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Speaker 1: The Wiggles acknowledge the traditional custodians of country throughout Australia

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Speaker 1: and their connections to land, see and community. We pay

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Speaker 1: our respects to elders, past, present and emerging.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Wiggle Talk, a podcast for parents. I am

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Speaker 2: Locke the Purple Wiggle.

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Speaker 3: I'm Simon the Red Wiggle. And we've got a very

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Speaker 3: special guest with us today.

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Speaker 4: We have Anthony the Blue and the Gray Head Wiggle.

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Speaker 4: Hello Anthony, gooday, Lock good Simon, good day mate.

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Speaker 5: It's great to have you back. Now.

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Speaker 3: We've got you in today because we're talking about a

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Speaker 3: brand new documentary called Happy and You Know It, which

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Speaker 3: you are a part of. The Wiggles are a part

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Speaker 3: of it, but you were spoken to on that documentary

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Speaker 3: and this documentary is it's a deep dive in the

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Speaker 3: world of children's musicians, the people behind the songs that

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Speaker 3: fill our homes, our cars, our prams and sometimes even

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Speaker 3: our dreams.

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Speaker 2: It follows performers like Laurie Berkner. Now I hadn't heard

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Speaker 2: a lot. I've always loved her.

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Speaker 4: She's amazing, such an accomplished folk musician that she's singing

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Speaker 4: so beautifully, She writes great songs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Casper, Baby Pants, Divinity Rocks, Johnny Only and yes,

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Speaker 2: the Wiggles are in there too, with Anthony sitting down

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Speaker 2: for an interview and the camera's coming right into Wiggles

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Speaker 2: HQ and backstage on tour. But before we get into that.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's right, this is our banter section, Anthony, Oh wow, yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's a new section. This is where we talk about

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Speaker 3: things have been happening in our lives. Oh good, what's

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Speaker 3: been happening in your life?

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Speaker 4: I've been on tour with the Wiggles, I've heard of them,

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Speaker 4: seen you every day. Far from that, not much.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and what about you, Lockie.

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Speaker 2: Well, I've been on tour, but you know, this tour

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Speaker 2: is in the round and it's been been a lot

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Speaker 2: of fun. Now when the round means full three sixty

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Speaker 4: And you know what I've loved musically as you know,

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Speaker 4: so laws and as she came back stage before ash up,

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Speaker 4: there we are with our amplifiers, guitars, singing songs at

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Speaker 4: the time voice and he got it. It was a great moment.

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Speaker 4: He got his two teddy bears and put him as

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Speaker 4: he watched that child just being honest.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's why.

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Speaker 4: I keep it down a bit.

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Speaker 5: I've got cars to play with Headspace.

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Speaker 4: It was, it was so fun. It's so creative to

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Speaker 4: use Teddy Bears as musk.

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Speaker 2: You've just started wearing inn ears.

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Speaker 4: I have yet for people listening in is how to

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Speaker 4: describe number.

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Speaker 3: Well, they're like INNI monitors, so they're like headphones, but

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Speaker 3: they you basically hear the whole show through the.

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Speaker 2: Head During the live show, you've got little earphones in.

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Speaker 4: We've got a live band on stage the whole time,

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Speaker 4: so we've got you know, three guitars, bass player, drama

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Speaker 4: I've got my own little mix in my years and

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Speaker 4: because I am you know, I really am losing my

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Speaker 4: hearing as he is going and such, I love it.

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Speaker 4: I can hear everybody playing. And boy tell you what, Simon,

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Speaker 4: you've got a good voice. You guys really see.

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Speaker 5: Well you keep saying you turn Simon down.

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Speaker 4: Not anymore, not anymore because in the in the wedges,

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Speaker 4: what happens at sound chick, Simon's just not warmed up yet.

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Speaker 4: So so you hit this beautiful level when the show

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Speaker 4: the voice, you know, you might have to turn it

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Speaker 4: down a little bit, because that beautiful opera voice comes out.

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Speaker 5: It's always early. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you again for joining us today, Anthony, because

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Speaker 3: we're going to be joined by someone very special. We're

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Speaker 3: joined by the woman behind Happy and you know It.

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Speaker 3: An award winning filmmaker, Penny Lane.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 3: Penny is known for diving into worlds many of us

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Speaker 2: And in this film, she does something really special. She's

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Speaker 2: taken children's music, something that we love and that every

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Speaker 4: Making music for families is this opportunity to create a

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Speaker 6: Doing something that's true to who I am and what

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Speaker 2: To create for kids.

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Speaker 6: It's kind of a huge job.

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Speaker 7: We were all little kids, and this music is touching

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Speaker 3: She spent time with musicians who've dedicated their entire careers

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Speaker 2: So today we want to hear about what Penny discovered

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Speaker 2: along the way. So let's get into it. Penny, welcome

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Speaker 2: to Wiggle Talk.

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Speaker 6: Yay, thank you for having me. I'm so excited.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us. Now, for parents listening at

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Speaker 6: So I make documentaries and I'm always just looking for

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Speaker 6: for I think delight is the word I'm looking for

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Speaker 6: delight as an artist. So obviously the world of music

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Speaker 3: Children's music artists and children's music. Was that something that

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's something happened actually, and something that happened. It's

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Speaker 6: but the something that happened was actually Baby Shark. For me,

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Speaker 6: it's important for your viewers to know I'm not a parent.

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Speaker 6: I'm like a middle aged woman without kids and a cat.

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Speaker 6: So like children's music just like was completely outside my world,

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Speaker 6: Shark was like the most popular YouTube video of all time.

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Speaker 6: And I had never even heard of baby Shark at

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Speaker 6: call it pop music for not just children, but like toddlers,

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Speaker 6: and that that was a universe that I just had

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Speaker 5: It's really interesting.

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Speaker 3: We think about it here at the Wiggles a lot

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Speaker 3: because we're so engrossed in our world. We have to

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Speaker 3: people actually have no understanding of what's going on in

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, and a good leveler.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, because the Wiggles are huge, as you know, but

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Speaker 6: realized once I began my research that like I had

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Speaker 6: been introduced to the Wiggles through the parody on thirty Rock,

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Speaker 6: Like I like didn't get that joke, and someone explained

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 2: The whole baby Shock story really surprised me on the

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so nobody knows Baby Shark emerged out of like

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Speaker 6: a bloody, gory affair. Like the whole idea was that

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Speaker 3: You know, this must be interesting like those stories with

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Speaker 5: And you must love as.

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Speaker 3: Well because it puts a whole other level of a

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Speaker 6: From totally because you know, so I knew a few

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Speaker 4: To do it.

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Speaker 3: You've got some incredible artists, so how do you find

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Speaker 3: your documentaries. You came across Anthony Field and probably regretting

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Speaker 3: for parents to understand that about children's music, which comes

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00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,280
Speaker 3: across really strongly in the film.

442
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Speaker 6: Thank You, Yeah, And I think that, you know, there's

443
00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 6: an element of the film there's like a little kind

444
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,879
Speaker 6: of scene towards the beginning where we just did like

445
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,520
Speaker 6: men on the street interviews with parents in a playground

446
00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:54,840
Speaker 6: and we ask them about like what you think about

447
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 6: children's music or whatever, and they kind of did the

448
00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,159
Speaker 6: expected script, which is like, oh, it's so annoying, you know,

449
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,520
Speaker 6: we listen to it over and over again, like you know,

450
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,680
Speaker 6: and I really like wanted the film to move from

451
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,359
Speaker 6: that to something really profound by the end, like you know,

452
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,920
Speaker 6: it's easy to sort of like laugh a little bit

453
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 6: and I'm sure many parents, as even Anthony says in

454
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,159
Speaker 6: the film, like his daughter listened to one song seventy

455
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,800
Speaker 6: seven times in a row. We know because we counted.

456
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 6: You know, like that can be a little hard on

457
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,439
Speaker 6: mom and dad. But you know, it's almost like I

458
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 6: wanted the movie to like convince more parents that this

459
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,879
Speaker 6: style of music, this kind of music that's not just

460
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,240
Speaker 6: like because a lot of my friends might say, like, whatever,

461
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 6: I don't need the Wiggles, my kids like the Stooges

462
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,720
Speaker 6: or whatever, And I think for me, it's like saying, like,

463
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 6: it's great that your kid loves this Stooges. What's great

464
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,159
Speaker 6: about kids is they love music. They love all music,

465
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,399
Speaker 6: as Anthony said, regardless of genre or whatever. But to

466
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:54,200
Speaker 6: understand the value of music that is engineered for your

467
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,639
Speaker 6: child that they understand is theirs and that it's not

468
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 6: the same thing is the music that mom and dad love,

469
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 6: but that it's music that's for them. That just seemed

470
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,160
Speaker 6: to me like such an important message to get across,

471
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 6: that like it's more than just like the dumbed down

472
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 6: adult stuff. It's like actually, like you know, really valuable

473
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 6: that it's made for them. And the thing that I

474
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 6: realized throughout making the film. I mean, we on the team.

475
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,199
Speaker 6: When you're making a music documentary, you're listening to this

476
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 6: music all day every day. It's in the edit, you're

477
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 6: you know, constantly playing these songs. And our movie has

478
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 6: like one hundred and twenty songs in it, and every

479
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 6: one of them's in Earworm, and we just seeing how

480
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 6: much joy it brought us, all adults, mostly without children

481
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 6: or our own, just like us singing Hot Potato, like us,

482
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 6: singing Baby Shark, like us adults. Like, I was like,

483
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:48,919
Speaker 6: this music's not just good for kids, it's good for

484
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 6: adults too, because it reminds you to like stop taking

485
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 6: things so seriously and to smile and have fun and

486
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 6: like you know all that stuff too. So that was

487
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 6: also really important for me to try to get across

488
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 6: that it's like not just like something that like adults

489
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 6: have to suffer through for their children's sake, but that

490
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 6: like if you can like you know, enjoy yourself and

491
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 6: have fun too, you'll like it too. Like we should

492
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 6: all have a song that we play in the morning

493
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 6: and get up and dance to. We'd all be a

494
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 6: lot happier.

495
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's very true.

496
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 3: That really does come across in the film Penny. That

497
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 3: message it's and it's a really important message for parents

498
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 3: and for children as well to accept their world and

499
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 3: the world they're in and then we're part of our

500
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 3: role as parents is to kind of harness that help

501
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 3: and that's what children's music does. It was even talking

502
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 3: before about being cool, as Caspa balue pads. I think

503
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 3: he said that Madonna spoke to him and said, if

504
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 3: you're having fun, you'll never win awards.

505
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 6: That's a career advice from Madonna. And it was basically, yeah,

506
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,919
Speaker 6: because what you do is funny and fun, it's just

507
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 6: going to like fly under the radar of like serious critics,

508
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 6: you know. And he said, like it was a huge

509
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 6: gift to be told that or in his career because

510
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 6: he never looked for that kind of recognition because he

511
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 6: he sort of understood that he wasn't going to be

512
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 6: getting it anytime soon, even if it's well crafted, even

513
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 6: if it's very well crafted, as you know.

514
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 5: That's right.

515
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, to write songs, whether they're adult

516
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 3: or children, is complex. And you see that in the

517
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 3: documentary as well, because a lot of artists are a

518
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 3: one person band and they're in the studio, they're pushing record,

519
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 3: they're going back to their instrument, they're doing vocals. There's

520
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 3: a lot of hard work involved in creating these songs

521
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 3: for children. And then on top of that, which you

522
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 3: show so beautifully, is the live aspect to it, doing

523
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 3: live shows where they're on their own, they're putting the

524
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 3: set up, they're doing it all the pa the audio.

525
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot involved, which I think parents

526
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 3: can take for granted and not quite understand.

527
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 6: But the film yeah shows that absolutely. Yeah, I'm glad

528
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 6: that came across to you.

529
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 5: Yeah.

530
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 6: And it's also the case that, like, you know, that

531
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 6: was also important to us. We were making a music documentary,

532
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 6: like that's the genre of documentary were making, so so

533
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 6: we wanted to focus on musicians who are like doing

534
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 6: this as musicians. So that's why the movie is not

535
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 6: about like I forgot the names of all the famous

536
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 6: Disney movies that are like really important, I don't know

537
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 6: it that's the one liked with Elsa anyway, So we

538
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 6: didn't do a story about like you know, Disney and

539
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 6: PBS and Sesame Street, like we were like, this is

540
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 6: about musicians, like musical artists who are doing that for a.

541
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 4: Living happy you know it. That's another song which just

542
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 4: just come to us from who knows who was Yeah,

543
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 4: if you're happy, you know it. But we recently went

544
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 4: around Timo Leste, which is in the north of Australia

545
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 4: and it's a very poor country, and uh we lent

546
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 4: around there and I speak English. A lot of the

547
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 4: children were sang if you're happy and you know it.

548
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 4: But look what they had their own in their own language.

549
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 4: They had their own actions, didn't they that.

550
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 2: They then taught us whole new verses so they could

551
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 2: recognize the tune even with us singing it in English.

552
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 2: And then they sang to us in their their language.

553
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 4: And made their own actions.

554
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 2: They added whistling, they added laugh.

555
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 6: I would love sure that. That is so cool.

556
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 4: That's it's such a great name because you know, whoever

557
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,239
Speaker 4: wrote it back in the day, thank you for that.

558
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 4: Where you are, because it's.

559
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 6: Like about not getting any credit for the craft of children.

560
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 6: We don't even know what.

561
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 4: I would think. Wherever, they are very happy that you've

562
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 4: named the doc yeah you know it.

563
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, was there anything that really surprised you in making

564
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 3: the film?

565
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 5: With regards to the artists, the children's music.

566
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think like once you really start imagining, like

567
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 6: you know, it's easy to think, Okay, well that's probably

568
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 6: pretty easy, like you know, play a few simple tunes,

569
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 6: you know, and kids will enjoy it because kids like

570
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 6: anything or whatever. It was really like the thing that

571
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 6: really got me was just doing it myself, like, you know,

572
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 6: the idea of standing up in front of a group

573
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 6: of children, like one of the artists in the film

574
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,199
Speaker 6: Divinity Rocks she talks about. I mean she toured with

575
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 6: Beyonce as her co musical director and bass player for

576
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 6: four years. She stood in auditoriums in front of like

577
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 6: fifty thousand people, right and felt totally confident in her

578
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 6: in her moment. And when she transitioned to starting to

579
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 6: do these really small shows but in front of a

580
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 6: bunch of like five year olds, she realized it was

581
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 6: incredibly intimidating. The kids are just staring at her. They're like,

582
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 6: they're not conditioned to pretend to like it. If they

583
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 6: don't like it, like they're very honest and they'll just

584
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 6: walk away. And that's what really surprised me was like

585
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 6: how little I thought I had ever thought before about

586
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 6: how intimidating it would be to like actually try to

587
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 6: hold the attention of a group of kids.

588
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 7: They're looking at everything with this sort of hmm, impress me,

589
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 7: what are you going to do that's different?

590
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 4: Ah, I get intimidated buy his low gids.

591
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 6: And there's a gag in the where we tried to

592
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 6: do like expert interviews with like zero to five year

593
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 6: olds and there's a gag and where we kind of

594
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 6: try to bring them in and put them in the

595
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 6: interview chair, but they won't sit in the chair. Like

596
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 6: it was a complete failure, but it really spoke to

597
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 6: the themes of the film, where like, you know, you

598
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 6: just can't treat kids like little adults, like you have

599
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 6: to do it in a whole new way. We were

600
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 6: able to sing with them once we got them in

601
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 6: the chair. We could like start singing wheels in the

602
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 6: bus and they might kind of sing along. But you know,

603
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 6: we got very little interview material out of that day.

604
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 4: To hear.

605
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 6: But there is one part that like just melts my

606
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 6: heart every time where there's a scene, a kind of

607
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 6: section of the film where we're talking about lullabies and

608
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 6: one of the things that we asked our kid experts,

609
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 6: you know, our zero to five year olds in the

610
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 6: interview chair, was what do you love about music? This

611
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 6: one child's answered, I like to sit next to my mom,

612
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,959
Speaker 6: And like I could just cry thinking about that, Like

613
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 6: that's the thing you should love about music, Like that

614
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 6: is the thing you should love about music, is that

615
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 6: it connects you to other people, especially people that you love. See,

616
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 6: I'm getting teary thinking about it. Like that's the most

617
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 6: profound answer I've ever heard, So, like what do you

618
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 6: love about music?

619
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 4: But it continues to pinny, it continues to not just

620
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 4: children and moms and dads adults. That's what music is.

621
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 4: Grateful connecting, connects us.

622
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you were just talking about punishing across languages,

623
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 6: I mean generations languages. Like it's it's such a connected force.

624
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 6: And it's so easy as you get into you know,

625
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 6: as soon as you start getting into like what's cool

626
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 6: or like is it cool at your school to like

627
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 6: this artist or that artist? And like you know, whose

628
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 6: band T shirt do you wear? And how does that

629
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 6: sort you socially at college or something? All that comes

630
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 6: on top at some point. But what's amazing about watching

631
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 6: children react to music is that it's none of that's

632
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 6: there like it's so pure. They're not like what's cool

633
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 6: or what are my friends like? Or like what will

634
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 6: like make this girl want to date me or something?

635
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 6: You know, it's just like, you know, what does this

636
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 6: make me feel? And like am I feeling it with

637
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,479
Speaker 6: the person? You know next to me? That's what art

638
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 6: is all about?

639
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure is divinity rocks. She kind of mentions it

640
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 3: when she talks about the bass is her kind of

641
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 3: cool thing, right, and she plays the bass and isn't

642
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 3: that cool? And the parents think it's cool and she

643
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 3: does a great kind of lick on the but the

644
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 3: children don't.

645
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 6: Care very so low.

646
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 5: That's right. You know, it's a great.

647
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 3: Thing for children to see musical instruments, all those kinds

648
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 3: of things, but the actual coolness of what we will

649
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 3: classes coolness, the children just not interested at all, which

650
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 3: I thought was a really you know, yeah, obviously what

651
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 3: she spoke to you about.

652
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 6: They're not looking for like that kind of show offie virtuosity,

653
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 6: are they. I mean, you know, you want to be

654
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 6: good at what you're doing, but that's not they're not

655
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 6: like impressed by your like you.

656
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 4: I think with the children, it's because children ecocentric thinker

657
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 4: is it has to relate to them, Right, They've got

658
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Speaker 4: nothing that would be Anything you do is going to go, well,

659
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:11,719
Speaker 4: what's in it for the child? What are they going

660
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Speaker 4: to That's.

661
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Speaker 6: A good way to put it. Yeah, it has to

662
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 6: relate to them. It has to relate to them first

663
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 6: and foremost. That makes sense.

664
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Speaker 3: Yeah, if there's something you'd like the parents to take

665
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 3: away from this film and this is for the parents,

666
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 3: what would that be?

667
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 6: Oh, just to like notice and appreciate how much music

668
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 6: connects you to your child. And again, it doesn't have

669
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 6: to be music that's made for children, as we all know,

670
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 6: it's any music at all, but just to really like

671
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 6: appreciate that and to pay attention to it and to

672
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 6: think about like what it is that you're like feeding

673
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Speaker 6: them kind of culturally. Like one of the critics in

674
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 6: our film says, it's toward the end of the film,

675
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 6: like all of this stuff is like raw material. It's

676
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 6: like we're shaping the culture of the future with like

677
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 6: the art that we choose to sort of engage with

678
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 6: our children on. So I feel like that's something that's

679
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 6: really beautiful and important to think about. But more emotionally,

680
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 6: it's just about like appreciating and enjoying that bonding experience

681
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 6: and seeing it for one of this and maybe even

682
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 6: like jumping in a little more themselves, because I think

683
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,239
Speaker 6: a lot of parents can be feel embarrassed to like

684
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 6: sort of really get down, you know, like really like

685
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 6: just have a dance party with your kids or even

686
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 6: sing a lullaby. I have friends who told me that

687
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 6: it was a real struggle for them to like learn

688
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 6: to sing lullabies to their baby, even their little infant,

689
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 6: because they just didn't feel like they were a good

690
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 6: singer and they didn't know what to sing. And I thought,

691
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 6: you know, that would probably be me if I were

692
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Speaker 6: a parent, I'd probably be one of those parents who's, like,

693
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 6: what do you like, I don't know what to sing?

694
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Speaker 6: But to really just like appreciate that and to like

695
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 6: get into it and realize definitely not about whether you're

696
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 6: a good singer when it comes to like bonding with

697
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 6: your infant or your toddler, and no one cares if

698
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 6: you're a good dancer, and that like it's just about

699
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 6: Anthony says in the movie that he can't dance at all,

700
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 6: so he feels like he can. He's on the same

701
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 6: level as an infant.

702
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Speaker 4: Who's children are so forgiving. I just love that you're

703
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 4: making an effort to entertain them. So what you're saying

704
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 4: is exactly right, Penny. Just get in there and have

705
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 4: a sing. Your children will love it.

706
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Speaker 3: Well, it's such a wonderful film, Penny, and I think

707
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 3: you the message you wanted to get across certainly does

708
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 3: get across. And I love it how showcases the Wiggles

709
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Speaker 3: and Anthony, and we don't always get to see it,

710
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 3: but seeing Anthony in that environment where he could talk

711
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 3: so eloquently about why.

712
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 5: That only ever happens, Yeah, it doesn't happen.

713
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 6: Like philosophy about children's music all day.

714
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Speaker 5: Daren No, Well we'll do to a point.

715
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 6: Not you're mostly saying we need more cow bell in

716
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 6: the song or whateppen.

717
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, basically basically that's it. But also hearing you know what,

718
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 3: other artists experience the same things that we do, and

719
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 3: everyone's going through those same challenges to have the same

720
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 3: result to create music for children, and that really comes

721
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 3: across the film.

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Speaker 4: A brilliant film, Penny. It really is a brilliant film,

723
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 4: and it gives a credit for a genre of music

724
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 4: that is sort of swept under the carpet a bit.

725
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 4: So it's great for people to see the work that

726
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 4: goes into the children's music and see children enjoying it.

727
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 4: What they get out of it, what families get out

728
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 4: of it. Think it's such an important film. So well done.

729
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 6: Thank you. It was really an honor to get to

730
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 6: hang out with you guys incorporate the Wiggles into this movie.

731
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 6: So relly, thank you.

732
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 2: Come back to Australia, I will. Did you see black cockatoos?

733
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,919
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, Oh my god, they're so punk rock?

734
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 2: Oh, come back and we can well, I mean, I'm.

735
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 6: Happy to see them again. As I said, I didn't

736
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 6: get to see the powerful owlso no, you've.

737
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 3: Got your own ol in cetral parts. That's okay, and

738
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 3: we'll all be looking out.

739
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 5: For that one.

740
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 6: Thank you.

741
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:53,479
Speaker 4: Did you see a tawny frog?

742
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 5: Now?

743
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 6: I did, actually because I went, yeah, beautiful, only because

744
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 6: someone like was there and pointed it out right, like

745
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 6: I never would have seen it because it.

746
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 4: Was so yeah, they really they bleed.

747
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, I never would have seen it.

748
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 3: That was voted recently is the most popular bird.

749
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 4: Really loves them And it's funny about the being chicken

750
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 4: because from New Zealand came over and by Rosalind and

751
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 4: she was captivating the incredible. Of course we see them

752
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 4: all the time, we no, I know.

753
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 6: That's what makes me laugh about it. They're like magnificent,

754
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 6: like incredible ibises that are like dinosaurs. They're actually so

755
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 6: amazing looking, and you guys are just like whatever, they're like,

756
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 6: get out of the way.

757
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 3: We did a song called Midnight, which highlights the.

758
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 4: You know, we were talking. I forgot what the being

759
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 4: Chicken's real name was.

760
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like a it's like a beautiful name. I

761
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 6: forget the actual full name, but it's like ancient abs

762
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 6: or something like.

763
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 4: It's a.

764
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 3: Thank you for any thanks for talking to us, and

765
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 3: we will talk anytime.

766
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 5: Well, thank you for joining us today. Anto.

767
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 4: It's a pleasure talking to somebody who is so passionate

768
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 4: about their work and what Penny's produced is a really

769
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 4: fantastic film for everyone to see that cares about, you know,

770
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 4: children's music and what goes behind it. But also just

771
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 4: talking to her about anything, it's always fun. She's such

772
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 4: a bride and a person.

773
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, always trying to find joy and happiness and whatever

774
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,959
Speaker 3: she does, which is like we're saying, what we aim

775
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 3: to do as well with the work we do. The

776
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 3: whole team really lovely, lovely group of people, and reminded

777
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 3: me there were elements of that, you know, with the

778
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 3: Wiggles documentary as well, getting a deeper understanding of what

779
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 3: goes into actually creating children's music which people people really

780
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:58,720
Speaker 3: don't understand.

781
00:36:58,800 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 5: I think it's true.

782
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 4: And also what about the little diversion into bird life

783
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 4: which you would be the person I would go to

784
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 4: about birds usually, but now.

785
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you're the mate, Locke is more of it.

786
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 3: We've discovered a bird listener. Yeah, yeah, you're a bird.

787
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 2: Listener, so you listen to the I can just know

788
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 2: what birds are. What birds are there?

789
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 5: I hear them. Caraw no not you can make this ound.

790
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 2: I should do that.

791
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 4: Carawong might be a Sydney type bird.

792
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it is maybe more Brisbane. That's quite probably

793
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 2: not very ready, you know what I loved. So we're

794
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: only talking about this the other day. But Casper baby Pants,

795
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 2: in a part of the documentary, said his rock band

796
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: were naturally dorky but had an innocent core. And we're

797
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 2: only talking about Greg's innocence in his vocals the other day.

798
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 2: I just thought that was a really nice rounded moment

799
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 2: of what makes really good children's music.

800
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 4: Out any cynicism. There's words, the music. The way we perform,

801
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 4: all of us do is without being cynical or we

802
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 4: know more than you do. You know, we're smarter than

803
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 4: the children know. We're singing into an audience that think

804
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 4: differently to us, but we try and be at bear level.

805
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 2: It's a really great documentary. So if you want to

806
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 2: see Pennies documentary, it's called Happy and You Know It

807
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 2: and it's out now. You can stream it on HBO

808
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 2: Max and we'll pop the link in the show notes.

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Speaker 3: If you love this episode, please rate and review the

810
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 3: podcast so more parents can find out about it.

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Speaker 5: Look, Anto, thanks for joining us today.

812
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 4: I made you know what you guys have just since I've.

813
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 5: Left it, Well, we've got up a few not.

814
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Speaker 4: Wes.

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00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 5: That's right.

816
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 3: Well, thanks for listening to wiggled Talk. It's a podcast

817
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 3: for parents. We'll see you soon.

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Speaker 5: By