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Speaker 1: Jumb Mission with Jonesy and Amanda Noospaper cartoonist Michael Lunik

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Speaker 1: has been acts from his prized position at the age

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Speaker 1: of an image comparing resistance to mandatory vaccination to the

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Speaker 1: fight for democracy in Tianaman Square.

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Speaker 2: I'll describe it to you. I'm sure you know Lunic's

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Speaker 2: imagery sort of these whimsical characters with big eyes and

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Speaker 2: they always look really vulnerable. Mister curlyhead was this is

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Speaker 2: the thing is he's I'll describe the image first and

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Speaker 2: we'll discuss his history. So there's an image of one

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Speaker 2: of these gormous little characters standing in front of the tank,

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Speaker 2: that famous image from Tieneman Square where alone civilian stood

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Speaker 2: there as the tank came towards him. He's even included

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Speaker 2: an image when he put this up on his Instagram.

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Speaker 2: He's included an image from Tieneman Square with it, but

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Speaker 2: instead of the canon of the tank, there's a hypodermic

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Speaker 2: needle pointing at him. This is his anti vax.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I still really love Michael. We had him on

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Speaker 1: our show a few years ago when he had his

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Speaker 1: book out Night Love It VACXLO.

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Speaker 2: Well. Also, his work used to be just filled with

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Speaker 2: whimsy and with nostalgia and little individual characters trying to

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Speaker 2: find their way in a confusing world. That's how I

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Speaker 2: read them. But they become more and more political.

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Speaker 1: Well, he's a political cartoonist, but what I see here

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Speaker 1: he's gone from the fine line of satire and comment

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Speaker 1: to propaganda. So he's gone from one to the other.

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Speaker 2: He says, my job is to challenge the status quo.

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Speaker 2: That's always been the job of the cartoonist. So it's

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Speaker 2: interesting that the newspaper has said that doesn't fit our readership.

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Speaker 2: That's what they've actually said. You were out of touch

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Speaker 2: with the readership of our newspaper. And by that, I

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Speaker 2: guess I mean the editorial stance of the newspaper, which

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Speaker 2: is very much pro vaccination, pro Dan Andrews and the

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Speaker 2: lockdown and all that kind of stuff. They're supporting their premiere.

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Speaker 2: He's been going against that. He got in trouble a

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Speaker 2: couple of years ago for another one. This was in nineteen.

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Speaker 2: In twenty fifteen, this another one was comparing the Victorian

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Speaker 2: government to fascists with the proposal to banned children who

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Speaker 2: hadn't been vaccinated from childcare centers. It's the what's that

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Speaker 2: famous Michael A creation? The creation. So there's God's hand,

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Speaker 2: Jesus's hand, one of whom is holding a hypodemic needle,

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Speaker 2: and he calls it fascist epiphany. The god of science

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Speaker 2: grants politicians that divine right to enforce mass medication upon

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Speaker 2: babies and small children. They're not all vacs. There was

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Speaker 2: one that sparked outrage amongst women in particular. It's a

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Speaker 2: woman walking along looking at her phone and her babies

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Speaker 2: looking lying behind her on the ground. She doesn't notice

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Speaker 2: it's not in the pram. Mummy was busy on Instagram

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Speaker 2: when beautiful baby fell out of the pram, lay on

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Speaker 2: the path, unseen and alone, wishing he was loved like

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Speaker 2: a phone.

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Speaker 1: And so that to me is just public comment. I

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Speaker 1: think that's fine. That one is fine. The other one

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Speaker 1: we didn't get asked for that.

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Speaker 2: But he kissed the people off.

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Speaker 1: Well, he's obviously ticked you right off. But what I'm

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Speaker 1: saying is that's just a comment on society.

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Speaker 2: And how is that. Well, I don't like this new

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Speaker 2: one either.

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Speaker 1: No, the new one is propaganda. You know, when when

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Speaker 1: you look at the current rate of vaccination in Australia,

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Speaker 1: it's the vaccinator is far outweighing the unvaccinated, and that

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Speaker 1: has always been because we've been having vaccines for a

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Speaker 1: long time now, so it's not suddenly this new thing

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Speaker 1: that we've suddenly got. And so in Lunar's area it

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Speaker 1: would have had the polio vaccine. He probably took it.

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Speaker 1: And that's that's what bugs me about that. Why are

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Speaker 1: we suddenly questioning all these But let me.

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Speaker 2: Play for a moment. I don't like this cartoon. I

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Speaker 2: think it's right that that wasn't run the element square

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Speaker 2: square one. But he would say that it's propaganda to

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Speaker 2: push these vaccines on us. I don't agree with that.

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Speaker 2: But where do you draw the line in propaganda? The

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Speaker 2: newspaper has drawn the line and has said you're not

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Speaker 2: fitting within our editorial stance here. I don't think our

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Speaker 2: readers are going to like it.

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Speaker 1: But there's all that great propaganda from World War One

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Speaker 1: and World War two, you know, all those things about

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Speaker 1: going to the front to take on the hunt.

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Speaker 2: But we've used propaganda to say, hey, get vaccinated, and

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Speaker 2: rightly so we've needed to be going, ho, hey Australia

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Speaker 2: get vaccinated. That's propaganda too.

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Speaker 1: What is where's Fred Bassett stand on this?

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Speaker 2: Give him the needle needle needle funny.

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Speaker 1: I'm coming for you as well, Kathy, How many cupcakes

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Speaker 1: can that woman eat? Stop? Jonesy and Amanda's gamation