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Speaker 1: Now, obviously yesterday it was a pretty crazy day on

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Speaker 1: air as we started to hear details emerge from that

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Speaker 1: critical incident that was unfolding out in Palmerston. We now

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Speaker 1: know that a man's in a critical condition in the

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Speaker 1: Royal Darwin Hospital after that police shooting in the Gray

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Speaker 1: Park on Tuesday morning. Now joining me on the line

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Speaker 1: is Lisa Bayless, who is the senior vice president of

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Speaker 1: the Police Association. Good morning, Lisa, Good morning Katie. Lisa. Firstly,

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Speaker 1: what are you able to tell us from that incident yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Look, obviously it's a current police investigation, but look, I

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Speaker 2: just want to say, just on behalf of the police

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Speaker 2: that we're actually very very lucky that our members were

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Speaker 2: seriously or critically injured during this incident, and to be

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Speaker 2: honest with this, we're grateful they able to go home

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Speaker 2: and be with their families after protecting the community from

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Speaker 2: what was a very dangerous situation of an other armed

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Speaker 2: man and certain so.

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Speaker 1: From your perspective, it was an incredibly dangerous situation for

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Police.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, yes, Look, an unfortunately system another example of the

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Speaker 2: dangerous situations that police are faced with every day, and

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Speaker 2: obviously We're confident our members that they follow their training

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Speaker 2: and we support them one hundred percent when unfortunately this

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Speaker 2: circumstances occur. But we see, we see it from the

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Speaker 2: point of view that this tragic situation could have been

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Speaker 2: far worse.

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Speaker 1: Lisa, how many police officers were there when this incident unfolded?

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Speaker 2: Look, there was two police that had attended and and

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Speaker 2: like you know, like I said, it was a very

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Speaker 2: difficult situation. The information is is that he was allegedly

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Speaker 2: armed with a with a weapon, a sphere, and he

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Speaker 2: confronted the police.

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Speaker 1: And what unit were the officers from? Were they general

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Speaker 1: duties officers?

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Speaker 2: Yep, general duties, just doing their their job that they

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Speaker 2: do every day.

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Speaker 1: I know it must have It must be an incredibly

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Speaker 1: frightening situation for anybody to be under when there is

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Speaker 1: somebody who's allegedly armed. So in this instance, what we

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Speaker 1: have been told is that is that this person was

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Speaker 1: allegedly armed with a spear.

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Speaker 2: Yeh, yeh, that is correct.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when they were called out, were they of the

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Speaker 1: understanding that they've been called out to a domestic violence

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Speaker 1: incident or do you know what they were what they

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Speaker 1: were told?

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I mean Obviously I'm not going to go

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Speaker 2: into to a lot of the details. I'm not aware

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Speaker 2: of all the details from the incident, but what I

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Speaker 2: do know is obviously having gone through such a critical

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Speaker 2: incident for the police members, it is very distressing and

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Speaker 2: it's a difficult time for them. We've been supporting them

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Speaker 2: throughout this, you know, providing them with advice and obviously

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Speaker 2: just the support they need. Generally, when you have a

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Speaker 2: critical incident response, it's fully investigated by police and there's

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Speaker 2: obviously feeling feeling quite distressed over what's happened.

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Speaker 1: How are those officers today.

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Speaker 2: I haven't actually spoken to today, but you know, having

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Speaker 2: been through such a difficult situation, it is it's traumatic

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Speaker 2: for them. Even though you're training for such a situation

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Speaker 2: and you rely on your training, it's still the human

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Speaker 2: factor of you've been through a critical incident and it

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Speaker 2: is it's quite traumatic.

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Speaker 1: Please, do we have any idea if they were experienced officers.

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Speaker 2: Look again, that's those sort of questions you probably need

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Speaker 2: to put put through to the police. What I can

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Speaker 2: tell is that both general duties police officers they've been

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Speaker 2: they weren't on probation or I think they've experienced police

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Speaker 2: officers in that sense, and they were confronted with a

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Speaker 2: very difficult situation and a lot on their training. And

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Speaker 2: I think as a community we're lucky that we didn't

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Speaker 2: have two police that didn't go home to their families yesterday, Liza.

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Speaker 1: I know there has been discussion in the community for

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Speaker 1: quite a while about senior officers leaving the force, that

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Speaker 1: loss of real experience within the Northern Territory Police Force

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Speaker 1: and the recruitment obviously of new younger people who aren't

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Speaker 1: as experienced obviously by the number of years that they've

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Speaker 1: spent within the force. Have we got a situation here

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Speaker 1: where people in some instances are not being adequately trained. Oh.

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Speaker 2: Look, in terms of our training, all our police officers,

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Speaker 2: they spend six months at the Police College. They are

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Speaker 2: thoroughly trained in law, policy, procedure, the defensive tactics, farms training,

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Speaker 2: dealing with critical incidents. That the training is second to

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Speaker 2: none in the country. The norm Churchary police. We punch

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Speaker 2: far beyond our weight. I think we're very lucky in

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Speaker 2: that sense. But in terms of resourcing, as we always so,

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Speaker 2: we could always do with more police. It is there

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Speaker 2: are circumstances where not having enough resources does hurt us,

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Speaker 2: but this situation was not one of them. The members

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Speaker 2: were actually confronted with just a very difficult, a very

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Speaker 2: difficult and dangerous incident, and they've relied on their training

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Speaker 2: and they did the best thing they could in the situation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how heavily would it have come into their minds

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Speaker 1: as well that this incident was unfolding incredibly close to

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Speaker 1: the school.

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Speaker 2: I don't think there was there was time to actually

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Speaker 2: to even deal with that situation. They were confronted by

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Speaker 2: like a very you know, a very difficult situation, and

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Speaker 2: if they hadn't have acted when they did, they potentially

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Speaker 2: we could have had two police officers that I didn't

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Speaker 2: go home to their family.

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Speaker 1: Lisa, I really appreciate your time this morning. I know

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Speaker 1: it's a difficult conversation for us to have because there

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Speaker 1: is a lot that we can't discuss, you know, and

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Speaker 1: because this is still a very live investing gation. So

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Speaker 1: I appreciate your time this morning. Thank you very much

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Speaker 1: for having your chat with us.

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Speaker 2: No, thank you, Katie, thank you