1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Already and this is this is the Dailias, This is 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: the daili OS. Oh, now it makes sense. 3 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Wednesday, the 4 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 2: nineteenth of June. I'm Sam, I'm Billy. This week Australia 5 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 2: played host to the premiere of China Li Juang, the 6 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 2: second most powerful politician in China after President Jijing Ping. 7 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 2: It's the first such visit since twenty seventeen. He's been 8 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 2: shown around the country by Prime Minister An from the Albanzi, 9 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 2: visiting Canberra, Adelaide and Perth on the back of Albanese's 10 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 2: visit to Beijing in November last year, the first PM 11 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 2: to do so since twenty sixteen. A renewed and revitalized 12 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 2: relationship between Australia and China is being celebrated by both parties. 13 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: But our things really as good as they seem. What 14 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 2: happens if we dig below the surface. On today's podcast, 15 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 2: we'll look at the modern history of this turbulent relationship, 16 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 2: what this trip has changed, and the role of pandas 17 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: the first Billy. What is making headlines this morning? 18 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: The Reserve Bank has left the cash rate unchanged at 19 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: four point three five percent for the fifth consecutive time. 20 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: Often referred to as interest rates, this figure influences the 21 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: cost of borrowing across the economy. While rates were left 22 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: on hold, the RBA did say that Australia's economic outlook 23 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: remains uncertain and that it would do quote what is 24 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: necessary to return inflation to within its target range of 25 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: two to three percent. 26 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: The trial of a former police officer accused of murdering 27 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 2: Sydney couple Jessebaird and Luke Davies in February has been 28 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 2: delayed by eight weeks. It comes after prosecutors requested more 29 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 2: time to prepare their arguments. Police will allege a twenty 30 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 2: eight year old man exhibited months of quote predatory behavior 31 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: before allegedly killing Bed and Davies. The accused man has 32 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,919 Speaker 2: yet to enter a plea, but his lawyer told media 33 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 2: outside the court that the ex police officer would be 34 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 2: taking civil action against New South Wales. 35 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: South Korea has fired a round of warning shots after 36 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: North Korean soldiers cross the border for the second time 37 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,399 Speaker 1: this month. It comes amid growing tension between the two 38 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: nations after South Korea announced it would suspend a military 39 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: deal with the North earlier this month. It's estimated up 40 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: to thirty North Korean soldiers cross the border between the 41 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: two countries yesterday morning, prompting South Korean forces to fire shots. 42 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 2: And today's good news, I've got an incredible medical discovery 43 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 2: for you Today. Australian researchers have developed a new face 44 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 2: screening tool designed to detect signs of a stroke using 45 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 2: AI and facial recognition technology and i MIT University team 46 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 2: of biomedical engineers created a smartphone tool that can detect 47 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 2: if a person has had a stroke within seconds. It's 48 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: hopes the tool will be used by frontline healthcare workers 49 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 2: to help them detect stroke efficiently and effectively. 50 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: So Sam China's premier Lijiang has just finished his trip 51 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: to Australia, and like you said in the intro, it 52 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:06,239 Speaker 1: is the first visit of a Chinese premiere since twenty seventeen, 53 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: and it's been quite the event. We've had pandered, big leagues, 54 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: we've had many long lunches that have been televised and 55 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: big speeches. 56 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 2: Some nineteen guns salutes, yes. 57 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: And there's been a lot of commentary around the broader 58 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: context of this effort to repair the relationship between Australia 59 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: and China. Can we just start by you explaining why 60 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: is it so damaged? 61 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 2: Well, the relationship between Australia and China has had its 62 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 2: ups and downs over the past few decades, and I'm 63 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: going to use that phrase quite a lot because it 64 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 2: has come up a lot this week. We're going to 65 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 2: pick things up in the early two thousands, and that's 66 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 2: when trade between the two countries really flourished and China 67 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 2: quickly became Australia's largest and most important trading partner. It 68 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 2: was particularly important in the trade of Australia's mining exports, 69 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: so things like coal and steel. And when you have 70 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 2: two countries that are benefiting so much economically from each other, 71 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 2: it can often bring with it a sense of stability 72 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 2: and mutual benefit. I mean, both countries wouldn't really want 73 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 2: that situation to end because there's so much economic benefits. 74 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 2: So China and Australia largely for the early two thousands 75 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 2: left each other alone. 76 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: And just before we go back to that timeline, money 77 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: and trade are clearly major themes here. Can you just 78 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: give me a sense of financially economically, how much are 79 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: we talking? 80 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 2: I cannot explain enough how important China is to Australia's economy. 81 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 2: So right now, China buys a third of Australia's exports 82 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 2: and supplies a quarter of Australia's imports. So no matter 83 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 2: which way you look at it, this is a vital relationship. 84 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 2: Trade between Australia and China reached three hundred and twenty 85 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 2: seven billion dollars last year and it's now fifteen years 86 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 2: in a row of China as Australia's largest trading partner, 87 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 2: export market and source of import goods. 88 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: Three hundred and twenty seven billion dollars. It's a hard 89 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: one billion to even understand how much that is. We 90 00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: really need China economically tld, we really need China ponomically. 91 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: But things did start to change around twenty eighteen twenty nineteen, 92 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: didn't they. 93 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's quite hard to pinpoint the exact moment 94 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: where the relationship started to get a bit frosty. As 95 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 2: I was researching for this topic, I was thinking about 96 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 2: personal relationships and how when a relationship breaks down, it 97 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 2: is often hard to pinpoint the exact moment where things 98 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 2: turn the other way. 99 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: That's amazing Comparing China's relationship with Australia with your past relationship. 100 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, geopolitical relationships and personal relationships kind of the. 101 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: Same, many comparisons, so there were a. 102 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 2: Mix of factors in the breakdown of the relationship. One 103 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 2: of the major points of contention was Australia's rejection of 104 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 2: an application submitted by Huawei, which is a Chinese phone 105 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 2: network and Huawei wanted to participate in the five G 106 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 2: network rollout alongside companies like Telster and Optus, but because 107 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 2: of Australia's government's concerns that it was a national security 108 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 2: risk to have a Chinese company embedded in a key 109 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 2: piece of national infrastructure, that application was knocked back. And 110 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 2: China really saw this move as Australia's alignment more with 111 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 2: the US, and the US have traditionally had a stance 112 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 2: on limiting Chinese tech influence, and I think we're really 113 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 2: seeing that play out at the moment with TikTok. There 114 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 2: are a few other things too in those kind of 115 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 2: pre pandemic years. So in twenty nineteen, then Prime Minister 116 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 2: Scott Morrison questions China's developing country status. 117 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: That's a really interesting thing that China still considers itself 118 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: a developing country and like you just said. Scott Morrison 119 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: actually questioned that in twenty nineteen. 120 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that definitely did ruffle some feathers in China. 121 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 2: But things really escalated in twenty twenty at the beginning 122 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 2: of the pandemic, when all of our lives really changed forever. 123 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: So we're there the big P word, the pandemic, and 124 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: tensions with Australia really escalated when Australia called for an 125 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: independent investigation into the origins of COVID, right. 126 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, So if you go back to the really early 127 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 2: stages of the pandemic, so I think kind of February 128 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 2: March April twenty twenty, Scott Morrison came out relatively early, 129 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 2: I mean think earlier than most other world leaders and 130 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 2: requested an independent investigation into where COVID came from in 131 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 2: the town of Wuhan. And as a response to that, 132 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 2: China put a number of sanctions on Australian goods. The 133 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 2: big ones were wine, bali, coal and beef. And this 134 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 2: is a really strong show of disapproval of Australia's push 135 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 2: for an investigation. 136 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: And when you say trade sanction, what do you mean. 137 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 2: It's basically just a restriction on a particular good as 138 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 2: part of an Australian trade relationship. So it can be 139 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 2: applied to sometimes a company or a person. Mostly it's 140 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 2: applied to a group of goods, so kind of like 141 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 2: wine and. 142 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: So kind of like a financial penalty. 143 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that can really put a strain on a friendship, 144 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 2: especially when that friendship between two countries is based on trade. 145 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 2: And that's when the full relationship between China and Australia 146 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 2: was getting called into question because these sanctions had a 147 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 2: really significant impact on Australian exporters. And so you can 148 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 2: imagine take the wine industry for example. They're pressuring local 149 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 2: politicians and people in federal Parliament here in Australia to 150 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 2: be stronger on China in order to benefit from their trade, 151 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 2: and that can put Australian politicians in a difficult situation. Now, 152 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 2: I do want to just kind of give a caveat 153 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 2: to this point of time that we didn't really know 154 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 2: what was going to happen. In those early stages of 155 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 2: twenty twenty, we didn't know if this was going to 156 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 2: be the biggest moment of the century. I mean, it 157 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 2: was a major moment in history, but there was so 158 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 2: much uncertainty that when those sanctions were handed down, the 159 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 2: Australian stock market really did take a hit. So it 160 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 2: was very damaging to the Australian economy. 161 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: And so in the years after the pandemic, those tensions 162 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: only continued to worsen. 163 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, And as I said before, there's no one 164 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 2: reason still as to why it kept getting worse. But 165 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 2: I will go through a few that have had a 166 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 2: really significant impact on the tense relations in the past 167 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 2: few years. So in August twenty twenty, we had the 168 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 2: arrest of Australian Chinese journalist Cheng Li. She spent three 169 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 2: years in China in prison for spying charges. She always 170 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 2: denied them. 171 00:08:57,920 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: And she's back in Australia now. 172 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 2: She's back in Australia, was at some press conferences with 173 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 2: the Chinese premier this week, and then a couple of 174 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 2: months later, a senior Chinese diplomat used an address at 175 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 2: the National Press Club in Canberra to reinforce what he 176 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 2: described as China's hurt feelings over the COVID inquiry. And 177 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 2: that was the exact phrase he used there. And there's 178 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 2: been multiple ups and downs in the introduction and removal 179 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 2: of trade tariffs in response to varying accusations or changes 180 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 2: the travel restrictions between Australia and China. Now, one of 181 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 2: the things that's really been brought up a lot this 182 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 2: week with the Chinese premier in the country is the 183 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 2: imprisoned Chinese Australian businessman Young Hung Dun, who has been 184 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 2: given a suspended death sentence by a Chinese court after 185 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 2: being arrested for spying. Hungdrun was a blogger who wrote 186 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 2: a lot about Chinese politics. He denies ever being a spy, 187 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 2: and Australia is currently in the process of trying to 188 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 2: bring Young Hung Drun home. Now to zoom out and 189 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 2: not just talk about the Australia China relationship, but the 190 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 2: whole world geopolitically, the landscape is really shifting. So the 191 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 2: the US China rivalry is intensifying, China is forming stronger 192 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 2: bonds with Russia, and Australia finds itself in a really 193 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 2: delicate position. So we need to strengthen tize with China. 194 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 2: I mean, we've talked about the economics, but also we 195 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 2: share a region with them, but we also need to 196 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 2: maintain an alliance with the US, and that's proving to 197 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 2: be a real balancing act for Australia. And one of 198 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 2: the real points of tension for this has been China's 199 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 2: actions in the South China Sea. Now, China believes that 200 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 2: sea is its territory, but other parties dispute that. Now, 201 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 2: on top of all of this, there's allegations of human 202 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 2: rights violations by China against various ethnic minorities. There's some 203 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 2: distress the way China restricts freedom of expression, including free speech, 204 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 2: the way it's alleged to have infiltrated multiple Western governments 205 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 2: via its intelligence and spying programs, tensions in Hong Kong, 206 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 2: tensions in Taiwan. There is really quite a bit there. 207 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: There are a lot of allegations against China when it 208 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: comes to human rights violations. And I just want to 209 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: be clear that you know, we try to keep this 210 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: podcast to ten minutes fail, yes, but by you just 211 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: moving quickly through those issues, we absolutely don't mean to 212 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: diminish just how significant each. 213 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 2: One of those could do its own podcast. 214 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: Yes, but let's fast forward to today. We're seeing these 215 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: high level visits between Australia and China's leaders. Albanesi visited 216 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: Beijing last November, and now we have China's second most 217 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: powerful politician here in Australia, though he has now left. 218 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: But what has changed, Well. 219 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 2: To go back to my personal relationship metaphor, if there 220 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 2: was some dramas in the relationship, now's the rebuild phase. 221 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 2: So we're dating again and we're trying to rebuild the 222 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 2: trust that has been lost. So during Albanesi's visit to 223 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 2: Beijing in November last year, their language shifted, and it 224 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 2: shifted towards an emphasis on the importance of dialogue and 225 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 2: of managing differences constructively. 226 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: When I interviewed Foreign Minister Penny Wong last year, who 227 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: has worked a lot on this relationship with China, I 228 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: remember she used this line quote we cooperate where we can, 229 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: disagree where we must, and we have to engage in 230 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: our national interests. 231 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 2: And that sentiment has continued this week with the Chinese 232 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 2: premiere in town. It's been really interesting actually from a 233 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 2: language perspective, to notice how common those types of phrases 234 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 2: have been. I mean, we're talking ups and downs, twists 235 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 2: and turns, but regardless of the kind of good and 236 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 2: the bad, there's still an underlying friendship. That's what they 237 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 2: describe the relationship as that the leaders say can survive 238 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 2: through tough times. 239 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: And so this week we've seen this political rhetoric of 240 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: quote a renewed and revitalized relationship, But what have the 241 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: actual announcements been. 242 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was tough to find a bit of policy 243 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 2: amongst all of the kind of courting and the fanfare 244 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 2: that came with a big diplomatic visit. But the cornerstone 245 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 2: of this trip has really been the annual leaders meeting, 246 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 2: and this is a meeting that happens annually and it 247 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 2: happened in a camera this time, and the country's signed 248 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 2: a number of bilateral agreements. Now bilateral agreement is one 249 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 2: between just two nations as opposed to a multilateral which 250 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 2: has many nations involved. Now, one of the key agreements 251 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 2: has been the opening of Chinese markets to Australian goods, 252 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 2: so that we're bringing in the economy again. And the 253 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 2: markets to have been particularly impacted with this agreement is 254 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 2: wine and bali. Now it actually happened a couple of 255 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 2: weeks ago, it's been kind of symbolically marked with the 256 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 2: two leaders in town and it's a really big win 257 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 2: for Australian wine exporters. Out of press conference last week, 258 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,599 Speaker 2: the Federal Minister for Trade Don Farrell said Australian winemakers 259 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 2: had sold eighty six million dollars worth of wine to 260 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 2: China just since the tariffs lifted, and most of that 261 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 2: was from South Australian winemakers. Now, apart from direct trade 262 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:37,119 Speaker 2: and tariffs, there's also been big discussions about enhancing cooperation 263 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 2: in education, in tourism, and in climate change. And one 264 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 2: of the key things has been around Chinese students and 265 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 2: they're once again being encouraged to study in Australia, so 266 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 2: that really dropped off during the pandemic and that would 267 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 2: be a major boost to the education sector here in Australia. 268 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 2: Education is our largest services export to China and China 269 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 2: is our largest source country of international students and it 270 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 2: has been every year since two thousand and two. So 271 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 2: universities and higher education institutions are going to be pretty 272 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 2: happy hearing that an agreement has been reached. 273 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: And there's also been some more symbolic gestures as well, 274 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: like the loan of two giant pandas to Adelaide Zoo. 275 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 2: Right, yeah, it's a funny one, you know. If I 276 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 2: wanted to date you, I would maybe, Sam bring, I'd 277 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 2: maybe bring you flowers And in diplomatic circles the peace offering, 278 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 2: there was two massive pandas called Wang Wang and Funi 279 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: and they've been here for ten years at Adelaide Zoo. 280 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 2: They're going to head back to China imminently. But the 281 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 2: big announcement this week was that two new pandas are 282 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 2: going to head to Adelaide by the end of the year. 283 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 2: That makes Adelaide the only pace in the Southern Hemisphere 284 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 2: to host giant pandas. Now, I know I'm saying this jovially, 285 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 2: but the role of pandas in Chinese diplomacy is actually 286 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 2: super interesting. It's not the first time that these kind 287 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 2: of furry ambassadors have been used by China to build 288 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 2: relationships with countries all over the world. In fact, there's 289 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 2: evidence of pandas being sent as diplomatic gifts by China 290 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 2: as far back as the Tang dynasty in six hundred AD. 291 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, okay, Sam, let's wrap this up. The title 292 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: of today's podcast is our Australia and China Friends Again. 293 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: What is the TLDR. 294 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 2: Well, it's really complicated. There is no TLDR to that 295 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 2: sort of question. You could write a PhD on it. 296 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 2: But a lot of opinion columnists that have been reading 297 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 2: this week from media outlets across the political spectrum have 298 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 2: run some really stark headlines over the past few days. 299 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 2: I read one from The Australian that said, or warm 300 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 2: on the surface with little trust below, and one from 301 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 2: the Heralds that said Beijing is not on our side. 302 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 2: Let's not fall for a pair of therapy pandas. So 303 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 2: there is some really healthy skepticism. I think the way 304 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 2: that this relationship has changed in the last six months 305 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 2: is that we aren't necessarily closer as countries in terms 306 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 2: of what we agree on and what we disagree on. 307 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 2: But I think where we are closer is the way 308 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 2: that we communicate and I think that is something that 309 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 2: the two governments have improved undoubtedly over the past six months. 310 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 2: There is some to be said about the role of 311 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 2: pandas as well makes things a little more bearable. 312 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: All right, I'm going to wrap it up that bear ah, 313 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: I do understand that now, but I'm going to wrap 314 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: it up by saying the TLDR is that China and 315 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: Australia's relationship is on the road to recovery, but I 316 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: think your relationship with your ex's is not doing so well. 317 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: They should have tried the pandit should. 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