1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: The Wiggles acknowledged the traditional custodians of country throughout Australia 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: and their connections to land, see and community. We pay 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: our respects to elders, past, present and emerging. 4 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 2: Welcome to Wiggle Talk, a podcast for parents. I'm Simon Price, 5 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 2: I'm the Red Wiggle. 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 3: And I'm Blocky Gillespie and I'm the Purple Wiggle. Hello Locky, 7 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 3: Hello Simon. Do you remember this? Cookobar? Is it some 8 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 3: the old country? 9 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: Mary? 10 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 3: Mary King of the window? Did you choose? 11 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 2: Oh? 12 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 3: Well, we always go to one. 13 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 2: We're talking about play School. Yes, you know, I didn't 14 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 2: watch a lot of Play School as a child. Okay, 15 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 2: I'd be a square window guy, just because it's even 16 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 2: sides and I'm very much things being even and in line, 17 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 2: so i'd be a square window guy. What about you? 18 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 3: There was a diamond, wasn't there back in the day. 19 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 3: I don't know if there's a diamond anymore. 20 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 2: Let's say yes, you're a diamond, got diamond. 21 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 3: But yeah, I loved Play School and the presenters that 22 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 3: we knew and just such a good show. But we're 23 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,279 Speaker 3: going there today. We're going to play School. 24 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 2: Yeah we are, we are, And you know I mean, 25 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 2: it's what we try to achieve with Wiggles. You end 26 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 2: up in people's lounge rooms and you know, Play School 27 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 2: has been part of families lives for so so many years, 28 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 2: and people have this like they do with the Wiggles, 29 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 2: this nostalgia, this time of innocence in your life as 30 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: a child, where you're connected with these presenters or these 31 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 2: children's entertainers, and it holds such a special place in 32 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 2: your heart. Yep. 33 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 3: And today we are joined by two of the absolute 34 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 3: icons of Australian childhood, Philip cost and Nony Hazelhurst, former 35 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 3: Play School presenters. We're going to talk to them about 36 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 3: something that parents are craving right now. Calm, simple, low 37 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 3: pressure ways to connect with their children. 38 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 2: Because for a lot of millennial parents, Play School wasn't well, 39 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 2: it wasn't just a TV show. It was the background 40 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 2: music for our childhood. He was a feeling of safety, 41 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 2: the pace, the warmth, all those those great cardboard creations 42 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 2: and the weird little magic of someone talking directly to 43 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 2: you through the screen. 44 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 3: You'll know Philip quast as the actor and the unmistakable 45 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 3: voice and there it is from Play School, the theme, 46 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 3: but also from the stage. He is one of Australia's 47 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 3: most celebrated music theater performers, including playing Javert in Lemmiserams 48 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 3: and he has won it incredible that he's underneath it. 49 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 3: He has won an incredible three Olivier Awards for Best 50 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 3: Actor in a Musical, which is basically theater royalty status. 51 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, and none. Hazelhurst, well, she's one of 52 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 2: Australia's most beloved screen and stage performers, with decades across 53 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 2: children's TV and drama, including her long run on Place School. 54 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: She's a four time AFI Award winner and has also 55 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 2: received multiple theater honors. In other words, she's an absolute 56 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 2: national treasure. 57 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,239 Speaker 3: She sure is. And we're going to indulge in some 58 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 3: play school reminiscing what it was like in the golden 59 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 3: era of the eighties and nineties and how they got 60 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 3: the job, what it felt like being the faces of 61 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 3: the show and behind the scenes moments, the low tech chaos, 62 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 3: the cardboard miracles and the stuff that never made. 63 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: It to air. But we're also using that nostalgia as 64 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 2: a doorway into something genuinely helpful for parents now, because 65 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 2: what Playschool did so brilliantly without making a big deal 66 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 2: about it was to teach early childhood fundamentals, how to 67 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 2: hold a child's attention gently, how to slow things down, 68 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 2: and how to make one child feel seen, and how 69 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 2: to bring warmth without performing. 70 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 3: NONI and Philip a very big welcome to Wiggle Talk. 71 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you a lot of our audience. I 72 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 3: think will have such beautiful memories of watching play school 73 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 3: and I thought that might be a lovely place to see. 74 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 3: But firstly, I'd just like to say thank you to 75 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 3: you both for joining us. You were both legends of 76 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 3: Australian screen and stage. And he is a real thrill 77 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 3: to be talking to you today, So thank you for 78 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 3: joining us. 79 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 4: It's a thrill for us to get to see each other. 80 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 4: We don't get to see each other very often. 81 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is so special it is. Could you take 82 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 3: us maybe start there for our audience. What kind of 83 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,559 Speaker 3: memories do you have of really early place, cool days? 84 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 3: And when did you two meet each other? 85 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 4: Well? I started in seventy eight, When did you start film? 86 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 5: I started eighty one? 87 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 4: Was an old hand. 88 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 2: Then you would have given him a hard time when 89 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 2: he started. 90 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I didn't have to. He gave himself a 91 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 4: hard enough. 92 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 2: Time, so nothing's changed there. Then. 93 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 4: Well, when we started, I really just saw it as 94 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 4: a job. I was glad to have a job, a 95 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 4: part time job in the business, and you know, I 96 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 4: had really no idea what it was about or who 97 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 4: it was for. It was just a way to show 98 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 4: that I could sing and do silly voices and you know, 99 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 4: just start to build up a body of work. I 100 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 4: had no idea that twenty four years later it would 101 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 4: have changed my life, that's for sure. 102 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 5: Here we go, and this is not being sick a fanic, 103 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 5: but one of the reasons I did it was because 104 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 5: of Nonie. Because I'd been at South Australian Theater Company 105 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 5: in nineteen eighty I think it was nineteen eighty and 106 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 5: I drove up for a weekend to see Man from 107 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 5: Mucking Up and at the Sydney Theater Company in which 108 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 5: Nonie was in. We all left on a Saturday morning, 109 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 5: came up to see the show, drove from Adelaide straight through, 110 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 5: saw the show Saturday night, then drove back to Adelaide 111 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 5: after the show. Because I was a fan, because I'd 112 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 5: seen Nonie and Monkey Grip and so for me, I 113 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 5: was excited to join play school because I was enamored 114 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 5: of Nonie as an actor. 115 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 4: Thank you. 116 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 2: Wow. 117 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 3: Was it an audition process for you both? 118 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh yeah. People don't realize it's a thirty 119 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 4: two page script or it was. There was no TOQ 120 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 4: and the audition was like a mini play school. When 121 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 4: I did it. You had to do a couple of 122 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 4: songs and a make of something and tell a little 123 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 4: story and they would add lib a little bit, you know, 124 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 4: to throw you off if they thought you had a 125 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 4: few chops, which they did to me. Yeah, And so, 126 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 4: you know, everyone and their dog wanted the job because 127 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 4: it was that sort of job. Was the difference between 128 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 4: you doing something within the industry as a part time 129 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 4: earner or working in a call center or driving taxis 130 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 4: or you know, something like that. So everyone wanted to 131 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 4: be on play School. So it was a pretty strict 132 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 4: audition process. 133 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 2: And so it was a part time job. So did 134 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 2: you just film in blocks like week blocks? 135 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, we did. We would rehearse a shower in the 136 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 4: morning and then a week later we would tape it 137 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 4: in the morning. So if you had you might have 138 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 4: you know, morning afternoon, morning afternoon morning. That was a 139 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 4: week's worth and we could do a themed week at 140 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 4: a time. 141 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 5: Yes, you tend to do five, so you'd rehearse the 142 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 5: week before. And of course you had to learn every 143 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 5: camera shop within that script, didn't you to know which ones? 144 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? 145 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 4: It was recorded as live then, not in segments, which 146 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 4: it is now you. 147 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 2: Say it was scripted. But if things went a little awry, 148 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 2: which I'm sure they did at times, was that something 149 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 2: you just had to work your way back in or 150 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 2: you could cut, you could stop, I mean maybe, depending 151 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 2: on what it was. But was that part of the 152 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: enjoyment of and part of the. 153 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 4: Thrill If you couldn't possibly get out of it in 154 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 4: any way you had to swear. They would not stop 155 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 4: tape unless you set a swear word because they wanted 156 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 4: your model problem solving and for us to be regular 157 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 4: human beings, not perfect. 158 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 5: So I did go, you know, and I think that's 159 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 5: the whole point of not stopping, is that when you 160 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 5: find things became difficult, you had to play your way 161 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 5: out of it, which is exactly what life is. You 162 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 5: had to find our sense of humor. You might be terrified, 163 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 5: but it couldn't kill you. So when you got into trouble, 164 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 5: you just literally played like the playground, you fall over, 165 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 5: you get up and keep going. 166 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 4: And also, you know, for a lot of little children, 167 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 4: if something, if they break something, sometimes they can be 168 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 4: really in trouble and be very frightened to do anything 169 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 4: wrong or you know, it sets up a whole fear reflex. 170 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 4: Whereas if you break something and you go, oh, well, 171 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 4: you know, what can we do with this, it's not 172 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 4: as dramatic, it's not as fear inducing in a way. 173 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 3: The original play School was so much when we started, 174 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 3: we had a whole lots of lessons about how to 175 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 3: speak to camera. But I'm just interested only from when 176 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 3: you said it was kind of just at the start, 177 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 3: just work for you. Deb was that a real push 178 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 3: from play School itself on how to speak to camera? 179 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 3: And because you did it so beautifully play school has 180 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 3: forever did. Was that hard for your Is that did 181 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 3: that take a little bit to kind of get at 182 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 3: your head? 183 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 2: Around us? 184 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 4: They always said to us, you know that the camera 185 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 4: is one child. So it was it was always very direct, 186 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 4: and you know that worked and the child would respond 187 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 4: because they were being communicated with. But I didn't really 188 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 4: get it for a long time until working with John 189 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 4: Hamblin a lot who in my sort of prim and 190 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 4: proper need to perform really well mode. I thought he 191 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 4: was a bit slack because he often would forget things 192 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 4: or ad lib a little bit within the confines of 193 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 4: the script. And then I saw an episode back with 194 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 4: him and I together, and I couldn't take my eyes 195 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 4: off him. Wow, And I realized that he wasn't playing 196 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 4: a role, he was being himself. And that was revelatery 197 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 4: because I thought I had to perform really nicely and 198 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 4: make up what I perceived as his shortcomings and be 199 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 4: incredibly dully and who cares. You know, a three year 200 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 4: old is just going to go, oh, yeah, whatever, because 201 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 4: they've got infallible bullshit detectors and they know when you're 202 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 4: putting it on. And I saw what was required, which 203 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 4: was for me to be a version of myself but myself. 204 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 2: Yes, I understand that too. 205 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 5: But first of all, the amazing thing is that about 206 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,719 Speaker 5: it is that you're actually the children are looking at 207 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 5: you at an eye level which they write in the eye, 208 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,719 Speaker 5: which they don't do. Their whole life is looking up 209 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 5: to someone who's overpowering them. They come into a space 210 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 5: where no and are playing, so they presume we're playing 211 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 5: all day and they come to join you and you 212 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 5: welcome them in. But for me, I spent that first 213 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 5: year watching like a hawk because I was in that 214 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 5: same position where I'd start to perform, and I didn't 215 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 5: know what my character was, and it took me a 216 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 5: while to work out what my inner child was. And 217 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 5: I think I'd spent so much time as a young person. 218 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 5: My parents required us all to put on a good face, 219 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 5: you know, to behave well and to give the best 220 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 5: version of ourselves to the outer world. And what I 221 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 5: realized that play school allowed me to be the persona 222 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 5: I found was the child in me that wanted to 223 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 5: be naughty, and I get carried away and excited. No 224 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 5: one you would have to say, sometimes came down, Come down, Philip, 225 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 5: because I developed something when I'd sing and jump around, 226 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 5: I'd literally get so excited I couldn't stop laughing, and 227 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 5: I hadn't been allowed to do that often as a kid. 228 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 5: So that honesty for me became me, that's the kid 229 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 5: that can be a little bit naughty, and that's what 230 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 5: I learned to explore on film on camera. 231 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 2: Did you then feel like you could take some of 232 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 2: that into your own personal life? Philip, when you became 233 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 2: a parent and you had your own children, I mean 234 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 2: there's obviously there's you've got to said boundaries and all 235 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 2: that sort of thing, But did you find that playfulness 236 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 2: within yourself with your own children? Oh? 237 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 5: Absolutely. I spent my whole time as a result of 238 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 5: play school making up songs to my boys. I made 239 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 5: up songs to teach them how to wei and the 240 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 5: toilet and how to flush the poo down. So instead 241 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 5: of commuting to give us an example, Philip, you know, 242 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 5: we do a poo and the toilet, and I'd say, 243 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 5: let's sing a song about flushing mister blippy bloppy down 244 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 5: the shoot you know me seeing or when it was bathtime, 245 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 5: I would make up songs like I'd say, come on 246 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 5: bath time, and they wouldn't move until I sang nudy 247 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 5: rudy rudy rudy, nudy doody rudy, really become the clothes. 248 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 2: I have a strange sensation come all over me as 249 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 2: well right now. But I think that's really important, isn't it. 250 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 2: And you don't need to be a performer to feel 251 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 2: like you can do that with your children. Any parent 252 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 2: can do that, make play on words, have playful time 253 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 2: and experience that with their child. You don't need to 254 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 2: know how to sing, you don't need to know how 255 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 2: to act. You can just do that absolutely. 256 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 4: And I think it's really important that we remember, as 257 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 4: you say, Philip, you know that inner child that was 258 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 4: taught from a very early age, a preschool age, as 259 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 4: you say, to behave, don't be silly, don't cry, don't 260 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 4: don't don't, don't don't. And yet most vast majority of 261 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 4: children are born empathetic, and they're born with a sense 262 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 4: of equality. No one's different, but we take them systematically, 263 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 4: through whatever influence, to be something inauthentic, to be someone 264 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 4: other than themselves in order to be acceptable. So play 265 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 4: school in its heyday. I guess, for two half hours 266 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:04,319 Speaker 4: twice a day, five days a week before streaming, that 267 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 4: child had the unconditional love and non judgmental acceptance of 268 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 4: two adults. And I know through the work I've done 269 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 4: with children subsequently that for a lot of children, we 270 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 4: were the nicest people adults that they had contact with. 271 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 5: I remember, knowing you're telling me the story about that 272 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 5: traumatic thing about coming to school and having to be 273 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 5: sat in the corner, how that affected your life, you know. 274 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I skipped out to the front desk to replace 275 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 4: the book I've been reading with another one instead of 276 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 4: walking and was sat in a corner with the Duncers 277 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 4: hat on. When I was five, probably, you know, So 278 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 4: the shame of that, Luckily I had very supportive parents, 279 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,599 Speaker 4: so it didn't, you know, fill me with trauma for 280 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 4: the rest of my life. But I'll never forget it. 281 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 4: I'll never forget shame of just being a child. 282 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 2: And that's a feeling, isn't it. That isn't it interesting 283 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 2: how that does stay with you, that it's a feeling 284 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 2: of shame. It's not about the hat, it's not about 285 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 2: it's actually that feeling that you have to take with 286 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 2: you your life. 287 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, that was probably the first time I felt that 288 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 4: sort of embarrassment too, so that sticks that even more. 289 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, And also, you spend the first four or five 290 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 5: years of your life, your parents are so excited by 291 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 5: the fact that every day a new word comes and 292 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 5: it grows exponentially. Language comes, it's a miracle. And then 293 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 5: all of a sudden you get to school and it 294 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 5: becomes confusing because she told us sit down and shut 295 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 5: up and not talk. And of course asking questions and 296 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 5: talking is it's tiring for a parent, but that's sort 297 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 5: of how you learn. And I'm still traumatized. I'll never 298 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 5: forget at twelve years of age, when I went to 299 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 5: high school, the teacher that said to me, cost, I'm 300 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 5: going to send your parents a sympathy card. If your 301 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 5: tongue was tied to your pen, you'd be finished hours ago. 302 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 5: Remember those things and they stay with you because you're 303 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 5: punished for the process of who you are, for who 304 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 5: you are. 305 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 2: I assume that still happens in schools today. I guess 306 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 2: to counteract that a little bit, we need to have 307 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 2: that play at home. We need to find those moments 308 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 2: where we're playing with language that children are allowed to 309 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 2: be free and allowed to express themselves and explore different 310 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 2: things if they're not necessarily getting in that school environment. 311 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you can't depend on the preschool or the 312 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 4: school to do the work that you should be doing 313 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 4: at home. And I think particularly since COVID, when we 314 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 4: were more reliant on screens than ever and a lot 315 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 4: of young children were growing up without seeing people's faces. 316 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 4: So there's a lot of speech development difficulties now as 317 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 4: a result of that. So you know, to remind ourselves 318 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 4: how important human connection is. I think is more important 319 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 4: now than ever. And you know, even if you're connecting 320 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 4: by saying, mummy's really tired, can we sit down and 321 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 4: have a cuddle because I need a cuddle. You know, 322 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 4: it's a human interaction as opposed to just sit down 323 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 4: and watch this, you know, which has become the regards 324 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 4: that's become currency now and that really really concerns me 325 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 4: that that's you know that so many parents don't remember 326 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 4: laughter without screens. And this is a very modern experiment, 327 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 4: you know, all this connectivity so called as opposed to 328 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 4: human interaction. So we yet to see the outcome, but 329 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 4: it's not looking great. 330 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 5: When we first did playschool and there was no streaming, 331 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 5: play school was on at nine point thirty. So what 332 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 5: it happened, whether it's a mother or father at home, 333 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 5: the school run had been done, all the getting ready 334 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 5: for school had been done, and at nine point thirty 335 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 5: you drop the other child off to school, you came down. 336 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 5: It was a chance for parents to sit down with 337 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 5: the child and just have that first cup of tea 338 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 5: and relax, you know, and sometimes it coincide with the 339 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 5: morning tea of the father out in the country, you 340 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 5: come in for morning tea and would watch Playschool with 341 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 5: the child. I think with television and streaming now the 342 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 5: children's program has become a babysitting tool. It's no longer 343 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 5: interactive with the parent watching and having the joy of 344 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 5: watching their children interact and interacting with those adults on television. 345 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 2: Well, I was thinking about this when I knew we 346 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 2: were chatting today about your time at play school. What 347 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 2: the world was then, where Australia had what five television 348 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 2: channels and everything was there was a time, so play 349 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 2: School's on at nine point thirty, and you knew everyone's excited. 350 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 2: Like you're saying, Philip, you go and you sit down 351 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 2: at that time and you'll watch to get that together 352 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 2: as an experience as a family. And like you're saying, 353 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 2: and now is streaming. The concept that you can't watch 354 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 2: what you want to watch, when you want to watch 355 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 2: It is just so foreign now to any child who's 356 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 2: growing up because everything is so immediate, which I'd love 357 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 2: to hear your thoughts on what that is doing to 358 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 2: our society, that immediacy where you don't need to wait 359 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 2: for anything anymore, it's all handed to you. When you 360 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 2: want it and when you're ready for it. And I've 361 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 2: just loved to thinking back on that time, your time 362 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 2: at play school, to what the world is now. Just 363 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 2: hear your understand your thoughts about that. 364 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 4: Well, I think what you said was interesting. When you're 365 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 4: ready for it, A four year old know when they're 366 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 4: ready for the content that they're seeing. And also when 367 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 4: we started, you know, older brothers and sisters, unless you 368 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 4: had a television in every room, they weren't watching things 369 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 4: that were inappropriate for a four year old to be exposed. 370 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 4: So there was much more control possible over the kind 371 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 4: of content that your child was being fed. And I 372 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 4: think unless we sit back and question that and say 373 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 4: what's been lost, you know what has been lost? 374 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 3: I mean, if. 375 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 4: Families can't connect with each other, if families can only 376 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 4: connect through screens and in ways like that, how are 377 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 4: nation's meant to get on together? You know, families are 378 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 4: breaking down all over the place because people are so 379 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:44,199 Speaker 4: absorbed by the content that they're accessing as opposed to 380 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 4: what's happening to the people around them. But one of 381 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 4: the most disturbing things I've seen lately was at an airport, 382 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 4: a man had a twelve month old child in a 383 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 4: sling facing him, and the child had its own device 384 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 4: on his chest. He was looking at his phone over 385 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 4: the child's head. But I just thought, what have we 386 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 4: come to? This child's facing here instead of facing the world. 387 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 4: I think it's just consciousness that's required. What are you 388 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 4: feeding this child? Presumably you given good food, are you 389 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 4: also giving them good culture or appropriate information? 390 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 2: Well? 391 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 5: As an acting teaching acting all love the place I 392 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 5: see one of the knock on effects is that acting 393 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 5: is all physical. You know, whether even if you're singing, 394 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,719 Speaker 5: it's a physical muscle, and if you're moving on stage 395 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 5: and you're picking up props, it's a physical thing. And 396 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 5: I can sort of see younger people now as actors 397 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 5: who when they get up to do something and they 398 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 5: haven't got the device in their hand, it's sort of 399 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 5: suddenly like not having a cigarette in your hand. You 400 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 5: don't know what to do with your body because so 401 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 5: much of your actual learning has come with it holding 402 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 5: on to a sort of physical prop. And you sort 403 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 5: of see it when someone's at the park pushing a swing, 404 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 5: a parent is actually looking at a device and pushing 405 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 5: the children and with one hand while they're looking at 406 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 5: the device. I don't think it's just children. I think 407 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 5: there has to be a discussion had where the loss 408 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 5: of physicality and it's affecting the way we communicate, and 409 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 5: I see it in television. It's why we actually like 410 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 5: watching DIY programs and cooking programs because you see people 411 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 5: working kinesthetically and doing physical things, you know, making things. 412 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 5: We still have that need, but at the same time, 413 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 5: there's a paradox in the fact that we're actually want 414 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 5: those programs and yet we don't know how to function 415 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 5: without that device literally in our hands. 416 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 2: With play school back when you're doing there's that real 417 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 2: time spent in waiting for a response. When you're talking 418 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 2: to the child, you're talking to the camera, you wait, 419 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 2: And I think we always remind ourselves here at the 420 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,239 Speaker 2: Wiggles are that wait time, how important that is, And 421 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 2: it's very easy to skip over that. And I think 422 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 2: that's a really important part of it for a child 423 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:10,199 Speaker 2: growing up, to allow them the time to comment, to speak, 424 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 2: to say something, and it's very easy to forget that. 425 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 4: One of the things I learned when I had my 426 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 4: own children, because I didn't have children when I started 427 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 4: play school, was that if I invited the child, would 428 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 4: you like to sing with me? I always assumed that 429 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 4: they'd say yes, of course. I having my own I 430 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 4: realized that they're just as likely to saying that, So 431 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 4: I had to accommodate that possibility in my response to 432 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 4: their imagined response to me. So you know, that was 433 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 4: a subtle shift, but I had to be real and go, oh, 434 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 4: you don't have to, you know, without saying that. But yeah, 435 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 4: I honestly thought that they I would have children who'd 436 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 4: go yes, mummy, no, mummy, three bags all moment. 437 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 3: We had a place called cassette in the car and 438 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 3: there's just songs pop up in your head, like the 439 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 3: most random time of you both singing, which is just 440 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 3: so beautiful. But what us for the parents listening who 441 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 3: are right in that era too? What was your favorite 442 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 3: song to sing? 443 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 5: Each of you? 444 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 3: Was there a real standout law Ning Nang. 445 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 5: Nong for me? 446 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 2: Oh? 447 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 4: Yes, we'd give sung in concert. Philip, I've seen you 448 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 4: sing it and it was fun to see with John 449 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 4: Hamlin because he never got the words right. 450 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 5: Benita was the same. I think she had to have 451 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 5: Q cards because we'd never sung a song so complicated. Actually, yeah, yes, let's. 452 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 4: Pay homage to the wonderful accompanies that we had Philip 453 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 4: for most of our time. Warren Carr, who was a 454 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,959 Speaker 4: character all of his own, and as we were taping 455 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 4: a live half hour, Warren was so supportive and so 456 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 4: jolly and inventive. You know, if you listened to what 457 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 4: he was doing, he'd play a little riff of something 458 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 4: from a well known musical that fitted in with the 459 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 4: you know, just incredible support and a joy to work 460 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 4: with him. He was amazing. 461 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 5: I can't count music one, two, three for I can't, 462 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 5: but Warren would make it very clear of when you 463 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 5: come in he was just because he'd be watching you 464 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 5: on the screen and he would breathe with you. He 465 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 5: was the greatest accompany. This wasn't he known he was? 466 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 4: Yes. He described John's favorite key as z Blunt. 467 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 3: I've had the joy. I did a storytime little segment 468 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 3: for play school, but wasn't Warrent. But just to explain 469 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 3: for the listeners, so the whole you had the cardboard 470 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 3: sets was the piano in the room, but just over 471 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 3: the other it was in the studio. In the studio, yeah, 472 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 3: so all being played live and you had to sing 473 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 3: and come in and time and and then remember your 474 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 3: thirty two pages of that's amazing, how cool to have 475 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 3: live piano? 476 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 2: That is we've tried that and didn't go well. 477 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 4: But I think the loss I think the loss of 478 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 4: that taping format as live has really cost the program 479 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 4: because now it's all shot in segments, so they'll do 480 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 4: all the stories for the then they'll do all these 481 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 4: and then they'll do it so not only costs more 482 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 4: because they have to edit it together, but everything's become 483 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 4: a bit perfect because there's no natural ebb and flow. 484 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 4: It's become a bit smiley and a bit glossy, whereas 485 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 4: ours was much more warts and all because it was 486 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 4: live and there was a real sense of here we 487 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 4: are it ebbs and flows and it comes to a 488 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 4: natural clothes I think that's a shame it wasn't broken, 489 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 4: so I don't know why they felt the need to 490 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 4: fix it. 491 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, Which it lends to what you were saying, Philipert 492 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 2: about finding that you then have the ability to find 493 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 2: yourself and you know through all that you become more 494 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 2: truthful to yourself within the work, which is and when 495 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 2: it's done in segments, it's harder to find that. Yeah. Interesting, Well, 496 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 2: you can't. 497 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,719 Speaker 4: Enjoy yourself the same way. Yeah, that doesn't come across 498 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 4: in the same way. 499 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,959 Speaker 5: Well, it's because you know, only saying you're aware of 500 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 5: that response. You've got to imagine the response to that 501 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 5: single child and the audience, and you realize that that 502 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 5: person is actually teaching you. And that's where the equality comes. 503 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 5: That as you're sometimes you'd sing a song one, two, three, 504 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 5: four and just slightly pretend you didn't know what came next, 505 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 5: and you can imagine the kid going five and they 506 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 5: go up, so you're reacting to oh, thank you. So 507 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 5: it's an interaction all the time. The other thing you 508 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 5: can't imagine is, you know we're playing when open. Why 509 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 5: I'd come inside his basecourt is that when you looked 510 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 5: up from what you were doing, you had to imagine 511 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 5: that a kid had gone, oh, it's NONI and Philip 512 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 5: and you, and that made you go, oh hello, So 513 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 5: you imagined all the time that they were talking to you. 514 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 5: I find that sort of fascinating, and now when I 515 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 5: watch it it feels a little flat. It's like watching 516 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 5: a painting that's got no perspective. I don't mean to 517 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 5: criticize it, but I sort of agree with Nnie that 518 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 5: that sort of slight, little naughtiness and danger is detectable. 519 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 5: It feels like listening to a track that has a 520 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 5: click track rather than something that ebbs and flows. 521 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 2: Have you two been back at all since you left 522 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 2: as regular presenters? I think it's sixty years this year. 523 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 2: Is that right? With play School? 524 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 4: I think so. 525 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 526 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 4: I went back ONCES after a couple of years in 527 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 4: twenty oh two. It had already started to change. The 528 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 4: main difference was when we were there, we were part 529 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 4: of the discussion that was held with the Early Education 530 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 4: Advisor and with the producers after the first two rehearsals, 531 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 4: where we all contributed on how it ways to make 532 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,439 Speaker 4: it better. The last time I did it, I was 533 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 4: with Andrew McFarland. Lovely Andrew and the talent us was 534 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 4: sent to a corner while those people discussed the script. 535 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 4: And I found that really disturbing because you know, I've 536 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 4: been there longer than any of them, and I've written 537 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 4: the play School, and yet I was being shunted away 538 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 4: while the powers that be decided on ways to make 539 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 4: it better, as if we had nothing to contribute. And 540 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 4: I said, oh, I can't do this, it's not what 541 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 4: it was. 542 00:26:55,520 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 5: Unfortunately well, I also just recently because it was a 543 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 5: big decision for me to make, and it's because I 544 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 5: think Don couldn't do it. I stepped in to do 545 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 5: the New Year's Eve celebrations at the Opera House, so 546 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 5: I came on and I had to think about it 547 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 5: a lot, but I did enjoy it, and then to 548 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 5: sing that little studio thing of all the anxiet at 549 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 5: the end, and it did come as a shop when 550 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 5: we recorded it because I couldn't see where the monitors were. 551 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 5: I felt I was being too energetic because it felt 552 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 5: when we recorded it, they said, oh, don't worry about it, 553 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 5: we'll edit it little later. And it was hard for me, 554 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 5: but I did enjoy it. I felt that persona come 555 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 5: back where I've got lost in playfulness. I don't know 556 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 5: whether I could do it now, although I think play 557 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 5: school it's very young and it's wonderful. And Andrew MacFarland 558 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 5: still occasionally does it, I think, but he looks like 559 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 5: Peter Panney's so young. But given that so many kids 560 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 5: are brought up by their grandparents, I would love to 561 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 5: see an eighty year old on play school and agism 562 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 5: because kids are so used to seeing older peace people 563 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 5: sixty or seventy year olds play with them. Now, I 564 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 5: don't see why it can't be more diverse in that way. 565 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. I mean, I think, I mean you 566 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 2: actually mentioned this, Philip with the Wiggles, from Anthony in 567 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 2: his sixties to myself in fifties, Lockie forward, we actually 568 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 2: cover all these different decades and generations. It's actually a 569 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 2: really lovely thing for children to experience and to see. 570 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 2: And you know, I understand exactly what you're saying there. 571 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 5: Well, I've seen the Wiggles concerts where, you know, amazing. 572 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 2: Where I can't keep up. 573 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 5: I was amazed at the lack of those live concerts. 574 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,120 Speaker 5: First of all, there were no phones. People weren't putting 575 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 5: their phones up because they were playing with their kids 576 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 5: and holding them and singing all the songs. And to 577 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 5: see Anthony and you up there playing to kids who 578 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 5: now are parents or grandparents is quite uplifting. 579 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 2: Do you ever reminisce about your time on play school 580 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 2: or just your work in general? Do you ever look 581 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 2: back at those times or firstly, okay, with Playschool, do 582 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 2: you look back and how do you feel when you 583 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,239 Speaker 2: look think back about that? Time of being presented as 584 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 2: a play school. 585 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 4: I just have a flood of memories of funny things 586 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 4: that happened and people I worked with, and the concerts, 587 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 4: the albums that we recorded. You know, it was twenty 588 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 4: four years of my life, and it really did give 589 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 4: me a path in terms of, you know, what can 590 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 4: I do to give back in return for the joy 591 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 4: and good luck that I've had in my life? And 592 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 4: it was to be an advocate for small children, because 593 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,239 Speaker 4: when I started play school, I thought kids were just 594 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 4: like an amorphous group. I had no idea of the 595 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 4: special needs of a preschooler, no idea at all. But 596 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 4: I was taught how important that age group is. It's 597 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 4: paramount in terms of a child's development. So I could 598 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 4: never have foreseen that. But I'm just forever grateful that 599 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 4: it was pointed out to me what the needs of 600 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 4: this age group is. When we started, there was barely 601 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 4: any merchandise for this age group. They weren't seen as 602 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 4: attractive consumers until like the Wiggles and bananas in pajamas. 603 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 4: I think we're amongst the first, you know, began to 604 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 4: realize that, yes, five year olds don't have buying power, 605 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 4: but all the people around them who love and support 606 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 4: them do and so merch started to be developed for 607 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 4: preschool children and that's when everything changed. But you know, 608 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 4: I still go back to the beauty of play School's 609 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 4: toys if you like that. They were always things that 610 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 4: were readily available to any child. We never assumed that 611 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 4: you had access to toys. We never assumed that you 612 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 4: had two parents that were man and a woman. We 613 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 4: never assumed any of those things. And so every child 614 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 4: could be equal on play School and they could attempt 615 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 4: what we were doing because it wasn't something they might 616 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 4: not have access to. 617 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 5: I remember doing some of a lot of those live 618 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 5: concerts and flying into will Peena Pound or something in 619 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 5: Assessino with Benita, and we would actually bring the toys 620 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 5: Big Ted, Little Ted, Jemima and Humpty with us, and 621 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 5: they weren't merchandised in those days. It was like John 622 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 5: Paul Jory Ringo arriving with that. Because the kids didn't 623 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 5: own those things. Those toys turned up as rock stars. 624 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 5: It was, of course, they were doubles, the original Little Ted. 625 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 5: I think they had doubles eventually because they had they 626 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 5: priceless those toys. I do remember singing It's so nice 627 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 5: to have a cuddle with the person that you love. 628 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 5: With that big Ted, it's my fondest, one of my 629 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 5: fondest memories, along with Speed three little speckled frogs. I 630 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 5: think when you cuddle that big Ted, he was the 631 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 5: only big Ted. 632 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 2: Wow. 633 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, didn't exist for anyone else. I do have other memories. 634 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 5: I mean there was I remember I did George's first one. 635 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 5: Benita was sick and they rang me up and said, look, 636 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 5: we've got no one to do it. Can you come 637 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 5: and fill in? And that was the first time the 638 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 5: two men had ever done it. And the ABC was 639 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 5: inundated with letters of complaint because they were promoting homosexuality. 640 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, same when I did it with another female. 641 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, yeah. 642 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 5: Oh yeah. 643 00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 2: We have Burton Annual ever again. 644 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 4: Remember we had an Italian themed week and we had 645 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 4: letters saying, you know, I don't want my kids learning 646 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 4: other languages and you know, all this foreign mark I mean, 647 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 4: no doubt written while they were drinking a cappuccino and 648 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 4: eating spaghetti BOLLEINAI. It was just staggering that some people 649 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 4: had nothing better to do than make these vacuous accusations. 650 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 3: It was extraordinary, just back on what you're saying any 651 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 3: quickly about the toys and no merchandise, But is that 652 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 3: one of the things behind all the like the handmade 653 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 3: sets and everything. Is that all the cardboard or the 654 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 3: cardboard and you made cardboard houses and the trees were 655 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 3: just cut out cardboard? 656 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 5: Was that Well, they. 657 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 4: Just wanted us to utilize things that were readily available 658 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 4: in most households. Yes, and to promote using your imagination 659 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 4: to multipurpose things and you know, making the most of 660 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 4: what you've got, which then became my philosophy doing better 661 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 4: homes and gardens. It wasn't about don't you wish you 662 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 4: had one of these? It was let's make the most 663 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 4: of what you've got. 664 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 2: I think we could all take that in our life. 665 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 2: Let's make the most of what we've got. Yeah, we 666 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 2: are very grateful to be able to chat with you 667 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 2: today and very grateful for the work that you do 668 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 2: and have both done, and in particular what we spoke 669 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 2: about today with play School and a lot of parents 670 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 2: now who are parents now who now having their own children, 671 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 2: but looking back at their time as children with this 672 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 2: fondness of their time watching you both on play School, 673 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 2: and I know there'll be a lot of our audience 674 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 2: who will be thinking back about that wonderful time as children, 675 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 2: that beautiful time with you two there at the helm 676 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 2: and guiding them through. And we are very grateful to 677 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 2: have spoken to you today. So thank you for coming on. 678 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 3: We will talk no pleasure. 679 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you both, and thank you Nnie, Thank 680 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 5: you Phil, Thank you Big Ted. 681 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 3: We've got to know Philip a bit coming to Wiggles. 682 00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:01,719 Speaker 3: But you can just see from just quality, intelligent, caring 683 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 3: people who have done that throughout their lives. Yeah, there's 684 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 3: no coincidence that they're incredibly successful. Just wonderful people who 685 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 3: have done so much for so much, both of them. 686 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, genuinely have a love and care for what they 687 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 2: do and the people around them. And no one you 688 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,359 Speaker 2: mentioned which we didn't get into, but the fact that 689 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 2: what place call gave her she wanted to give back 690 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,399 Speaker 2: and work with children, and we didn't quite get into 691 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 2: what that is. She has a book out which apparently 692 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 2: does go into some detail about that. But yeah, just 693 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 2: such wonderful, generous, genuine people who are extremely talented. And 694 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 2: I just loved the thought and the idea for all 695 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 2: parents just to think about that sense of play with 696 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,720 Speaker 2: their children. And it doesn't need to be crawling around 697 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 2: the floor being dinosaurs. It can literally be that one, two, three, 698 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 2: four and having a child, say five, you know, And 699 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 2: I think that's really important to remember. Play doesn't have 700 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 2: have to mean building castles and forts. It could be 701 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 2: something quite simple to play on. Words are just a 702 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 2: playful gesture. 703 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 3: And that you know their later stages of their career now, 704 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 3: but both of them are still so inquisitive, yeah, so 705 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 3: wanting to break it all apart. And that's what we've 706 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 3: Probably the thing I've learned from Philip the most since 707 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 3: he's come and helped us here at Wiggles is just 708 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 3: how much he looks into even the simplest of songs 709 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 3: and what you take away from that and the time 710 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 3: you take to pick it apart and. 711 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 2: Work it out and that's right, and the language you use, 712 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 2: the words you used, the way you phrase it, the 713 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,840 Speaker 2: way the rhyme happens, all those kinds of things to 714 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 2: make sure that the message is the right message is 715 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:44,720 Speaker 2: getting across for a child. 716 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,320 Speaker 3: Thank you, Nuni, and thank you Philip. 717 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,280 Speaker 2: Yes, thank you very much. And that's it for today, 718 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,240 Speaker 2: So thanks for listening. If you want to support the show. 719 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 2: Look a quick rating review like it goes a long way. 720 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,320 Speaker 2: It helps wiggle Talk show up for other parents. 721 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 3: Thank you for listening to wiggle Talk. It's a podcast 722 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 3: for parents. 723 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,320 Speaker 2: I'm sure is bye 724 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,439 Speaker 5: Mm hm m hmm