Speaker 1: Gooday, Peter, Hell are you here? Welcome to You Ain't
Speaker 1: seen nothing yet? The movie Podcast, where I chat to
Speaker 1: a movie lover about a classic or beloved movie they
Speaker 1: haven't quite got around to watching until now. And today's
Speaker 1: guests from My Ship of Australia. Melissa Leon.
Speaker 2: You ever dance for the Devil in the vale Line?
Speaker 1: I'm walking ahead. I'm walking ahead.
Speaker 3: Of all the gin joints in all the towns in
Speaker 3: all the world.
Speaker 2: She walks into.
Speaker 1: Mind what happening right now?
Speaker 2: You ain't seen nothing yet.
Speaker 1: It's hard to imagine a TV gig that had more
Speaker 1: pressure than replacing much loved Marster Chef, judges, Matt, George
Speaker 1: and Gary on the Culinary TV Juggernaut. It was the
Speaker 1: talk of the town who would be the chosen ones?
Speaker 1: Big names Curtis Stone, Nigella Laws and Gordon Ramsay were
Speaker 1: bandied around. You would need big names, surely. Well, a
Speaker 1: rare thing happened. Marster Chef rolled the dice and hired
Speaker 1: three names most Australians were unfamiliar with. They just happened
Speaker 1: to be the three best people for the job. Alongside
Speaker 1: former contestant Andy Allen, Scottish Italian Ozzie Chef Jopson Frillo
Speaker 1: and food writer broadcaster Melissa Leon and what a roll
Speaker 1: of the dice it was. Marster Chef All Stars became
Speaker 1: one of the most successful seasons of Marster Chef Ever,
Speaker 1: with Ozzie's taking the newbie judges into their hearts and
Speaker 1: more importantly, into their lounge rooms. All three a bloody
Speaker 1: fantastic But I don't think I'm being particularly outrageous in
Speaker 1: stating that the standout was today's guest Melissa Lyon. Melissa
Speaker 1: exudes warmth, intelligence and empathy. Her ability to connect with
Speaker 1: the contestant's journey and to recognize in the moment what
Speaker 1: this moment means in the life of the person trembling
Speaker 1: in front of her with a slightly overt piece of
Speaker 1: lamb is a joy to watch. Melissa Leong is one
Speaker 1: of the brightest and joyous people to emerge on Australian
Speaker 1: TV in recent years, and I'm bloody stoked to be
Speaker 1: hanging with her today.
Speaker 2: Hello, my name's Melissa Leong, and my three favorite movies
Speaker 2: are Killed Bill. Bad Woman deserves her revenge. Mean girls,
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just like the rules of feminism.
Speaker 1: And Russia to eat nothing less than the finest chef
Speaker 1: in front.
Speaker 2: And until this week, I had never seen when Harry
Speaker 2: yet Sally.
Speaker 1: Yes, Harry Connick Junior sets the mood in Rob Ryiner's
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine watershed romantic comedy When Harry Met Sally,
Speaker 1: written by legend Nora Ephron. We meet Harry Burns, Billy Crystal,
Speaker 1: and Sally or Bright Meg Ryan in nineteen seventy nine,
Speaker 1: just as they meet at the University of Chicago, and
Speaker 1: they're about to spend eighteen hours in a car as
Speaker 1: they drive towards their futures in New York City. They
Speaker 1: don't exactly hate each other, but they don't exactly get
Speaker 1: along either. Harry's abrupt nature he's spitting pips out into
Speaker 1: the passenger seats window grind Sally's gears weill had naivety
Speaker 1: and optimism rubs up against Harry straight shooting, slightly world
Speaker 1: weary way. It's along this trip that Harry shares his
Speaker 1: theory that frames this movie that men and women can
Speaker 1: never really be friends because the sex part always gets
Speaker 1: in the way. On arrival in New York, Harry and
Speaker 1: Sally go their separate ways until meeting five years down
Speaker 1: the track. Both their circumstances have changed, so have they
Speaker 1: as people, but not quite enough. They go their separate
Speaker 1: ways once again, only to meet up five years later,
Speaker 1: and this time something has shifted, something has changed. Their
Speaker 1: friendship becomes real, it's genuine. But can they ever really
Speaker 1: truly be just friends? Melissa Leon, My first question to you,
Speaker 1: you're a fashionable woman. Have you ever or would you
Speaker 1: have ever kept a wagon wheel coffee table?
Speaker 2: Oh? My god, that thing is horrific. I loved it.
Speaker 2: That was so funny. It's just there are so many
Speaker 2: moments in that. But yeah, that that wagon wheel coffee table,
Speaker 2: any wagon bill coffee table, even in a at place,
Speaker 2: I think is a.
Speaker 1: Bit I looked at a coffee table and thought, is
Speaker 1: this ahead of its time? Perhaps maybe that's the problem.
Speaker 1: It's too fashion forward up cycling.
Speaker 2: You know that we are in we are in a
Speaker 2: phase of life where we need to do with what
Speaker 2: we have, you know, So you know, who am I
Speaker 2: to knock it? I'm open mind. Someone presented me with
Speaker 2: a really attractive wagon wheel coffee table. Look, I'd like
Speaker 2: to think that I could meet it with fresh eyes. Then,
Speaker 2: but in the context of the of the nineties. I think, yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe not, maybe not in my home.
Speaker 1: Maybe I like that to someone else's you are you
Speaker 1: are team Carrie Fisher on this on this one. So
Speaker 1: why did you welcome? First of all, it's it's such
Speaker 1: a I'm so excited to have you on the show.
Speaker 1: Why did you choose when Harry met Salie?
Speaker 2: Well? I think because it sort of laid the blueprint
Speaker 2: for modern, you know, sort of comedic romance films. So
Speaker 2: many came after that that sort of referenced it in
Speaker 2: some way, and it really, in my mind, was one
Speaker 2: of those movies that whenever you speak to someone who
Speaker 2: loves film, it really set the bar for that sort
Speaker 2: of format of film. And you know, I love films
Speaker 2: from all kinds of genres. But I thought, well, you
Speaker 2: need I think, if you want to understand something or
Speaker 2: appreciate it, it's always good to go back to the
Speaker 2: beginning and go back to something that really sets the
Speaker 2: bars and you can kind of, you know, understand it
Speaker 2: in a slightly more complex fashion. And I thought, well,
Speaker 2: I've never seen it, and you know I do love
Speaker 2: a good rom com from time to time, so I thought, well,
Speaker 2: here we go. This is an opportunity to kind of
Speaker 2: tick some, you know, tick some off the list of
Speaker 2: the bucket list of movies. You know, do you ever
Speaker 2: have do you have a have a notepad on my
Speaker 2: phone of whenever anybody mentions a show or a book
Speaker 2: or a movie, and that list keeps growing. Yea, So
Speaker 2: this is a really great one, just to be able
Speaker 2: to remove at least one from that list.
Speaker 1: Well, this is what I've loved about doing this podcast.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's a movie and I've seen When Harry Met Sally.
Speaker 1: I think I saw it when I first came out,
Speaker 1: and I've seen it many times since. I haven't seen
Speaker 1: it for a few years, so it's great to revisit it.
Speaker 1: But it's equally great for me to watch a movie
Speaker 1: that I love and have somebody watch it for the
Speaker 1: first time and watch it through almost their eyes. But
Speaker 1: also there are films that in this podcast that I've
Speaker 1: never seen. It was part of the reason I wanted
Speaker 1: to do it, you know, I've never seen film and
Speaker 1: Luise and they've seen that, and Butchcassidy in The Sundance Kid,
Speaker 1: and there are so many films two thousand and one recently,
Speaker 1: you know, So that's exciting for me and I've even
Speaker 1: learned a lot more about When Harry Met Sally than
Speaker 1: I knew just through watching it on the couch. You
Speaker 1: might in might taxi pants over the years, So there's
Speaker 1: a lot to talk about. And you make a very
Speaker 1: good point about what When Harry Met Sally means to
Speaker 1: romantic comedies, the modern romantic comedy. Yeah, it's absolutely a
Speaker 1: landmark movie.
Speaker 2: From the name comes up in so many different references,
Speaker 2: and I remember watching Brooklyn ninety nine and you know,
Speaker 2: it's it sort of comes up as sort of this
Speaker 2: little shameful secret that Noura Efron movies or were one
Speaker 2: of the characters, main characters, sort of favorite little things,
Speaker 2: because it's sort of just this beautiful, you know, beautifully complex,
Speaker 2: sort of very New York sort of set of set
Speaker 2: of films and books and screenplays and all of the
Speaker 2: rest of it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, and we should we'll talk about where
Speaker 1: this fits in with all that stuff later on and
Speaker 1: even within the careers of Billy Chrysler, Meg Ryan, but
Speaker 1: I will just brought out there's the frame Nora Efron.
Speaker 1: So she wrote like Heartburn, which is a huge novel,
Speaker 1: and then wrote the screenplay silk Wood and then she
Speaker 1: writes she forms a relationship with Brian and they kind
Speaker 1: of consult and more. Everyone writes this while Rob Ryan
Speaker 1: is making other films, And we'll get to these other films.
Speaker 1: Rob Eriner has an extraordinary run in the Ages. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if I went on to do Sleepers in Seattle, You've
Speaker 1: got Male, Julian and Juliet amongst others. So she is
Speaker 1: an absolute legend. So we'll come back to all of that.
Speaker 1: I want to know about your three favorite films. Okay, fascinating,
Speaker 1: absolutely fascinating, Kill Bill.
Speaker 2: Let's start with that kill Bill Tarantino. I mean, whenever
Speaker 2: I think about how much Printon Tarentine and must go
Speaker 2: about music and film especially, it just blows my mind
Speaker 2: because I don't think I'll ever know anything about anything
Speaker 2: as much as he knows about cinema. It's crazy. But
Speaker 2: what I love about Chill Bill is but I mean,
Speaker 2: I love Quentin Tarantino's filmmaking style. It's that sort of
Speaker 2: mash up of so many different genre is that come
Speaker 2: together in a way that just feels completely seamless and
Speaker 2: signature and visceral, and you know, there's there's violence and
Speaker 2: humor and you know, references to spaghetti westerns and all
Speaker 2: kinds of things, and the soundtracks are the best soundtracks.
Speaker 2: I think they're really some of the best in that
Speaker 2: in the history of film, I think. And so I
Speaker 2: really just love how sort of intensely, you know, they
Speaker 2: make you feel about things. And so just the the
Speaker 2: story of kill Bill, you know, strong female lead and
Speaker 2: so many strong female characters in general, but it's just
Speaker 2: it's fun, and you know, everybody loves a little bit
Speaker 2: of indication as well.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, yeah, And you make a great point.
Speaker 1: I love that Tarantino takes music in his score is soundtrack,
Speaker 1: so seriously, you know that he you know it really
Speaker 1: I might be wrong, but for my I understand. He thinks.
Speaker 1: It's almost the first things he starts thinking about when
Speaker 1: he's writing, you know, and that's you know, I think
Speaker 1: that's so smart to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that a film score can really, you know,
Speaker 2: contributes to something that you're not necessarily thinking about, but
Speaker 2: you definitely feel and it really completes the picture. So
Speaker 2: thinking about like, I studied music a long time ago,
Speaker 2: and I remember back in school and we were sort
Speaker 2: of talking about like in your morotony and his contributions
Speaker 2: to sort of that spaghetti western style of film, and
Speaker 2: it's classic and anytime you hear it, you don't necessarily
Speaker 2: have to know it, but you hear it and then
Speaker 2: you feel it and you can see the images sort
Speaker 2: of come to life for you. So I think it
Speaker 2: is a really intelligent sort of way of considering film.
Speaker 2: Is how it also scores and so that's and it's just,
Speaker 2: you know, music is just such a fun thing and
Speaker 2: it's a big part of my life as well. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I really really love Kill Bill and just the the
Speaker 2: styling of it, the you know, they just the I
Speaker 2: don't know, it's just really fun, good glory fun.
Speaker 1: It is extremely violent, is it. Do you think He's
Speaker 1: most violent film?
Speaker 2: Ah? Look, they're all violent in their own way. I mean, look,
Speaker 2: you know when there's this scene you know, in the
Speaker 2: in the the in Tokyo when they're killing the crazy
Speaker 2: eighty eight and there's just the limbs pissing blood everywhere,
Speaker 2: and just you know, it's just it takes violence to
Speaker 2: a comedic place, I think in that regard, and it's
Speaker 2: that's pretty great. But yeah, I mean they're all I
Speaker 2: like that violence is used as a mechanism in Tarantinose films,
Speaker 2: and you know, I love pulp fiction was definitely up
Speaker 2: there as well for me in terms of putting that
Speaker 2: on the list. But you know that's also pretty weird
Speaker 2: and violent in its own way too. So yeah, it
Speaker 2: says about Mery.
Speaker 1: There's a pixil film coming up, so there's a good balance.
Speaker 2: To bring some balance.
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about Ratato then. Really it came up recently.
Speaker 1: Is somebody's favorite film Tommy Gaslo Comedian. Yeah, and there's
Speaker 1: there's obviously a connection with with what you do without
Speaker 1: a toy, So tell us, tell us about your love
Speaker 1: for Ratty.
Speaker 2: Look, I came to Ratichuy quite late. I'm a little
Speaker 2: bit adverse to food films. I know that sounds like
Speaker 2: a very strange thing because people would assume, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: you're working food, you would love to consume every movie
Speaker 2: that sort of has a really strong food reference. But
Speaker 2: I'm generally quite averse to it because usually it's really
Speaker 2: bad or you know, I just food is my work
Speaker 2: and my world, but I kind of don't necessarily want
Speaker 2: to chase that in my fin and your going life,
Speaker 2: So I don't tend to kind of err on the
Speaker 2: side of those things. But I do like a good
Speaker 2: Pixar film, and a couple of years ago I was
Speaker 2: introduced to Ratatuy and I it was one of those
Speaker 2: movies that I watched and I wondered why I had
Speaker 2: held off for so long, because it is one of
Speaker 2: the most charming, adorably beautiful, emotional films. And now whenever
Speaker 2: I'm having like a shit day, that's something that I
Speaker 2: might put on. It's like a you know, it's like
Speaker 2: a safety blanket in a way. It's sort of a
Speaker 2: really lovely, lovely thing. And I think that there's room
Speaker 2: in the world, especially in the world right now, for
Speaker 2: creations that are southing Yeah, yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1: I think I made the point that Tommy when he
Speaker 1: brought U Ratatuy, that he it's also looks like the
Speaker 1: world of the critic, and it doesn't, you know. And
Speaker 1: I always find it's a hard balance for a film
Speaker 1: to get right too, because it's almost like they've got
Speaker 1: they've got game in talking about criticism because the film's
Speaker 1: going to be critiques, and all the work everyone's ever
Speaker 1: done making that film has been critiqued in you know,
Speaker 1: their past projects. But I think does a really good
Speaker 1: job of getting it right.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I just I think, you know, it's setting
Speaker 2: up the world of food in such a beautiful way,
Speaker 2: because you know, food is the common denominator for all
Speaker 2: of us, every living every living thing on this planet
Speaker 2: requires food. And so you take something so granular, so simple,
Speaker 2: and so humble, like a dish of ratatuy, and then
Speaker 2: you sort of cast it into this world of elitism.
Speaker 2: And food is such an elite sport in so many ways.
Speaker 2: I know friends that prior to pandemic would fly around
Speaker 2: the world to collect restaurants and you know, and meals
Speaker 2: just to say they've done them. You know, like I
Speaker 2: know people that have flown to front for latch, like
Speaker 2: it's insane. And so looking at that world of how
Speaker 2: you can take something so humble and make it so elite,
Speaker 2: and it's perverse because it's really such a perverse thing.
Speaker 2: But then to sort of bust it back down to
Speaker 2: what really what is the what's the thing that we
Speaker 2: all love? There is something very simple, very accessible about that,
Speaker 2: that one thing, and and sharing that love of something humble,
Speaker 2: that that sustenance, that nourishment, I think is just such
Speaker 2: a beautiful universe about.
Speaker 1: The film absolutely Mean Girls. We've also covered on It's
Speaker 1: a great film written by Tina Fey. You know, she's
Speaker 1: she's the goat, I think, you know, and obviously Lindsay
Speaker 1: Lowen in her best performance ever, maybe her one truly
Speaker 1: great performance. Absolutely Amy Paula, Like, there's so much to
Speaker 1: love about this film. We covered it with Sam Mack,
Speaker 1: who really enjoyed it. Tell us that your love of
Speaker 1: men girls look I.
Speaker 2: Think as a as a any girl, like any woman,
Speaker 2: you know, you've gone through high school, you understand the
Speaker 2: clickiness of your own human existence, and so there's just
Speaker 2: something about firstly, just any kind of high school setup
Speaker 2: is just I love it because I think we're all
Speaker 2: you know, well, I'm definitely far up away from it
Speaker 2: to be able to laugh at it.
Speaker 1: Delicia's screens just being invaded by her one of her cats, my.
Speaker 2: Cats own my life on and become that guy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So Mean Girls, high school construct and just sort of watching,
Speaker 2: you know, watching things, you know, sort of play out
Speaker 2: the way that they do. You kind of you know,
Speaker 2: you're always routing for the underdog in that situation, but
Speaker 2: just looking I love that sort of the comparison to
Speaker 2: of all the clicks in the high school to animals
Speaker 2: at the watering hole.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just.
Speaker 2: That very instinct that we have, you know, not just
Speaker 2: as high school as because I really have a theory
Speaker 2: that no matter how far you get away from high school,
Speaker 2: you stay in some kind of you know, personality or
Speaker 2: sort of click within that high school kind of thing.
Speaker 2: And there are people that were the you know, the
Speaker 2: bullied kid at school who is now winning a life
Speaker 2: that still carries some you know, little chip on their
Speaker 2: shoulder about being that person. So it's very, very interesting.
Speaker 2: But it's just so beautifully written. It's it's so amazingly
Speaker 2: you know, performed as well. You think about Amanda say Freed,
Speaker 2: Rachel McAdams, who shot a little bit of film trivia,
Speaker 2: the Notebook and Mean Girls in the same year, which
Speaker 2: is insane. I mean, what a year, like, what a
Speaker 2: career year. But it's just it's equal amounts of fun
Speaker 2: and snarkiness and come up and and all of those things.
Speaker 2: And just Amy Pohler, I mean.
Speaker 1: The cool mom, cool mom.
Speaker 2: The concrete fake boods when she's holding the chihuaha and
Speaker 2: it's like fighting fighting her and she can't feel it
Speaker 2: because everything's just completely you know completely plastic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the the the what's so great about that
Speaker 1: script and that what Tina Faye does all the time
Speaker 1: in her in her TV shows or her films. There
Speaker 1: are so many jokes in there, Like like Tim Meadows
Speaker 1: as the principal is so funny that assembly speech they
Speaker 1: do where Tina Fay's character gives the really you know,
Speaker 1: the really great kind of speech about you know, I
Speaker 1: guess it's a it's a it's a kind of feminist
Speaker 1: kind of rally crying away, but it's she doesn't forget
Speaker 1: the jokes and it doesn't take away, it doesn't completely
Speaker 1: undercut what we've seen. We still take all that on board. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Ti Meadows talking about canceling the DJ and it's
Speaker 1: so funny. It's so funny, and it's you know, it's
Speaker 1: hard to do. And I think it's what the film
Speaker 1: we're about to talk about does really well, where it
Speaker 1: doesn't get what it is and you can't.
Speaker 2: You can't forget humor. I think sort of the thing
Speaker 2: that you know, while these three movies seem quite you know, disparate,
Speaker 2: is there is an underpinning of finding the humor and
Speaker 2: the heart in things. And I think that That's something
Speaker 2: that I always try to do in life and to
Speaker 2: do and work as well. And I think that that's
Speaker 2: something that as humans we gravitate towards. Is sort of something,
Speaker 2: you know, something with substance and with meaning, and if
Speaker 2: it's communicated with humor, you know, it's that spoonful of sugar,
Speaker 2: isn't it.
Speaker 1: Absolutely let's take a quick break and we're going to
Speaker 1: come back and talk about I really want to know
Speaker 1: what you thought about Rob Ryan as nine and eighty
Speaker 1: nine classics, Starry Quickly, Crystal and Meg Ryan, when Harry
Speaker 1: met Sally. We're back with militaly On who has never
Speaker 1: seen up until this week when Harry met Sally, and
Speaker 1: I'm you know, we spoke about it very briefly at
Speaker 1: the start of the show, But what did you think.
Speaker 2: About What did I think about it? I have mixed
Speaker 2: feelings about it, and I know that that Contravenes' most
Speaker 2: critical reviews, because everybody in the history of you know,
Speaker 2: since nineteen eighty nine when it came out, loved it.
Speaker 2: From what I can see, I thought it was beautifully written,
Speaker 2: amazingly acted. And I also just I don't know if
Speaker 2: it's just because we're in Quarantine and all of the
Speaker 2: rest of it. But just seeing New York that way
Speaker 2: was just it made me really miss New York. And
Speaker 2: I've only ever been there a small handful of times,
Speaker 2: but it just is one of those cities that has
Speaker 2: such an act and in such a cliche when people
Speaker 2: sort of say, oh, you know, the New York is
Speaker 2: like the additional character in that movie, but it really is.
Speaker 2: It's such an amazing backdrop for the entire film to
Speaker 2: take place, so that in and of itself and we
Speaker 2: can talk about Catsistelli and all of that in the minute.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was just really nice to be able
Speaker 2: to see New York in that way. And I, yeah,
Speaker 2: why do I have mixed feelings about it? I have
Speaker 2: mixed feelings about it looking back in a movie that
Speaker 2: was made in nineteen eighty nine about ostensibly a straight
Speaker 2: white couple or you know, two friends sort of you know,
Speaker 2: navigating how they feel about the opposite sex and whether
Speaker 2: or not, you know, can men and women be friends
Speaker 2: and all of the rest of it. So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: for what it is a moment in time, I thought
Speaker 2: it was really great. Does it stand the test of
Speaker 2: time in many ways? Yes? And in some ways. No,
Speaker 2: I think that's sort of where I sort of come
Speaker 2: unstuck a little bit with that.
Speaker 1: If you are a progressive person who thinks about the
Speaker 1: world and where we are and where we've been, it's
Speaker 1: impossible not the Watcher when Harry Matt Saalein have that
Speaker 1: thought of going, what does this mean? I've wrestled with
Speaker 1: it a little bit, you know, and even from a
Speaker 1: I was wondering, Okay, well, if gender is binary is
Speaker 1: the question they're asking, can people be friends? Like I'm not,
Speaker 1: I guess and I.
Speaker 2: Don't want to ruin it obviously, you know, a movie
Speaker 2: is a movie. It was a certain place in a
Speaker 2: certain time, and a writer's certain outlook on life. And
Speaker 2: if you think about Nora Efron growing up, you know,
Speaker 2: sort of in a Jewish family and Beverly Hills and
Speaker 2: New York and leading sort of quite a charmed existence,
Speaker 2: quite a privileged existence. That's her world, and it's beautiful
Speaker 2: and it's neurotic and it's amazing, and so there's nothing
Speaker 2: to be taken away from that. But like I sort
Speaker 2: of felt, you know, there's there's that question, can I guess? Then?
Speaker 2: In today's parlance, two people who find each other attractive?
Speaker 2: Can they be friends? If you were to remake it
Speaker 2: for today's audience, I suppose.
Speaker 1: But there's nothing, there's nothing that wouldn't work if this
Speaker 1: was a gay couple. You know, like it is really
Speaker 1: just what you said is absolutely right, It's perfect. Like
Speaker 1: can two people be attracted together to each other and
Speaker 1: he'll be friends? I think that works really well because
Speaker 1: I yes, that's what gives it a leave part, you know,
Speaker 1: a tick for me and you know, and it comes
Speaker 1: up a bit on this podcast of how we feel
Speaker 1: about films that were made, and there's there's a little
Speaker 1: bit of sometimes parking that it's worth noting absolutely and
Speaker 1: people can absolutely make their own their own judges. There
Speaker 1: are far worse examples. I think that, Yeah, because that
Speaker 1: central question that frames the movie is you know, men
Speaker 1: and women be friends? It is it is a hard
Speaker 1: one to eat completely ignore.
Speaker 2: So yeah, absolutely, But I mean I think in terms
Speaker 2: of like the tension between the two main characters. I mean,
Speaker 2: when you mentioned the spitting the great seeds at the
Speaker 2: window at the beginning of the movie, I was like, yeah, Like.
Speaker 4: I started watching and I was like, really, this is
Speaker 4: how it's starting. He's spitting like when he's when he
Speaker 4: spits the first great seed and the window of the
Speaker 4: car is up and he's like spat at the window
Speaker 4: and she's driving, and I you know, I'm nowhere near
Speaker 4: it Eurotic.
Speaker 2: As as the characters as Meg Ryan's character in that movie.
Speaker 2: But my god, if someone just hopped in my car
Speaker 2: and I know that I'm going to be hanging out
Speaker 2: with them for eighteen hours and they just spat seeds,
Speaker 2: like firstly just spitting seeds out the window, like why
Speaker 2: are you even doing that? But the fact that the
Speaker 2: window was up, I'm just.
Speaker 1: Like, oh man, they really dialed the obnoxious level on
Speaker 1: Harry really high.
Speaker 2: Really yeah, I think, well, I think they did for
Speaker 2: both of them, and that really that's the whole setup
Speaker 2: of the movie, isn't it as sort of really showing,
Speaker 2: you know, the character flaws very very early on aest
Speaker 2: why they why they really irritate each other, and both
Speaker 2: characters irritate the audience. I think you know her that
Speaker 2: you know, like, I am not friends with someone who
Speaker 2: will order the salad deconstructed with the dressing on the side,
Speaker 2: and what was it the she'll have the slice of pie,
Speaker 2: but she'll have it warm with a strawberry ice cream
Speaker 2: instead of vanilla ice scope. See I can always remember
Speaker 2: the food elements strawberry ice giving sea of vanilla ice cream,
Speaker 2: and then the source on the side, but only if
Speaker 2: they had a particular kind of sort. But if there's
Speaker 2: no strawberry ice cream, then she'll have vanilla, but she
Speaker 2: won't have it warmed. And I'm just like, who's like,
Speaker 2: I just I hats off to the writing team to
Speaker 2: be someone is writing this so beautifully nuanced, fucking irritating
Speaker 2: dialogue and it was amazing, Like it did exactly what
Speaker 2: it was meant to do, which is set this, you know,
Speaker 2: set her up, set set Sally up to be this
Speaker 2: very controlling high like's. It was the introduction of high
Speaker 2: maintenance into sort of the whole dating world as a
Speaker 2: way to describe someone. I think I believe that was
Speaker 2: one of the first sort of times it was used.
Speaker 2: And then obviously haven't we haven't we taken that ball
Speaker 2: and run with it over the high maintenance. So yeah,
Speaker 2: she's really high maintenance and he's really irritating, but you
Speaker 2: can't help but notice that tension really fuels, you know,
Speaker 2: the fire, and then go off and don't see each
Speaker 2: other for a few years and come back and you
Speaker 2: can see how that's been tempered. But it's a it's
Speaker 2: a beautiful and very irritating set.
Speaker 1: Up and and great writing. And it comes up a
Speaker 1: bit with this podcast. Nothing there's no waste, it's it's
Speaker 1: everything's you know, there's an economy to it and that
Speaker 1: and also bits of dialogue will serve multi purposes, so
Speaker 1: that that idea is absolutely right, that Sally is high maintenance,
Speaker 1: and that greats Harry, and it greats to the audience
Speaker 1: as well. But what but what it also does It
Speaker 1: sets up later on when we're seeing when these two
Speaker 1: are having a breakthrough and they're starting to think of
Speaker 1: each other as maybe maybe more than friends or at least,
Speaker 1: you know, best friends. Harry gives that great compliment when
Speaker 1: they're at that date of going you know Sally, you
Speaker 1: know orders in a way that the chef doesn't even know.
Speaker 2: How Yeah, I absolutely, I absolutely love it. And it's
Speaker 2: that that thing right when you fall in love with someone,
Speaker 2: you love that person for all of their little peccadillos,
Speaker 2: and that's what makes them your person, is you love
Speaker 2: them not in spite of those things. But because of
Speaker 2: those things, and as their relationships sort of progresses over
Speaker 2: that twelve years of them sort of dancing around each other,
Speaker 2: you know, what starts off off as being so irritating
Speaker 2: just becomes the thing that makes each other, you know,
Speaker 2: makes Harry and Sally love each other so much and
Speaker 2: makes them know that they're meant to be together, which
Speaker 2: is a really beautiful symmetry. And there's so much, so
Speaker 2: much of that through the movie, even just the visuals
Speaker 2: of all the split screens and they're on the phone
Speaker 2: to each other watching Casablanca, or they're calling, you know,
Speaker 2: they're calling their friends and sort of relaying the what
Speaker 2: just happened to each other's friends, you know, and everything's
Speaker 2: in that that split screen kind of format. Just that visual,
Speaker 2: the physical visual of putting them next to each other
Speaker 2: even though they don't want to be together, I thought
Speaker 2: was really lovely.
Speaker 1: So yeah, absolutely, and we'll get to those scenes because
Speaker 1: they shot those scenes in quite a remarkable way. Did
Speaker 1: you love how quickly this film started, Like the economy
Speaker 1: of getting into this story. We basically start with Harry
Speaker 1: kissing his girlfriend Meg Ryan, arriving deep in the hall,
Speaker 1: and ninety seconds later they're in the car together and
Speaker 1: they are basically doing what they do for the rest
Speaker 1: of the movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it is. I sort of I'm not one
Speaker 2: for small talk, so I really like when people just
Speaker 2: get on with it. And this is a movie for
Speaker 2: people that hate small talk, because it just gets into
Speaker 2: the guts of what the movie is about straight from
Speaker 2: the get go. And you know, when they're just in
Speaker 2: the car and they're already so familiar with one another,
Speaker 2: I'm like, how is this going to go on for
Speaker 2: an entire however long the movie goes for, Because they're
Speaker 2: already in you know, they're already in it. They're already
Speaker 2: sort of like loving and hating each other. I thought, wow,
Speaker 2: But it's really testament to how beautifully written it is
Speaker 2: that you see it then grow and evolve and you go, okay,
Speaker 2: I see why, you know why this is the way
Speaker 2: that it is, And it's sort of you know, I
Speaker 2: love that very neurotic New York kind of you know
Speaker 2: writing and sense of humor that really sustains and gives it,
Speaker 2: gives it light and shade throughout the film.
Speaker 1: And what a great device it is. And I think
Speaker 1: Nora Refern's well aware of it to have a character
Speaker 1: who does is a straight shooter who puts the other
Speaker 1: one like it disarms the other one. I think Sally
Speaker 1: would be driving these conversations, but you need one character
Speaker 1: to overset the mark and to drive this.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolute.
Speaker 1: What I also love is is that I think they
Speaker 1: evolve in a really natural way. And one of the
Speaker 1: big things that I've learned about this movie, which I've
Speaker 1: never really picked up on, is and this makes it
Speaker 1: a really unique movie in this genre, is there are
Speaker 1: no external forces driving this relationship. Usually in a romantic comedy,
Speaker 1: you will have something else happening, as in one of
Speaker 1: the couples is in a relationship already, so they can't
Speaker 1: be together, or there's a class division that I can't
Speaker 1: quite get over. There's a job that's keeping apart, that they.
Speaker 2: Work on, obstacles, each other, their own.
Speaker 1: Neurosis, the vag they sort their ship out. But I
Speaker 1: think it's the message being that sometimes the timing is
Speaker 1: just not right, and I think it's a beautiful message.
Speaker 1: You know, to evolve as a person first before maybe
Speaker 1: you know, you know, or settling down with somebody you know,
Speaker 1: and that means settles in, you know, settled for someone,
Speaker 1: I just mean building, yeah.
Speaker 2: Building a life with someone like I mean, there's that
Speaker 2: whole sort of you know cliche that gets bandied about,
Speaker 2: which is, you know, you can't really beat with someone
Speaker 2: else until you good with who you are, and so
Speaker 2: it is really and you don't see in this film.
Speaker 2: What I like is sort of seeing how each of
Speaker 2: these characters sort of go evolve through heartbreak and evolve
Speaker 2: through the all of the things that happen when you're
Speaker 2: you know, if you find yourself single in your thirties,
Speaker 2: you know, just all all of the different themes of failure,
Speaker 2: you know, a failure over relationship. What am I doing
Speaker 2: now that I'm thirty something and single? And I just
Speaker 2: I love there's a scene where she says, I'm nearly
Speaker 2: forty and she's character's characters like you're thirty two. She goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's really tawny, and you know, I'm thirty nine years
Speaker 2: old and I'm currently single, and it's like, I just
Speaker 2: it's it's just hilarious because there are so many there
Speaker 2: are so many things about you know, in my human
Speaker 2: experience being a woman, that the expectations of society are
Speaker 2: placed upon you to sort of have ticked off certain
Speaker 2: things at certain ages, and when you don't meet them,
Speaker 2: and so many people don't meet them, you know, how
Speaker 2: do you respond to that? And these days it's so
Speaker 2: much easier to just be like, fuck it, I'm living
Speaker 2: my life. I'm happy, that's the main thing. Whereas you know,
Speaker 2: in that sort of eighties nineties construct of you know,
Speaker 2: I've got to be married by this age and having
Speaker 2: kids by this age and buying the brownstone in New
Speaker 2: York at this age or whatever it is they've set
Speaker 2: up for themselves. You know, the humor and the fear
Speaker 2: of not meeting those those milestones. That's part of the
Speaker 2: obstacles that they're sort of trying to overcome because really
Speaker 2: they just want to be happy and they want to
Speaker 2: find their person. But yeah, the obstacles societal and more
Speaker 2: mental than they are sort of something happening in the movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they did it. They're evolving on their
Speaker 1: own terms. I feel like they're not. You know, Jack
Speaker 1: Nicholson in as good as It gets when he says
Speaker 1: the hell on Hunt, you know, you make me want
Speaker 1: to be a better person. And in Pretty Woman, Richard
Speaker 1: Gear becomes a more well rounded person because he's met
Speaker 1: sex worker Julia Robertson and and this just doesn't feel
Speaker 1: like that. It feels like they are evolving in their
Speaker 1: own time. They meet at a time. I think that
Speaker 1: the film is better and I find the whole thing entertaining.
Speaker 1: But I think it gets more interesting and more enjoyable
Speaker 1: in the when they meet at the bookshop and they've
Speaker 1: both gone through their their relationships, you know, and they
Speaker 1: come out and they kind of it's two friends who
Speaker 1: don't know initially that they're becoming friends, but it's it's
Speaker 1: they're helping each other. They're trying to lift each other up.
Speaker 1: I think what they're doing, which I think is really
Speaker 1: love it.
Speaker 2: What's quote? I love it? And you know, he's staring
Speaker 2: at her in the you know from the self help
Speaker 2: section personal Personal Person, there's a man in personal growth.
Speaker 2: And it's just those those little genius moments where you're
Speaker 2: just like just what just it's.
Speaker 1: Just perfect and it seems like nothing but bet your
Speaker 1: bottom dollar Nora Evyron would have considered what section is
Speaker 1: standing in. She would have gone to the door and
Speaker 1: looked at every kind of okay person it is. How
Speaker 1: perfect is that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, it's just it's it's those tiny details I
Speaker 2: think that make this movie so you know, so sort
Speaker 2: of famous and loved in that way. Is is. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a sum of all of those little, tiny, tiny
Speaker 2: parts that make it beautiful.
Speaker 1: And then and the relationship is so streamlined, like the
Speaker 1: as far as the time shifts and all that. But
Speaker 1: we get told what their jobs are, you know, I
Speaker 1: think the second when they meet up or they where
Speaker 1: they want.
Speaker 2: To be, and then they end up becoming you know,
Speaker 2: more or less you know, within those those genres of
Speaker 2: what they what they thought they'd be.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and we never hear about it again, we
Speaker 1: don't hear about how easy. There's a version of this
Speaker 1: movie where they do get kept apart because Billy has
Speaker 1: to go on a road during an election campaign Harry,
Speaker 1: or that Sally has to go cover a big story,
Speaker 1: or they try to tie that into maybe they end
Speaker 1: up in Washington together. I love that they ignored all
Speaker 1: of that. I love that there's no talk about parents, siblings,
Speaker 1: this is and it doesn't feel weird at all, like
Speaker 1: we're not thinking that these Harry and Sally don't have
Speaker 1: full lives at any point in the movie.
Speaker 2: It's just just still get down to the interpersonal relationship
Speaker 2: between the two of them. But I will say, you know,
Speaker 2: in terms of like dating and all of the things
Speaker 2: that you encounter when you're dating and meeting people, is
Speaker 2: this movie works on the assumption that these two people,
Speaker 2: while neurotic, are more or less pretty balanced nor more
Speaker 2: people when Harry met Sally doesn't work if one of
Speaker 2: them is a narcissist or the other person is. You know,
Speaker 2: it has a lot of emotional baggage that they haven't
Speaker 2: dealt with. Like they're more or less healthy humans going
Speaker 2: through life. And yes, they're going through the trials and
Speaker 2: tribulations of being single or not finding their one, but
Speaker 2: they're more or less fine. But I think that in
Speaker 2: itself that is also sort of fine, because you know,
Speaker 2: there are so many, so many distractions in life. When
Speaker 2: you meet so many people of different characters throughout life,
Speaker 2: sometimes it's nice to imagine that life is a little
Speaker 2: more normal. But I mean, yeah, you know, it would
Speaker 2: be really nice to just assume the next person that
Speaker 2: I end up dating is fine.
Speaker 1: You never know, you never you never know, And yeah,
Speaker 1: the sequel to this could be very interesting. Who knows
Speaker 1: what they found out down.
Speaker 2: The track exactly what introduced the therapist?
Speaker 1: What did you make of the chemistry between Billie Crystial
Speaker 1: and Meg Ryan.
Speaker 2: Well, that's just what makes everything work exactly, like from
Speaker 2: the get go when she pulls up in the car
Speaker 2: and she's looking at Harry kissing the college girlfriend, and
Speaker 2: it's already there. It's like they're already in a relationship,
Speaker 2: like in terms of just the energy exchange between like
Speaker 2: towards them and then with each other when they're in
Speaker 2: the car together, and every scene, you know, it's just
Speaker 2: there is just something natural that works there and it's
Speaker 2: really really lovely to watch. And you know, I've you know,
Speaker 2: you read so many different stories about leading couples in films,
Speaker 2: and it works if they hated each other in real
Speaker 2: life or they really like each other in real life,
Speaker 2: because the tension is captured in a very similar way
Speaker 2: where there is something of an exchange between them. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I loved watching that and there's just there's not one
Speaker 2: moment in that movie that you don't believe that that
Speaker 2: connection is real, which is testament to the performance.
Speaker 1: I want to play a scene which is the question
Speaker 1: that frames the movie, which is there we can't be
Speaker 1: friends basically, but before I do, they had met before
Speaker 1: Meg ran. We should point out this is her debut
Speaker 1: lead role, which.
Speaker 2: This is the movie that started everything first, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's like when you watch Top Gun and
Speaker 1: you see basically the creation of Tom Cruise. This feels
Speaker 1: like watching the creation of Meg Ryan. And fundly though
Speaker 1: she was in Top Guns she played Goose's Anthony Edwards's
Speaker 1: wife is a small robb Wish is great in that
Speaker 1: she had made a a couple of films Armed and
Speaker 1: Dangers with John Candy in a space of Dennis Quaid,
Speaker 1: who went on to become her real husband, and then
Speaker 1: in eighty nine she makes this film. But she's she
Speaker 1: auditioned for Throwing Mama Off the Train, which Billy Crystal
Speaker 1: had just made before. When Harry met Sally. She didn't
Speaker 1: get the role, but Billy Crystal tested with her and
Speaker 1: thought they had the great chemistry, so when her name
Speaker 1: came up, he was supportive. Yeah of this, So let's
Speaker 1: let's play and listen to some of the chemistry between
Speaker 1: Billy Crystal and Meg Ryan. In this pivotal scene.
Speaker 5: You realize, of course that we can never be friends.
Speaker 2: Why not?
Speaker 5: What I'm saying is and this is not a come
Speaker 5: on in any way, shape or form. Is that men
Speaker 5: and women can't be friends because the sex part always
Speaker 5: gets in the way.
Speaker 2: That's not true. I have a number of men friends
Speaker 2: and there is no sex involved. Yes, I do, Yes,
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 6: Well, I think you though, you're saying.
Speaker 2: I'm having sex with these men without my knowledge.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying is they want to have
Speaker 5: sex with you.
Speaker 2: They do not do too.
Speaker 5: They do not do too.
Speaker 2: How do you know?
Speaker 5: Because no man can be friends with a woman that
Speaker 5: he finds attractive. He always wants to have sex with him.
Speaker 2: So you're saying that a man can be friends with
Speaker 2: a woman he finds unattractive.
Speaker 5: No, you pretty much want to nail them too.
Speaker 2: What if they don't want to have sex with you doesn't.
Speaker 5: Matter because the sex thing is already out there. So
Speaker 5: the frendship us ultimately doomed and that is the end
Speaker 5: of the story. Well, I guess we're not going to
Speaker 5: be friends, then I guess not.
Speaker 2: It's too bad. You were the only person that I
Speaker 2: knew in New York.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's I mean the question aside. The
Speaker 1: chemistry is undeniable. It's great Billy Crystal, he is older.
Speaker 1: It's forty one, the thirty nine. I think when they
Speaker 1: make this film and make Ryan he's forty one. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: make Ryan's twenty eight. So it's a bit of a night.
Speaker 2: He loves it at the beginning with the week and
Speaker 2: to make him kids just come out of college and
Speaker 2: it's like and then you see the hairline receiving and
Speaker 2: the grays for truding, and it's just I mean, you
Speaker 2: know that it's all been made within a few months.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he's convinced. I think there's something about Billy
Speaker 2: Crystal's character though, that you you, there's something very useful
Speaker 2: and cheeky about it that makes him a believable college graduate. Yeah,
Speaker 2: as well as an adult. You know. I think he's
Speaker 2: just a brilliant a brilliant actor.
Speaker 1: But because when I saw this, I was fourteen when
Speaker 1: it came out, so I it didn't those things didn't
Speaker 1: I didn't register as much as far as like, hang on,
Speaker 1: he looks too old to be in college because yeah, so.
Speaker 2: Watching it, watching make face value.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah. And I always wondered why I always
Speaker 1: thought American kids always looked older than Australian kids because
Speaker 1: you see him in movies, not knowing that Phonsie was
Speaker 1: probably thirty five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. You take for a girl. It's like in
Speaker 2: Mean Girls, It's like all those girls are like in
Speaker 2: the mid twenties playing sixteen or seventeen year old kids,
Speaker 2: and you're just like, yeah, that's that's just the way
Speaker 2: it is a popular culture. But yeah, anyway, so back
Speaker 2: to the chemistry thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like the Billy Crystal. I think it's Billy
Speaker 1: Crystal's best performance. And he'll go through some of his films.
Speaker 1: So he had done spinal Tat with Rob Reiner in
Speaker 1: nine and eighty four, very small role he played. Let's
Speaker 1: we played a mime. Yeah, Princess Bride in eighty seven,
Speaker 1: which comes up so many times on this podcast.
Speaker 2: That would also Yeah, I was very tempted to put
Speaker 2: that into my favorites as well, because it is just
Speaker 2: all time I mean anyway, Robin Wright, Penn brilliant, it's
Speaker 2: all brilliant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, throw Mom from the train in eighty seven, and
Speaker 1: he makes this in eighty nine, So this was also
Speaker 1: like a very big role for him. He He's done
Speaker 1: a lot of tv SNL, a show called Soap, which
Speaker 1: is huge Stag's bigger over there than he has been here.
Speaker 1: And then he kind of made Sidney Slickers in ninety one,
Speaker 1: and he makes me a Saturday Night ninety two, and
Speaker 1: then he kind of doesn't make a lot of great
Speaker 1: films after that. Analyzed this was probably the next big
Speaker 1: film he has with the Hero in ninety nine, and
Speaker 1: there's a few sequels here and there. He does the
Speaker 1: Monsters University or monster Zinc voice, but moreso becomes like
Speaker 1: a Broadway guy or like a host of the Oscars.
Speaker 1: He obviously became more famous for his hosting the Oscars
Speaker 1: any of his movies. But he's really he's really great
Speaker 1: in this. He's really he's really believable. Even though I'll
Speaker 1: watch it now and I kind of go, I wonder,
Speaker 1: you know, and I don't think this is a good thing,
Speaker 1: but I wonder if this movie gets made, you know,
Speaker 1: like with do they find a hotter guy, you know,
Speaker 1: to be the part. I don't know, maybe maybe, maybe not,
Speaker 1: Maybe we have come.
Speaker 2: I I hope not, because he's just perfect for that
Speaker 2: role and I couldn't imagine anyone else in it. But
Speaker 2: I hope not. I mean, I hope that even though
Speaker 2: we're in a very esthetically uniform place in the world
Speaker 2: right now, especially with things like Instagram that you could have,
Speaker 2: you know, you need that there's really something to be
Speaker 2: said in life and in film for character and for individualism.
Speaker 2: And I think that that's something that yeah, that he
Speaker 2: brings is like could someone else have played it, yes, sure,
Speaker 2: but would they have played it as well as he did?
Speaker 2: I don't want to imagine what that would have been like,
Speaker 2: because it was perfect the way that it is.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I think there's something to be said for
Speaker 1: these These are two new faces on the scene really
Speaker 1: when this is made relatively and I think, yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: we are seeing a lot more of this on maybe
Speaker 1: through Netflix and the streaming services. Eli Wong you know,
Speaker 1: has had I think a show you know, and it's
Speaker 1: like and it's just yeah, I mean that's exploded and
Speaker 1: it is great seeing new faces. I think we should
Speaker 1: always keep that in mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, Look, the discussion about diversity is
Speaker 2: something that I've been very much drawn into this with
Speaker 2: this Master Chef job and all the rest of it.
Speaker 2: I don't, you know, like, I don't know that I
Speaker 2: thought about it that much going into the job, because
Speaker 2: I've been freelanced for so long. It's like someone's offering
Speaker 2: you an amazing opportunity to do what you do in
Speaker 2: whatever format. I'm going to say yes to that. But
Speaker 2: you know, having that discussion about representation and about diversity
Speaker 2: on all levels, whether or not that's in film, or
Speaker 2: whether or not that's in here or television and entertainment,
Speaker 2: it's important to be able to see, you know, to
Speaker 2: see people, to see not just the same faces, but
Speaker 2: lots of different bases and so it is. You know,
Speaker 2: it's definitely something that I've become more aware and passionate about,
Speaker 2: is vacating to be able to see that, you know,
Speaker 2: for people of not just different cultures, but also you know,
Speaker 2: abilities and perspectives and the way that they know, the
Speaker 2: way that people want to represent themselves and see themselves.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, it's come up a few times on
Speaker 1: this podcast, you know, diversity representation and how important of
Speaker 1: these wili talking about the Muslim representation. It's not great
Speaker 1: at the moment, you know, and you know, and you
Speaker 1: said then you maybe hadn't thought about a whole bunch
Speaker 1: until you became one of the you know, a stunning
Speaker 1: part of one of the biggest shows in the world,
Speaker 1: and then you had to, I guess, think about it.
Speaker 1: But how do you balance that weight of kind of going.
Speaker 1: I feel like I need to, you know, talk about
Speaker 1: it like your community maybe wants you to talk about it,
Speaker 1: like keeping your own heads straight.
Speaker 2: Well, I think, first and foremost, it's all about doing
Speaker 2: the best possible job that I can do, because if
Speaker 2: I don't do that, then I'm not representing myself. Well,
Speaker 2: I'm not representing other people well as well. And then
Speaker 2: I guess the other part of it is just the
Speaker 2: way that I carry myself, both inside the Master hif
Speaker 2: kitchen and outside of it as well, and the conversations
Speaker 2: that I partake in, and then I bring to the
Speaker 2: four wherever I can is to consider how that might
Speaker 2: be representing someone other than myself. And that's a weird
Speaker 2: thing because I've been alone roof and for a really
Speaker 2: long time in my career and I've only ever had
Speaker 2: to be responsible for myself and just think about the
Speaker 2: way that I speak and the way that I represent
Speaker 2: affects other people is a reasonably new concept to me.
Speaker 2: But I think it's something that no matter what you
Speaker 2: do in your life, we should all be considering a
Speaker 2: little bit more as well, because you don't know who's
Speaker 2: seeing you and who sees something of themselves in you.
Speaker 2: So I think it's always good to be mindful, to
Speaker 2: do the best job that you can, to be a
Speaker 2: good human because that matters to people that you don't
Speaker 2: even know.
Speaker 1: And I mentioned this in the intro, but I think
Speaker 1: it's it's good to say in front of you that,
Speaker 1: like when those who you know might be listening overseas
Speaker 1: who may not watch Muster of Australia. You may watch
Speaker 1: Machief in your region mas Bangladesh or wherever you are
Speaker 1: listening from. But the you know you guys took over
Speaker 1: from three much loved, you know, hugely successful judges and
Speaker 1: it was like all eyes you know on the project.
Speaker 1: I was often like talking about who's it going to be,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, and I assumed it was going
Speaker 1: to be someone like a Curtis Stone, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: like you know, a big name in the industry. So
Speaker 1: when Channel ten and the producers of Marster Chef announced three,
Speaker 1: you know, three new judges who weren't household names. In fact,
Speaker 1: if you weren't paying attention you know to that that
Speaker 1: industry and that you know, they were new names and
Speaker 1: for you guys to pull off was one of the
Speaker 1: most stunning seasons, you know, last year. Back to that
Speaker 1: with another stunning season, I mean is extraordinary and and
Speaker 1: pats on the back to do you who I think
Speaker 1: and no offense to Jock and Andy have has been
Speaker 1: the absolute breakout start and Andy, we love you. But
Speaker 1: in the same way I think boys in the same
Speaker 1: way Matt I think was you know the breakout.
Speaker 2: It's a dynamic, right, It's a group dynamic. I think
Speaker 2: with with those things, yes, some I think I think
Speaker 2: we all take terms at you know, rotating in that
Speaker 2: in that sort of lead position. You know. We we
Speaker 2: love to sort of make a joke about like a
Speaker 2: flying chefron sort of thing, like it's just different stages.
Speaker 2: Whatever we know and whatever we comes to the fore
Speaker 2: and that person sort of becomes the focus. And I
Speaker 2: think it's been beautiful this season seeing Jock really be
Speaker 2: there in terms of the conversation around mental health and
Speaker 2: men's mental health, especially, you know, talking about his worry
Speaker 2: beads and talking you know, when Brent left the show,
Speaker 2: just sort of why being able to put your hand
Speaker 2: up and say you're not okay is the right thing
Speaker 2: to do and is absolutely okay. You know, moments like
Speaker 2: that are really special. And you know, and the same
Speaker 2: thing with Andy as well, Like there are moments where
Speaker 2: we each step up and we all need to be
Speaker 2: able to do that, and I think that's what makes
Speaker 2: it really special, is is seeing that person really rise
Speaker 2: and to be there to support that person doing it.
Speaker 2: It's beautiful to be in both sort of both dynamics
Speaker 2: and that in that So I feel very lucky to
Speaker 2: be with those those guys because they are such sensitive,
Speaker 2: aware human beings and we couldn't do what any of
Speaker 2: us do without each other.
Speaker 1: So it's a really it's a really good point because
Speaker 1: I mean, I work in a team, you know, on
Speaker 1: the project, and I know that exactly that and it's
Speaker 1: a completely different show, you know as a live news
Speaker 1: show with a little bit of comedy in there, you know,
Speaker 1: yours a cooking show. But you know the amount of
Speaker 1: times I just know that Walid and carry you need
Speaker 1: to have each other's back, you know, and the times
Speaker 1: when one of these is a bit off one night
Speaker 1: there's for whatever reason, the words aren't coming out, their
Speaker 1: mind's not working as clearly as it did the night before,
Speaker 1: and you know, and and the ability to those guys
Speaker 1: to recognize that in me or for me to recognize
Speaker 1: that in them is is really important.
Speaker 2: I think what I've learned about the group dynamic is
Speaker 2: and I'm sure it translates back into sort of what
Speaker 2: we're talking about in movies and forms, as well as
Speaker 2: the word generosity. You value so deeply being in an
Speaker 2: ensemble with generous people because they have you when you
Speaker 2: are having an off day, they celebrate you when you're
Speaker 2: on fire. You do the same for them. And that's
Speaker 2: what makes a successful group dynamic, you know, That's what
Speaker 2: really makes it seeing and makes it last hopefully is generosity.
Speaker 1: So yeah, well, just waiting to your two co host
Speaker 1: wing gold logis that's when it gets really tough and
Speaker 1: it's really challenging. Melissa, got it. Let's go. I've got
Speaker 1: a feeling you might be the one who is the god. Anyway,
Speaker 1: let's go back to the film we're talking about. Okay,
Speaker 1: there is a scene we obviously need to talk about
Speaker 1: in the room. I don't want to make this any
Speaker 1: more awkward than it needs to, but with that said,
Speaker 1: we do need to play it. This is one of
Speaker 1: the most famous scenes in the history of movie. And
Speaker 1: there's a lot to talk about how this scene came about.
Speaker 1: Let's let's have listened to the famous uh Meg Ryan
Speaker 1: in the New York Deli having a fankal gasm. That's
Speaker 1: a question.
Speaker 7: Nothing, It's just that all men are shirt never happened
Speaker 7: to them, and most women, at one time or another
Speaker 7: have done it.
Speaker 2: So you do the math.
Speaker 1: You don't think that I can tell a difference. No,
Speaker 1: get at him.
Speaker 3: Oh oh oh yeah, okay, oh oh god, oh oh god.
Speaker 6: Oh oh oh oh god, you're right there. Oh oh
Speaker 6: oh oh oh god.
Speaker 8: Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, oh oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 8: yes yes yes, oh oh oh go ahead.
Speaker 7: Oh I'll have what she's having.
Speaker 1: That when I'm longer than I remember razing. Listening to
Speaker 1: it is even more awkward than watching it. I maybe
Speaker 1: maybe dragged in the channel ten hr. We're making you
Speaker 1: listen to that scene. With my apologies, but it is
Speaker 1: such what I say, psychonic. Yeah, did you You must
Speaker 1: have known about this scene going and this is one
Speaker 1: of the things you knew about this movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, I mean that sounds that little sound clip
Speaker 2: or snippets of that. That sound clip have been used
Speaker 2: in every film reference or you know, you know movie,
Speaker 2: movie shows or whatever. It's always brought up, and you
Speaker 2: know it's it's iconic, right, It's it's just something that
Speaker 2: you know, you had, you had to talk, we have
Speaker 2: to talk about it. It's like it's like one of
Speaker 2: the most enduring scenes in modern cinema, I think, in
Speaker 2: many many ways. And I think she does a very
Speaker 2: good show.
Speaker 1: Great job she she it was her idea. It was
Speaker 1: Meg Ryan's idea, which I love. I love that And
Speaker 1: this is the power of of empowering your the people
Speaker 1: around you to you know, consult and collaborate. And yeah,
Speaker 1: Meg Ryan said, how about I do this? And Billy
Speaker 1: Crystal adds the line that ends up going to Rob
Speaker 1: Ryaner's mum, yes, which is incredible.
Speaker 2: How is it that, yeah, the director's mom ends up
Speaker 2: being one, I'll have what she's having. And it's so
Speaker 2: you know, when you watch Billy Crystal and you see
Speaker 2: his sense of humor, of course it came. Yes, it
Speaker 2: had to be that that snappy one liner that brings
Speaker 2: this kind of awkward you know, you sort of seeing
Speaker 2: back down to earth and in such a snappy smart, funny,
Speaker 2: lighthearted way it was. It's beautiful, it's it would have
Speaker 2: been funny to have it in there as a scene
Speaker 2: without it, but it's perfect with it.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, And apparently on the Meg, Ryan you know,
Speaker 1: started to do that scene and the first couple of
Speaker 1: takes were a bit timid, you know, she was. And
Speaker 1: I think I've spoken about this before. I think people
Speaker 1: when we watch movies and we shouldn't be thinking about
Speaker 1: this stuff. But you know, when an actor is on set,
Speaker 1: and it's one thing to be on set and doing
Speaker 1: a you know, a one hander with an actor or
Speaker 1: you know, with the cast that you're comfortable with, but
Speaker 1: when you are put in the situation where there are
Speaker 1: extras who you don't know, who are real people who
Speaker 1: were all know that you know, you're the star of
Speaker 1: the movie and this is a you know, this is
Speaker 1: a scene and to do that, to be that vulnerable
Speaker 1: is takes a lot of bravery, you know, it takes courage.
Speaker 1: So she was a bit timid, and then Rob Ryaner
Speaker 1: said okay, and I love that Rob Ryaner did this.
Speaker 1: He goes, okay, I will this is how I think
Speaker 1: is how far I think you should go. And he
Speaker 1: sat there in her seat and like, did a fool.
Speaker 1: This is Rob Ryaner, he's a big guy. Bid did
Speaker 1: a full like orgasm. And that's how you do it's.
Speaker 2: Self vulnerable to allow her to feel comfortable enough to
Speaker 2: be just as vulnerable. And I think that's really testament
Speaker 2: to a good directorship, is leading from leading from the
Speaker 2: top and sort of saying, hey, I'm creating a space
Speaker 2: for you to be the best that you can possibly be,
Speaker 2: and that's what makes a successful you know, a success
Speaker 2: in the end.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and I love that. It's mate, Ryan, It's
Speaker 1: you could see this as just oh, it's a set
Speaker 1: play in a romantic comedy, but she is defending. It's
Speaker 1: like a defense of for women, for all women. You
Speaker 1: you like, you think you're getting away with this, but
Speaker 1: fuck you you're not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, it's it's it's possibly the best sort of
Speaker 2: illustration of proving your however, but yeah, it's I love
Speaker 2: how and I think again speaking of generosity of of
Speaker 2: people that are in the scene, like the billy Crystal's
Speaker 2: character to sort of be as cocky, to fire her
Speaker 2: up to sort of to actually prove it, you know, oh, well,
Speaker 2: it's never happened to me, you know, like I would know.
Speaker 2: It's like I would know. It's like, do you though really?
Speaker 2: And you know, women forever more will watch that scene
Speaker 2: and just be like, it's it's it's really giving every
Speaker 2: every man who thinks that they are the ship the
Speaker 2: bird really because you know women it's again, it's it
Speaker 2: comes back down to that interpersonal relationship between between people,
Speaker 2: and I guess sort of that whole How much do
Speaker 2: we know about the in this in this particular case,
Speaker 2: how much do we know about the opposite sex?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to a shout out to Carrie Fisher,
Speaker 1: who have mentioned before a place Kirby who plays Jess One.
Speaker 1: Obviously I'm a massive Star Wars fan, so I bow
Speaker 1: at the altar and we all miss carry Fish and Deally, Yes,
Speaker 1: she's so great in this. And Bruno Kirby, I'm a
Speaker 1: massive who also is in my fat film of all time,
Speaker 1: which is A god Father Part two. Yeah, and is
Speaker 1: also there's such an I'm not sure if he's underrated.
Speaker 1: I don't know. He's said he's not with us anymore.
Speaker 1: But he was also worked with Billy Crystal in City Slickers.
Speaker 1: He was great, but he's one of the funniest performances
Speaker 1: I think I've ever seen is his performance in Good
Speaker 1: Morning Vietnam, who Rob Williams. He's so good in that,
Speaker 1: and he's so good he's like effortlessly funny in this.
Speaker 1: But I love that these characters are in there because
Speaker 1: not only does it give Harry and Sally a sounding
Speaker 1: board too, you know, but that date they go on
Speaker 1: so great, It's so great for our whole budget. Did
Speaker 1: you love the date?
Speaker 2: Absolutely brilliant, just the you know, because anybody, like when
Speaker 2: you sit around the table, whether or not that's four
Speaker 2: people or six people, there's inevitably the breakaway conversations that happen.
Speaker 2: But they're so clearly, you know, at the beginning, two
Speaker 2: very awkward things, two very awkward dates happening, and then
Speaker 2: when the configuration turns and you see the real date happen,
Speaker 2: and then you know, Harry and Sally just kind of
Speaker 2: have to step back and realize what's going on there.
Speaker 2: It's just it's so beautifully done. And I think that
Speaker 2: there's everybody can relate to sort of being and being
Speaker 2: in a position like that where you can see, you know,
Speaker 2: undeniable chemistry happening in front of you and you just
Speaker 2: kind of have to step back and let it happen.
Speaker 2: But just the whole oh you know, it's the stopping
Speaker 2: the two girls walking and stopping, Oh, I've wanted to
Speaker 2: buy a pair of shoes like that, do you think
Speaker 2: do you think that? Do you like him? Because if
Speaker 2: you don't like him, like would I be able to?
Speaker 2: And then that also happening with the men as well,
Speaker 2: like that just you know, that just happens. It happens
Speaker 2: in life with friends when you sort of go on
Speaker 2: those those weird sort of you know, dates or whatever.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was it was really really beautifully done,
Speaker 2: and just the whole I guess we don't hear much about,
Speaker 2: you know, all of the all of the backstory sort
Speaker 2: of stuff with the with the supporting couple, but apart
Speaker 2: from sort of ther her ponch on for being with
Speaker 2: a married man and not being and wondering why it's
Speaker 2: not working but how how is that? You know she's
Speaker 2: never going to leave him and so he's never going
Speaker 2: to leave her, and that whole sort of thing. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's really beautifully done and sort of it's very
Speaker 2: illustrative of good supporting, great supporting roles, I.
Speaker 1: Think absolutely, and and it shows Harry and Sally what
Speaker 1: chemistry looks like. It shows the audience what chemistry looks like.
Speaker 1: When I mean, they're trying their best, they're you know,
Speaker 1: Sally saying, you know, Harry, Marie is also from Brooklyn
Speaker 1: maybe I think it was, and they just say where
Speaker 1: they're from and then yes, there's no there's no continuation
Speaker 1: to that conversation.
Speaker 2: But also bringing up his writing, Yes, I've never said,
Speaker 2: I've never i've never quoted, I've never quoted a line
Speaker 2: from a magazine before. And he's like, I've I've got
Speaker 2: to say, I really like hearing my lines being read
Speaker 2: back to me. Yeah, yeah, beautiful.
Speaker 1: It's so good. And so it also shows once you're
Speaker 1: out of the street that these are two best friends,
Speaker 1: how they react when they find the person who they
Speaker 1: want to be with, which foreshadows the line at the
Speaker 1: end of the movie, which is when you when you
Speaker 1: find somebody you want to spend the rest of your
Speaker 1: life with, you wanted to begin straight away. And Marie
Speaker 1: and Jess aren't waiting. They are, Yeah, they despite what
Speaker 1: they've just said, They're.
Speaker 2: In the cab and they're they're going home. With each
Speaker 2: other straight away, and they absolutely know Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 2: it's beautifully done.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, So we get towards the end of the one
Speaker 1: bit I want to ask you about was, which I
Speaker 1: think is a beautifully constructed scene, is the museum scene
Speaker 1: when Harry or Sally to go to the movies. You know,
Speaker 1: they're doing the voices, yeah, and Sally has to tell
Speaker 1: him I can't, I'm going on a date. It's such
Speaker 1: a beautifully observed kind of kind of a bit of
Speaker 1: a heartaching kind of scene in the way because because
Speaker 1: you know, she's she didn't want to tell him. It's
Speaker 1: a very real scene. She didn't want to tell him,
Speaker 1: and then when he's okay with it, she's also upset
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, well, I guess it's sort of it brings
Speaker 2: it back down to the whole crux of the movie,
Speaker 2: which is, you know, if you're attracted to someone, can
Speaker 2: you actually just be friends? And I think they could
Speaker 2: just be friends when neither of them are seeing anyone
Speaker 2: else because the focus is on each other, and then
Speaker 2: you know, her not wanting to say that she had
Speaker 2: a date, and her not feeling comfortable with his being
Speaker 2: okay with it, are you know, really sort of testament
Speaker 2: to the fact that, like that's the pantomime part in
Speaker 2: the movie where you just kind of like you can't
Speaker 2: you see that you are you know, you are meant
Speaker 2: to be together, and that's why this feels that, this
Speaker 2: feels funny. But I think there have definitely been, you know,
Speaker 2: moments in many people's lives where you kind of, you know,
Speaker 2: you're not aware of the fact that the person in
Speaker 2: front of you is the person you want to actually
Speaker 2: be with, and that's why there's tension there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I love I love it that you alluded
Speaker 1: to them earlier when they're on the phones almost a
Speaker 1: pillow talk and they're talking about Casablanca. Yeah, it's overlaid
Speaker 1: with these shots of them just hanging out, both being
Speaker 1: alone but also hanging out and becoming friends. She's putting
Speaker 1: the mail in really slowly, she's going through each letter
Speaker 1: and he eventually just takes all the letters and which
Speaker 1: is It's so great and it's so beautifully done. And
Speaker 1: then there's the scene, of course with you a little
Speaker 1: too earlier, the four way phone call scene, which I
Speaker 1: think is extraordinary and I think it's so beautifully executed.
Speaker 1: So the way they did that was they actually they
Speaker 1: all did them. They were on separate the same studio,
Speaker 1: but on separate kind of sets, if you like. So
Speaker 1: it was all done at the same time. It wasn't.
Speaker 1: It was all shot at the same time, so the
Speaker 1: timing had to be absolutely. They did sixty three takes,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And it's like it's like if you
Speaker 1: listen to it, it's it's like a dancing fact. Let's
Speaker 1: have a listen to it right now.
Speaker 3: Okay, yours Hello, I'm sorry to castle early. Are you
Speaker 3: all right?
Speaker 2: I know would call it the I did something terrible
Speaker 2: I wanted to do.
Speaker 9: I know would call it so awful.
Speaker 5: I need to talk what happened over the last night night.
Speaker 3: Because I was upset that Joe was getting there and
Speaker 3: before I knew it, we were kissing.
Speaker 1: Make a long story.
Speaker 2: Should we did it?
Speaker 3: They did it. That's great, Sally.
Speaker 6: We've been praying for it.
Speaker 2: I should have done it in the first place.
Speaker 1: For months.
Speaker 2: We've been saying you should do it.
Speaker 3: You guys belong together.
Speaker 2: It's like killing two birds with one stone. It's like
Speaker 2: two wrongs make a right.
Speaker 1: How the during park was good.
Speaker 7: I thought it was good, but.
Speaker 3: Then I felt suffocate.
Speaker 2: Then I guess it wasn't Jesus.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: How to get out of it? He just disappeared.
Speaker 1: I feel so bad.
Speaker 2: I'm so embarrassed.
Speaker 9: I don't blame it.
Speaker 2: That's hard. I think I'm coming down with I think
Speaker 2: I'm catching a cold.
Speaker 7: Look.
Speaker 2: Look, it would have been great if it worked out,
Speaker 2: but it didn't. I should never go to bed with anyone.
Speaker 7: And you found out your last boyfriend is getting married?
Speaker 5: Who is that talking?
Speaker 3: Who is that just on the phone?
Speaker 2: Fun of it's Brian Compbell. You want to come over
Speaker 2: for breakfast?
Speaker 1: Up to it? No?
Speaker 2: I feel too awful good.
Speaker 7: I mean, it's so early, but call me later if
Speaker 7: you want, I'll call you later.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, bye bye.
Speaker 3: Bye bye.
Speaker 1: It's so good. You can say, how when you listen
Speaker 1: to it, knowing that they're all doing at the same time,
Speaker 1: it almost has to be done like that, Yeah, to
Speaker 1: get that that rhythm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's like verbal choreography. Yeah, you know, it's
Speaker 2: really interesting. Actually, just listening to it instead of just
Speaker 2: instead of watching it, it takes everything else away and it
Speaker 2: makes that just made me much more appreciative of that
Speaker 2: scene because it is just so you couldn't slide a
Speaker 2: piece of paper in between, you know, each of the
Speaker 2: parts that just all just sort of work so seamlessly together.
Speaker 2: So yeah, sixty three takes My god, I you imagine
Speaker 2: doing that sixty three times?
Speaker 1: At least they were lining in bed. Yeah, at least,
Speaker 1: I think. So let's let's get to the end of
Speaker 1: the film and we might play the clip where they
Speaker 1: finally I mean, did you before we get to it,
Speaker 1: did you? I assume you did? You want them to
Speaker 1: get together? You were you.
Speaker 2: Look, there's a very there's a small part of me
Speaker 2: that was didn't want them to get together, because that's
Speaker 2: so predict That's what the that's what sort of the
Speaker 2: foregone conclusion is. But I suppose if you think about
Speaker 2: it as being this is one of the original rom coms,
Speaker 2: it had to happen, you know, now, films that have
Speaker 2: been made that sort of take these cues, it's better
Speaker 2: when they don't end up together because then there's a
Speaker 2: sense of longing or whatever. But this was the one
Speaker 2: that set the bar, so it had to be that
Speaker 2: way that they ended up together. But I love how
Speaker 2: resistant she was to it, right to the very last
Speaker 2: you know, she was just sort of like doing this
Speaker 2: because there's no one else and all of the rest
Speaker 2: of it. And then he wins her over and so
Speaker 2: there is this, Yeah, there's a very small amount in
Speaker 2: need it. It's like, I wonder what would happen if she,
Speaker 2: you know, didn't didn't sort of lent and allow this
Speaker 2: thing to happen. But she, you know, it's a choice
Speaker 2: for the both of them. And so I think in
Speaker 2: the same way that they've always been defiantly themselves the
Speaker 2: entirely they in their own way and choosing to be together,
Speaker 2: which is kind of great.
Speaker 1: And Rob ryaner by the way, he originally they weren't
Speaker 1: gonna they're going to have that ending where they didn't
Speaker 1: get together. He was a bit divorced at that time
Speaker 1: from Penny Marshall, and he was, you know, a bit like,
Speaker 1: I'm never going to meet anyone again anyone. How does
Speaker 1: anyone meet anyone? And so he was going to have
Speaker 1: him not get together, and then he finally enough met
Speaker 1: somebody during the making of this film who he's now
Speaker 1: went on the marriage and they are still married. Yeah,
Speaker 1: three kids, and so he's life perspective changeing of course,
Speaker 1: so they have to get together. So and I think
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, like this, this is the movie. It's like,
Speaker 1: this is obviously there are romantic comedies as you know,
Speaker 1: Roman Holiday if you go back, you know, for the
Speaker 1: you know, for the story, but this was you know,
Speaker 1: the re emergence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it's the modern romantic comedy format. It's very Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was. It was the Obviously there have been romance films,
Speaker 2: you know, since the beginning of film, but in terms
Speaker 2: of this sort of this format that we used to
Speaker 2: that we may never have seen when Hae Met Salah
Speaker 2: or You've Got Mail or any of those, but they're
Speaker 2: accused from this genre, the echo forward you know, through
Speaker 2: every you know, through every rom com we've ever seen.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, it kind of had to kind of
Speaker 2: had to go that way. But isn't it interesting about
Speaker 2: life perspective about oh no, they shouldn't get together, and
Speaker 2: then when you feel a love and you're like, of
Speaker 2: course it's a real together and it's just how that influences.
Speaker 1: Work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very interesting.
Speaker 1: I think it's fascinating. And I think when you're writing
Speaker 1: something like this, everyone kind of likes the idea of
Speaker 1: giving the ending that is not necessarily.
Speaker 2: The predictable one or the perfect ending.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But it's it's really hard to really commit to that,
Speaker 1: you know, because the execution needs to be more spot
Speaker 1: on than when you are giving the crowd pleasing ending.
Speaker 2: Yeahs to be a very clever, justifiable reason as to
Speaker 2: why yeah, And I guess in a way, you know,
Speaker 2: sometimes it's okay to have the happy ending. Yes, Sometimes
Speaker 2: it's okay to sort of have things end neatly. So
Speaker 2: much of life is messy, so it's actually so satisfying
Speaker 2: sometimes to be able to watch something like this and go, yeah,
Speaker 2: they ended up together whatever happily Ever afternoons in real
Speaker 2: life versus movies, it's sometimes really nice to be able
Speaker 2: to see it.
Speaker 1: So Harry decides he wants to be with Sally. He
Speaker 1: races to a New Year's Eve party, and therefore laying
Speaker 1: the blueprint for the next thirty years of romantic comedies.
Speaker 1: Just ever listened.
Speaker 5: I've been doing a lot of things.
Speaker 2: I love him? What how do you expect me to
Speaker 2: respond to this?
Speaker 1: How bad? You love me too?
Speaker 2: All that I'm.
Speaker 5: Leaving doesn't want I said mean anything to you.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Harry. I know it's New Year's Eve. I
Speaker 2: know you're feeling lonely, but you just can't show up here,
Speaker 2: tell me you love me, and expect that to make
Speaker 2: everything all right. It doesn't work this way.
Speaker 3: Well how does it work?
Speaker 1: I don't know, But not this way.
Speaker 9: How about this way. I love that you get cold
Speaker 9: when it's seventy one degrees. I love that it takes
Speaker 9: you an hour and a half to order a sandwich.
Speaker 9: I love that you get a little crinkle above your
Speaker 9: nose when you're looking at me like I'm nuts. I
Speaker 9: love that after I spend a day with you, I
Speaker 9: can still smell your perfume on my clothes. And I
Speaker 9: love that you are the last person I want to
Speaker 9: talk to before I go to sleep at night. And
Speaker 9: it's not because I'm lonely, and it's not because it's
Speaker 9: New Year's Eve. I came here tonight because when you
Speaker 9: realize you want to spend the rest of your life
Speaker 9: with somebody, you want the rest of your life to
Speaker 9: start as soon as possible.
Speaker 8: You see, that is just like you, Harry. You say
Speaker 8: things like that, and you make it impossible for me
Speaker 8: to hate you. I hate you, Harry, I really hate you.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty great I mean, if you take
Speaker 1: this as an island of the film and kind of go,
Speaker 1: this exists and there's been no other films made, you know,
Speaker 1: it's great. And yeah the film I made I Love
Speaker 1: You Too back in twenty ten, you know, like we
Speaker 1: went exactly to this when Harry met Sally play but
Speaker 1: we had Brendan cow delivered this speech to Evonstrahovsky, and
Speaker 1: you know it's their fun speeches are right, but that's
Speaker 1: I think that's the goat as far as that that
Speaker 1: that kind of scene.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, it's it's I don't think he could.
Speaker 2: I don't think he could make it any better than that.
Speaker 2: It's just absolutely lovely and you'd have to have a
Speaker 2: heart of stone not feel something in that moment for
Speaker 2: those two and just every knowing that the twelve years
Speaker 2: or whatever it is that passes from when they meet
Speaker 2: to when that happens, and everything that's happened in between
Speaker 2: to lead to that moment is beautifully beautifully done.
Speaker 1: So I think you're right. I think it's they've earned
Speaker 1: that speech. I think sometimes people make the mistake and
Speaker 1: I've probably made it as well with my film where
Speaker 1: he gives a similar speech. But we haven't seen with
Speaker 1: Harry and Sally. It's they are. They've rubbed against each
Speaker 1: other for so much of the movie when they first met. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so for him to kind of to announce that all
Speaker 1: the things that he has kind of said annoys him,
Speaker 1: that they don't annoy him anymore. Yeah, in fact, in
Speaker 1: fact he's grown to love them is perfect.
Speaker 2: And it's so he's so earnest in that moment because
Speaker 2: so much of the movie he's spent being you know,
Speaker 2: clever and a little bit cynical in his humor. But
Speaker 2: in that moment he's very, you know, very serious about it.
Speaker 2: And I think that that's why you take it seriously,
Speaker 2: is you know that for all the kidding and the falling,
Speaker 2: he's revealed that he, just like anybody else, wants to
Speaker 2: be happy. And I think that that's that's the universal
Speaker 2: truth of love.
Speaker 1: Right absolutely. And one more thing that they do, which
Speaker 1: Reberina does before we wrap up, and I'll just quickly
Speaker 1: take you through Roberina's extraordinary runner films game is most
Speaker 1: most films come up with conceits to keep the characters together.
Speaker 1: This does the opposite, This separates them. You know, for
Speaker 1: the first half hour the film that they're being separated
Speaker 1: and coming back together, which is a really lovely device
Speaker 1: and it's quite a unique device. All right, before I
Speaker 1: let you go and thank you so much, as this
Speaker 1: this podcast comesry homework, and I do appreciate you taking
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 2: I absolutely loved it. It's you know, it's it was
Speaker 2: an invitation for me to just sit And there have
Speaker 2: been I've been so busy lately that I haven't had
Speaker 2: I haven't had the time, I haven't been able to
Speaker 2: justify just being able to sit down and watch something.
Speaker 2: So it's really lovely just to be able to watch
Speaker 2: something and not have devices nearby, but just immerse yourself
Speaker 2: in it. And I think that that's a lovely invitation
Speaker 2: that you give your guests to be able to do that.
Speaker 1: So thank you, oh thank you. And your your ability
Speaker 1: on Marsterschef to to articulate something you have just seen
Speaker 1: is like and in a compassionate manner, but also you
Speaker 1: know it's it's a critique, so you're giving feedback. I
Speaker 1: think it's extraordinary and you are such a bout of
Speaker 1: fresh air on a strange television and more, will we
Speaker 1: see you for many many years to come? Absolutely no doubt,
Speaker 1: but to go back to Rob Ryaner. So this is
Speaker 1: if you're looking for films, also check out if you
Speaker 1: haven't seen them. He So, Rob Ryaner is an American
Speaker 1: child actor in All In the Family showed it was
Speaker 1: much bigger in the States than it was here in Australia.
Speaker 1: But his father's Carl Reiner, who is a legend, works
Speaker 1: a lot with mel Brooks, an absolute legend, like one
Speaker 1: seventeen Emmys, heaps of awards. Rob Ryaner kind of adored
Speaker 1: his father, Ladaaliz's father. Kind of even being you know,
Speaker 1: an actor in one of the big biggest CV shows
Speaker 1: at the time wasn't enough. He kind of wanted to
Speaker 1: impress his dad and make him proud of him. So
Speaker 1: he decides to go into directing and this is how
Speaker 1: he does it. His debut film is one of the
Speaker 1: quintessential comedy is one of the most groundbreaking comedies, a
Speaker 1: comedy this is in This is Spinal Tap in nine
Speaker 1: and eighty four. There'll be that no office, there'll be
Speaker 1: no waiting for Guffman and Best in Show Without Spinal Tap.
Speaker 1: The influence of that film is extraordinary. It follows that
Speaker 1: with a lovely film which I watched when it came out,
Speaker 1: called The Sure Thing with John Cusack. It's a lovely
Speaker 1: little film. Check that out stand by Me in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty six, extraordinary, The Princess Bride in eighty seven, and
Speaker 1: then when Harry met Sally in eighty nine. Now that's
Speaker 1: an extraordinary run of comedy films. Then it decides to
Speaker 1: diversify a bit. He makes Misery in nineteen ninety with
Speaker 1: Kathy Bates and James Kahn, an extraordinary film from that genius.
Speaker 1: I love that film of Stephen King book makes it
Speaker 1: changes again. In ninety two he makes a Few Good
Speaker 1: Men with Tom Cruise and Jack Nicholson off an Aaron
Speaker 1: Sorkin screenplay, and that is a great courtroom drama. I
Speaker 1: watch it. I've watched that film many many times, and
Speaker 1: it's a very easy film to watch. Then he makes
Speaker 1: a film Good North, which doesn't go as well. It's
Speaker 1: got Bruce willis a big ensemble cast. He makes a
Speaker 1: film which I just wanted to give a shout out
Speaker 1: to because it gets played in our house a lot.
Speaker 1: If you look for a romance film with some comedy
Speaker 1: and written by Aaron sork And, it's almost like a
Speaker 1: precursor to the West Wing. The American President is Michael
Speaker 1: Douglas and A net Bean is really smart. It's got
Speaker 1: some weird things in it, like talking about fossil fuels
Speaker 1: and gun control way back in nineteen.
Speaker 2: Ninety four, very foreshadowy stuff.
Speaker 1: It really is and it's worth a look at. But
Speaker 1: Rob Ryan I think deserves I'm not sure. Again, it's
Speaker 1: hard sometimes to know if anyone's underrated, but he deserves.
Speaker 1: Sometimes when people make commercial hits, they don't get the
Speaker 1: same kudos as a director that maybe you know the
Speaker 1: Caen Brothers or Where's Anderson? But Rob ryaner that is
Speaker 1: right at the top of directors for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you think about that if you'd made,
Speaker 2: if any anyone would have made one of those films,
Speaker 2: you'd be able to live your life knowing you made
Speaker 2: something really awesome. But to you know, to listen to
Speaker 2: it back like that and think about all of that
Speaker 2: work and how much it's you know, there are infinite
Speaker 2: quotes from those movies that if you've never seen the film,
Speaker 2: you would have heard. You know, you want the truth,
Speaker 2: you can't handle the truth, or you know, whatever it
Speaker 2: happens to be. It's that contribution to popular culture and
Speaker 2: to the zeitgeist is it's pretty exceptional stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, rob Ryana, if you're listening, we love you,
Speaker 1: come on the show one day listen. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much once again. I know again it takes homework and
Speaker 1: we can't wait to see you again, hopefully get a
Speaker 1: little break and then you again on mauch Chef this
Speaker 1: celebrity edition Celebrity mass Chef coming up.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, absolutely, I think October.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, thank you.
Speaker 5: What does the song mean my whole life? I don't
Speaker 5: know what the song means. I mean, should all the
Speaker 5: acquaintance be forgotten? Does that mean that we should forget
Speaker 5: all the acquaintances? Who doesn't mean that if we haven't
Speaker 5: to forget them, we should remember them, which is not
Speaker 5: possible because we've already forgotten.
Speaker 6: Well maybe it just means that we should remember that
Speaker 6: we forgot them or something.
Speaker 4: Anyway, it's about old friends.
Speaker 1: Odd Lang sign. We hear it again. We spoke about
Speaker 1: it in an early episode It's a Wonderful Life with
Speaker 1: Brodan Kelly. It makes me emotionally every time I hear it.
Speaker 1: I think I love it. I love that movie. Rob
Speaker 1: ryaner Well done and well done to everyone involved. A
Speaker 1: lot of point at that Barry Sononfield was a dop
Speaker 1: on this movie. The director of photography you might know
Speaker 1: that name. So Barry Suttenfield had doped the Coen Brothers
Speaker 1: early films Blood Simple, Raising Arizona. Then he did throw
Speaker 1: Momber off the train where he met Billy Crystal, did
Speaker 1: big with Penny Marshall, Rob Brian's ex wife. Then he
Speaker 1: did when when Harry met Sally. Then he makes Miller's
Speaker 1: Crossing a misery another co By this film and another
Speaker 1: Rob Bryaner film, and then he goes into the miseries.
Speaker 1: At the last film he d ops, he goes onto
Speaker 1: the direct Adam's Family and Adam Adam Familey Values, which
Speaker 1: are highly regarded films get Shorty. The one he's known for, though,
Speaker 1: is the Many Black series. He directs the Many Black
Speaker 1: Series and more recently, in fact, right now he's directing
Speaker 1: episodes of Schmiggerdoon, which you can see on Apple TV.
Speaker 1: But a great contribution to this film, as did, of course,
Speaker 1: Harry Knick Jr. Who was Bloody. He was huge around
Speaker 1: his time, wasn't he directly remember Harry Conick Jr.
Speaker 10: Yeah, big time.
Speaker 11: Didn't we all just love him? All the ladies loved him.
Speaker 1: He was really big because he was like Michael Boublay
Speaker 1: before Boublay and it was was you know, it was
Speaker 1: was huge. Probably the last thing he was really known for,
Speaker 1: probably here in Australia, was appearing on Red Faces and
Speaker 1: Hey Hayes Saturday when he caught out the Jackson the
Speaker 1: Jackson give for their pretty horrendous black face sketch on
Speaker 1: on Red Faces. But yeah, I always seemed like a
Speaker 1: really cool guy. Harry Connick Jr. I'm not really sure
Speaker 1: what he's up to now. He got in some acting.
Speaker 1: He made a movie called Copycat where he played a
Speaker 1: serial killer and I'm not sure how that went, but yeah,
Speaker 1: obviously plays a big part in this movie. There's one
Speaker 1: of the fun fact I wanted to point out. Tom
Speaker 1: Hanks was scoff of the role of Harry in this film.
Speaker 1: I thought it was too lightweight. Funnily enough, he woul
Speaker 1: didn't go on and make slips in Seattle and You've
Speaker 1: Got Mail with Meg Ryan arguably two films that are
Speaker 1: more lightweight than Where Harry Met Sally, and also one
Speaker 1: more quick fast fact Joe, who Sally hooks up with
Speaker 1: at the airport he's going out with. He's played by
Speaker 1: Stephen Ford, who is the son of former US President
Speaker 1: Gerard Ford. There you go. Actual. A lot of the
Speaker 1: fun facts were thrown into the discussion. How good is
Speaker 1: melissicly Young by the way, Derek, how good? I mean?
Speaker 1: She has been such a breath of fresh air on
Speaker 1: Austraine television last the most that job had so much
Speaker 1: pressure on it. It was a massive franchise. You know,
Speaker 1: it meant a lot the network and that production company
Speaker 1: to keep that show going, you know, to walk in
Speaker 1: and to not only do a great job, I think,
Speaker 1: to elevate the job, to be honest, and I think
Speaker 1: she's been just stunning in it.
Speaker 11: I think she's amazing. I think they all are.
Speaker 10: I had another look at Master Chef, you know, I
Speaker 10: got word that they had a new set of judges
Speaker 10: on and I had a look and I was absolutely
Speaker 10: blown away by the just that warm feeling, like the
Speaker 10: other one was when I first started. Everyone watched it,
Speaker 10: didn't they Everyone in the country watched it, But people
Speaker 10: like me that don't really cook much. It really just
Speaker 10: adds anxiety.
Speaker 11: Oh god, why would you cook.
Speaker 10: It looked frightening, you know, but the support I really
Speaker 10: really really been enjoying it, and I think they're doing it.
Speaker 11: It reminds me of Akadaca in a way, you know,
Speaker 11: with Bond Scott and then yes they replaced him and
Speaker 11: came out with Back in Black, which to me is
Speaker 11: one of the best Australian albums ever made.
Speaker 1: I I you said this sund your Acadaca, I was like,
Speaker 1: where are you going with this? The Bond Scott into
Speaker 1: Brian Johnson is a very good comparison. So well played,
Speaker 1: well played. Derek Yasny podcast at gmail dot com is
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Speaker 1: amount of people who are listening. But even you know,
Speaker 1: the guests. Yeah, we can look at you know, international
Speaker 1: guests and stuff like that doing live shows. You know,
Speaker 1: have the confidence of doing that kind of stuff. So yeah,
Speaker 1: but thank you for listening. We'd love everyone when we
Speaker 1: hear from you at Yesney podcast at gmail dot com. Okay,
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed that episode. I got a lot of
Speaker 1: time for Melissa and a lot of time for that movie.
Speaker 1: So next week on the show, we have a we
Speaker 1: have a great made of Mind. I'm really excited to
Speaker 1: have Justin Hamilton. He is a comedian who was raised
Speaker 1: and lived in Adelaide, moved to Melbourne as as an
Speaker 1: adult when his comedy career was taking off, and now
Speaker 1: lives in Sydney's He's a journeyman, but he is one
Speaker 1: of my favorite people. He's not my favorite person to
Speaker 1: speak about movies with and all pop cultural things. He
Speaker 1: has a great podcast called The Big Squid Podcast all
Speaker 1: kinds of podcasts, music, movies, TV shows, comic graphic comics.
Speaker 1: So it's check that out and next week we'll be
Speaker 1: discussing we've we've been in the eighties to the last
Speaker 1: few weeks. We're going to go back a little bit further.
Speaker 1: We're going back to nineteen seventy one for the Gene
Speaker 1: Hackman Roy Scheider cop classic from William Freakin. It is
Speaker 1: the French Connection. It is a riveting ride. That'll be
Speaker 1: next week and you ain't seen nothing yet with my
Speaker 1: great mate Justin Hamblon until then bive an out and
Speaker 1: so we leave all Pete save fan Salt and to
Speaker 1: our friends of the radio audience, we've been a pleasant
Speaker 1: a time.