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Speaker 1: Joining me on the line right now is the Independent

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Speaker 1: Member for Ara lu And, Robin Lamley.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Robin, Good morning Katie. Robin.

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Speaker 1: You just heard that interview with the Chief Minister Natasha Files.

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Speaker 1: What did you make of what she had to say?

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Speaker 3: I feel just so completely disillusioned and disappointed in our

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Speaker 3: Chief Minister. I'm a great believer, Katie that if you

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Speaker 3: make a mistake, even as a politician, you own it

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Speaker 3: and saying sorry goes a long way. I actually think

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Speaker 3: people respect you more for taking ownership of the things

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Speaker 3: you don't get particularly right and saying sorry. And there

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Speaker 3: was just no admission of fault or the fact that

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Speaker 3: they could have done things better by the Chief Minister

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Speaker 3: at all. And I think that's the definition of arrogance.

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Speaker 3: I know, well I remember it used to get bandied

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Speaker 3: around a lot the former Colp government that word arrogant.

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Speaker 3: But I think the Chief Minister has really excelled herself

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Speaker 3: when it comes to arrogance this morning.

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Speaker 1: Well it was it's quite disheartening to hear, as you said,

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Speaker 1: you know, there's sort of no you know, no regret,

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Speaker 1: no even discussing of how things could have been done differently.

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Speaker 1: But Robin, the numbers in that report are horrifying, to

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Speaker 1: put it really bluntly. You know, I will read them

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Speaker 1: out again, but we know that in the Darrell Anderson Report,

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Speaker 1: since twenty twenty one, Alice Springs has seen a seventy

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Speaker 1: nine point four percent increase in.

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Speaker 2: Alcohol related assaults.

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Speaker 1: There's been a ninety six point seven percent increase in

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Speaker 1: alcohol involved domestic violence related assaults. Clinical reports from the

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Speaker 1: emergency department at the hospital have observed an increase in

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Speaker 1: the severity of harm being inflicted on women since the

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Speaker 1: Stronger Futures Act ended. And the report, I mean, it

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Speaker 1: tells us what we've all sort of already known. And

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Speaker 1: then when you look at the property offenses as well, Robin,

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Speaker 1: you've been, like you literally said to me on the

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Speaker 1: show last year, Katie, we are begging for help.

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Speaker 3: And we have been. These figures we've seen increase escalate

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Speaker 3: months on months, year on year for at least the

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Speaker 3: last three years. So there's no excuse for their inaction.

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Speaker 3: They made a decision a long time ago to ignore

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Speaker 3: the problem down here. They've neglected us, you know, in hindsight,

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Speaker 3: coming away from that big public meeting that was held

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Speaker 3: in Alice Springs last Monday. I wasn't particularly in favor

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Speaker 3: of the class action idea because it's just not me.

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Speaker 3: It's not sort of in my DNA to go down

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Speaker 3: that track that I get it. You know, you read

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Speaker 3: that report from Darell Anderson and it's in and why

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Speaker 3: just how poorly we have been treated by this government

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Speaker 3: And for Natasha Philes to say so Katie fifteen times

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Speaker 3: and talk about how complex and multifactorial it is given

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Speaker 3: her total inaction for so long, just makes me sick.

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Speaker 3: You know, we've been damaged down here, Aboriginal and non

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Speaker 3: Aboriginal people across the board, we have all been damaged

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Speaker 3: by this Chief Minister's lack of attention to caring for us,

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Speaker 3: to her decision not to act responsibly. And before her

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Speaker 3: came the former police Minister, I used to ask her

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Speaker 3: questions every month in Parliament, Nicole Manathon, what are you

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Speaker 3: going to do about this deteriorating state of law and

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Speaker 3: order in Alice Springs And she would give the same

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Speaker 3: repetitive response, basically talking about how much money they've trawn

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Speaker 3: at the police and how they're doing a great job.

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Speaker 3: No one believes you anymore, and the factspeg louder than were, Robin.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that the position that the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: government is in right now and the Chief Minister is tenable?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's not tenable from our perspective down here. They're

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Speaker 3: all charging into Alice Springs as we speak to attend

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Speaker 3: a Labor caucus meeting in Alice Springs. I just had

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Speaker 3: a text from someone at the airport saying that they're

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Speaker 3: all strolling in as if they own the place. I mean,

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Speaker 3: people down here can't stand the side of these people

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Speaker 3: because of how poorly they have been treated. I think

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Speaker 3: that if I was to say anyone's position is untenable,

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Speaker 3: it would be the Chief Minister and her Attorney General,

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Speaker 3: who is the only minister from Central Australia in her cabinet.

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Speaker 3: Those two led the charge to lift the alcohol bands

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Speaker 3: and which has precipitated this die position we'rein at the moment.

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Speaker 3: They should take responsibility, they should own it, and at

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Speaker 3: a bare minimum they should say give a deep and

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Speaker 2: Know it doesn't sound that way. I did.

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Speaker 1: I was going to ask the Chief Minister a little

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Speaker 1: bit more about your comments on Sky News yesterday. I

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Speaker 1: didn't get the opportunity, unfortunately, but I know that you

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Speaker 1: called Chancey Paike a radical ideologue who's responsible for this

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Speaker 1: whole mess. What did you mean by that?

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Speaker 3: Well, I've been calling Chancey Paike, our Attorney General, a

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Speaker 3: radical extremist for a long time. I don't agree with

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Speaker 3: particularly this decision he made some time ago to lift

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Speaker 3: these gog restrictions. I think he's got a conflict of

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Speaker 3: interest with Tonguajira Council, which he has failed to declare.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it, I know it, and in anyone's book,

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Speaker 3: that can constitute what is commonly referred to as corruption.

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Speaker 3: Now on loads to use that word, but it does

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Speaker 3: spell out that to me, he hasn't been upfront about

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Speaker 3: his relationship with the various members of the Executive of

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Speaker 3: who he is friends with, and the fact that they

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Speaker 3: have been the only vocal organization average organization in the

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Speaker 3: northern Territory to support that position of lifting the grog

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Speaker 3: bands is more than suspicious. In my book, it's a

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Speaker 3: he led the campaign within his caucus, within the Cabinet

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Speaker 3: room and look at where we are now. He needs

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Speaker 3: to go. No one in Alice Springs has got an

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Speaker 3: got the same amount of respect for the Chief Minister.

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Speaker 3: When you feel that no care and no responsibility from

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Speaker 3: the Chief Minister and the Attorney General of the Northern Territory,

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Speaker 3: then the public will turn their back on them. And

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Speaker 3: the reception they'll get down here this week is they

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Speaker 3: wander around at theretend that they're loved and adored, will

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Speaker 3: be disappointing for them.

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Speaker 1: Robin, it's a big call, you know, the Chancey Pake

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Speaker 1: and the conflict of interest with Tongue in Jee Town Council.

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Speaker 3: Everybody knows about it. Is that something talks about it.

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Speaker 1: Is it something that you would refer or would report

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Speaker 1: to the Eye CAAC or anywhere.

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Speaker 3: Else potentially, Yes, I'm thinking.

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Speaker 2: About that, So you're considering it right now?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, a referral to Eye CAAC. I think it's the impact.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's conflicts of interest, and there's conflicts of interest,

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Speaker 3: but this conflict of interest has had such a devastating

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Speaker 3: in Central Australia. You can't get away with that sort

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Speaker 3: of behavior at a bare minimum. You have to own

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Speaker 3: the conflicts that you have. And it's a simple process.

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Speaker 3: You say, unrelated to so and so, and they work here,

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Speaker 3: you know, we all know how it works. But there's

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Speaker 3: been no declaration of a conflict of interest at all

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Speaker 3: coming from the Attorney General. And I think that's the

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Speaker 3: source of a lot of our troubles down here, the

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Speaker 3: fact that he was so influential in his caucus and

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Speaker 3: in the Cabinet over this decision, this crazy, insane, irresponsible

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Speaker 3: decision to lift the grog bands. Despite the advice from

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Speaker 3: reputable people, Aboriginal people across the Northern Territory, they charged on.

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Speaker 3: They didn't listen to anyone. The Chief Minister did not

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Speaker 3: was led by the impressiveness to Chancey Paig and both

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Speaker 3: of them have egg on their faces. The chickens have

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Speaker 3: come home to roots. They've made a very very bad

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Speaker 3: decision and it's come back to buy them.

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Speaker 2: Robin, I am going to have to get ready to

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Speaker 2: wrap up.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, we know that there is going to be territory

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Speaker 1: wide you know, alcohol restrictions now back in place. That

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Speaker 1: legislation is being drafted. We also know that two hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty million dollars is going to be invested by

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Speaker 1: the federal government. In addition to forty eight million dollars

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Speaker 1: which was announced last year, it's nearly three hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel as though there is a hope for

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Speaker 1: Central Australia.

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Speaker 3: I don't trust this government for a second. They have

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Speaker 3: not spent any money down here at all. They promised

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Speaker 3: twenty million dollars for our CBD revitalization program in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 3: They still haven't even spent that. I think you'll find

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Speaker 3: that a lot of this money goes up to is centralized,

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Speaker 3: back up to Darwin, and we will see very little

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Speaker 3: of it. And in terms of the alcohol restrictions, yes

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Speaker 3: they need to stay in place. This whole business of

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Speaker 3: a ballot for people on those lands, in those stations

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Speaker 3: and town camps, that's an example of political nonsense and trickery.

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Speaker 3: It would never be done to anyone satisfaction. Those restrictions

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Speaker 3: have to stay in place for many years until law

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Speaker 3: and order can be restored across Central Australia.

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Speaker 1: Robin Lanley, the Independent member for Ara lun I, always

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Speaker 1: appreciate your time. Thank you very much for speaking with

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Speaker 1: me this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Katie, thank you