1: we've been a pleasant good name.