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Speaker 1: On The Happy Family's podcast. We love to celebrate everything family,

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Speaker 1: especially the really good stuff, and I'm so excited to announce. Announce.

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Speaker 1: Announce makes it feel very formal, Kylie. Tomorrow. The announcement

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Speaker 1: is you and I have been married for twenty eight years.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, tomorrow, the twentieth March. Twentieth March is tomorrow, Friday,

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Speaker 1: the twentieth March. We were literally married on a Friday

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Speaker 1: twenty eight years ago. And you are not looking very

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Speaker 3: Okay, so either our lives are extremely busy, which they are,

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Speaker 3: or maybe my friend Perry's haven't you haven't.

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Speaker 1: Your friend very Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she shows up a fair bit lately.

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Speaker 1: For those who haven't got the gag Peri Menophaus's. So

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Speaker 1: I've got a whole lot of ideas that I because

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Speaker 1: because it's our wedding anniversary tomorrow, I've put today's podcast together.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow's a little bit of tomorrow on the podcast, which

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Speaker 1: means we're going to do normal programming tomorrow. And I

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Speaker 1: wanted to talk about the lessons that I've learned when

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Speaker 1: it comes to having a happy marriage, because I just,

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Speaker 1: unlike some people in this podcast studio right now, I

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Speaker 1: can't think of anything that I'd love to do more

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Speaker 2: You're so bad. I'm so bad, You're so bad.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. That's coming up next to the five

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Speaker 1: biggest lessons that I've learned in the last twenty eight

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Speaker 1: know how this is going to go. Stay with us.

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to The Happy Family's podcast, Real Parenting Solutions,

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Speaker 1: every single day on Australia's most downloaded parenting podcast. During

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Speaker 1: the commercial break, we have had a quick conversation about

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Speaker 1: what an anniversary means. I've handed Kylie the script. We're

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Speaker 1: on board now. It is definitely our wedding anniversary tomorrow, twentieth.

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Speaker 1: Oh and you've got it wrong, twentieth of March, twenty

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Speaker 3: I'm a bit confused because you have five lessons here,

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Speaker 1: is I'm going to whizz through these five lessons and

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Speaker 3: Let's could be the shortest podcast in the whole world

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Speaker 3: if you just let me share the two lessons that

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Speaker 3: you should have learned after twenty eight years of marriage.

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Speaker 1: It's the teas, it's the hark. You've got to hang

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Speaker 1: do about. I've actually a bit nervous. Do you want

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, Lesson number one? What have you learned?

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Speaker 1: You're so good. I'm really curious to know what you

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Speaker 1: think I should have put on this list. Let's number one.

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Speaker 1: We choose each other every day. That is something that

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Speaker 1: you have said again and again in conversations with me.

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Speaker 1: You're so grateful that I choose you every day, and likewise,

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Speaker 1: for me, every choice that we make to commit is

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Speaker 1: and I think there's nothing else to think about, no

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Speaker 2: If that other option is to walk away, Like literally,

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Speaker 3: It's finding that the one person who's willing to choose you,

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Speaker 1: The only thing that I would say that doesn't count

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Speaker 1: But when you do something that drives me crazy, ninety

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Speaker 1: Choose connection over being right. My whole thing is that

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Speaker 1: And the last one is the relationship is the priority.

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Speaker 1: The relationship is the priority, which kind of sounds like

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Speaker 1: number one. I've kind of gone full circle. But as

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Speaker 1: to go, but missus Happy Families has heard big two

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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast, Real parenting solutions every single

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Speaker 2: Happy wife, happy life? That is.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. I feel like we've just transported back

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Speaker 1: fifty years. I've gone through, all I've gone to, all

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Speaker 1: this effort, I've put together this incredible list. You forgot

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Speaker 2: I know I'm making light of it, but was that really.

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Speaker 1: the start? Oh my goodness. So just behind the curtain

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Speaker 1: with a Happy Family's podcast, you can see who does

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Speaker 1: the prep and who walks in. Waltz is in and

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Speaker 1: this missus Happy Family? Is this is this Kylie? And

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Speaker 1: people will say, I listened to Kylie on the podcast. Kylie,

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Speaker 1: you are my favorite I love you. You are just

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Speaker 1: love you and he yes, dear happy wife, happy life,

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Speaker 1: happy aniversary.

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Speaker 2: Are you going to souk now? Do we need to

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Speaker 2: play your themes?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: Don't you dare.

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Speaker 2: I know we've been making light of things, and.

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Speaker 1: Who's been making things. I've taken these really seriously. I

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Speaker 3: I forgot the two most important ones. But as I

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Speaker 3: has blessed our lives undeniably is our willingness to choose

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Speaker 1: Connect Yes, feeling seen herd valued, accepted, feeling validated, feeling

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there was definitely a lot of years, especially

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Speaker 2: But we actually got to a point where we recognized

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Speaker 2: just how depleted our relationship had gotten too because we

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Speaker 2: greatest blessing that has come into our lives as a

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Speaker 2: whatever it looks like to you just taking the opportunity

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Speaker 1: We'll just touch it, touch on corridor, right like, just

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Speaker 3: Those things make such a difference to feeling valued, seen

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Speaker 1: And I can't wait to surprise you tomorrow for the

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Speaker 2: You're so slack.

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Speaker 1: How good is that? The Happy Families podcast is produced

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Speaker 1: by Justin Rouland from Bridge Media. Mmahammonds provides additional support

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