1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome to the first episode of Outspoken for 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Coming up on the show, why we need 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: to stop criticizing influencers who were using their platforms to 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: raise vital funds for the Australian bushfire relief efforts, Casual 5 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: Sexism on the Rise, find out how you can fight back, 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,959 Speaker 1: and the way New Zealand has revolutionized the Bachelorette. But first, 7 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: how was your New Year's Amy? My New Years was 8 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: pretty quiet. I spent it with you and Kate and 9 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: a few other people. But my New Year's resolution has 10 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: been all about flipping. So I've been doing this little 11 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: project where I start with ten dollars and so I 12 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: actually bought a Furby that was on Facebook marketplace of 13 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: vintage nineteen ninety nine. Ferby just flipped it today for 14 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: forty dollars. So that's a thirty dollar profit. But my 15 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: biggest profit of the New Year, and what I've been 16 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: astounded by is we went to the goul Wolf markets 17 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: and I bought a ten cent Cruela Deville. So I 18 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: bought two of them because I thought these might sell 19 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: for war. And guess how much I've for safe. I 20 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: don't know. When I saw it. I looked pretty tatty, 21 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: so I wasn't thinking you should get You could get 22 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: much for it, ten dollars each, that's a big turnaround. 23 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: But how many, practically, Gary Vee, how many of these 24 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: corilla devills can you get your hands on? There? Well, 25 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: we went back to the wolf markets this weekend and 26 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: the bloody guy who was selling all these figurines for 27 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: twenty cents wasn't there. So it's like he was some 28 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: kind of sick mirage. And for those who have listened 29 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: for a while, they might know that soap can be 30 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: quite negative. And I think one of your resolutions was 31 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: to be a bit more positive, or I was hoping 32 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: it was, but it seems that you've already going into 33 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: the negative. You announced, I think right on news day 34 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: that you were now going to be turning thirty one, 35 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: So I'm trying to be positive about it. And I 36 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 1: was thinking, okay, so that means it's been ten years 37 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: since I turned twenty one, and you know, obviously twenty 38 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: first of all the rage, why can't we have a 39 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: thirty first this year? Well it's thirtieth, let's have a 40 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: thirty first. What are you thinking for the thirty first? 41 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: A big party, lots of presents. For some reason, I 42 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: just assumed the thirty first would be back to a 43 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: kind of a childhood party. That be a good idea. 44 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: That's a good idea. Our other idea for our thirtieth 45 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: was for us to all dress young and everyone else 46 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,679 Speaker 1: to come old. So maybe we could incorporate that thing 47 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: as we didn't do it this last year. I don't know, 48 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: but you're trying to make the thirty first hip and cool. 49 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: That's true. Well, if anyone has any ideas, could they please? 50 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: You know, just DM so d me. I'm open to it. 51 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: At birthdays March fourteenth, so we have a couple of 52 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: months heading up to plan something. Well, we should probably 53 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: move on to our first topic, which is a serious one. 54 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 1: Our beautiful country is burning. So far, twenty two people 55 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: have lost their lives, half a billion native animals have 56 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: been killed, fifteen hundred homes have been destroyed, and fire 57 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: continues to burn through more than six million hectares of 58 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: land across Australia. Like never before, social media is providing 59 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: the world with a window to the crisis in a 60 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,559 Speaker 1: time when we need it. Most influencers, brands and celebrities 61 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: from around the world are using their platforms to raise 62 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: much needed funds. Yet as the days go on, frustration 63 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: seems to be boiling into anger, with trolls calling out 64 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: people in the public eye for perceivably not doing enough, 65 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: and as our feeds become flooded with relentless, heartbreaking images 66 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: of the devastation, we can't help but begin to feel 67 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: increasingly overwhelmed, helpless, and guilty for wanting to switch off. 68 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: To begin with, Sophie, how vital has social media been 69 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: in raising funds for the Australian bushfire crisis. Well, most 70 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: of our listeners are probably at an age where they 71 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: remember the Black Saturday bushfires in two thousand and nine, 72 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: and before now it was one of Australia's worst natural 73 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: disasters ever recorded. There was also the Ash Wednesday bushfires 74 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: which rage in South Australian Victoria in nineteen eighty three, 75 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: well before we were born, and closer to home in 76 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: South Australia, Amy, you and I are both reported on 77 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: the Pinary bushfires and I can't ever remember a time 78 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: when everyone has used social media to band together and 79 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: create some good out of such an awful situation. It's 80 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: been unprecedented what has been happening on social media. I 81 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: think what the most amazing thing has been is that 82 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: initially there were lots of reports that this news was 83 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: not hitting the global media, and I feel like a 84 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: lot of celebrities and influencers have actually done an amazing 85 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: job in getting this recognized. Because there was all those 86 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: memes going up about how the Amazon fire had only 87 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: burnt x amount of hectares and if you compare it 88 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: to the bushfires in Australia, it was such a small amount, 89 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: but we can all remember how much coverage that was 90 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: receiving and I suppose as Australians we felt as if 91 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: we were being forgotten. But with all these influencers getting 92 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 1: on board, we've seen the likes of huge celebrities like 93 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian, Pink, Kendall, Jowner, everybody sharing about the bushfires. 94 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: And in return, there has been millions and millions of 95 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,559 Speaker 1: dollars donated, not just by every day people but also 96 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: by the celebrities. So can you run us through some 97 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: of the big donations. Well, people are calling on comedians 98 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: celest bar But to be the new Prime minister after 99 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: what she has done. So on Friday, the comedian launched 100 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: an online fundraising page on Facebook which has now brought 101 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: in more than thirty million dollar dollars for bush fire 102 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: victims and firefighters, and many of the donations have come 103 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: from her substantial international following. So she has more than 104 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: one point eight million followers on Facebook and six point 105 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 1: five million on Instagram and most of them come from 106 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: all different parts of the world, so that was quite 107 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: integral in raising the profile of the Australian bushfires. Miley 108 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: Cyrus donated three million dollars to a foundation that allocate 109 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: supplies to firefighters as well as other foundations which are 110 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 1: helping our native animals, and that was pretty incredible. But 111 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 1: then you do reflect on the fact she, you know, 112 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: was married to an Australian and has lived in our 113 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: country for a number of years. On a good on 114 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: her it's amazing. Nicole Kidman has donated five hundred thousand 115 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,799 Speaker 1: dollars and currently her and Keith Urban's house is under threat, 116 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: which is really upsetting. We've also had Pink donate five 117 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars, Magnusca, Bouncy and the egg Boy I 118 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: don't even know what his real name is. They've raised 119 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 1: forty thousand dollars, and it was quite unusual for them 120 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 1: to come together in that way. And then we've just 121 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: saw Magna and Kimmy Kay. Maybe that's right. We've also 122 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: had The Wiggles recently announced that they're doing an over 123 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: eighteen fundraiser event to raise money. And as well as 124 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: these huge celebrities, there's been a number of influencers who 125 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: have used their power and platform for good. We've had 126 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: Mitchell Orvil, who is the son of Angry Dad, and 127 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: he created a shirt that said it's time to help 128 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: there is no planet B and one hundred percent of 129 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: proceeds of that shirt have gone to charities helping in 130 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: the bush fire efforts and that's raised over two hundred 131 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,559 Speaker 1: and seventy three thousand dollars. We've had Sarah's Day raised 132 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: two hundred thousand dollars from giving all proceeds from her ebooks. 133 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: I thought it was quite entrepreneurial, the skills of an 134 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: LA model who decided to raise money for the bushfires 135 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: by sending fans nudes who would donate money. I mean, 136 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: normally I probably would frown upon that, but you know why, 137 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: it's for a good Cause's good on you. Well, she 138 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: is from LA and she was kind of shocked that 139 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: it wasn't receiving the press that it should have been 140 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: in America. So she wanted to find a way that 141 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: she could help, and it raised over one hundred thousand dollars. 142 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: So she I'll sent a newd to every person who 143 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: donated at least ten dollars to any of the fundraisers, 144 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: and she has. She received nineteen thousand retweets, nearly thirty 145 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: seven thousand likes, and she has helped raise one hundred 146 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: thousand dollars so far. There was one person in particular 147 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: who sent a whopping five thousand US dollars in exchange 148 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: for fifty photos and videos, so they were either very 149 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: much for the cause or very much for the photos. 150 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: Do you get a tax refund for donating that way? 151 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, apparently this model, though, she now 152 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: wants to start a foundation to help raise money in 153 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: that way for other causes. So, I mean, I suppose 154 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,119 Speaker 1: if it's doing good. I've also noticed in my insta 155 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: feed just about every company seems to be or brand 156 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: seems to be donating one hundred percent of sales to 157 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:48,559 Speaker 1: the bushfires as well. Yeah, there's been an overwhelming number 158 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: of brands. I mean there's the Daily Edited Model, Co, 159 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: Hush Puppy. That is a huge list of brands who 160 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: were donating one hundred percent of proceeds. But unfortunately, people, 161 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: whilst they're doing good, they're copying criticism for it. Some 162 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: people are seeing it as a marketing ploy. Others are 163 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: saying some brands aren't donating enough. Do you what was 164 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: your initial thoughts when you saw that, because at first 165 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: I think there would be suspicions sometimes when it's, you know, 166 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: a small amount that's being donated, but the fact that 167 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: one hundred percent of proceeds is going to it, I 168 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: find it really hard for anybody to find a negative 169 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: in that. Well, this is pretty unprecedented. I have never 170 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: seen brands before give one hundred percent of their profits 171 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: or proceeds towards a charity. The first one I saw 172 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 1: is Jakuba. I think that's how it's pronounced Jacuba, the 173 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: clothing line. I saw so many other brands jumping on board, 174 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: and I think it's so heartwarming to see. I don't 175 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: think that there's any marketing ploy involved in this. Yes, 176 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: it does look great to associate your brand with something positive. 177 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, so many brands 178 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: are doing it, they're kind of losing that amongst the noise. 179 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: I've seen heaps of instant stories recently by mostly influencers 180 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:02,239 Speaker 1: who have offered services. I saw Olivia Rodgers had kindly 181 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: offered to create her Mexican art work, and she said 182 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: that she was donating one hundred percent of profits, and 183 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: someone wrote to her, why aren't you donating the full amount? 184 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: And she just got the wording wrong. She was donating 185 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: one hundred percent of everything, not just the profit bet 186 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: proceeds the proceeds to it. It just seems like I 187 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: think that everyone's looking for someone to blame, and we've 188 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: seen it a lot with Scott Morrison, and while a 189 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: lot of that blame does seem warranted, it seems like 190 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:31,239 Speaker 1: a lot of people now are channeling that anger towards influences. 191 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 1: And I can see, in one way, how if you've 192 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: lost your home, or your home is under threat by fire, 193 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: or someone you know is facing these difficult circumstances. I 194 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: could see how if you look on Instagram and people 195 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: are having a great time, that you would lash out 196 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: and be like, well, why aren't you doing anything? Why 197 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: an't you helping? Which is one reason I think we've 198 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: seen such an influx because there has been a lot 199 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,359 Speaker 1: of guilt by people. Everyone is upset by this imagery. 200 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: You're right, the frustration is boiling over and people are 201 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 1: playing the blame game at the moment, and that is 202 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: one of the most destructive pastimes for humans, is playing 203 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,719 Speaker 1: this blame game. I mean, do you sometimes feel like 204 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: you need someone to blame when something bad has happened 205 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: like this, Well, I think everyone's looking for people to blame, 206 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: but I don't think we should be pointing our fingers 207 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: at the influencers who were trying to help. I know. 208 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: I mean I did see one post that it was 209 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: the only instant story, which I thought was a little 210 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: bit could have been wrong and could have angered people. 211 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: I won't say who it was, but it was an 212 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: influencer who shared a post from a company who was 213 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: offering I think all proceeds were going to the bushfire, 214 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: But it almost seemed like it was some kind of 215 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: sponsored post, as if, Oh, it's so good to see 216 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: this brand getting on board, And maybe I think what 217 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: you're saying is it's a brand that they work with all, 218 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: it's a brand that they work with all the time, 219 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: and it just seemed a little bit murky. But that's 220 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: the only one that I've seen that I thought, well, 221 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: maybe people could read that the wrong way, and I mean, 222 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: that's down that's down to the influencer who didn't maybe 223 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: write it as tactfully as they could have, or maybe 224 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: it just didn't come across the way they wanted it to. 225 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: But you know, if I was in that situation and 226 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: I flicked on Instagram and everyone was having a great 227 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: old time on the instant stories and no one was 228 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: sharing anything about the Bushfise, I'd probably be pretty pissed off. 229 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: As you say, that's probably the only murkiness we've seen online. 230 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: Apart from that, majority of the influencers have been absolutely excellent. 231 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: We had Abby Chatfield who donated one thousand dollars of 232 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: her own money to charity, but then cop shit for 233 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: that as well. So she put up on Instagram asking 234 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: people to stop this blame game. She said in the 235 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: first place, she got in trouble for posting all of 236 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: the different links where people could donate to without donating 237 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: it of her own money. Then she donated her own 238 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: money and was called an attention seeker. She was asking 239 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: followers to think before judging others and assuming that they 240 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: know their financial situation. And I mean, just because someone's 241 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: come off The Bachelor and has built of following, it 242 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're rolling in cash. I mean, we look 243 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,080 Speaker 1: at Tully Smith, who was on Big Brother, and she 244 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: came out a few years ago saying, although she's living 245 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: this high flying Instagram life, she's barely earning enough money 246 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: to pay for rent. So the fact that Abby has 247 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 1: put one thousand dollars of her own money in is 248 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: pretty incredible. Thousand dollars is a lot. I'm sure the 249 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: people who were trolling her about it probably haven't donated 250 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: half as much. And then we look at Steph Lesmith, 251 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: who shared a post on the weekend saying she was 252 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: copying a lot of backlash for not seeming to be 253 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: doing enough. I mean, she shared countless posts to her 254 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: one point five million followers. She also started to go 255 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: fundme page a number of weeks ago, which raised thirty 256 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: thousand dollars through kick and every five thousand dollar Marc 257 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: Kick put in another thousand dollars. And she was just saying, look, 258 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 1: it's how is this helping. We're all feeling helpless and 259 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 1: your messages are not helping anyone. There has been so 260 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: much backlash online that I think that it's prompted influences 261 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: to continually posts. Every day, I'm seeing the same links 262 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: shared the same photos, and to be honest, I've seen 263 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: so many awful, upsetting photos of animals that have been 264 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: burnt alive. The Daily Mail shared one of a koala 265 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: that was just absolutely charred, and I know why they're 266 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: posting it. It's for shock value, so people do something 267 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: to help. But I'm getting to a point where I'm 268 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: actually concerned about some people's mental health because I personally 269 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: I am struggling to see those photos. We also had 270 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: a discussion with some of our cousins and we were 271 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: talking about just how awful it is the thought of 272 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: these animals and people being burnt alive. And that's what 273 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: I keep getting into my head. And while it's great 274 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: because it's prompting people to donate, I also think we 275 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: need to look after our own mental health and maybe 276 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: we should start censoring some of these images. There are 277 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: young kids who use Instagram and Facebook and it's difficult 278 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: to see that every single day. I mean, people use 279 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: social media to escape, and I'm finding that I'm not 280 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: wanting to go on it because you're being bombarded on 281 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: your Facebook, on your news sites, watching the news. It's 282 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: all depressing devastation. And while it's hard, because that might 283 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: sound really privileged of me to say that, who's not 284 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: living it? Obviously people living it every day, but we 285 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: do need some kind of escape away from this otherwise 286 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: it's just gonna it's not gonna be a good thing. Yeah. 287 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: We look at Margo Robbie today who went on Instagram 288 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: to share her thoughts about it, and she chose not 289 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: to share photos of the devastation, saying everyone's seen the photos, 290 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: but I want to share with you just how beautiful 291 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: our country is and the hope that we can provide 292 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: funds to get it back into that way. And it 293 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: is very overwhelming. I mean I woke up on the 294 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: weekend and you know, as you do, you go to 295 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: your phone and it just puts you in the worst mood. 296 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: And as selfish as that sounds, you do need to 297 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: be able to switch off from it, because how can 298 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: you do any good when you're totally drained and upset 299 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: and defeated. And that's the thing. These people who are 300 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: trolling the influencers, it's promoting them to post even more 301 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: because they don't want to be seen as if they're 302 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: not doing enough. But then it's this awful spiral of 303 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: people posting the same images and people are almost going 304 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: to become desensitized to them or quite traumatized. And I 305 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: was thinking about it, what about the people who were 306 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: suffering from depression. It must be really hard to be 307 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: seeing this imagery constantly, and because I feel like there's 308 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: a sense of people being quite helpless. So in one 309 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: way it's good that we do have these avenues to 310 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: donate too. But also I was thinking about it. You know, 311 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: with elderly people, when people knock on their doors and 312 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: they sort of prey on the elderly because they might 313 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: not have enough money to donate. It does scare me 314 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: a little bit that people are probably feeling shit who 315 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: might not have enough to donate in terms of monetary donations. 316 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: And that's the thing there is been put There is 317 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: so much guilt being put on people who are not 318 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: donating or who are not digging deep enough. At the 319 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: same time, going back to your point about censorship. I 320 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: remember when we were twelve and nine to eleven happened, 321 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: and even at that time, as a twelve year old, 322 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: you're very aware of what's happening. And at that point 323 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: we only had TV to watch, and I remember and 324 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: obviously newspapers to read. And I remember one morning the 325 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: advertise as had a photo and it showed someone jumping 326 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: out of the World Trade Center because they obviously had 327 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: nowhere to go, and plummeting it to their death. And 328 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: it was just an awful photo. And I remember our 329 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: mum having to hide it because she didn't want us 330 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: to see it. And these days kids have their own phones, 331 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: they can jump on, they can see any image they 332 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: want to see at any point when they want to 333 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: see it. I just don't know how damaging, as you say, 334 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: that is also when you don't want to see it, 335 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: as in I love Gary Vee clearly, I was talking 336 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: about flipping things earlier in the show and I was 337 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: looking through his and normally his stuff is so motivational, 338 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: so I was having a look at that, and he 339 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: was sharing stuff about the fires, and so it went 340 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: from his normal content to a photo. I think everyone's 341 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: probably seen it of that poor kangaroo, who's just dead 342 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: in this position near like, who's just dead near a 343 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: fence standing just chart. I was just like, oh, you know, 344 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: it's one thing if you're looking to read about it, 345 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: but it's the other thing when you're just trying to 346 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: be positive. And that popsa as I touched on earlier. 347 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: We did report on the bush fires that happened here 348 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: in South Australia a few years ago, and as a journalist, 349 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: there is just a point where you do have to 350 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: switch off. As terrible as that is, you face so 351 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 1: many difficult situations that sometimes mentally you can't keep thinking 352 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: about it. Well. I've been reading the comments of some 353 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: of the interviews with the Rolling Coverage on nine, seven 354 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: and ten, and there was a interview a young journalist 355 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 1: did with a man who just lost his house. There 356 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: was a lot of criticism that this reporter didn't really 357 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: show that much empathy, and you know, they were saying, 358 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: she didn't, you know, have a tear. And I think 359 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: it's really hard because as a journalist you're trained to 360 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 1: ask certain questions that are going to get a really 361 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: good response or grab, as it's called in the industry, 362 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: and so that maybe if she was that young, she 363 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: probably wasn't at the mature level where she probably knew 364 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,239 Speaker 1: what it meant to own a house. I don't know. 365 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: I think it was more I've seen it before when 366 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 1: people put the you know, the live interviews or they're 367 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: doing live interviews, when some questions just don't work well 368 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: on television, when they're hearing the question, like, you know, 369 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: when it's just the answer and you're formulating that into 370 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: a story, you know, saying how did it feel to 371 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: lose your house? I mean, it sounds like a pretty 372 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: stupid question when you ask. But if the response is 373 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: I'm so devastated to have lost my house, I don't 374 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 1: know what to do, then obviously that grub sounds good, 375 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: but just sounds so cold, asking the same question over 376 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 1: and over and over to get this person to cry 377 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: on TV. I think that's what people were finding quite distressing. 378 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: And back to your point about switching off, I really 379 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: think it's integral because at the moment, it looks like 380 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 1: this bush fire situation is going to be something that's 381 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: going to be going on for the next couple of weeks, 382 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: and in that time, people are going to be moving 383 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: on with their lives. And doing different things. It doesn't 384 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: mean we are forgetting what's happened. It doesn't mean it's 385 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: not important to keep raising money. But I think the 386 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: Australian spirit that was shown throughout this is amazing and 387 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: we should stop tearing other people down if they are 388 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: having a good day or they are having a fun time. 389 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: I think it's important to remember that just because people 390 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: aren't posting about it, it doesn't mean they don't care. 391 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 1: I think everybody in Australia cares deeply about this, and 392 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: I think it's amazing how everyone's come together and donated 393 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: all of this money. But I think we need to 394 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: give each other. I think we need to cut each 395 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 1: other some slack and just stop criticizing everybody. Another point 396 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: as well is a lot of people who donate to 397 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: charities like to do so with privacy, and just because 398 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: someone isn't out there flaunting everything that they've donated, it 399 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that they haven't as well. And time to 400 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: move on to our top headlines of the week. I'm 401 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: going to absolutely butcher this name. I'm so sorry it says. 402 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: This is from the Daily Mail. Doctor Lasina Nakid Shahista 403 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: is announced as new Zealand's first Bachelorette, and I know 404 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: that was pronounced extremely wrong. The thing that interested me 405 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: about this story is this new bachelorette is a doctor. Wow, 406 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: how is she getting time off work to do that? Well, 407 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: that's the thing that the franchise has been criticized in 408 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: the past for. I suppose not having the most eligible people, 409 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: because the theory is that most people who are doctors 410 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: or lawyers or whatever can't get time off work. But 411 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: she is an American who's been living in New Zealand, 412 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 1: and it sounds like it's going to be an amazing 413 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: series if she is channeling the American bachelorettes have passed. 414 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 1: I want to know a caliber of men who will 415 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: be on the show. If she's a doctor, well, it 416 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: couldn't be like the Australian Bachelorette because I don't know, 417 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 1: I don't think there's ever been. I hope we don't 418 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: have the magicians and the most famous people and well, 419 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: I'm actually I hope they do air this series in Australia. 420 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: The next headline is from Pedestrian TV and it reads 421 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 1: Ashley Tisdale says kissing Zach Efron pretty much sucked, So 422 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 1: cross him off your crush list? Now, is this from 423 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: the High School Musical days? Or is this another no? 424 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: This is so the excuse my ignorance because I don't 425 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: even know if they kiss during high School Musical because 426 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 1: I've not seen that movie. Well, actually, Tisdale is talking 427 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: about her time on the Wheat Life of Zack and Cody. 428 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: So in two thousand and six, she and zac Efron 429 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: shared a kiss. I have ridiculous he would have been 430 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: like twelve. I don't know if it would have been 431 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: twelve old is he now? I don't know. I don't 432 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,479 Speaker 1: even know if we go to a live Google ways, Okay, 433 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: he's thirty. Oh my god, to be older than us. Yeah, 434 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 1: so zac Efron is thirty two, so he would have 435 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: been He celebrated his thirty second so it would have 436 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: been sixteen. Is that right? No, he would have been eighteen. Okay, 437 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: we would have been eighteen. So it's pretty much a 438 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: beat up. I mean, I clicked on this article, but 439 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 1: it's she was saying that it was her worst on 440 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: screen kiss just because she knew him so well, and 441 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 1: apparently he went to slip the tongue in this is 442 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: on a Disney show and she was like, no, you 443 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 1: cannot do that. This is Disney. We need a Disney kiss. 444 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 1: So yes, that was I mean, there'd be a bit 445 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,959 Speaker 1: of pressure with all those cameras around. It probably wouldn't 446 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: be your best performance in front of everyone. I always 447 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: wonder about those shows because so many of the actors 448 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: and actresses are so is in. Sometimes it probably is 449 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: their first kiss on screen. How awkward. It would be very, 450 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: very awkward. Moving on to the last headline, and it's 451 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,479 Speaker 1: also from a pedestrian and it reads angel couple. Cameron 452 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 1: Diaz and Benji Madden surprise fans by announcing birth of 453 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 1: first baby. Do you say angel couple? That's what it says. 454 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 1: What does that mean they're calling them an angel couple? 455 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I was excited to see this because 456 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: I am an og good Charlotte fan, so I love 457 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: Joel and Benji. I was shocked to read that Benji 458 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: is now forty and that Cameron Diaz is forty seven. Yeah, 459 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: i'd be assuming, considering they made such an effort to 460 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: mention both the ages that this baby would have been 461 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: born through a surrogate. Well, I'm not sure it actually 462 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: the articles I've read it hasn't mentioned whether it was 463 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: a surrogate, but it has they haven't. They never announced 464 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: their pregnancy, and I'm assuming that Cameron Diaz would still 465 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: be followed by the paparazzi, and there was no sart 466 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: of a baby bump, so one would assume it was 467 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: most likely a surrogate. But I was quite I don't know. 468 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: I'm not really loving the name. And for those who 469 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: don't know the name, it is Radix. Yeah. And for 470 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: a girl, yeah, I mean maybe I was a boy. 471 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 1: It'd be like a real, like good Charlotte hardcore name 472 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 1: for a boy. But I mean then you look at 473 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 1: Joel Madden's kids' names, Harlow and Sparrow, They're not exactly normal. 474 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: Radix reminds me of Radish, That's what I immediately thought of. 475 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: It reminded me of Radelaide, what everyone calls Adelaide. Did 476 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: you see there was a bit of backlash about a 477 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: woman who said she wanted to call her daughter Disney 478 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: and if she had a son, she'd call him Sonic. Well, 479 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: I think that is almost dead set child abuse. To 480 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: call your child Disney and sonic. What would you rather 481 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: be called Radis or Disney or be called Radis to 482 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 1: be honest, really, yeah, the Disney and Sonic are appalling. 483 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: Everyone already has a preconception. I wouln't want to be 484 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: called Sonic. I wouldn't want to be called any of them, 485 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: but I reckon Disney might be nicer than Radis. When 486 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 1: I did get tagged in this story, I got into 487 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: this black hole of just googling the Maddens and what 488 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 1: Harlow look like now, because she is eleven now, and 489 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: my god, she looks like Joel Madden. She is him 490 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: just walking over go oh, my gosh. And Nicole Ritchie, 491 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: I have not seen her for years and she is 492 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: in her forties now, looks exactly the same. And a 493 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 1: fun fact, we actually saw well, we actually met Joel 494 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: Madden when he was in Adelaide with Nicole Richie when 495 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 1: she was pregnant with Harlow, so we kind of did 496 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: meet Harlow in some weird moving on. Now, you've probably 497 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: experienced it in your workplace, on the street, or even 498 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 1: in your own home by people who love you. Casual 499 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 1: sexism can fly under the radar for perpetrators and bystanders, 500 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: but for the women who experience it on a daily 501 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: basis it can wear them down and has been linked 502 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,239 Speaker 1: to poor physical and mental health. Amy, why was it 503 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: important for you to talk about this today, Well, as 504 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: you know, we spent the weekend at a few festivals, 505 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: so our PR company was doing videography services for some 506 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 1: big festivals that were in Adelaide, and what an interesting 507 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 1: bunch of people that were at those festivals. Sophie and 508 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: I still were recovering because it was I think it 509 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: was about what was it forty forty two degrees? Forty 510 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 1: two degrees at this particular concert we were at. It 511 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 1: literally had the ingredients for my idea of hell. We 512 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: got through it, though it was very rewarding when we finished. 513 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: While I was at one of the particular festivals on Saturday, 514 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: I have to say, I think you and I copped 515 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 1: casual sexism literally every ten minutes. So if you can 516 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: picture it, sof and I were taking all the photographs 517 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: and doing all the video work, so we had backpacks 518 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 1: on and we had camera gear, and every second person 519 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: had to stop us and have a little comment. It's 520 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 1: really hard to even describe, but I think any woman 521 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 1: who's listening to this would know it was just these 522 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 1: sort of degrading comments. It was the stairs as well, 523 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: like or it was if you didn't so there'd be 524 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: a lot of guys stopping us, just trying to have 525 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 1: a conversation, and if you didn't give them anything, then 526 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: it was oh yeah, oh rude. And it's like my 527 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: boyfriend's a photographer and he came to help us take 528 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: photos later and he was walking around with his camera 529 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: and I took note he copped nothing, not one comment. 530 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: There were so many old men that came up to 531 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,360 Speaker 1: us and they're like, oh, can I be in your picture? 532 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 1: It's like, no, want to take a picture of me. 533 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: And then you'd be like, oh no, I'm good, thanks, 534 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: why not? Or are you twinned? Anyway, it was relentless. 535 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: But that wasn't even these This wasn't even bad compared 536 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 1: to what happened. So while Soph's boyfriend and her were 537 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,919 Speaker 1: taking photos of Cold Chisel, I was getting crowd shots 538 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: and I was getting some you know, some ladies were 539 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: doing some shots where they were cheering, and then I 540 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: was talking to this husband and wife about being in 541 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: a shot, and all of a sudden, I hear this 542 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: fuck wick guy, go show us your tits to me. 543 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: And he said it twice, and at first I thought, oh, 544 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: I just ignore it. It could be quite dangerous if 545 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 1: I say something in this crowd, and I thought, fuck this, 546 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: like I just had had it up to here with 547 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: the relentless comments. So I walked over and I didn't yell, 548 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: but I said it loudly. I said maybe if he 549 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: had some manners, girls might actually want to talk to you. 550 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: And anyway, it was quite funny because the guy I 551 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: was about to film, he was like, do you want 552 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: me to bash him for you? And I was like, no, no, 553 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: that's fine. Anyway, twenty minutes later, this guy tapped me 554 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: on the shoulder and he's like, oh, I'm so sorry. 555 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: That was my friend who said that to you. And 556 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: by this point I was like, oh, that's all good. 557 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,199 Speaker 1: I said, Oh. I was unsure whether to say anything, 558 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: but I thought maybe if I said something, he might 559 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: not do it again. And this guy's like, yeah, he's 560 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: a complete dickhead. We can't stand it. Good on you 561 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: for saying something, and so I was like, oh, that's 562 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:59,679 Speaker 1: I was quite validated in my actions. But yeah, it 563 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: did me think about casual sexism and how it can 564 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 1: often just fly under the radar, and I was talking 565 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 1: to my boyfriend about it, and I was just saying 566 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 1: how annoyed I have been in recent times because I've 567 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: seen so much of it go on. I think as 568 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: women were just expected to laugh at off otherwise it's rude. 569 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 1: I think it also is in those group mentality moments. 570 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I do see a lot of it, particularly 571 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: these days with younger men, and they are in this 572 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: boy's the boys situation where oh, it's just a laugh, 573 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: We're just with the boys. Some of those boys seem 574 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,239 Speaker 1: so obsessed with each other to the point where they 575 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: seem like they're in love with each other. They'd do 576 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 1: anything to help the boys. Well, I've heard of an 577 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: incident at one festival where there was a big group 578 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: of guys and they were on the trip with another 579 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: group of girls, and whenever the girls would fall asleep, 580 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: one guy in particular would he actually got his girlfriend 581 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: to take photos of him putting his balls on the 582 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: women's faces. And that to me was so fucking appalling 583 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: and shocking that everyone stood there and let that go. Well, 584 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: that's not casual sexism, that's just blatant sexual assault. That's 585 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: the thing. You know. Somebody told us this story, and 586 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: what shocked me was that this person actually didn't realize 587 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: that that was actually assault, that's sexual assault, and they'laid 588 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: by the fact that, oh, but it was funny. Yeah, 589 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: it's not funny. And I think it has a lot 590 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: to do with people's ages. This was quite young boys 591 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: who were doing this. But at the same time, we 592 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: need to be drumming it into these young boys that 593 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,239 Speaker 1: that's not acceptable. Well that's what I think. You know, 594 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: we're talking about casual sexism, and I think it starts 595 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: off in a casual sense. So maybe I should explain 596 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: sort of the definition of everyday sexism. So it could 597 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: be merely commenting on someone's physical appearance in the workplace 598 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: over their confidence. So it might be oh, you look amazing. 599 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: That that will be one thing that people say to 600 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: for it might be if they've made an effort, oh 601 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: you look great today. Yeah, but not how about to say, hey, 602 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: you did a really good job, like for since the newsroom, 603 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: you did a really good job with that story, not 604 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: you looked great on camera. And then there might be 605 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: making sexist jokes. I've heard so many like oh, shouldn't 606 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: she be making you a sandwich? Fucking make your own. 607 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: Then there's the double standards, or making assumptions based on 608 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: gender about a person's suitability for a role, So that 609 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: might be favoring us, you know, I mean it works 610 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: both ways, of course, all of these things, but favoring 611 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: a man for a role that you might think is 612 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: physical when a woman could do it. Sexualizing or patronizing 613 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: language like if you call sorry, like calling women you 614 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: don't know, things like love babe, sweetheart, sexual objectification remarks 615 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: like you're playing like a bunch of girls, or you 616 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: run like a girl. I remember with the seven thirty report, 617 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: someone put that on YouTube and there was clips of 618 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: us playing netball and someone rate, she runs like a girl. 619 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: For fuck's sake, I am one, thank you, And I 620 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: love how the connotation is negative. Yeah, exactly, it's always negative. 621 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: And then lastly, there's of course harassment on the street, 622 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: so it might be unwanted touching. I mean, he could 623 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: even be that you're at a party and someone walks 624 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: by and just touches your hips as they walk by. 625 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: People seem to think that's fine. And I know you 626 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: experienced that at a nightclub years ago. Yeah, I did, 627 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: so I was probably nineteen twenty at the time, and 628 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: as you do if you're from Adelaide on the Sunday night, 629 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: you head to the Grand, which now has been replaced 630 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: by the Mostly Grand, so you'd line up for hours 631 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: to get in. Anyway, I'm standing there talking to Kate 632 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: and Amy, and all of a sudden, this guy, this 633 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: acquaintance we knew. He just thought he was with his 634 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: big group of friends. He thought it was okay to 635 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: walk up and pinch me on the ass and then 636 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: walk off, and he slapt your us. No, he pinched 637 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: me on the ass. And I was so young and 638 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: naive that I didn't think to say anything and embarrassed 639 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: as well. I mean, if this happened to me now, god, 640 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: they'd be hearing about it. But even when we're at 641 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,719 Speaker 1: that festival, this other man came up to me, and 642 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: I thought he worked at the festival. Anyway, he calls out, 643 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: he's all talking to me in my face and then said, 644 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: I said, oh, yeah, it was really hot up on 645 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: stage because it was forty two degrees. He then thinks 646 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: it's okay to touch my arm to see how hot 647 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: I am. I did not know what to say in 648 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: that situation too. Because it's so hard to read it 649 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: sometimes and that's where you do. It's bad because you 650 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: do feel this regret that you should have said something. Well, 651 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: there was a study that The Guardian published information about 652 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: last year, and this study found that one in seven 653 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: young Australians believe a man would be justified in raping 654 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: a woman if she initiated sex but changed her mind. 655 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: The other disturbing finding was it said that one quarter 656 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: of young men think women find it flattering to be 657 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: persistently pursued even if they're not interested. And I would 658 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: assume that kind of fits into the category of pinching 659 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: people's asses, touching their arms when talking to them, and 660 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: even if you're giving across that vibe that you're not interested. 661 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: But I was like that time. So to add onto 662 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: this hellish festival experience, we escaped the festival to go 663 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: and get lunch and we sat down at Zambreros, not sponsored, 664 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: and this person we were just sorry, We were just 665 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: looking forward to sitting down and relaxing. We had our 666 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: burrito bowls and this guy entrenched in sweat. This guy 667 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: just came and sat on our table and just started 668 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: trying to talk to us and I and I thought 669 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: it was one of those viral prank videos, and so 670 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: I just turned to him because ironically we saw Shooter Williams, 671 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: that comedian at the Comedian at the Zambreros. We were like, 672 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: what the hell was going on? Anyway, this guy sits 673 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: next to us, and I said to him, look, I'm 674 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: actually feeling quite faint. I feel like I might have 675 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: heat streat so we're really not going to be that entertaining. 676 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: And he just disregarded what I said and just kept 677 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: talking and was trying to get us to go down. 678 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: Watch his friend at the Jetti bar does the thing 679 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 1: you're a bitch if you turn someone down, like the 680 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: absolute turn on you if you say, look sorry, I 681 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: just want to be left alone, and didn't you feel like? 682 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: We had to laugh it off because I felt like 683 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: if I was like, excuse me, can you just leave 684 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: us alone, then we would be either being filmed or 685 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: it was just ridiculous. But what is interesting is apparently 686 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: this everyday sexism is quite difficult to recognize the people 687 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: who don't experience it. So research shows men are less 688 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: likely to accept evidence of gender discrimination than women due 689 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: to the fact they're less likely to actually experience it. 690 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 1: So this man probably didn't even realize what he was doing, 691 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,919 Speaker 1: or other men who would have been around would be like, oh, 692 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: that's guy's just trying to talk to him them. He's 693 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 1: not like discriminating, you know what I mean, they just 694 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 1: don't see it. The scary thing is, though, I think 695 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: we all know someone who has taken it too far. 696 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,879 Speaker 1: I mean, they can be guys that are actually really 697 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: nice people and they just turn into these massive sleeze 698 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 1: bags when they go out, or they talk over women 699 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 1: in meetings, or maybe their wives and daughters, make their 700 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: wives and daughters serve food at family functions while they 701 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:54,919 Speaker 1: just sit back and do anything. That's one that really 702 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,839 Speaker 1: greats on me. It happened at Christmas time, is the way. 703 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: It's like even I noticed. So I was having Christmas 704 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: dinner and I noticed that it was up to the 705 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 1: women to clear the table while all the men just 706 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: sat back. And I was like, isn't it funny because 707 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: I would be judged if I just sat back and 708 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 1: didn't do anything because I'm a woman. Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous. 709 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:21,240 Speaker 1: There was an interesting article and it quoted doctor Flood, 710 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,359 Speaker 1: and he gave some advice on how to call out 711 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,720 Speaker 1: casual sexism, which I thought was quite interesting. His first 712 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: piece of advice was to express your disapproval by ignoring 713 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: what was said. So he says that you shouldn't validate 714 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 1: a comment if you don't agree with it, so you 715 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 1: don't laugh, or he said the best thing to do 716 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 1: would stay quiet or just change the subject. I thought 717 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: that was quite interesting. It is interesting advice because I 718 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 1: think what I like is he's saying, don't validate it 719 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: with a laugh or anything like that. I agree with that, 720 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: but that's the thing you can sometimes I just feel 721 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: forced to laugh off an awkward situation, something that's been 722 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 1: built in us. Oh, we've got to laugh it off. 723 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 1: We've going to make other people feel comfortable when they're 724 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: being an absolute wanker. Telling my boyfriend Dale this the 725 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 1: other day, he's like, Oh, if someone says something like 726 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: that to you should just give him a real stone face. 727 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,280 Speaker 1: I said, I've done that before and people go fucking 728 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: cheer up or something. That's another favorite one of mine. 729 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,319 Speaker 1: When you're just walking down the street and people like, 730 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: why don't you smile at me? Well, sorry, sorry? Can 731 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 1: you imagine people saying that to a man I know, 732 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: why don't you small at me. The other advice this 733 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 1: doctor recommended was to ask questions, so you could ask, 734 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: say you said something offensive, I'd be like, well, what 735 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: do you mean by that? Or say be like, oh, 736 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 1: how was that funny? I don't I don't get it. 737 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: I think that's a good one because it's kind of 738 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: embarrassing the person as well, and it's making them probably 739 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 1: think twice about saying it. Another one I agree with 740 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 1: is to express your disapproval by telling your friends you're 741 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:48,799 Speaker 1: not on board with what they've said and you don't 742 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: think it's funny. I mean, that would have worked perfectly 743 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 1: in the situation of the guy at the festival thinking 744 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: it's acceptable to take photos of their genitals on someone's face. 745 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: If one of those guys had stood up and said, hey, 746 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 1: I'm not a bor with this, this is unacceptable behavior, 747 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: that would have started a chain reaction there. What about 748 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: in the instance where this guy yelled out to show 749 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 1: show me your tits or whatever. What do you think 750 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 1: of the friend that then apologized to me? Do you 751 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 1: think the friend should have called out the behavior at 752 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,240 Speaker 1: the time was because they laughed. It's the bystander effect. 753 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,320 Speaker 1: People are just happy to let it go and people 754 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 1: aren't willing to stand up, and that's where we need 755 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 1: people to actually be standing up for others. Of course, 756 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,400 Speaker 1: you don't want to be inciting something when there's alcohol involved, 757 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: So maybe in that situation where this doctor said, maybe 758 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,840 Speaker 1: that is the right time to ignore it. Well, I 759 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: actually did feel a little bit unsafe after saying what 760 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,880 Speaker 1: I said, because I thought, shit, I'm actually by myself. 761 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: I know you and Brandon were there, but this was 762 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 1: a huge festival and I was like, fuck, like these 763 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: people are really drunk, Like you know, I better watch 764 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,400 Speaker 1: what I say or I better just leave. I felt 765 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 1: like leaving to be honest, Yeah, it's pretty scary. So 766 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,359 Speaker 1: another good one is saying would you say that if 767 00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,879 Speaker 1: I was your sister or if I was your mum 768 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,359 Speaker 1: or your girlfriend. I think that's really good because that's 769 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 1: bringing it back and making people put themselves in your shoes. 770 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 1: I actually think all of those are good, even the 771 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,360 Speaker 1: one if you don't want to be confrontational, just ignoring 772 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: what was said or just giving that stone look of 773 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 1: like what, that's just not funny. I think even being 774 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 1: aware that this casual sexism exists because sometimes it is 775 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: just so ingrained in you that you just accept it. 776 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 1: We thought it might be a nice idea for people 777 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 1: to share their stories of casual sexism. I supposed to 778 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 1: just bring a bit more light to it and to 779 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 1: make people more aware that this sort of stuff's happening, 780 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,359 Speaker 1: and I supposed to try and stop it. So, if 781 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 1: you want to write down on Facebook or on our 782 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,280 Speaker 1: Instagram post about this episode a time when you've copped 783 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 1: a casual sexism, we'd love to hear your stories. And 784 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: I suppose how you you fought that well. I think 785 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,879 Speaker 1: that's all we've got time for. Thank you so much 786 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 1: for joining us for our first episode of twenty twenty. 787 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,839 Speaker 1: If you would like to continue the conversation, you can 788 00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 1: follow us on Instagram and Facebook at Outspoken under Score 789 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: the Underscore Podcast. 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