1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: Get a. 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 2: I'm Laala Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter, and professional overshaer. 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 2: This podcast is all about celebrating failure because I believe 4 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 2: it's a chance for us to learn, grow and face 5 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 2: our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview a different guest 6 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 2: about their highs as well as they're lows, all in 7 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 2: a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. 8 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 3: Rhydo gangles. 9 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 2: This has happened, I think the third time now I've 10 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 2: had a cancelation, which means no pod for you tomorrow. 11 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,919 Speaker 2: The guest was meant to be recorded yesterday and they 12 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 2: canceled last minute, which you know totally happens, but I 13 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 2: as a result, I wanted you to not miss out 14 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 2: on a Monday episode, so I've gone. I've craped through 15 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: all the four hundred episodes we've ever released. 16 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: And I've picked a favor out for you. 17 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 2: It is the incredible actor and activist Zoey Taracus. Zoey 18 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: Tarracus completely moved me. I actually got quite choked up 19 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 2: and a bit emotional. 20 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 3: I don't know if zoe. 21 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,279 Speaker 2: Knew that, but I was like feeling all the feels 22 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 2: when I was talking to them. The other cool thing 23 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 2: about Zoe is they have a movie out right now 24 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 2: called Talk to Me. It looks like all kinds of scary, 25 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 2: and I've seen on Zoe's Insta they had these like 26 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 2: contact lenses in that make the eye like all the 27 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 2: wider that I almost look entirely black, like almost like 28 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:36,559 Speaker 2: bug eyes. 29 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: So scary. But I have friends in LA. 30 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,119 Speaker 2: Because I think Talk to Me, which is a horror 31 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: was shot in Australia and the cast is Australian, I think. 32 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 2: So I've had friends come out to me going, oh, 33 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 2: you're friends with anyone from Talk to Me, And I'm like, actually, yes, 34 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 2: I am the incredible Zoey Tarracus I am friends with. 35 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: So I hope you love this chat. 36 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 2: Zoe really blew me awayautiful human being, beautiful hard and Zoe, 37 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 2: thank you for letting me share this pod with the world, 38 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: not once, but now twice. You are wonderful, Okay, Zoe Tarracus. 39 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 2: I've got to say, of all the podcasts I'm doing 40 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 2: in this trip, I'm the most nervous to interview youth 41 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,959 Speaker 2: because I've become such a fan, not just from your 42 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 2: work but for everything that you stand for. So I 43 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 2: know you're an actor you're an activist. Can you, like 44 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: I've seen you do so many interviews where you just interview, 45 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 2: where you introduce yourself your pronoun Can we start there? 46 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 4: Yes we can. Hello everyone. My name is Zoe Tarracus. 47 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 4: I am an actor and do a bit of activism stuff. 48 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 4: My pronouns are they them? I'm trans non binary and 49 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 4: I'm also an aries as it says on my. 50 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: I knew that's about you, my love. You're an area 51 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: they have fire sign. 52 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 53 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: I'm a virgo, so super earthy and a bit o 54 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: c D. 55 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:10,679 Speaker 3: Yeah. 56 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 2: Do you know The first time I learned about you 57 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 2: is from one of my drama teachers. 58 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 3: Demand the Myth the Legend. 59 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: Do you know what he had to say about you? 60 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: So he was taught. 61 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: He said, listen, actors are usually a lazy mob. And 62 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: he's like, there's this one actor though, that is so driven, 63 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 2: so tenacious and always kind of like on the go 64 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: and like working towards something. He was talking about you, 65 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: And I've heard you speak about him, and you've described 66 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 2: Ian as like pure magic pretty much. 67 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you got to work with him. 68 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 2: And this is the other thing I've got table for 69 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 2: a press press record, I go around timeline, so I 70 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 2: know you've got. 71 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: To go with him on view from a bridge? Yes, 72 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: how was that serience? Did you do it three times? 73 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 3: We did it more than three. 74 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 4: We did it the Old Fits, we did it at 75 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 4: Glenn Street, we did it at Melbourne Theater Company, we 76 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 4: did it Ensemble Theater, and we did it at Woollongong Theater. 77 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: Every time. Yeah. 78 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 4: So the cast around me changed and the theater changed, 79 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 4: but me and Ian with it too consistent things. 80 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 1: I'm so jealous you got that much time with it. 81 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 82 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 4: It was like drama school. Like I knew nothing before 83 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 4: I started that job, like nothing. I remember in one 84 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 4: of the first rehearsals in the theater for the. 85 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 3: First time we did it at the FITS, and was like, 86 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 3: so done, can you get on voice? And I was 87 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 3: like what does that mean? And he was like, oh God, 88 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 3: Like I just knew nothing. 89 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 2: That's that's that's what I love about e And he 90 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 2: nurtures and absolutely you wouldn't have felt bad about it. 91 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 4: No, No, he just goes, okay, well, I'll tell you 92 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 4: this is you know what I mean? Like he was 93 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 4: so generous. It was like three years of drama school 94 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 4: in two months or whatever it was. And every time 95 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 4: we did it, I felt like I was doing it 96 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 4: again for the first time. Like I remember when we 97 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 4: got to MTC for the second version of it, and 98 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 4: I was a little bit cocky because no one else 99 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 4: had done it and I was the only one who'd 100 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 4: done the play before, and I was a bit like 101 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 4: and then I was like, oh my god, I don't 102 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 4: know this version of the play. Like the play is 103 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 4: so rich and deep, and Ian is so remarkable that 104 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 4: you have to start from square one again and learn 105 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 4: it and love it all over again. And we found 106 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 4: so much more in it the second time we did it, 107 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 4: and then every time thereafter it was like deeper and 108 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 4: richer and harder. 109 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was amazing. 110 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 2: Didn't Ian pull you up like like I think the 111 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 2: second round or something, and he was like, you don't. 112 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: Have your youth, just just found And I was like, 113 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: oh my god. Yeah, and I love. That's the other 114 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: thing about Ian. Anyone listening. 115 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 2: I've done an interview with Ian and he's just, yeah, incredible. 116 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 2: But I played Maggie from Cat on a Hot Tin 117 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 2: Roof and he worked with Ian on that just in 118 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 2: class scene work, and he was like, sad, you're never 119 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 2: going to meet your twenties again, and. 120 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: I was like, he doesn't hold back. You get that moment. 121 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, you find exactly what Maggie needed, what you needed. 122 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. 123 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's terrifying. 124 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 4: And I think the first time we did it, I 125 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 4: didn't have to do much because I was seventeen. Yeah, 126 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 4: Cathurine seventeen. So I was like, oh, well that comes 127 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 4: for free. And then yeah, that's what Ian said. He 128 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 4: pulled me aside at MTC and he was like, and 129 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 4: I was in the eighteen It was a year later 130 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 4: he was like, so the youth doesn't come for free anymore. 131 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 3: And I was like, what a year? And he was like, 132 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 3: you've aged like, you've wised up, You've aged up. 133 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 4: And so we had to find it another way, which 134 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 4: ended up being so much more interesting because you find 135 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 4: another in to her innocence and her youth, which I 136 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 4: think is a way more interesting way of doing it anyway. 137 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 4: But yeah, it was cold shock. 138 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 3: I love it. 139 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 2: I love I just love the brutal honesty that ends 140 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 2: up being the best gift you could get. So but 141 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 2: before that, it's a few because I'm like, oh, you've 142 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: done so much great theater stuff, but also so much 143 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 2: amazing TV and philm But you had this experience. 144 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: I think you were fourteen. You saw the hanging, so 145 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: you were in the audience. 146 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was fifteen, Yeah. 147 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: Fifteen, and you related so heavily to what was going on. 148 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: So the first kind of like punch in the ducks. 149 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 4: Kind of yeah, yeah, I had I don't really spoken 150 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 4: about this before, but I had a really shocking eating 151 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 4: disorder and really bad anorexia and kind of didn't give 152 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 4: a fuck about anything, you know, except being skinny. And 153 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 4: then saw this play with my godmother and I was 154 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 4: like and then yeah, and then just sat down and 155 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 4: there's a moment in it where Ash Cummings, who played 156 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 4: the lead, talks about, you know, eating disorders in high 157 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 4: school and how they're so glamorized, and I just it 158 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 4: was the first time I'd. 159 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 3: Had that feeling where I was like, I felt like 160 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 3: it how the wind knocked out of me. 161 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 4: I burst into tears and I didn't stopped crying till 162 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 4: the end of the show. And I went up to 163 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 4: the director Sarah after, and I was like, thank you 164 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 4: so much. I was amazing, Like I was just so moomed. 165 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 4: She was probably like, the fuck is this. 166 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:11,559 Speaker 1: This crying, tiny human. 167 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 4: Yeah. And then from then on I was kind of like, 168 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 4: WHOA like that, I got better for starters. So that 169 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 4: has the capacity to change me and make me a 170 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 4: better person and a healthier person and change my life. 171 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 4: I want to do that for people. And then like 172 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 4: a year year and a half later, I was working 173 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 4: with Sarah. 174 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: And then not Opening night. 175 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 4: Opening Night, I told her, Yeah, I hadn't told her 176 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 4: the whole time because I was a little bit you know, 177 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 4: embarrassed or whatever. But I was living with her when 178 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 4: I was doing it, and I still hadn't told her. 179 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 4: And then yeah, opening I wrote her a letter and 180 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 4: I was like, I've never told you this, but this 181 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 4: is what your play did for me, and you changed 182 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 4: my life and you made me want to do this 183 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 4: and now I'm here and it's like this weird full 184 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 4: circle thing. 185 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 2: Art though, like one of my teachers during COVID, I 186 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 2: trained at sixteenth Street, which is Ian, but they got 187 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 2: in some people from America and so Cody Fern came 188 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 2: in and Aussie and he was like, that's the one 189 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 2: thing you can change people's heart. 190 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: It's with like and that feels like you've got that 191 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: experience like he absolutely absolutely nothing. That's the thing. 192 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 3: We turned to art when science. 193 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 4: Fails us, when the world failed, fails us, when medicine 194 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 4: fails us, when people fail us. That's the first place 195 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 4: we got. We go to our favorite song or you know, 196 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 4: like our favorite movie. It's The Cure one hundred percent. 197 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 2: I there's so many ways, like little kind of like journeys. 198 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: We can go on here. 199 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 2: But I want to ask about Janet King because was 200 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 2: that your first that show? Was that your first kind 201 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 2: of like big get, not big get, but do you 202 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: know what I mean? 203 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was my first audition? 204 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, And did you step up the first audition? Yeah? 205 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: I had. 206 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 4: I wasn't even signed with the agent I was with 207 00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 4: at the time yet, and he was like, you know, 208 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 4: just do this one as a practice, like we'll see 209 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 4: how you go, and if you hate it, then that's fine. 210 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:05,719 Speaker 3: We can leave it here and call it a day. 211 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 4: And I was like great, and then I yeah, I 212 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 4: did the audition and I went in there are so nervous. 213 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 3: I don't know what to wear. I didn't know what 214 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 3: to do. 215 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 4: Everyone around me was like nighter graduates, Oh that's intimidating. Yeah, 216 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 4: And I was like this like scrawny, little sixteen year 217 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 4: old had never done this before, And then went in 218 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 4: there forgot all my lines, but stayed in character because 219 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 4: I didn't know what else to do. 220 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 3: So I was just like oh, line and then yeah, 221 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 3: and then was like, well. 222 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: Fuck that. 223 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 4: That's the last time I have a set foot in 224 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 4: the casting room, like see you acting, And then got 225 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 4: a call back. 226 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 3: And I was like what do you what do you mean? 227 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: Doesn't make any sense? 228 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 4: And then in the callback forgot my lines again in 229 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 4: front of the director and the director of Pete Andre 230 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 4: Katies then in there and he said, so do you smoke? 231 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 4: And I was like I've been caught because I did. 232 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 4: But I didn't know if he wanted me to say 233 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 4: yes or to say no. I was like I can 234 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 4: if you want me to, and he was like that's enough, 235 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 4: and I was like fuck that. And then I got it, 236 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 4: and I was as confused as anyone, and I had 237 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 4: no idea what I was doing on that job, like 238 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 4: I looked down the barrel of the camera in every take. 239 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 4: You can probably see it in the final edit, but 240 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 4: everyone on that job was just like so welcoming and 241 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 4: made me feel so at home, and it was so 242 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 4: exciting because it felt like, you know, finally you find 243 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 4: a group of people that speak your language, and like, 244 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 4: you know, Andrea Dimitriati's is still one of my closest friends, 245 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 4: and you make family. 246 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 2: And you play your character's name was Pearl, right, It 247 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 2: felt like a pretty hit from what I saw, like 248 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 2: a pretty heavy kind. 249 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 3: Of Yeah, yeah, a lot for your character. 250 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 2: I was like, man, that's and if that's your first, 251 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 2: like your career of that character. 252 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was pretty hectic, like she she is homeless 253 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 4: and then has to live with this guy who's sexually 254 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 4: assaulting her. And I had also, just like just at 255 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 4: the time, had a really intense experience with stuff like that, 256 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 4: so I was like, fucking he like, and I didn't 257 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 4: know how to separate it yet, and so yeah, it 258 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 4: was a lot. 259 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 3: It was a steep learning curve, but yeah, again, the 260 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 3: people made. 261 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 4: It so worth it and just help me to understand 262 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 4: how to do that shit. And I still don't know. 263 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 4: I'm still terrible at that part of it. 264 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 2: But you know, well, I've heard you speak before, and 265 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 2: I think this is an ean thing, but I've heard 266 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 2: you say you try not to let any roles cost 267 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 2: you too much. Emotionally like you're like play intention go hard, yeah, 268 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 2: as opposed to like method and oh. 269 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I'm not a method at all. 270 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 4: But I also think sometimes they just come home with 271 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 4: you and you can't help her. Like there was some 272 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 4: versions of you from the Bridge where I didn't feel 273 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 4: Catherine come home with me, and then some nights, particularly 274 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 4: in that first one and in Melbourne, where I was 275 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 4: just like fuck, get off me, Like I would have 276 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 4: a shower and be like, go away, You're done, now 277 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 4: you tomorrow, Like fuck off. 278 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: I've heard you say about Catherine. 279 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 2: Your body doesn't like it still feels like anxiety attack. 280 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, you cycle like Zoey psychologically knows. Yeah, I'm acting right. 281 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's miller man. It just gets under your skin. 282 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 4: Like I went it the first time we did it. Afterwards, 283 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 4: all my friends are on schoolies and I was like, 284 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 4: I'm going to go to New York. Went to New 285 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 4: York and I went to the address in the play 286 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 4: and I was like, go home, go home, now you're done. 287 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 4: And then I had to do it again. 288 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: I was like, all right, come back. So cathartic though, yeah, 289 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 1: it was. 290 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 4: I just bore my eyes out because you know, it's 291 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 4: it's a true story of you friend the bridge. It's 292 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 4: a true story piece together from stories to that time. 293 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 4: So I was like, it really sticks to you. And 294 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 4: it was same with Wentworth as well. The some characters 295 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 4: you just can't scrub off. 296 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: I cannot wait to talk to you about it. I 297 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: have been. I think Rare is a mate like and. 298 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 3: The luhyah, he's so cute. 299 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, well then let's before we talk about 300 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 2: went with because I I from what I've heard. 301 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 1: When you came out as non binary was and then 302 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: after that happened, then Wentworth. 303 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 2: Kind of came so yeah, and you described like coming 304 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 2: out his guys one thing and then coming out his 305 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 2: non binary is a whole another. 306 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, share a bit about that. 307 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, it was on I'd been in Europe from 308 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 4: my so I did Doll's House Part two, a Melican 309 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 4: theater company with Sarah and Lata and all my friends 310 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 4: were on gap year and I was like, Okay, well, 311 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 4: I'm just gonna go have gat month. So I like 312 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 4: got the money that I owned on that and I 313 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 4: flew to Europe and I was with my best mate 314 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 4: Sophie most of the time, and I remember this one day, 315 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 4: I was like, bought a new shirt and I was 316 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 4: wearing sports bra under the shirt, and so he was. 317 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 3: Like, why are you wearing nor br And I was like, 318 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 3: I don't know why, you shut up? 319 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then I just it was the first time 320 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 4: I've been like, oh, why that's weird. 321 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 3: Maybe that's not weird, I don't know. 322 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 4: And then I had to fly back from Europe to 323 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 4: the Gold Coast to shoot The End, which is a 324 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 4: new Foxtale series that just came out that I'm in 325 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 4: a couple episodes of and had no money because I'd 326 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 4: spent it all in. 327 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 3: Fucking Italy, that idiot. Yes, it's called BN eighteen. 328 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 4: And then I was in this hotel room for like 329 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 4: a week and a half and I didn't have that 330 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 4: many shoot days, so I had a lot of thinking 331 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 4: time and I was reading She Wants It by Joey Soloway, Yeah, 332 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 4: which is who the creator of Transparent, and it just 333 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 4: described being non binary in the simplest of ways. And 334 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 4: I call it the gender void, which is like the 335 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 4: deep dark place you fall down when you start to 336 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 4: think about gender and once you start, you can't stop. 337 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 4: It's like Pandora's Box and I just fell down it 338 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 4: and I. 339 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 3: Was like, oh my god, like what's happened? 340 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: Oh God? 341 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 4: And like the guy who was I was playing, who's 342 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 4: playing my boyfriend or my kind of this guy kissing 343 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 4: the show was trans and seeing him be so authentically 344 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 4: himself on set and everyone just like see him as 345 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 4: a guy. I was like, this is available to me. 346 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 4: I didn't even know this was available to me. And 347 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 4: then I came home to Sydney and I saw my 348 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 4: friends who were all back from Europe, and I just 349 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 4: said to them like this, this is weird. And we 350 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 4: didn't have any no binary friends. You know, these are 351 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 4: all my school friends. And I was like, can you 352 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 4: just try use day them for me? And I might 353 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 4: hate it and I'll just tell you to shut up. 354 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 4: And we never talked about it, but just try. And 355 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 4: I was like five people and they started doing it 356 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 4: and I was like, fuck, that feels really good, Like 357 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 4: it feels. 358 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: Like hearing your own name. 359 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 360 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 4: And then from then on it kind of just grew 361 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 4: and grew and grew, and you start to sit in 362 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 4: yourself a different way and it's still a journey, like 363 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 4: I still have no idea where this will end, if 364 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 4: it will ever end, I still get confused on the daily. 365 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: But that makes me. 366 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 2: That makes me feel better hearing you say that, because 367 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 2: I was even so I was like, I don't want 368 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 2: to say the wrong thing, but I also want to 369 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 2: show so much respect and I'm going to learn as 370 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 2: much as Yeah. But I was talking to a friend 371 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 2: of mine that's an actor and he is about sixty, 372 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 2: and he was like, oh no, well, when I was 373 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 2: acting in my twenties, I wasn't allowed to come out 374 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 2: as gay, yeah, because I wouldn't get the roles. Yeah, 375 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 2: And I was like crout, like it's just messed up 376 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 2: that that's even a thing. 377 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it still is, you know, like it still is. 378 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 4: I don't get seen for that many straight roles still, 379 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 4: which I'm you know, it's fine. I don't really give 380 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 4: a shit, I'll play anything. But I did notice a shift, 381 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 4: and you know, I was warned. Everyone was like, you know, 382 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 4: it'll change what you get seen for. And I was like, why, 383 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 4: I don't understand what the alternative is because I'm not 384 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 4: going to hide. 385 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: And he'sn't acting about being connected to your truth anyway. 386 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 4: Absolutely, absolutely, and I still have faith that, you know, 387 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 4: I mean nine perfect strangers. 388 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 3: I kind of played sis straight lady, so. 389 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 4: You know, like it's you kind of you Still, eventually 390 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 4: it'll balance out again. I think initially everyone just goes, 391 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 4: oh great, like a transperson, here's all the trans things. 392 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: Ever, yeah, and you're like. 393 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 4: I can't bear the whole way to the whole trans community. 394 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 1: Bro, it's just me. 395 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh wow, So with went so you so when 396 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 2: you came out, it's being trans when you know, when 397 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 2: you came out as being non binary, that's when Wentworth came. 398 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 4: Like it was about it was end of twenty eighteen 399 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 4: that I came out as non binary, just to people 400 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 4: in my life, and then I told my parents a 401 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 4: bit later, and then I told you know, the internet, 402 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 4: and then it was probably halfway through twenty nineteen that 403 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 4: I heard about this role. 404 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 3: And I didn't. Originally I wasn't. They weren't going to 405 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 3: see me for it, they were going to see me 406 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 3: for another role. 407 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 4: But like I had been hell bent on Wentworth since 408 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 4: I started acting like I can see why, oh my god, 409 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 4: like I went When I had my first meeting with Shanahans, 410 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 4: I was like, I want to be on Wentworth. I 411 00:18:58,800 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 4: want to be on Home and away. I want to 412 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 4: be on Went and they were like, Okay, we'll try 413 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 4: and make that happen. I was like, nope, I'm gonna 414 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 4: be on what Worth. And then I heard about this 415 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 4: role and it was you know, trans, and he experienced 416 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 4: gender and the same way I did. And I was like, well, 417 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 4: I simply have to do it, like I simply have to. 418 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 4: And then I found out Kate was playing the partner. Kate, 419 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 4: you know, has been a long time one of my 420 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 4: favorite actors and humans, and Kate kind of helped me 421 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 4: come out as well. 422 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 3: So I had a very special place in my heart. 423 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 4: And I was like, well, it's simply there's no choice 424 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 4: in this, like I will play this role. Yeah, And 425 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 4: I just hustled my way in and they weren't going 426 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 4: to see me because I was ten years too young 427 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 4: for it and everyone they were seeing was older and 428 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 4: not trans to be honest. Yeah, and I just like, 429 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 4: I was so nervous. I've never been that nervous for 430 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 4: an d year before. Yeah. 431 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 3: I thought. 432 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 4: I was like, I've had to go over with my 433 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 4: friend Caroline Brazy's house the night before and I was like, Yash, 434 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 4: I don't know what to do. I feel like, I 435 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 4: can't drop in, I can't access it, and she was like, 436 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 4: you need a stiff drink, babes and I had a 437 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 4: Vogker and I was. 438 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: Like let's go. 439 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah yeah. 440 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 4: So then it all kind of I did the audition 441 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 4: and it went well, and then I did the callback 442 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 4: and Kate and I had really read chemistry and yeah. 443 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 4: Then they went quiet for so long, and I was like, 444 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 4: bless caath ebbs man. 445 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 3: I was hell. 446 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 4: I was like, maybe they call now. Maybe I was 447 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 4: not present because I just check my phone. For like 448 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 4: two months, I was checking my phone. And then I 449 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 4: was like fuck this, and I wrote an email. 450 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: Did you Yeah? 451 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 3: I emailed the producers. 452 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 4: I was like hey, Like I was basically just saying 453 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 4: thank you for putting this roll out into the world, 454 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 4: but also I hope you know that this means a 455 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 4: great deal to me and would mean a great deal 456 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 4: to the community to have somebody who identifies that way 457 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 4: tell this story. 458 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 3: And then the next day I got the offer. 459 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's something like the second you said yes 460 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 2: doing this podcast, I was like, yes, I get to 461 00:20:54,520 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 2: being And it was such a joy to what red 462 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 2: but also Lou and the like the camaraderie. 463 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: Like it was just it was. 464 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 2: Like such an anchoring point because like Wentworth is very crazy, 465 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 2: like there's so much chaos going on. 466 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: But it was just like, I don't know, I just 467 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: loved the love. 468 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a big love. 469 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 2: I love the way that you talk about the importance 470 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 2: of casting trans people in trans roles, and you've been 471 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 2: super vocal about that. Yeah, and that's obviously an example 472 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 2: of your character in Wentworth. But what I loved, and 473 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 2: I actually saw it on conversations with Cat, You're like, 474 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 2: it's not just the actor and it's like trans people 475 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 2: in costume. It's like it has to go the whole 476 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 2: yea color and everything. And when I saw that, I 477 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 2: was like, oh my, like it's so easy to think 478 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 2: almost like tunnel vision. Yeah, totally need more representation. I 479 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 2: remember when I was in an acting class, someone's like, well, 480 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 2: well you're thirty five, like you got three more years 481 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 2: and you just play a mom And I was like, dagger. 482 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 4: By hard No, not true, right, I mean in Australia, 483 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,479 Speaker 4: it's a pretty backwards place in terms of age and 484 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 4: race and all of it. 485 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 3: But yeah, unfortunately that is Australia. Yeah, I just think 486 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 3: I think it's such. I think it's bullshit. 487 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 4: I think I think, of course, representation matters and face value. 488 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 4: It is so important to see trans people, people of color, 489 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 4: particularly trans people of color, for fronting these shows. But 490 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 4: I resent the fact that when I got on set, 491 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 4: I had to explain what a binder was. Yeah, I 492 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 4: had to explain why I don't think reb needed to 493 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 4: be packing like, I had. 494 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 3: To explain what those words meant, because if you had. 495 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 4: One trans person in any department, they'd be able to 496 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 4: tell you, you know. And I was lucky enough to 497 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 4: have my hairmake of artists ban on this fucking incredible 498 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 4: queer woman who just it just meant we had a 499 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 4: shorthand because she instantly understood what I was talking about, 500 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 4: what I meant, and like every time she did my 501 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 4: hair in the morning, she'd just go there it is, 502 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 4: you know. And just to be gendered correctly, you know, 503 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 4: or your character to be gendered correctly, it's such an 504 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 4: affirming thing to have every morning, you know. 505 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 2: I've heard you say in interviews that you personally have 506 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 2: learned so much from Red and playing Red, and I 507 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 2: love that side of as well. 508 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 1: What's the thing you've learned from Red. I mean it 509 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: was not. 510 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 4: It wasn't so like kind of easy and sunshine and nice. 511 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 4: It was it was really hard for a while. When 512 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 4: I first started, I would wake up every morning and 513 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 4: the first thing I thought was my boy, and my boy? 514 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 3: Do I feel like a boy? Today? Am I boy? 515 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 4: And it's still something I really struggle with, Like I 516 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 4: don't know, I don't know if I'm a boy. 517 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 3: I don't know. 518 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 4: I know right now. They then feels good, and I 519 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 4: know I feel like a guy. I don't think I 520 00:23:58,480 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 4: feel like a man. 521 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 3: I don't know. It's something I'm working out. 522 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 4: But playing REB was so fucking confusing for that reason, 523 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 4: because I was being referred to as a guy all 524 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 4: day and it felt really good and it still feels good. Yeah. 525 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 4: And then I was on the beach one day because 526 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 4: we lived on Port Melbourne on the beach and me 527 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 4: and right away Hick who's Ruby Mitchell and Wentworth. I 528 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 4: was sitting there and I just bursted tears and I 529 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 4: was like, I'm so lost, Like I'm so lost, I 530 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 4: feel so lost in REB. I feel like I'm losing 531 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 4: touch with myself. And she just kind of grabbed my 532 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 4: face and calmed me. Down, and she was like, whenever 533 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 4: I come home from work, I asked myself, who does 534 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 4: this belong to? Who does this feeling belong to? Is 535 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 4: this Rubies or Rity's okay, that's Rubies. I'm going to 536 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 4: give it back to her. And that little tiny thing 537 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 4: saved my fucking ass. I can so every day when 538 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 4: I came home from work and when I woke up 539 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 4: and I felt so gender confused and so dark, I 540 00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:59,959 Speaker 4: just would stock you know, it's a fucking heavy material, 541 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 4: you know, like it gets right and the rest. Yeah, 542 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 4: and I would just say, does this belong to? Is 543 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 4: this ReBs or is this mine? I think it's ReBs. 544 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 4: I'm going to give it back to him and I'll 545 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 4: pick it up tomorrow. 546 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. 547 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 3: And it doesn't always work, you know, I've still got 548 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 3: gender issues not even doing it. 549 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 2: But it also psychologically protects Zoey absolutely. You can function, 550 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 2: yeah and being and then be able to kind of 551 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 2: like give back to totally. 552 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 4: And I think it's a bit extra hard when you're living, 553 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 4: you know, alone in a service department away from your people. 554 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 4: And I have a lot of people in Melbourne, but 555 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 4: no one that I lived with, and so you kind 556 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 4: of just it's very easy to accidentally stay in it. Yeah, 557 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 4: you know, because you've got ham and you got to 558 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 4: learn your lines, so you've got to say it a 559 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 4: little bit more. And then it's you know, nine pm, 560 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 4: and you've got to get up at four am to 561 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 4: go back to work. 562 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 3: So it's pretty easy to slip into it and stay 563 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 3: in it. But I'm very glad that I stopped doing that. 564 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 3: He's not sustainable. 565 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 2: Oh this is so so fascinating, So I gotta talk 566 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 2: right before we hit record on this. Byron Bay, You've 567 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,679 Speaker 2: been in recently doing Nine Perfect Strangers, and I was 568 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 2: trying to find anything I could on Strange. All I 569 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 2: could see was Melissa McCarthy doing an interview saying, I 570 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 2: love working with such a wonderful group of weirdos. 571 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the time. That was the breed. 572 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 4: Everyone was so fucking weird, like in the best way. 573 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: Like thank god. 574 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 4: It was just like the strangest, most miraculous group of people. Yeah, 575 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 4: and everyone just got each other. Like the second we started, 576 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,479 Speaker 4: we were just like, oh, you're all fucking weird. This 577 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 4: is gonna work, you know, Like I felt usually I 578 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 4: feel like kind of funny in a room, and that 579 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 4: reminds like, I'm not going to day like a joke 580 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 4: because I will be stood up. Like they are just 581 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 4: the funniest people. 582 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: You know. 583 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 4: You've got like Melissa, You've got Regina Hall or Grace 584 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 4: stand Patten, Like fuck off, you know what. 585 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 2: Are you so pumped I to be like you're rubbing 586 00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 2: shoulders with like we're talking Hollywood. 587 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: Great. Yeah, it was pretty surreal. 588 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 4: My first day, I was like, oh my god, and like, 589 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 4: you know, Nicole came up to me. I was like, 590 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 4: and same with Melissa. And Melissa is just she's fucking incredible. 591 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 3: Her acting. 592 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 4: I just I don't know how she does it. Like 593 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 4: there was one day on set where I was like, but. 594 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 3: How are you doing that? Like how how are you 595 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 3: doing that? All of them? 596 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 4: You know, Regina Hall, Bobby Can't of Valley, Michael Shannon, 597 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 4: like funk Off, They're just the great Tiffany Boone. 598 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: Luke Evans is. Yeah, it was I don't have. 599 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 4: A great deal to do in that show, but just 600 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 4: to sit back and watch everyone. Like I remember I 601 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 4: did an audition about a quarter the way through the 602 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 4: shoot and I was like, oh God, I don't know 603 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 4: how this is going to be. And I was so 604 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 4: much better, Like my acting was so much better. And 605 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 4: I was like, why am I better? And I was like, oh, 606 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 4: because I've pretty much been in an audit again for 607 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 4: five months, you know what I mean, Like with the 608 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 4: finest actors in Hollywood. 609 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 3: That's why I am better because they just rub off 610 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 3: on you. 611 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: And you were shooting at so much. 612 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 2: Weren't you that incredible hug retreat in It's so beautiful? 613 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 2: I did a WRECKI of it recently because I teach Joger. 614 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 2: I'm looking for a spot to a retreat and they're like, 615 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 2: we built this for Nicole Kidman's character especially, and I 616 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 2: was like, oh, I feel like I'm going to a 617 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 2: real life They've changed the retreat, like because they've built 618 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 2: sets around it. 619 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. 620 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,120 Speaker 2: So I'm sure you get Actually, I know you get 621 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 2: asked this because I've listened to every single podcast you've 622 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 2: ever done. 623 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 1: I'm very virgo with that. 624 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 2: But would you say, like, because I feel like theaters 625 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 2: in your bones, like theater is probably how you've especially 626 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 2: doing school with Ian pretty much, would you say, like, 627 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 2: do you prefer the medium like the pace of TV 628 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,959 Speaker 2: or you like love to get into that, because not 629 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 2: right there are actors that can do both, which clearly 630 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,239 Speaker 2: you can, but that's also like a rare talent, know, 631 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 2: I mean, all my favorite actors are theater actors, especially 632 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 2: in Australia, like Kate Box, Helen Thompson, Blazy Best, Like 633 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 2: all the people that I get really excited to watch 634 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 2: in anything are theater actors. I think you fall in 635 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 2: love with a theater actor harder than you can fall 636 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 2: in love with a screen actor. Like I've never the 637 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 2: response I will have to an amazing performance in theater 638 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 2: like that, I when I see somebody do a great 639 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 2: piece of theater, I've never had that with a movie, 640 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 2: you know, Like it's always more visceral when it's theater 641 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 2: because you feel like somebody's just done it for you 642 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 2: and they fucking have you know what I mean. 643 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 4: Like it's it's so much more personal. So I don't 644 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 4: I don't know how to answer that question. I feel 645 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 4: like I approach everything like it's theater. Yeah, even even screen. 646 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 4: I just think if you have I don't have much 647 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 4: theater background. 648 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 3: I've done like a couple of plays, but. 649 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: Also with pretty incredible people. 650 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, totally like and so I'm yeah, and Ian say 651 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 4: and like changed my life and changed the way I'm. 652 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: So young, Like you've been given these gifts. 653 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 3: So yeah, which sets up really well. 654 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 2: And even Ian from what I learned, like his work 655 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 2: ethic as well, because I was like, oh, how can 656 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 2: I translate. 657 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: This to like an audio screen audition? Is like no, 658 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: it's six different ways and be able to do it. 659 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 2: On this yeah, like you know, like so yeah, they 660 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 2: don't even need to think, they just are. Yeah, there's 661 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 2: something you shid about Kate Box and how Kate inspired 662 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 2: you to like take that plunge to come. 663 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: Out as non binary and quite come out as gay. 664 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: Was it was gay? 665 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 2: And she was was it that it was be that 666 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 2: person for someone out? 667 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what that was what she said. Yeah, I 668 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 4: called I called Kate was twenty seventeen. I'd seen them 669 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 4: in a show. I'd seen them in Cloud nine and 670 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 4: just so fucking good and it like just that show 671 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 4: as well was another. 672 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 3: One where I was like, oh my god. 673 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then my friend Anita was like, oh, Kate's gay, 674 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 4: and I was like what I have? I just didn't 675 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 4: know I had somebody to look up to, Like I 676 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 4: thought I was inventing the wheel here and I fucking wasn't. 677 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 4: And I got put in contact with Kate through a 678 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 4: mutual friend and we had a phone call and Kate said, yeah, 679 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 4: they just said, you know, you have me to call 680 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 4: because I did it, So go and be that person 681 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 4: for someone else. 682 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 3: And then that night I posted a photo of me 683 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 3: kissing my best friend on Instagram. 684 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: I was like, fuck it, yeah. 685 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 4: My friend Kate's thank you, Kate's there's a photo of 686 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 4: us kissing. 687 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 3: And I was like, nah, yeah, you go. 688 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: Well. 689 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 4: I was just so inspired and I had been you know, 690 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 4: i'd only been hiding it to the industry and you know, hiding, 691 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 4: and I was like, I hadn't fucking done anything but 692 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 4: for you know, under a year. But that was enough 693 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 4: for me to go like, I can't. I can't do 694 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 4: this anymore. I can't do this anymore. I'm sick of 695 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 4: not being able to post photos of the person I'm seeing. 696 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 2: You know, fuck that out of everybody I've interviewed, and 697 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 2: I'm just about to record my one hundredth episode. You're 698 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 2: so real and this like unapologetic realness that like please 699 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 2: don't ever change. That is so inspired, Like hearing these 700 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 2: stories and everything you're showing it inspires me just to 701 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 2: be have no filter in just life in general, like 702 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 2: aside from gender, like in life, imagine just like living 703 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 2: not like like I think, we get so scared of 704 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 2: judgment and like especially you know, being a worrying that 705 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 2: that might affect your career, you know what I mean 706 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 2: totally just having that gone, like that weight gone your rock, 707 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 2: Like you can go to any audition and just be like, hey, yeah, 708 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 2: I'm Zoe. 709 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: This is who I am. Take it or leave it. Yeah, 710 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: that's got to be. 711 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 4: Pretty freek And I think I think being gay and 712 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 4: being trans kind of backs in a corner with that 713 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 4: stuff because you've got no choice, Like you literally just 714 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 4: have to go, because you live your life with people, 715 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 4: knowing people don't agree with your existence and knowing some 716 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 4: people would rather you were dead, and so you kind 717 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 4: of just have to go like, fuck you, then this 718 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 4: is who I am. If you don't like it, find 719 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 4: my may get in line, you know what I mean. Yeah, 720 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 4: But also there's a lot of people who do like 721 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 4: it and who feel liberated by it and seen by it. 722 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 4: So fuck you, take me or leave me, like you 723 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 4: know exactly. 724 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 2: But also, like I I was saying this to my 725 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 2: boyfriend before how I was quite nervous because I would 726 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 2: be classified and please correct me if I'm wrong, but 727 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 2: like I'm straight, so I would be a ciss heterosexual, right, 728 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 2: That's how I describe myself. But like, everything you're sharing 729 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 2: inspires me to be a better human. 730 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: So like, I want you to know. 731 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 2: That everybody really because I think this is where art 732 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 2: comes into it as well, where I think like if 733 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 2: your true lived from the heart, you're real, you work 734 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 2: bloody hard as well, like good, good shit will happen 735 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 2: to you. Yeah, And it's so rare that you get 736 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 2: people just like aren't apologetically being themselves. 737 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: And I just want to thank you for that because 738 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: it is. 739 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 2: So so inspiring for people that could be listening now 740 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 2: that are like, oh, like I I want to. 741 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: Do this thing. 742 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,760 Speaker 2: I want to come out, but it's so freaking scary 743 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 2: because I've heard you had a great experience coming out 744 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 2: to friends and family and. 745 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 3: Like super supportive, very lucky. 746 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:22,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, and not everybody has that experience, So what would 747 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 2: your like two questions, first one is like, what's your 748 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 2: advice people that is feeling a bit stuck? And the 749 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 2: second thing is how can we normalize and just make 750 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 2: it like, why is it even a thing? Why can't 751 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 2: we just ask people their pronoun when we meet them? 752 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? 753 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a massive question. It's it's I don't know. 754 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 1: It's so hard. 755 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 4: It's something I get a lot of messages on Instagram about, like, 756 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 4: you know, people being like my, my family don't accept me, 757 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,240 Speaker 4: and I don't know what to do, and I feel 758 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 4: trapped and I feel stuck and. 759 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:56,879 Speaker 3: I don't know what to say. 760 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 4: I don't know what to say because it's just fucked 761 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:00,760 Speaker 4: and and. 762 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 3: I don't know. It reminds me of this. Have you 763 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 3: seen It's a sin? 764 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: No? Oh, you've got to watch understand. 765 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 4: There's this speech at the end spoiler alert sorry. The 766 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 4: lead woman gives to this boy who's died of AIDS 767 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 4: his mum, and she basically just talks about all the 768 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 4: men in you know, said in their seventies, eighties, nineties 769 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 4: in the AIDS crisis, and all the men in the 770 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 4: hospitals that are dying alone, and she basically just says, like, 771 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 4: you have to understand that a little part of them 772 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 4: thinks they deserve it, and they think they deserve it 773 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 4: because of people like you, Because you made them think 774 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 4: they deserve it by not loving them because of it. 775 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 4: And I know it sounds so fucking harsh, especially out 776 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 4: of context, but that's how people who don't respect this 777 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 4: stuff should be spoken to. 778 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's how parents have. 779 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 4: You know, if you're a parent and you wouldn't love 780 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,760 Speaker 4: your kid if they were trans, don't fucking have kids. 781 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 4: You're so strongly about that, like, you do not deserve 782 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 4: to be a parent, You do not deserve to bring 783 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,320 Speaker 4: a small person into this world. 784 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 2: I've never said this for I broke up with a 785 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,799 Speaker 2: guy once because I had a feeling that it was 786 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 2: quite homophobia. And I was like, what if we had 787 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 2: a kid one day and they're like, hey, mom, Dad, 788 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 2: I'm gay. 789 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: He was like, well, I wouldn't be happy about it. 790 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,360 Speaker 1: I see ya. I broke up on the spot. 791 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. 792 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 1: I was like, I would be wrapped. 793 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 4: I would like you be you and never there's a 794 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 4: gift such gay kids are fucking better. 795 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 2: I've got to say something that I reckon you're gonna laugh. 796 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 2: First day of acting school, there's a teacher at sixteenth Street. 797 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 1: Called Julia Green. Julia Yeah, And first day. 798 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,800 Speaker 2: Sat down in circle and she's like, name pronoun yeah, 799 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 2: like before any classes started, Like how a mate, Like. 800 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 1: I know that that needs to be the norm. 801 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's such a refreshing thing when it happens. 802 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 4: Ian does that too, young first day rehearsals and Sarah, 803 00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 4: But I think this really cool. 804 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,360 Speaker 3: Think have it in Byron. There was this queer meetup 805 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 3: thing that me and Kath went to and. 806 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 4: Everyone was asking each other's pronouns and this one person 807 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 4: I was like, hey, man, what are your pronouns? 808 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 3: And they were like, I actually haven't checked in with 809 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:15,880 Speaker 3: myself yet. Can I get back to you. 810 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 4: I was like, that is so cool, like to be 811 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 4: that in touch with yourself to say, like, I haven't 812 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 4: asked myself what my pronouns are today. 813 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:25,479 Speaker 1: Yeah. 814 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 4: I just thought it was incredible because they're clearly in 815 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 4: a place where they haven't decided, or maybe they won't decide, 816 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 4: and maybe a couple of pronouns are feeling good at 817 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 4: the moment. 818 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,320 Speaker 1: Like I wish I had that confidence. I'm like they 819 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: then you know yeah, yeah, So. 820 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 2: Like yeah, I just think I think you're incredible and 821 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 2: I honestly believe that you are gonna really put a 822 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 2: dent on this world. In the best possible way. And 823 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 2: I know I've said this to you in the past 824 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 2: via instagrams. 825 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:56,800 Speaker 1: I want you to write a book. You've got a 826 00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,160 Speaker 1: book in you, my friend. I know that makes they 827 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: were really embarrassed. It is so embarrassed. Yeah, big time. 828 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: And please just. 829 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 2: Kate doing what you're doing because I think you are 830 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 2: freaking incredible. 831 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,839 Speaker 3: Thank you, mate, thanks for having me. 832 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:14,359 Speaker 1: Thank you. 833 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:21,880 Speaker 2: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always, 834 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 2: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation 835 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:26,360 Speaker 2: on Instagram. 836 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 1: I'm at Yamo Lullerberry. 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