WEBVTT - UNPACKED REALITY - AUSTRALIAN SURVIVOR - ELIMINATION CHAT 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:05.160 TV Reload, the podcast last week Their Life. Hey guys, 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:07.320 welcome back to TV Reload. I want to thank you 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:10.200 for clicking or downloading. On today's episode with Winner, the 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:14.080 eleventh eliminated contestant from this year's Australian Survivor, which is 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:16.720 now on Network ten, I will be talking about his 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:19.400 time in Samoa and of course what he thinks now 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:22.000 that the smoke has well and truly been snuffed out 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:25.720 on his torch. Australian Survivor Titans Versus Rebels is a 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:28.120 show tow that pits the winners against the underdogs and 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:30.960 the big wigs against the battlers, with each player competing 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:34.040 for the grand prize of half a million dollars. Winner 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:36.920 is known across TikTok for his champion food eating and 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:40.000 is from New South Wales, Sydney. After being left out 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:42.360 of the first vote of the season, Winner made a 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:45.800 rebound finding a hidden immunity IDOL and then found his 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:49.680 strategic footing after the tribe switch. However, at the first 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:52.720 merged vote, Winners Kockin has proved to be his undoing 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:55.880 as he called for clarity amongst chaos which was met 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:59.080 only with his blind side. Winner shares with me the 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:02.040 secret from his childhood that will probably shock most of 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:06.480 his followers and explain why food deprivation wasn't his biggest concern. 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:09.039 We will talk about how Winterer nearly pulled out of 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:11.640 a strand survivor at the last minute and who convinced 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:15.080 him to stay. There is a huge revelation that JLP 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:18.640 renegged on Winner's immunity necklace and what that might have 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:21.920 meant for Winner's game moving forward. Plus we'll find out 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:24.600 what Winner really thinks of his best mate Jaden's revenge 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:27.440 plan and if he's actually happy to be avenged. There 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:30.200 is so much to unpack with Winner today, and he's 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:32.520 really fun to talk to. So sit back and relax 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:35.120 as we dive just that little bit deeper into the 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:36.960 world of Australian survivor. 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:39.040 How's it going, I'm very well. 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:39.520 How are you? 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:40.560 I'm good. I'm good. 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:43.360 I've been saying I feel like I've just died on TV. 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:46.120 It's like by Winner and all these posts on social media. 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:48.040 It's funny as I feel like I've just died. 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:50.520 Because you're looking in at it and you've had a 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:51.240 TV death. 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:53.680 Ultimately it feels that way I've died through. 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:55.920 Yeah. I remember talking to a guy that was on 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:58.200 Home and Away, Dita Brahma, who actually is now dead, 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:00.880 but I remember talking to him and he had a 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:03.480 TV deap. He played a character on Home and Away 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:07.280 and he said that experience was really quite surreal for him. 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:10.160 Yeah, I got proper emotional. It was like, because I 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:13.120 real leave everything. The whole show feels like a vlog, 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:14.120 like a family vlog. 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:15.080 You real live again. 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:18.000 It's like rewatching a holiday, and every part of it 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:21.200 I remember like it was yesterday. So seeing me leave, 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:23.560 I just remember the emotions that happened because it was 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:25.720 such a good blindside as well for me to leave. 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:27.760 It was a perfect day for me to leave. It 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:30.440 was such a shock and all those emotions came back 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:32.560 and it was like, wow, I was actually proper sad 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:33.760 leaving at that point. 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:35.280 Now you're making me emotional. 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:38.200 It's crazy because like a day on Survivor feels like 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:40.720 a week, and it feels like you've been living with 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:42.920 these people. You don't have contact to your loved ones 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:45.280 and friends back home as well. This is your new family, 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:47.840 and it's like you get separated from them. It's like 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:49.600 you don't know when you're going to see them next, 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:50.920 even though you're going to see each other in like 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:53.359 a few weeks, but it felt that way. You get 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:55.840 sent off and the buye is so short, it's like 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:59.160 see everyone, an instant silence, like you're alone. 0:02:58.760 --> 0:02:59.720 Now, time for some. 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:06.160 No one seemed to know what was going to happen 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:07.280 in that tribal council. 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:08.639 Yeah, it was chaotic. 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:11.400 I think maybe because there were so many ad mergers 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:14.200 as well, so many conversations. And on top of that, 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:17.000 that storm that was happening the two days. The camera 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:19.960 couldn't really capture it. It was actually messed like it 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:23.200 was piercing down rain, it was freezing. The wind was crazy, 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:25.639 like I can't even put it to words. I've never 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:28.000 been in weather like that in my life. Couldn't even 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:31.280 hear each other talking, and we're all scrambling what's the plan. 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:35.200 And on that day, obviously the day before Scott had quit, 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:39.240 and Scott quitting and telling you know, everyone the plans 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:41.480 that Valerium, Mark and I had just like it. 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:42.680 Led to an explosion. 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:46.840 Kitty was like very she's very direct, you know, and 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:48.720 black and white so she's like, did you write my 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:49.200 name down? 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:50.800 Did you write my name down? To everyone? 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:53.560 And it was just like there was no slyness to it, 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:56.880 and anyone having a conversation everyone else would be thinking, oh, 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:57.920 they're thinking something. 0:03:57.920 --> 0:03:58.880 What are they're plotting now? 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:02.680 Why various talking to Kitty wise eat and talking to Alex, 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:03.480 you know, things like that. 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.320 So it was crazy, the craziest scramble ever. 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:08.600 You know, something seems to have gone with Kitty, Like, 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:10.080 you know, for the start off, it was like a 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:13.280 lukewarm character in the background, and then now it's. 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:14.840 Like, yeah, one hundrederstand I mean, it was probably the 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:17.520 first time she felt that she was in danger. 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:19.320 I guess she was quite always. 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:22.120 Safe with the middle aged Mafi and whatnot. 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:23.279 And yeah, we. 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:25.680 Got to see like the fiery Kitty come out for 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:27.920 the first time, which was which is awesome. 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:30.360 Yeah, don't mess with her. I'm actually scared of her. 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:33.200 Yeah, to be the beast, I mean, she has like 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:34.800 some world record, some deadly thing. 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:39.279 Was Eden right to say that the tribal Council will 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:41.680 really determine what's going to happen next and is setting 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:43.200 up what's going to happen moving forward. 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:45.560 Yeah, for sure, I was saying that morning in my 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.960 confessional that was it was similar to what happened with 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:51.919 my tribe swap. We have a majority and then a 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:56.080 few minorities. But fortunately for us back then, the majority 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:58.240 was split right down the middle, and it was exactly 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:02.840 the same sort of environ. We had Caroline's team versus 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:05.520 like my team with Val and Mark, and it was 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:09.120 us against each other, and Ferris Raymond Eileen were going 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:12.000 to be the deciders that night, so they didn't really 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:14.560 have an alliance. Those guys had each other from the 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:16.880 get go. From the beginning, they didn't need anyone. They 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:19.720 weren't waiting for anyone when merge came, so when they 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:22.240 got there, it was just like them in the middle 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:25.000 and us fighting against each other. So I said that 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:28.440 morning Ferris and Eileen Raymond were going to be the 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:31.440 ones deciding who goes home. It was probably my downfall 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:35.159 for not doing more damage control with Ferris. I obviously 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:37.920 back stabbed in with the get Garack thing, and it 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:41.720 wasn't really shown, but that was a massive like backstab 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:44.880 on my end. Like I built a very strong relationship 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:47.760 with Ferris quickly and Garrick as well. And I love 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:50.200 both of them, but just given the strategy we wanted 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:52.040 to play, had to get rid of Garrick. But like, 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:54.760 I can see why there's so much resentment from Ferris's 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:55.440 end towards me. 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:57.360 So it was the perfect. 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:59.960 Explosion, you know, Scott quitting and telling everyone my plan, 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:02.839 and I had the immunity necklace and I couldn't even 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:07.159 use it. No boats happened. The next day came Ferris's resentment. 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:09.440 All that coming together, it was like the perfect day 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:10.120 for me to get home. 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:12.000 I'm going to get back into some of this because 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:13.600 I feel like, you know, there's a lot to unpack. 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:16.480 The question that keeps coming to me is how are 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:19.680 you so thin if you're a champion food eater. I'm 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:22.200 just a little perplexed about this because like I can't 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:24.920 go to KFC without putting on one hundred kilos, So, like, 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:26.359 what's your secret. 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:29.360 I used to be very overweight when I was younger. 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:33.680 I was enormous, like unhealthy, Like I've got knee problems. 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:37.080 I've got like knock knees that happens when children are 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:40.599 too overweight, and my knees full bent inwards. So I 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:43.039 grew up in a ti restaurant. My family had a 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:45.400 family business, So for twenty years of my life, I 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:47.400 was in there just eating everything. 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:49.120 I used to literally come. 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:51.560 Home from school and I would put cheese on a plate, 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:53.280 put in the microwave, and eat it. 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:53.760 With a spoon. 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:56.640 That actually does make a little bit more sense, because 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:59.880 to me, I just kept looking at this very trimmed, 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:03.440 terrific look and bloke and thinking, how the hell have 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:06.000 you conditioned yourself into being able to eat a lot 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:06.599 of that food. 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:08.920 Yeah, I used to be very fat, and I went 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:11.480 on like a little weight loss journey things. He's an exercise, 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:13.480 and I do a lot of fasting during my comps 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:14.360 when I used to do them more. 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:15.720 I don't do them that as much anymore. 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:18.520 But I'd be eating like eight ten thousand calories in 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:20.880 the day and then I would I would fast for 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:23.920 sometimes I did like two three day fast just to 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:27.560 let it, you know, digest and sort of undo my sins. 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:30.360 And I think that was why I was pretty excited 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:32.119 about going on the show as well, like I've already 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:34.160 done crazy fast and that I knew the hunger wouldn't 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:36.720 really get to me. Lots of training and eating less 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:38.800 for a short period of time after you gorge. 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:40.000 It's a secret, but. 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:43.120 You look good. So how did you get cast in 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:45.360 a Strain and Survivor? You know you were super fan. 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:48.600 Did they approach you? I'm assuming because you know you've 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:50.960 made quite a bit of noise on social media apps 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:52.840 like TikTok. You know there's a good chance they might 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:55.360 have come for you there. What's the backstory to getting 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:56.040 on a show like this? 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:58.640 Yeah? So they approached me? Are they approached me? 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:01.320 And to be honest, when I got the message saying 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:03.520 you know Survivor this that I thought it was a 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:07.280 scam and I didn't even know what Survivor was. I've 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:09.480 heard of it from one of my best mates from school. 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:11.920 So I had a mate who would always wear the 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:14.480 bas and his rooms got all this Survivor stuff and 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:17.080 I never had any interest in it. And he said 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:19.640 to me that, yes, the best show ever. You would 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:22.160 do so well on this show. He's always said it, 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:24.080 And I was like, I don't really watch TV shows 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:26.320 at all, and it only hit me when I was 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:28.320 going through the casting process. It's like, holy moly, this 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:30.720 is actually I might actually get the call up. And 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:33.480 then when I did, I actually nearly didn't go on. 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:35.840 Oh wow, yeah, I nearly didn't go on. 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:37.480 Because what was the hesitation? 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:40.640 I just like I was so I still am. I'm 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:42.880 so happy with my life, Like I've built my life. 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:45.200 I've got an awesome job, you know, all my TikTok 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:48.240 stuff I do on the sides, paying decent, and my 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:50.920 life is just fun and awesome. Why would I want 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.640 to be stuck on an island for two months away 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:55.959 from my life, can't pay my bills, away from my 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:57.079 loved ones and family. 0:08:57.640 --> 0:08:58.720 It didn't really appeal to me. 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.520 And then the more I thought about it and talking 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:03.200 to my mate, I was like, far out, Like so 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:05.760 many people apply every year, some people would give up 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:07.520 their right bullsack to go on this show. 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:09.800 I don't know what my right bullsack, but you know, yes, 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:11.640 I think there's a lot of people. I mean that's 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:13.040 just me. I mean you're probably right. 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:16.079 Yeah, And I've gone the opportunity to and I love 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:18.600 the challenge of it, like I feel like I like 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:21.720 to be stimulated in general, in all aspects of my life. 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:24.960 I truly like like being challenged. And it's like winning 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:27.240 five hundred K. And the more I thought about it, 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:31.920 it's about social skills, about physical strength, being analytical, and 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:34.920 I'm a firm believer that life is just sales in general. 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:37.360 You know, whether you get the job opportunity or not, 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:39.679 whether you can take that girl on the date or not. 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:40.720 It's all sales. 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:44.480 Building your value and conveying that, delivering that and making 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:46.839 things come your way. And that's how I live my life. 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:49.440 And the more I looked into the game, I was 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:52.520 so excited, Like, You've got a bunch of random people 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:55.680 from all walks of life, all ages, all cultures put 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:58.000 in one spot that've all got their own techniques of 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:00.280 how to build value, how to build relationships, and they're 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:03.320 all fighting for five hundred k, putting themselves first. 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:05.400 That is so fun. And it was like, fuck, yes, 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:06.240 I'm out, I'm going. 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:08.160 Did they talk to you about what the theme was 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:11.440 pretty quickly, because I mean you specifically seemed like you 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:13.920 suited your theme maybe a little bit more than some 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:16.599 of the others. Was that in the initial conversation or 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:17.440 did that come later? 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:19.960 So we never said I'm a Titan, I'm a rebel. 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:21.480 To be honest, it funny that you say that I'm 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:24.160 more towards a titan because I feel like I should 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:25.000 have been of the rebels. 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:27.040 I think Titan. When I think of the amount of 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:30.560 food you're eating, I think that's Titan. You know, you know, 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:33.200 after watching your gameplay and I think this has happened 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:35.760 for a few of a few of you, really these 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:37.800 do start to think maybe it's the other way around. 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:40.280 I feel like the edit hasn't really shown my gameplay 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:42.760 much at all, like my confessionals and the way I 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:45.800 thought and the way I navigated through the game. At 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:47.240 the end of the day, I don't think it even 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:49.800 matters what the theme is, like Titans versus Rebels. At 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:52.000 the end of the day, everyone's got a split of both, 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:52.600 I reckon. 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:54.000 I mean, at the end of the day, it's just 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:56.920 a really great way to set up a series. At 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.240 the end of the day, we're watching the same format. 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:02.960 I think it's it's not vital. It's not always vital, 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:06.559 I should say, you know, I'm assuming last night's result 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:10.360 wasn't the clarity that you wanted. What do you think 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:11.480 about that speech now? 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:13.440 I mean, to be honest, I think the way it 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:15.160 was edited, it sort of looked like I just said 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:17.360 that out of nowhere. But I was answering a question, 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:19.640 and I still sick by it. It was sort of like, 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:22.120 it doesn't matter how long we talk at tribal for 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:25.160 because everyone's going to be saying shit saying this, and 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:27.760 that the clarity will come after the votes come out. 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:29.160 That's sort of what I was saying. 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:31.439 Well, what was the question then? So j Orp must 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:33.320 have asked you a specific question. 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:37.240 Is there clarity something that? And so he set you up. 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:39.760 He set me up, and it made me seem like 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:43.040 I'm just randomly saying that, like, guys, clarity is coming, 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:46.200 Like but yeah, what I meant by that is just 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:48.280 all the alliances, like the truth comes out with the 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:52.000 votes and that trouble in particular, there was a lot 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:55.680 going on and where people actually sit was about to 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:56.480 be shown very soon. 0:11:56.679 --> 0:11:59.280 That felt like you were really kind of out of 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:01.880 the loop. Who are you most shocked about? 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:03.679 I actually wasn't shocked at all. 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:04.640 Really. 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:07.240 I was shocked that it would happen that night. 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:10.000 But everyone I thought that would vote for me voted 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:12.160 for me, and everyone that was going to vote with me, 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:14.720 and I knew wouldn't backstab me also didn't backstab me. 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:18.600 So seeing it come up in that way I mean 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:21.800 there was some satisfaction there to like my gauge on 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:24.760 the game and where players sit. I knew eating they 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:28.119 couldn't trust that closely. It was an arm's length alliance. 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:30.480 Keaty and Caroline. I knew you never had any sort 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:33.040 of loyalty towards me from the get go. They sort 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:35.319 of stuck together, and I feel like we just censor 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:37.800 them my gut feeling like it was never that genuine. 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:41.319 There'd be comments like I think Eden said at merge 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:43.800 he said, oh, I told you I would look after 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.480 Jaden and bring him along, you know, like, there you 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:46.839 go win. 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:49.240 I protected Jayden for you. And I'm just sitting there 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:50.719 thinking like, oh thanks, Eden. 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:53.400 But really, I know for a fact that you didn't 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:56.160 bring Jaden along because you wanted to look after him 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:59.360 for me. You know, he was someone had voted with you. 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:01.320 He would he just want to get through. He would 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:03.160 have voted anything you wanted to say. 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:04.960 And it was perfect for Jaden. He made it all 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:06.440 the way through the merge. He navigated that. 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:09.320 Well, but don't you don't come to me and say 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:11.200 I did it for you when I like it already 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:13.839 sends a lack of you know, it wasn't a genuine nature. 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:17.200 Yeah, the generosity. Talking about Jaden, we saw a sneak peek, 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:19.640 you know, of him getting pretty noisy about, you know, 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:23.679 him revenging your demise. Ultimately, do you want him to 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:26.800 avenge you? Do you want him to do that revenge plan? 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:29.520 I wouldn't say I want him to revenge me, like 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:31.480 I don't feel like, oh that guy got me, I 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:33.120 want him to get him back. 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:33.679 Not at all. 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:36.319 It's more I want him to go as far as 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:39.000 he can and the fact that this has triggered a 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:41.640 fire in him for him to properly play the game. 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:42.920 It really excites me. 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:47.280 And Jada is actually so smart and clever, and I 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:50.760 think through TV it sort of looks like he's not 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:52.760 in touch with what's going on, but it's more his 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:56.520 laid back nature. He actually is very socially aware, and 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:58.959 as an alliance, I think he's probably one of the 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:01.880 best people to align with because he's so loyal. He's 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:05.120 black and white, which maybe is a downfall in this game. 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:06.720 You know, if you don't like someone, you shouldn't just 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.320 outright let them know. But yeah, I think it's time 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:11.240 for Jaden to come out and for the people to 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:12.319 see how good he is as well. 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:14.679 I think it's going to happen. Do you think all 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:16.720 these players that are still left in there wanting to 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:20.840 revenge people? You know, we've got Valeria wanting to avenge Viola. 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:22.880 I don't necessarily know if that's going to work well 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:24.880 for their game plan. Shouldn't you just stick to what 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:27.640 you were doing, because might it be a distraction to 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:30.520 change some of your ideas on getting to the end 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:33.880 just to you know, avenge someone exactly. 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:35.920 I think I agree with you completely. I would have 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:37.680 done the same. I don't think I would have thought 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:40.000 of revenge at all. At the end of the day, 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:42.160 you came to this island trying to win that five 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:44.880 hundred K, trying to be the last one there. Like, sure, 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:48.480 people backstab you this that happens, but that's personal feelings 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:50.480 that you have to separate from the game. We're going 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:52.640 to see each other off the island in a few 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:54.880 months anyway. Right now, you want to get to the 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:56.960 next day and you want to be the sole survivor, 0:14:57.240 --> 0:15:00.240 so think about the steps that get you to that point. 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:03.680 So I don't think revenge and you know, all that's important, 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:05.680 but I can also see why it would be like 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:07.320 satisfying to do that. 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:09.520 A big talking point as well is, you know, did 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:12.800 you think that Scott leaving the show should have allowed 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:15.160 for your immunity to be used the next day? We 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:18.040 saw you not being able to use that, and now 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:20.800 everyone's talking about that online about what could have or 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:23.440 should have happened in that scenario. I get the feeling 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:25.960 that I think that they could have rolled the challenges again, 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:28.520 because that's a big obstacle of the game where well, 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:33.440 if he's winners immune, still we don't do the challenges. 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:35.960 Where I think that they could have rolled those challenges 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:38.320 again and then two people would have had immunity in 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:39.640 that tribal council, right. 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:42.080 Yeah, I completely agree. I you know, I won the challenge. 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:46.040 It was so painful and I didn't even get to 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:49.840 use it. And I think Scott quitting is external to 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:52.480 the game, right like he I completely get him trying 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:55.080 to quit, but why quit at tribal you know, why 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:57.480 not quit the next morning after we vote, Like Scott 0:15:57.560 --> 0:15:59.520 was one of our crucial numbers we needed that night 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:02.480 as well. And yeah, there was a moment I sort 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:04.840 of went aside and just had to chat with some people, 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:08.160 like just on like the internal gameplay, certain people were 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:10.200 supposed to be voted out tonight. If you want to quit, 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:13.080 that's completely fine, but that's external to the game. So 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:15.000 I don't think it's right that you interfere with the 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:17.160 game internally and say, you know, vote for me. 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:18.920 Like all the mental health stuff. 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:21.240 You know, fair enough, it's fucking horrible out there, but 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:24.520 you're affecting the gameplay right now. Just do it tomorrow? 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:27.960 One more sleep and yeah. I asked Jonathan specifically at 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:30.359 travel that night, do I get to use this tomorrow? 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:32.880 And he said yes, and then he got taken away. 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:35.160 Well, there's a twist of that. It's interesting because I 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:36.960 was thinking about this, so I wondered if coming off 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:39.480 the back of having an immunity, you know, that kind 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:41.800