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Speaker 2: Because if you wait for the perfect moment to arrive,

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Speaker 2: it just itIt never does. Family life just will consume you.

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Speaker 1: I'm very nervous about recording this podcast episode with you,

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Speaker 1: missus Coulson. Caught in the Act is the name of

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Speaker 1: the episode, Court in the Act, And you know what

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Speaker 3: Guys.

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Speaker 1: Sebastian was recently in the news confessing owning up to

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Speaker 2: The first and he definitely won't be the last.

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Speaker 3: We are embarrassing ourselves.

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Speaker 3: We've been able to connect.

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Speaker 1: Like I don't know that we actually explicitly turn around

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Speaker 1: Let's be intentional about tonight having the kids have a

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Speaker 1: something that we're very excited about, but let's just I

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Speaker 1: think that's probably I know I've kind of put words

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Speaker 1: where you're going with that intentionality and that prioritization.

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Speaker 2: Well, definitely, because if you wait for the perfect moment

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Speaker 2: you and before you know it, you've got nothing left

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Speaker 1: The idea today was to give Guy Sebastian a hard

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Speaker 1: we've actually made him feel quite safe compared to what

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Speaker 1: we've shared. But hopefully these ideas are useful when it

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Speaker 1: comes to trying to get the high quality intimacy that

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Speaker 1: because it can really be tricky. Lock the door, teach

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Speaker 1: them to knock, have good, healthy conversations about intimacy, and.

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Speaker 3: Carve time out for it in your own life.

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Speaker 1: The Happy Families podcast is produced by Justin Ruland from

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Speaker 1: Bridge Media.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of this topic, if you're a Happy Families member,

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Speaker 1: It's all about how we can make our partnered marriage

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Speaker 1: in meaningful and intimate ways. It's not so much about

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