1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,160 Speaker 1: There's been a lot of discussions so far this morning 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: about the announcement made by the Northern Territory government yesterday. 3 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: What we know is that alcohol bands are going to 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 1: be reinstated across the Northern Territory, preventing the sale of 5 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: alcohol to people living in town camps and remote communities. 6 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: The Northern Territory Chief Minister yesterday, well, she did cave 7 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: to what has been mounting pressure amid crime and terrible, 8 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,319 Speaker 1: terrible situations with domestic violence and alcohol related assaults. And 9 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: just going through that report, it really identifies what a 10 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: number of groups and individuals have been saying out of 11 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: Central Australia for quite some time. 12 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 2: Now joining me on the line right now. 13 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: Is the CEO of Central Australian Congress, Donna g. 14 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 2: Good morning to you. Donna. 15 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,279 Speaker 3: Hey morning, Katie, Thanks so much for. 16 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 2: Your time this morning. Donna. What was your reaction to 17 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 2: the announcement yesterday. 18 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 3: Oh, look, Katie, Congress is very pleased for Aboriginal leaders, 19 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 3: communities and organizations in Australia have been listened to. As 20 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 3: you said in your introduction, we've been calling very strongly 21 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 3: for a two fold strategy, strategy to address the harm 22 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 3: that alcohol is causing for our people. So having the 23 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 3: reintroduction of alcohol bands to break the cycle of violence 24 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 3: and keep our people and family safe, combined with sustained 25 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 3: investment and action on the drivers of destructive drinking like 26 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 3: intergenerational trauma, poverty, poor education, poor housing and discrimination. With 27 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 3: that announcement of two hundred and fifty million investments, along 28 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 3: with the reintroduction of the alcohol restrictions, we think that 29 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 3: both governments have made a very good decision and they 30 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 3: have listened to what Aboriginal leaders have been calling for. 31 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 2: It took them a while, though, didn't it. Donald. 32 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: I mean, they certainly seemed to be digging their heels 33 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: in last week and the week before. I know that, 34 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: you know, even yourself had been in quite a terrible 35 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: situation where you'd suffered a home break in, and you know, 36 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: your story wasn't different to what a lot of people 37 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: were saying out of Central Australia, which I guess was 38 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: the really tough part. But they did seem to be 39 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: digging their heels in last week, didn't they. 40 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 3: Well, Katie, look, I've made it really clear, you know, 41 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 3: leading up to this decision that we were looking at 42 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,119 Speaker 3: you know, this sort of situation occurring, So I don't 43 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 3: really want to look backwards. Actually, I think it's important 44 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 3: that we look forward and that we and that we 45 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 3: all worked together with the Commonwealth, the Northern Territory government, 46 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 3: and the Aboriginal leadership of the Northern Territory to actually 47 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 3: make sure that you know, that the robust process for 48 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 3: decisions being made at the local level in communities that 49 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 3: are affected by these bans who would wish to see 50 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 3: alcohol return to their communities, with appropriate mechanisms in place 51 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 3: to ensure that we don't see a return of those 52 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 3: awful statistics in relation to alcohol fuels harm. Along with 53 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 3: making sure that the two hundred and fifty million dollar 54 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 3: investment that we keep both governments accountable and in particular 55 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 3: the Northern Territory government, but also those who will be 56 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 3: recipients of this funding to make sure that there are 57 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 3: appropriate accountability mechanisms put on them as well. We're all 58 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 3: in this together. We're all in this together, and if 59 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 3: we're going to make a difference, we've got to work 60 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 3: together to make this happen, and we've got to have accountability, 61 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 3: transparency and shared decision making. 62 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, spot on, you know, particularly with making sure that 63 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: money that is invested is going into areas where it's 64 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: truly needed and that it's having an impact in a 65 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: positive way. 66 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 3: Exactly, Katie, and I think, Look, I think that what 67 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 3: we've got here is some really important elements of the 68 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty million dollar announcement. So community safety, 69 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 3: ensuring that you know that we have cohesion and more 70 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 3: news engagement and diversion programs, job creation, better services, addressing 71 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 3: feedal alcohol fecter and disorder fas D, investing in families 72 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 3: and improving school attendance and completion. Now I'm not sure 73 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 3: if your listeners are aware, but we have three thousand 74 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 3: Aboriginal kids that aren't going to school across the Northern Territory. 75 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 3: So the fact that they's been identified as an area, 76 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 3: you know, for investments, I think is a really good 77 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 3: decision of both governments. So we need to make sure 78 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 3: that we that we that we have appropriately well designed 79 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 3: strategies to get those three thousand kids that aren't going 80 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 3: to school into the school system, and for those that 81 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 3: are in the school system and that they're not dropping out, 82 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 3: to keep them in, We've got to make sure that 83 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 3: we've got you know, quality wrap around support services, you know, 84 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 3: and their families and you know, in partnership with the 85 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 3: Cist school. So we want I'd like to see the health, 86 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 3: health sector and the education system working together to get 87 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 3: those appropriate support, wrap around support services for those kids 88 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 3: in the school as well the other the other area 89 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 3: around fas D. You know, we've got a waiting list 90 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 3: as an example at Congress, we've got a Child Youth 91 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 3: Assessment and Treatment service and we've got we've got over 92 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 3: a hundred referrals that we cannot meet the demand. So 93 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 3: the announcement to have fas D is a priority area 94 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 3: we are really pleased with. You know, one of my 95 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 3: staff was recently, uh you know, doing some public media 96 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 3: on this and said, look, you know, she was asked 97 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 3: the question how, you know, in terms of additional staff 98 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 3: to meet that need. What what would you be looking at? 99 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 3: Because this service that we've got is one of its 100 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 3: kind in the Northern Territory as well as in the country, 101 00:06:54,600 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 3: you know, having neuropsychologists, social workers and the appropriate field 102 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 3: workforce to do these assessments and then have subsequent treatment provided. 103 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 3: So we're only able to do that in town. There's 104 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 3: a much there's much need out in the bush. So 105 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 3: she was asked the question, what what what what additional 106 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 3: you know, stuffing would you need and she said, look, 107 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 3: I hate to think, but off the top of my head, 108 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 3: at least four to six, you know, additional staff to 109 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 3: meet the need. And that's that's the need in terms 110 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 3: of the waiting list as well as meeting some of 111 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 3: the need out Bush. So I am really pleased with 112 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 3: the focus areas and I'm really pleased that we've got 113 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 3: to both and approach not a either all because I've 114 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 3: constantly heard this debate that alcohol is a symptom. Now 115 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 3: I get that, I really understand that that's that. But 116 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 3: at the end of the day, this is, you know, complex, 117 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 3: and my view is is that alcohol consumption and as 118 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 3: a result of that, alcohol related harm is actually a cause. 119 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 3: And we thought we've seen it. We've seen it because 120 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 3: as soon as you lifted the restriction, look what happened. 121 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 3: So the underlying social determinants, you know, we've got a 122 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 3: long way to go there. So it's actually both. We've 123 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 3: got to do both, and we've got to make sure 124 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 3: that we you know, we stay the course. We stay 125 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 3: the course, and we monitor the outcome and we make 126 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 3: sure that we're making a difference. 127 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: Donna, we are going to have to wrap up, but 128 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: do you have a hope for Alice Springs and for 129 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: Central Australia following on from that announcement yesterday? 130 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 2: I know it was tough, Like the last couple of weeks. 131 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: I'd seen a few of those interviews that you've done 132 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: and it was it was tough to watch. So I 133 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: can't imagine how you know, how you were feeling and 134 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: how the people of Alice were feeling. Do you have 135 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: hope for the Red Center following on from yesterday, Katy. 136 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 3: Katie, I am feeling very optimistic now. In light of 137 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 3: those immediate restrictions that were put in place, we saw 138 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 3: almost immediately improvements. We saw improvements in domestic violence go 139 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 3: from twenty five a day down to under ten. We 140 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 3: saw police call outs go from two hundred to one 141 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 3: hundred and twenty, and so we've seen immediate improvements. We've 142 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 3: still got a bit to go, of course, but this 143 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 3: announcement is really going to help that, and we've just 144 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 3: got to work together, put politics aside and put in 145 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 3: place the things that we know work. Do it in 146 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 3: partnership with Aboriginal leadership. And communities and we will definitely 147 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 3: bring the town back to what it was always a 148 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 3: beautiful town. Like any other rural or remote town in Australia. 149 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 3: We have our ups and downs, like I've said in 150 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 3: the past, but I'm feeling optimistic. I am really feeling 151 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 3: optimistic now. So thank you. 152 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: K Yeah, I really appreciate your time this morning, Donna, 153 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: and please keep in contact with us. I'd be really 154 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: keen to hear how things are tracking, but keen to 155 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: hear more as well about some of those initiatives that 156 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: you've spoken about with faz D and various other areas, 157 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: because I think that they are really important parts of 158 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: the discussion. So Donna Archie, thank you so much for 159 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: your time today. 160 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 3: Thank you, Katie, thank you