1
00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:04,960
Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda

2
00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:10,000
Speaker 1: Bunjelung Calcuttin woman from Gadighl Country. The Daily oz acknowledges

3
00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,239
Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the

4
00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,840
Speaker 1: Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres

5
00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,759
Speaker 1: Straight Island and nations. We pay our respects to the

6
00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,560
Speaker 1: first peoples of these countries, both past and present.

7
00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,240
Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os. It's Wednesday,

8
00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:33,440
Speaker 2: the seventeenth of August.

9
00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:35,040
Speaker 3: I'm Zara, I'm Sam.

10
00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,720
Speaker 2: All we can talk about at the moment is Scott

11
00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,280
Speaker 2: Morrison's secret ministry roles. Now, this is a big story

12
00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,920
Speaker 2: and it's been unfolding with revelations trickling one after the

13
00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,600
Speaker 2: other about portfolios that Morrison secretly swore himself into while

14
00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:50,240
Speaker 2: Prime minister.

15
00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,280
Speaker 4: Australians knew during the election campaign that I was running

16
00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,520
Speaker 4: a shadow ministry. What they didn't know was that Scott

17
00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,480
Speaker 4: Morrison was running a shadow government minister.

18
00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,200
Speaker 5: I was just putting myself in a position to ensure

19
00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,720
Speaker 5: that I could exercise my responsibilities. It's as simple as that.

20
00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,200
Speaker 2: So I did former Prime Minister Scott Morrison make himself

21
00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:14,240
Speaker 2: a minister of five different portfolios and is it even legal.

22
00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,480
Speaker 2: We'll get into that in the deep dive. But fir

23
00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:18,160
Speaker 2: Sam what's making headlines.

24
00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,679
Speaker 3: New South Wales Premier Dominique Perrote has said the government

25
00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,640
Speaker 3: will make changes to the Ministerial Code of Conduct. This

26
00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,080
Speaker 3: is one of the outcomes of a review commissioned in

27
00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,000
Speaker 3: the wake of the John Barrollaro trade roll saga. We've

28
00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:32,800
Speaker 3: spoken about it a couple of times in the last

29
00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,120
Speaker 3: few weeks on this pod. Speaking yesterday, Perrote said that

30
00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,600
Speaker 3: his government would adopt twelve of the thirteen changes recommended

31
00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,480
Speaker 3: by the review.

32
00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,639
Speaker 2: The US Department of Justice has pushed back on calls

33
00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,320
Speaker 2: to release details about the warrant that was used for

34
00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,280
Speaker 2: the raid of former President Donald Trump's Florida home last week.

35
00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,560
Speaker 2: This is because they said it would cause significant and

36
00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:59,680
Speaker 2: irreparable damage to their criminal investigation. Trump has accused the

37
00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,400
Speaker 2: FBI of taking is passports, which we understand typically only

38
00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:07,880
Speaker 2: happens for suspects they deem a flight risk. So nuts.

39
00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,919
Speaker 3: The UK government's Health Agency has conditionally authorized the use

40
00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,359
Speaker 3: of a COVID nineteen vaccine that targets the omicron strain.

41
00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,280
Speaker 3: The vaccine, which is made by Maderna can be used

42
00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,840
Speaker 3: by people aged eighteen and over, but it's going to

43
00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,960
Speaker 3: be prioritized for people who are over fifty and are immunocompromised.

44
00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,720
Speaker 2: And I love this good news. Today Scotland has become

45
00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,600
Speaker 2: the first country in the world to provide free period products.

46
00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,080
Speaker 2: This comes after legislation which we first started speaking about

47
00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,520
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, came into effect this week. The new

48
00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:45,360
Speaker 2: law ensaws that public service bodies, schools, colleges and unis

49
00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,680
Speaker 2: have period products, including tampons and pads, freely available across

50
00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:51,000
Speaker 2: the country.

51
00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,080
Speaker 3: Zara, it's time to talk about Scott Morrison and the

52
00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,120
Speaker 3: secret sweat in sounds like the name of it at

53
00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,480
Speaker 3: Harry Potter epic Harry Potter book. But it's nice. Can

54
00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,640
Speaker 3: you give me a bit of an overview of what happened?

55
00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:12,440
Speaker 2: Okay, So this story all revolves around Scott Morrison, our

56
00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,760
Speaker 2: former Prime Minister and still the Member fur Cook, so

57
00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,640
Speaker 2: still a member of Parliament. What we have come to

58
00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,079
Speaker 2: understand through a series of reports and also a part

59
00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,639
Speaker 2: of a book all by News Corp journalists at first

60
00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:30,240
Speaker 2: is that Scott Morrison secretly swore himself into at least

61
00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:35,320
Speaker 2: five portfolios This is current Prime Minister Anthony Abernizi speaking

62
00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,880
Speaker 2: at a press conference yesterday today.

63
00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:43,880
Speaker 4: I've been informed that between March twenty twenty and May

64
00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:49,160
Speaker 4: twoenty and twenty one, the Prime Minister Scott Morrison was

65
00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:55,440
Speaker 4: appointed to five additional portfolios in addition to his appointment

66
00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,120
Speaker 4: as the head of Prime Minister and Cabinet.

67
00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,840
Speaker 2: He was appointed to administer the Department of Health on

68
00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,080
Speaker 2: the fourteenth of March twenty twenty.

69
00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:07,480
Speaker 4: The Department of Finance on the thirtieth of March twenty twenty.

70
00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,240
Speaker 3: The Department of Home Affairs on the sixth of May

71
00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:10,240
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one.

72
00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:14,160
Speaker 2: The Department of Treasury on sixth of May twenty twenty one, and.

73
00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:18,920
Speaker 4: The Department of Industry, Science, Energy and Resources on the

74
00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,880
Speaker 4: fifteenth of April twenty twenty one.

75
00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,880
Speaker 2: Okay, so there we get a bit of an understanding

76
00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,960
Speaker 2: of the timeline of then Prime Minister Scott Morrison appointing

77
00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,840
Speaker 2: himself these additional portfolios. But the other aspect of this

78
00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,520
Speaker 2: story is that it wasn't just us the public who

79
00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,560
Speaker 2: didn't know about what was happening. It was also the

80
00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,200
Speaker 2: many ministers whose portfolios were covered and they had no

81
00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,919
Speaker 2: idea that Morrison had joined them as minister.

82
00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,240
Speaker 3: Before we go any further, can you just talk me

83
00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,400
Speaker 3: through what a portfolio is when you're referring to that.

84
00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,200
Speaker 2: Definitely. So when a party forms government, they take on

85
00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:58,120
Speaker 2: a responsibility for all areas that the federal government manages,

86
00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,839
Speaker 2: so things like foreign affairs, the economy, and it goes on.

87
00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,680
Speaker 2: These responsibilities are then kind of sectioned off into what

88
00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,080
Speaker 2: we call portfolios, which are then divided up among ministers.

89
00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,839
Speaker 3: So I've got a top line understanding here that Scott

90
00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:17,400
Speaker 3: Morrison swore himself as an extra minister on five different portfolios,

91
00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,320
Speaker 3: each with their own minister, so he was co minister.

92
00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it wasn't in place of that minister. It's

93
00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,200
Speaker 2: not like the ministers lost their job but didn't know it.

94
00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,760
Speaker 2: It was that there was kind of this backup minister

95
00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,960
Speaker 2: as well as the front facing or the public facing minister.

96
00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,320
Speaker 3: I'm really struggling to get my head around why he

97
00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:35,880
Speaker 3: would do this, what's the reason?

98
00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,000
Speaker 2: Well, we got a bit of an understanding from Scott

99
00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:43,160
Speaker 2: Morrison himself yesterday. He both spoke to Ben Fordham on

100
00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,240
Speaker 2: TGB Radio and set out to explain his reasons in

101
00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:50,200
Speaker 2: a very long Facebook post So this post started by saying,

102
00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,560
Speaker 2: the devastating impacts of the COVID nineteen pandemic and associated

103
00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,760
Speaker 2: recession required an unprecedented policy response from our government.

104
00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:00,920
Speaker 3: So it was a COVID based decision.

105
00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,680
Speaker 2: Well, he's saying that information and advice changed daily, even hourly.

106
00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,760
Speaker 2: Meetings with ministers were constant, and the risk of them

107
00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,479
Speaker 2: becoming sick or hospitalized was very real. He mentioned this

108
00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,120
Speaker 2: in the two GB interview as well. He basically said

109
00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,040
Speaker 2: that the government was in a fragile state.

110
00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,320
Speaker 5: We had ministers back in March who went down with

111
00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,760
Speaker 5: COVID and Peter Dutton was out for some time, and

112
00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:29,640
Speaker 5: so we were dealing with quite extraordinary circumstances. We had

113
00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,360
Speaker 5: to take some extraordinary measures to put safeguards in place.

114
00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,960
Speaker 3: Okay, so he used the COVID pandemic to justify many

115
00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,680
Speaker 3: of the ministries he swore himself into. I understand the

116
00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,560
Speaker 3: link there between something like Health or even Treasury, but

117
00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,520
Speaker 3: what's the story with resources then?

118
00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, So this is the one time that we know

119
00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,080
Speaker 2: of Morrison actually stepping up and taking action in that role.

120
00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,680
Speaker 2: With the other portfolios, he said to the public that

121
00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,359
Speaker 2: he didn't actually take any action. It was more that

122
00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,560
Speaker 2: he was there in a shadow cap in case something happened,

123
00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,360
Speaker 2: but with resources it's different. What we know at least

124
00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,120
Speaker 2: is that in this case he intervened in a decision

125
00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:12,080
Speaker 2: related to Pep eleven, which is a controversial drilling project

126
00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,000
Speaker 2: off the coast of New South Wales, and he ultimately

127
00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,600
Speaker 2: used the power that he had given himself in allocating

128
00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:23,080
Speaker 2: that portfolio to block the Pepper eleven gas exploration license.

129
00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,200
Speaker 2: So he went against what Keith Pitt, who was his

130
00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:30,120
Speaker 2: Resources Minister at the time, wanted to do and actually

131
00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:31,200
Speaker 2: blocked that license.

132
00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,720
Speaker 3: Right. So, I think the question this raised for us

133
00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,080
Speaker 3: yesterday in the newsroom as we watch this unfold in

134
00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,240
Speaker 3: front of our eyes, was why the Prime Minister was

135
00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,240
Speaker 3: even allowed to do this, but more so was it legal?

136
00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,480
Speaker 2: Well, this deals into the realm of constitutional law, which

137
00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,520
Speaker 2: funnily enough, is not my area of expertise. So I

138
00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,080
Speaker 2: decided to take some of our questions to constitutional law

139
00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,040
Speaker 2: expert and former law professor of yours sam.

140
00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,760
Speaker 3: A much adored law professor.

141
00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,679
Speaker 2: You Professor George Williams. Okay, so let's start at the beginning.

142
00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,160
Speaker 2: Is there a precedent for what we understand Scott Morrison

143
00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:07,640
Speaker 2: has done.

144
00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,840
Speaker 6: No, I'm not aware of one. We've certainly had instances

145
00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,000
Speaker 6: where we've had acting ministers, people have been incapacitated, people

146
00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,680
Speaker 6: have had to fill the gap, But a prime minister

147
00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,720
Speaker 6: actually doubling up on the portfolios of his own cabinet,

148
00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,680
Speaker 6: I've never heard of that, and frankly it's a bit

149
00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,400
Speaker 6: shocking it's even happened. It does indicate a real lack

150
00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,679
Speaker 6: of trust in those ministers. And even if it did happen,

151
00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,119
Speaker 6: you would certainly expect it to be made public because

152
00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,080
Speaker 6: one of the very basic and fundamental rules is that

153
00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,199
Speaker 6: the community in Parliament deserve to know who their ministers are.

154
00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:41,439
Speaker 2: And so it wasn't published, as is usually the convention.

155
00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:46,120
Speaker 2: But also the ministers who were having someone else do

156
00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,080
Speaker 2: their job as well weren't told. Was it legal.

157
00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,400
Speaker 6: I think it's likely to be legal because there are

158
00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:56,040
Speaker 6: so few rules surrounding this, and I mean the law

159
00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,680
Speaker 6: says that the Governor General appoints ministers, so if that

160
00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,079
Speaker 6: was bypassed, and there was some doubt about that early,

161
00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,480
Speaker 6: maybe if the Prime Minister had sought to appoint himself,

162
00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,920
Speaker 6: that wouldn't be legal. But in the end, the Governor

163
00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,600
Speaker 6: General has made a statement saying that he did make

164
00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:10,920
Speaker 6: these appointments on the advice of the Prime Minister. So

165
00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,480
Speaker 6: I think that's very likely to clarify the law issue,

166
00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,280
Speaker 6: and instead it gets this into territory. Was it wise?

167
00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,080
Speaker 6: And what are the broader implications of this?

168
00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,599
Speaker 2: And can you explore what you think the broader implications

169
00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:24,240
Speaker 2: of this might be.

170
00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,400
Speaker 6: Well, I think it goes to the heart of a

171
00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,600
Speaker 6: lot of big concepts in how we're governed, and one

172
00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,280
Speaker 6: of them is just accountability. We have a responsible form

173
00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:38,040
Speaker 6: of government, a democratic parliamentary form of government, and what

174
00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,600
Speaker 6: that entails is that ministers come out of Parliament and

175
00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:45,080
Speaker 6: Parliament in turn holds those ministers accountable through question time

176
00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,120
Speaker 6: and other measures. But that assumes that Parliament knows who

177
00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,040
Speaker 6: the ministers are. There's been some strong reactions to this,

178
00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,600
Speaker 6: but I can really understand why it goes to the

179
00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,160
Speaker 6: heart of how we're governed and that idea of good

180
00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:58,200
Speaker 6: accountable governance.

181
00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,960
Speaker 2: Do you believe that it undermines democracy?

182
00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,440
Speaker 6: Yes, it does because if nothing else, we don't know

183
00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,880
Speaker 6: who is exercising the power. And it's a big thing

184
00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,719
Speaker 6: to say it undermines democracy. But to be frank, democracy

185
00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:15,800
Speaker 6: doesn't function without transparency, and in particular, you need transparency

186
00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,160
Speaker 6: as to who the ministers are because they are the

187
00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,360
Speaker 6: peak figures the key points of power being exercised in

188
00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:27,920
Speaker 6: our democracy under law, advising the governor general. And again

189
00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,160
Speaker 6: you could imagine if everything is kept secret, democracy just

190
00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,560
Speaker 6: can't function. So there's a really basic problem here and

191
00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,840
Speaker 6: that's why it's not a surprise to see not only

192
00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:42,240
Speaker 6: the government coming out and exhibiting concern, but even Scott

193
00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,559
Speaker 6: Morrison's own ministers being shocked at what happened because it

194
00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:47,240
Speaker 6: so runs against the grain.

195
00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting. I'm curious to know if you think

196
00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,760
Speaker 2: something should be enshrined in the Constitution on whatever it

197
00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,920
Speaker 2: might be, to ensure transparency so that something like this

198
00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:59,040
Speaker 2: couldn't happen again.

199
00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:03,640
Speaker 6: Well or two ago would have said no, I mean really,

200
00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,199
Speaker 6: I mean it's a common sense that this justice wouldn't happen.

201
00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:10,720
Speaker 6: And we have conventions because they set out clear rules

202
00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:12,760
Speaker 6: that you don't need to put into law because it's

203
00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,480
Speaker 6: just so accepted that people would follow them. And one

204
00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,719
Speaker 6: of those conventions is yes, you will tell people who

205
00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,400
Speaker 6: their ministers are. But having gone through this experience and

206
00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:25,520
Speaker 6: also noting how conventions are really being eroded around the world,

207
00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,160
Speaker 6: the US and other places. I think you've got to

208
00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,520
Speaker 6: learn your lesson from this, and that is legislate for

209
00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,439
Speaker 6: transparency and a simple rule that says whenever a minister

210
00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:38,120
Speaker 6: is appointed parliament must be notified within a week or

211
00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,040
Speaker 6: a few days. That would be prudent. I think to

212
00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,280
Speaker 6: do that, even if we frankly shouldn't need to do so.

213
00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,360
Speaker 2: What a difference to day makes. Thank you so much

214
00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:48,600
Speaker 2: for your time, George Pleasure.

215
00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,320
Speaker 3: Can I ask you a question, Yeah, Zara, why do

216
00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,600
Speaker 3: you think this story has resonated so deeply with so

217
00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:55,560
Speaker 3: much of the country.

218
00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,800
Speaker 2: I think that the reason people are so angry about

219
00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,680
Speaker 2: this story is because it goes to this central idea

220
00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:07,120
Speaker 2: of trust and accountability. A federal Eyekak, for example, was

221
00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,520
Speaker 2: one of the main policy platforms that Labor and certainly

222
00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,680
Speaker 2: some Independence and Greens went to.

223
00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:13,600
Speaker 3: The last election with.

224
00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:15,960
Speaker 2: It all goes to this idea that this is bigger

225
00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,920
Speaker 2: than just the Liberal Party. It is about our system

226
00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:19,520
Speaker 2: at large.

227
00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,560
Speaker 3: I'm really getting that sense that there's something bigger at

228
00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,200
Speaker 3: play here and people are really thinking about the bigger

229
00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,360
Speaker 3: idea of democracy rather than the person at the center

230
00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,120
Speaker 3: of it. And you could really sub in Scott Morrison

231
00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,720
Speaker 3: with anyone on either side of the political spectrum and

232
00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,439
Speaker 3: I think we'd probably see the same reaction.

233
00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,280
Speaker 2: We heard Karen Andrews yesterday, who is a member of

234
00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,320
Speaker 2: the Coalition and a very senior one that calling for

235
00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:46,000
Speaker 2: Scott Morrison's resignation, and the fact that it is somebody

236
00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,040
Speaker 2: in his own party who is calling for him to

237
00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:52,400
Speaker 2: resign shows that this goes beyond politics, and goes beyond

238
00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,760
Speaker 2: party politics certainly to another level of how should our

239
00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:59,959
Speaker 2: democracy run? How should accountability and transparency form the founder

240
00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:09,439
Speaker 2: of our political system.

241
00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,679
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us on the Daily OZ. If you

242
00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,599
Speaker 3: learn something from today's episode, don't forget to hit subscribe

243
00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:17,520
Speaker 3: so that when you wake up in the morning there's

244
00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,400
Speaker 3: a TDA episode waiting for you as you roll out

245
00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,679
Speaker 3: of bed. We'll be back again tomorrow. Until then, have

246
00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:24,560
Speaker 3: a great day.

247
00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,920
Speaker 2: I have like wake up feeling like Peek Didy in

248
00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,199
Speaker 2: my head when you said that that's cool in

249
00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,400
Speaker 1: The morning, feeling like pee did