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Speaker 1: Earlier today, we did catch up with the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: Police Association after the Northern Territory Ombudsman released a report

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Speaker 1: calling for spit hoods to be banned through legislation for

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Speaker 1: adults as well as youths. The report recommended Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: Police explore alternative approaches with experts instead of using those

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Speaker 1: restraint chairs. Now joining me in the studio right now

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Speaker 1: is the Northern Territory Police Assistant Commissioner Travis Worst. Good

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Speaker 1: morning to.

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Speaker 2: You, morning Cody, Morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Assistant Commissioner, in what circumstances are spit hooods and

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Speaker 1: restraint chairs used?

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Speaker 3: So spit hoods in the first instance, spit guards as

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Speaker 3: we call them, are only used on adults in the

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Speaker 3: watchhouse precincts across the territory. They're not able to be

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Speaker 3: used in any other environment outside of that. That's what

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Speaker 3: our current policy position is. Certainly, we cannot use them

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Speaker 3: you're on youth at all. Unfortunately for the way in

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Speaker 3: which our business operates, that although police might take all

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Speaker 3: the steps they need to mitigate the risk and harm

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Speaker 3: associated with people spitting at them, those risks and harms

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Speaker 3: don't actually mean that they're not going to be affected

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Speaker 3: by anyone spitting in them. So we still use those

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Speaker 3: tools within the watchhouse environment. It's a necessary tool to

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Speaker 3: support our police to make sure they're not effective. There

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Speaker 3: is nothing more disgusting and have them being spaed on.

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Speaker 3: I've been in that situation. It's disgusting. We actually had

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Speaker 3: one of our members in our Springs Watchhouse on Monday

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Speaker 3: who was spat upon. It's disgusting and not only the

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Speaker 3: impact of the actual event itself, but it requires our

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Speaker 3: police to go through a set of protocols to make

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Speaker 3: sure that their health and well being is maintained, and

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Speaker 3: that actually can take months and months to step through,

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Speaker 3: all the testing that's required, all the unknowns that come

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Speaker 3: with that. Unfortunately, we've had people who have contracted illnesses

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Speaker 3: as the consequence of being spat on. It's disgusting. So

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Speaker 3: we'll continue to use those tools to protect our police

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Speaker 3: in that watchhouse. Only we don't use them for transporting prisons,

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Speaker 3: we don't use them in public, but we certainly still

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Speaker 3: to use them. Noting the report from the Omtsman and

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Speaker 3: the recommendations, we're well aware of those recommendations and will

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Speaker 3: continue to work through those.

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Speaker 1: Can you tell me, because I know a lot of

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Speaker 1: people listening are going to think to themselves that the

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Speaker 1: spi hoods are probably similar to what they've seen in vision,

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Speaker 1: let's say, from don Dale Youth Detention Center many years ago.

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Speaker 1: What do these spi hoods actually look like what I'll do?

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Speaker 1: They're not spi hoods?

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Speaker 3: Are they what I'll do next time I come in again?

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Speaker 3: It's not very good for radio, but I will show

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Speaker 3: you what they actually look like. They're no longer as evasive,

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Speaker 3: they're not as dark. They still prevent that there's visibility.

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Speaker 3: You can still see. They just prevent a person from spitting,

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Speaker 3: and we obviously manage them in particular ways that if

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Speaker 3: They're quite a drastic step, but unfortunately sometimes our client

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Speaker 1: Steps and it is disgusting, you know, spitting on somebody

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Speaker 1: protection measures in place. You know, you do need to

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Speaker 1: make sure that you're keeping offices safe as well. And

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Speaker 1: you know, the last thing that anybody wants when they

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Speaker 1: I understand that the Ombudsman's obviously released this very extensive report,

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Speaker 1: there is so much to cover off on this morning,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about these few incidents

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Speaker 1: as I understand it, firstly, a twenty one year old

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Speaker 1: But have there now been charges late?

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Speaker 2: So yes.

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Speaker 3: So we're talking about a matter that occurred on the

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Speaker 3: There was another person which became involved, she too was assaulted.

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Speaker 3: These girls then left the area. Police used their tools

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Speaker 2: As soon as it was known that she was.

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Speaker 3: Under the age of criminal responsibility, she was released from

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Speaker 1: Were territory families then notified. Is that part of the process.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, So, as soon as a person under the asia

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Speaker 3: Police's responsibility is to notify territory families through the referral

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Speaker 3: process that we stepped through, and then that is then

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we did speak to territory families about that

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Speaker 1: it is sort of comfort for the victim of that

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Speaker 1: you've got. Now, another frightening incident in Palmerston where a

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Speaker 1: How did this unfold?

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Speaker 3: So we had a situation in the Parmestan CBD on

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Speaker 3: as you've just described, a young mother was placing a

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Speaker 2: Those young people then left the area and police have both.

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Speaker 3: They've both been identified and both been charged with aggravator

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Speaker 3: Fact that these young people were armed with and chose

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Speaker 3: that particular behavior. And those young people are now on bail.

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Speaker 2: So they've been bailed I believe so, Yes, an appending court.

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Speaker 1: Who decides them that they get bailed after an incident

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Speaker 2: Depending on the circumstances.

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Speaker 3: They're thirteen, so if they've got criminal history, that depends

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Speaker 3: on whether they're already on bail. I'm not entirely sure

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I know that plenty of people listening are

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Speaker 1: going to be quite surprised to hear that. You know,

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Speaker 1: you can threaten them on with her baby in a

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Speaker 1: be ropable some people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, they may well be. And I understand that.

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Speaker 3: Actually I need to double I do not know. I

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Speaker 3: can tell you the first child where the thirteen year

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Speaker 3: And the other one I've said that was bailed.

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Speaker 1: But we can always now I doan leader listening, No, no,

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Speaker 1: that's all right, we can always.

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Speaker 2: We would normally step through.

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Speaker 1: Assistant commissioner. Are these kinds of attacks or you know

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Speaker 1: what's going on? Is it becoming more brazen, because to

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Speaker 3: We have seen a change in behavior, and you and

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Speaker 2: It would become an aggravator robbery.

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Speaker 3: This is not something that we see happen very often

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Speaker 3: where that high level type offending by such young young people,

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Speaker 3: strategy strategy contains the lots of excuse me information, but

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Speaker 3: at its heart, people are making decisions to carry a

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Speaker 3: to the point of understanding what that looks like will

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Speaker 3: put measures in place. Part of the Knife Strategy includes

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Speaker 3: That will commence no sooner than the twenty first of September.

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Speaker 3: But all those sorts of things are community based end

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Speaker 1: Well, we did speak to the Police Association about this

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Speaker 1: earlier this morning and they questioned the government's data that

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Speaker 1: they do so the knives and edged weapons making up

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Speaker 1: only five percent of violent crimes. Did that data did that?

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Speaker 1: Did it come from the Northern Territory Police.

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Speaker 3: So this was developed by the Attorney General's Department and

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Speaker 3: they may well have done their own data analysis there.

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Speaker 3: I can't speak to the data that's in there.

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Speaker 1: Yep. That's all right, just on that strategy, though obviously

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Speaker 1: it includes the development of an INTI police lead action

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Speaker 1: plan to prevent knife crime in public places. Is that

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Speaker 1: different to the wanding strategy.

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Speaker 3: It's all part of it. So there needs to be

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Speaker 3: will be bail management as well. There's lots of tools

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Speaker 3: here and it's part of that broader strategy around as

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Speaker 3: I've just discussed the education component. So it's not the

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Speaker 3: education will be something the police will be a part of,

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Speaker 3: but it needs to be part of the holistic approach

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Speaker 3: to the risks and dangers that knife crime poses to

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Speaker 3: the community. It's not just about youth either. Lots of

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Speaker 3: knife crime relates to adults and relates to urban, regional

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Speaker 3: remote offending. It's not all just what people might picture

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Speaker 1: I want to move along again. There is a lot

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Speaker 1: to cover off this morning. We know the Deputy Commissioner

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Speaker 1: Murray's small page has announced his retirement from the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory Police Force after forty four years in policing. Do

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Speaker 1: you know why he's made this decision?

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Speaker 3: So anyone who gets to forty four years in policing

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Speaker 3: deserves to retire and retire with prestige. He started Western

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Speaker 3: Australian Police and as his career here on the fifteenth

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Speaker 3: of September of this year actually is the forty fourth

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Speaker 2: That's extraordinary.

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Speaker 3: He has chosen this time as the time for him

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Speaker 3: to jumping his caravan and saale off into the sunset

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Speaker 3: side to speak.

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Speaker 2: And I wish him all the best.

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Speaker 3: I thank him for everything he's done for the Northern

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Speaker 3: the territory. He's brought a lot of experience and a

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Speaker 3: over that time.

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Speaker 2: And I wish him all the best.

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Speaker 1: It's not your decision, obviously, he's made the decision to retire,

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Speaker 1: but I know that there's some sort of questioning in

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Speaker 1: think it's just a case here where he's put his

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Speaker 3: Well, without without speaking too much on his behalf, he is.

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Speaker 3: His contracts was coming to an end next year anyway,

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Speaker 3: and he's made the decision now that he'll take matters

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Speaker 3: into his own hands and retire.

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Speaker 1: Well, Travis willis assistant commissioner. What's the process now actually

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Speaker 1: though in sort of you know, in terms of I

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Speaker 1: know you're not the commissioner, you're the assistant role. But

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Speaker 1: what's the process now in terms of filling that role

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Speaker 1: that he steps out of.

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Speaker 2: So once that's been vacated normally what would happen?

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Speaker 3: And obviously mister Murphy has been promoted to commissioner as

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Speaker 3: well from the deputy role. So the Commissioner a point

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Speaker 3: in time will determine whether he wishes to fill the

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Speaker 3: deputy role and it'll be advertised as the will course.

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Speaker 1: Well, Travis Worst, Assistant Commissioner for the Northern Territory Police.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate your time this morning. As always, no

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Speaker 1: doubt we'll talk to you again soon. Thank you,