1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: It's time for the week that was and joining us 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,039 Speaker 1: in the studio this morning. We've got the Deputy Opposition 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: Leader Jared Maylee, good morning to you. 4 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners, and. 5 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: All the way from Alice Springs, the Independent member for 6 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: Ara lew and Robin Lamley. 7 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 3: Good morning to you, Good morning Katie. 8 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: And we've also got the Deputy Chief Minister Nicole Madison. 9 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 4: Good morning, Good morning Katie. 10 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 5: Great to have you all in the studio. 11 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: Now, there's lots to cover off, but I guess in 12 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: news that broke overnight, well, Rupert Murdoch he announced that 13 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: he's stepping down as the chairman of both Fox Corporation 14 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: and News Corp after a career of almost seventy years 15 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: beginning in nineteen fifty four, and Lachlan Murdock's going to 16 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: become the sole chair of News Corp. And it's I 17 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: guess it's an interesting time in the media if you're involved. 18 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 5: In our News Corp or especially with. 19 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 4: The success of the show Succession. But what I'll say 20 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 4: is that I'm hoping that he does a farewell tour. 21 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 4: I remember the last time he was in Darwin and 22 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 4: apparently he was very fond of the Northern Territory News 23 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 4: was one of his favorites, and I'm sure they would 24 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 4: love to see him here on his farewell well. 25 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 3: He wasn't that fond of the Soon Trailian Advocate because 26 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 3: he got rid of that three years ago in pay 27 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 3: per Form, So lovetween ninety two years of age. You know, 28 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 3: when you put your feet up and move on. 29 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 2: My question, my question is he really going to step 30 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 2: away or how far is he going to step away? 31 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 2: Those sort of people never really get away. He will 32 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 2: keep working and keep working till the day in the box. 33 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 3: I guess yeah. 34 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 5: It's going to be interesting anyway. 35 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: It was big news of course internationally in the last 36 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: twenty four hours. But I'll tell you what, We've had 37 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: quite a busy week in the Northern Territory as well, 38 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: and we know that there was very sadly another stabbing 39 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: death in our CBD. The incident happened in the early 40 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: hours of Saturday morning outside of will Works on Kavanagh Straight. 41 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: The Northern Territory Police have now charged a twenty eight 42 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: year old man following that fatal. 43 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 4: Stabbing with murder. 44 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: He was arrested by detectives earlier in the week from 45 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: the Major Crime Unit after extensive investigations and was charged 46 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: with murder, armed with an offensive weapon, and possessing a 47 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: schedule to drug and was remanded to appear in court 48 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: earlier in the week. Unfortunately, not you know, not sort 49 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: of the only incident that we've seen then with a knife, 50 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: you know, that one, absolutely terrible. But we also know 51 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: Channel nine reporting throughout the week that a woman had 52 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: appeared in court after We're waving a wand around that 53 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: was apparently twenty nine centimeters long at the Casuarina bus 54 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: exchange through the week. 55 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 5: Also, I think it's. 56 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: Safe to say, and I've said this on numerous occasions, 57 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: but we did interview the Chief Minister on the show yesterday. 58 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: People have had enough. Even we had the Lord Mayor 59 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: on the show throughout the week. He said, let's cut 60 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: the bullshit. The government needs to step up and make 61 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: some really tough decisions here and they need to meet 62 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: the community's expectation. And I think that that is where 63 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: that is the sentiment of the community. 64 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 5: Everybody's had a gutful. 65 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 2: I think you're right. We all as politicians then go 66 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: around a community and people talked to me and I'm 67 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 2: sure talk to everyone. They're saying enoughs enough. People are 68 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: sick of the crime. Through the Northern territory. There's people 69 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: coming out to the rural area who live in the 70 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 2: northern side to go shopping because they're worried about crime. 71 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: People have to worry about when they're going to go 72 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 2: to work, where they're going to drop the kids off, 73 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 2: where they're going to park the car, how they're going 74 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 2: to secure their cars at nighttime. I spoke to a 75 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,679 Speaker 2: business owner this week and he's spent I think four 76 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 2: and a half thousand dollars on security because he's a 77 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 2: full drive specialist and those sorts of cars have been 78 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: targeted in relation to crime. So they break in, take 79 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 2: the car and then do all the damage to the 80 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 2: workshop as well, and then the car goes away and 81 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 2: gets lost. So when you lose your car, especially a 82 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 2: bit to trade his car, or you got your baby 83 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 2: seat in the back, you're got to go and replace 84 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 2: all that stuff again. So people have just had enough 85 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: for this crime. And I know that governments say they've 86 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: done all these things. But we had our bail strategy 87 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 2: and it was no changes after six months. We had 88 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 2: the knife clime strategy, no changes to legislation. We're going 89 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: to educate people better. But I think the Territorians have 90 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 2: said enough. We need action right now. This Labor government 91 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 2: has been in power for seven years. I'm going to 92 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 2: be eight years for the next election, and how much 93 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 2: time do they need to be able to fix the problems. 94 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 2: And the problems aren't getting better, They're getting worse. So 95 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: whatever policies and strategy the Labor government got in place 96 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 2: aren't working. We know that the police are crying out 97 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 2: because they're lack of resource and they're saying they don't 98 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 2: feel supported by police. And Nathan Flynn has come on 99 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 2: this station and set out in public many times that 100 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 2: the police I don't feel supported and they're under resource, 101 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 2: and we know that we've had two police surveys, both 102 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 2: of them said they're getting worse. So instead of trying 103 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 2: to fix the problem, the Labor government policies are just 104 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 2: set forget and Territory has had enough. 105 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 4: Well, what else say, firstly is a big thank you 106 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 4: to the police for their investigation work and being able 107 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 4: to bring forward somebody and charge them there. There is 108 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 4: no excuse for what has happened there. That is horrendous. 109 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 4: Somebody has lost their life and thank you please for 110 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 4: their diligent work in terms of arresting that person and 111 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 4: doing their investigations. We have put a huge amount of 112 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 4: work into the area of knife crime. It is not acceptable. 113 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 4: There is no excuse to threaten someone with a weapon, 114 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 4: to walk around in public with an edged weapon, there 115 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 4: is no excuse for that whatsoever. I don't buy in 116 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 4: or take any sympathy for anybody who tries to say 117 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 4: it's for self defense. No, if you go out with 118 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 4: a weapon, there is a clear intent to use it 119 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 4: in my views. So we have strength and police powers 120 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 4: to deal with those situations, to give them more search powers, 121 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 4: to give them the capacity to do wanding, which is 122 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 4: very important and contemporary legislation. You know, there is a 123 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 4: huge amount of work going out there right now to 124 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 4: tackle knife crime. 125 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: It is completely unacceptable. The thing is though in the 126 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: top end. In this year alone, we have seen a 127 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: situation where we've had a lady die as a result 128 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: of a domestic violence incident outside a hotel when the 129 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: Indigenous Affairs Mina was there. We've had a situation where 130 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: a young bottle shop worker has been killed and that's 131 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: obviously going through a court case as all of these 132 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: incidents are. We've had international student Sefat killed, we have 133 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: had a man killed at the Rapid Creek shops in 134 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: a violent incident, and we have also had what we've 135 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: seen on Saturday morning. The point is right now is 136 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: that we have had some incredibly serious violent crime on 137 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 1: our streets and also in homes where people have reached 138 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 1: the point where they do not feel safe. You've got 139 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: families that are saying I don't actually feel safe taking 140 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 1: my children to the shops. Even at a shopping center 141 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: in the Northern Suburbs two weeks ago, we had a 142 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: situation where somebody had attempted to sexually assault somebody in 143 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: the toilets, a woman in the toilets at that shopping center. 144 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: There are so many incidents that are occurring. This is like, 145 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: it's not the perception that there's crime, or it's not 146 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: that it's being reported and that there's a lot of 147 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: reporting of crime. The fact is people don't feel safe, 148 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: that community safety has diminished, and once that's gone, I 149 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: feel the government's really just got one job to do, 150 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: and that is to make sure that people feel safe 151 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:22,239 Speaker 1: living here again. 152 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 4: And you know, I hear people you know, I'm a 153 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 4: local member and when people raise community safety issues with me, 154 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 4: I take them very seriously. I take them very seriously 155 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 4: as a member of the government, and I just want 156 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 4: to say to people that we don't stop here. We 157 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 4: are putting more resources into the police. We are putting 158 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 4: more resources to give our agencies the legislation the tools 159 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 4: that they need to be able to combat these issues. 160 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 4: And we are trying to deal with the systemic issues 161 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 4: that cause crime as well. We're tackling it from all angles. 162 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: You never feel satisfied at the moment, though, man. I like, 163 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,119 Speaker 1: when you go out into your electric what are people 164 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: saying to you? Because some of what's gone on has 165 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: actually happened in your electorate, and so how are you 166 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: feeling in terms of, you know, what locals are saying 167 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: to you that a long term that are saying, I'm 168 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: not happy anymore. I'm not happy with the lay of 169 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: the land and what's going on. 170 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 4: Whenever I have a conversation with someone about community safety, 171 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 4: you know, you really listen to the experience that they've had, 172 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 4: and you know you've worked hard to help them make 173 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 4: sure they're not in that situation again. Whether it's somebody 174 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 4: who's gone into their home, or they're sick of dealing 175 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 4: with any social behavior, or they're concerned about some violent 176 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 4: crime that has happened. But again, what I'll say is 177 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 4: that we are tackling this from every angle possible and. 178 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 3: We're not going to slate though, isn't it, Nicole. I 179 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 3: mean the escalation in crime that we've all seen. Now 180 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 3: it started in Central Australia, it's now spread up to 181 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 3: the top end. It's all happened under your watch, your 182 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 3: government's watch. And it's all very well to be empathetic 183 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 3: and sympathetic and say that it's wrong, and we hear 184 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:06,359 Speaker 3: you do that and say that all of you regularly, 185 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 3: how terrible it is, how unacceptable it is. But under 186 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 3: your watch, Nicole, particularly you as the former Minister for Police, 187 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 3: you've been Deputy Chief Minister for seven years, you have 188 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 3: sat back on sitting on your hands, watching this escalation 189 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 3: of crime, particularly in Central Australia, to the point where 190 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 3: people are so miserable, so unhappy, so put upon by 191 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 3: the fact that they are not safe, and all you 192 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 3: can do is say that you're doing your best, and 193 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 3: it's how terrible it is when you alone, Nicole could 194 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 3: have made a big change five, six, seven years ago, 195 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 3: instead of pretending that you've been consistently working on it. 196 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 3: Because you haven't. You failed Territorians. And the only solution, Katie, 197 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 3: is to change the government next year in August, because 198 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 3: this mob cannot manage crime. 199 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 2: People are sick of the we're working on it, We're 200 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 2: going to fix it. They want action right now. They 201 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 2: need action today. They need to feel safe in your 202 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 2: community today. They don't need it. I'm going to do 203 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 2: it later. We're working on it. They need to be 204 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 2: reassured that their community say that they can take their 205 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 2: kids to school, they can go to the shopping without 206 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 2: seeing any social behavior, without becoming a victim of crime. 207 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 4: Well, I say, I take it very seriously. I deeply care, 208 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 4: and I'll tell you this every day I go to 209 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 4: work in this job. I give it my absolute all. 210 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 4: When I listen to any victim of crime, I take 211 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 4: that very personally. I don't ignore it. I don't sit 212 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 4: there and go at somebody else's problem. I take that 213 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 4: responsibility very very seriously. And that's why we've worked incredibly 214 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 4: hard since coming to government to look at the immediate 215 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 4: responses you need to put in but also how do 216 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 4: you actually change this, How do you change the issues 217 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 4: of the northern territory. We have seen a long time 218 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 4: that are frankly, they go directly to the issues of poverty, 219 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 4: They go directly to the issues of remoteness, of disadvantage 220 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 4: and a lack of decades. 221 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 3: Is that you guys came to government seven years ago 222 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 3: and haven't done enough to stop crime. That's the only 223 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 3: thing that's changed. We've had the poverty, We've had these 224 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 3: systemic problems for decades. I've been in Alice Springs for 225 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 3: thirty years now. Nothing's changed. It's always been there. What's 226 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 3: changed is your pathetic government not doing enough to jump 227 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 3: on it. 228 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: We're in a situation though, at the moment, hang on, 229 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: let me just let's just We're in a situation at 230 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: the moment where we where we have got the community 231 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: screaming out saying, you know, enough's enough. We've got the 232 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: government saying we are doing all of these different things, 233 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: and we are listening to what the community is saying, 234 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 1: and we're implementing, you know, changes systemically as well as 235 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: trying to work on things you know on the ground 236 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: right now. But the fact is, and I did say 237 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: this to the Chief Minister yesterday. The fact is we 238 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: have got people dying on the street. There is no 239 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 1: other way to put it. We have still got violent 240 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: crime that is happening on our streets now, we have 241 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: got cars being stolen. You know, you've got higher rates 242 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: of crime than what people have experienced before. And what 243 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: they are saying is that they've had enough now. The 244 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: government then, in turn, is going, all right, we've done 245 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: this review and we're looking at we're implementing this knife 246 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 1: crime strategy. But the changes that you are implementing and 247 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 1: the changes that you are announcing are not in line 248 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: with the community's expectations. So how do you balance now 249 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 1: as a government what you think is right and what 250 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: you think are the right steps to take when the 251 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: community is not on that path with you. They're not 252 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 1: on that journey, they're not happy with it. I don't 253 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: take it for granted. 254 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 4: Every day you know to being in government and the 255 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 4: hard work you need to keep doing, and that does 256 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 4: involve listening and taking action. Yes, we do have a 257 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 4: police review happening right now to make sure that they 258 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 4: have got the resources they need to do their very 259 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 4: important job. We have got our different agencies territory families 260 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 4: working through domestic violence prevention, because they've got to say, 261 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 4: the domestic violence rates are not good and that is 262 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 4: a cause of violence in the Northern Territory. So we're 263 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 4: looking at that from both ends. From again the preventative 264 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 4: end to that end when we know we're dealing with 265 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 4: serious DV offend is how do we actually stop them 266 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 4: from going out? Do you think you're in crime again? 267 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 3: Where have you gone wrong? Why has this all gone 268 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 3: to the pooh under your watch? 269 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 4: It's challenging the territory. No, No, let's be really clear. 270 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 4: We've given police more numbers, We've made sure they've got 271 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 4: more legislation. We've boosted budgets, budgets across the service delivery 272 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 4: agencies right across the board in terms of the agencies 273 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 4: that are there to whether it's build more remote housing, 274 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 4: you know, put more child protection workers in place, help 275 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 4: work with those families that are clearly off the rails 276 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 4: and having issues. And then again you know, right now, 277 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 4: I'll tell you this, we've put more into corrections as well. 278 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 4: Now against justice, So did we got to continue making 279 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 4: sure that we are investing. 280 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: Look is the situation here though now where the government 281 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: has gone, all right, this is what we are doing. 282 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: It's going to take time and and that's where we're at. 283 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 5: The community has to languish. 284 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 2: How it should be, you know right now the COLP, 285 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 2: for example, of trying to bring some tougher bail laws 286 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 2: and also to strengthen the two K laws that could 287 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 2: go into Parliament. We could do that immediately and that 288 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 2: would make a difference because we would stop that cycle 289 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 2: of offending. The bail would be tougher to get. Could 290 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 2: you start with resumption against bail the two K laws 291 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 2: which were warded down by the Labor government in twenty nineteen. 292 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 4: I things just to remind that people can tip out, 293 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 4: but that's all that's. 294 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 2: Actually you need to be able to move these people 295 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 2: on because they know that all you can do is 296 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 2: tip it out and they just continue to drinking. They 297 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 2: hide it in the tree around the corner. The cops 298 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 2: go and they come back. So the CELP would there's 299 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 2: two things you could do immediately. We could strengthen the 300 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 2: bail laws and we could do the two case stuff. 301 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 2: But I think there's more cops on the street because 302 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 2: Nicole said that there's more police. Their annual report last 303 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 2: year said there's thirty five less officers. So I'm not 304 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 2: sure who's telling the truth here, but the annual report 305 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 2: says is thirty five less officers. We always here a 306 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 2: Labour saying how there's more police, but yet you look 307 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 2: at the evidence, which is there annual reports there's a 308 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 2: thirty five less officers. 309 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 3: So I think under Labor you've created a culture of permissiveness. 310 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 3: You haven't jumped on crime. You haven't sent a universal 311 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 3: message out to each and every one of us in 312 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 3: the Northern Territory that crime is unacceptable. I think you've 313 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 3: done the opposite. I think you've allowed people to get 314 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 3: away with too much. And all the legislation now in 315 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 3: the world under your government is not going to make 316 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 3: any difference because it's an attitude, it's a culture of permissiveness, 317 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 3: and the fact that people know that there are very 318 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 3: little consequences for crime. 319 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 4: Well, I'd say that's absolute garbage. Make it very seriously. 320 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 4: Crime is, then, explain unacceptable. 321 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 3: Crime has escalated through. 322 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 4: The reef across the modern to the transparences of people 323 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 4: and incarceration. They get incarceira, Where do we. 324 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 5: Go from here? 325 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: This? You know, because I'm feeling like I'm feeling, I 326 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: don't know how to put it, like pretty disheartened, I 327 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: think right now, you know that's I think how a 328 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: lot of people are feeling as well, like pretty disheartened 329 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: because we're thinking to ourselves. You know, you're hearing all 330 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: the right things from the government, but nothing's actually changing 331 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: on the ground. So where do we go from here? 332 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 3: A change of government will mean a change of attitude, 333 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 3: a change of approach. Another four years of this government 334 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 3: in Alice Springs were finished, We're done for crime is 335 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 3: escalating again. We had a bit of a reprieve. It's 336 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 3: going through the roof again. Another four years of labor 337 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 3: and we will not have the town as we know it. 338 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 2: Darwin's community, a sick and tide of the government. Just 339 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 2: all hours, all words words were we need action, we 340 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 2: need action right now, and that's right across the. 341 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 3: Northern different approach. 342 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 4: I agree with different taking action. We will keep taking 343 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 4: action on the ground because crime is unacceptable and people 344 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 4: should be able to feel safe wherever they live. 345 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 3: Well, that's the great rehearse speech we hear just about 346 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 3: every time from you, Nicole, and what's changed. Things have 347 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 3: got worse platitudes don't work. 348 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: Are you, like, are you when you go into the 349 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: cabinet meetings and when you go into those caucus meetings, 350 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: I mean, are you expressing to your team as well 351 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: that what is happening is not enough. 352 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 4: We work together as a team to tackle those issues 353 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 4: of crime. To listen to within the cabinet, within the caucus. 354 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 4: I think what you've seen is that there is a 355 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 4: really united, strong, consistent team. 356 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: Nobody's actually standing up in there and going we've got 357 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 1: to change the way we're doing things. 358 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 5: We've actually got to step up. 359 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: Well, we're going to not only is you know a 360 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: thing's going to get worse, but we're going to lose. 361 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 5: At the election. 362 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 4: We have very serious conversations about crime and the strategies 363 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 4: we're put in place to tackle them. As a team, 364 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 4: we take it very seriously. 365 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 2: You're both the reviews come back with no action, you know, 366 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 2: the bail review, no bail changes, and also the Knifetime 367 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 2: Knife Time came with a lord. It's not getting tougher, 368 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 2: Robin said. It sends a message out there that there's 369 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 2: no consequences for crime. It's time to put the victims 370 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 2: first over the offender. 371 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 4: There are some pretty serious consequences for crime, and plenty 372 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 4: of people that are in castles. 373 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 5: VCLP throughout the week. 374 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 1: Well, the opposition leader did say that if required, they'll 375 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 1: build a bigger jail. 376 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 5: Is that something that means? 377 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 3: To look at the Alice Springs jails growing by about 378 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty beds. It's the only growth industry 379 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 3: in Alice Springs at the moment, the jail because the 380 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 3: demand can't the supply can't meet demand. 381 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 5: And again we're bursting at the scene. 382 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 4: Big industry, serious crimes, they face serious consequences for it 383 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 4: and they do go to jail. 384 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 5: Well, take a bit of a break. 385 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,479 Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty. 386 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: It is the week that was. 387 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 5: If you've just. 388 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: Joined us, We've got Nicole Madison, Robin Lamley and Jered 389 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: Maley in the studio with the This Morning. 390 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 3: Now. 391 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 1: We had a great announcement earlier this week, a major 392 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 1: boost for domestic tourism with Bonza revealing Darwin and Alice 393 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 1: Springs as the airline's newest destinations. So the airline's going 394 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: to add twelve new flights per week to the Northern 395 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: Territory from these three new routes, so the Sunshine Coast 396 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: to Darwin, the Gold Coast to Darwin, and Melbourne to 397 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: Alice Springs. Daniel Rochford threatened that he was going to 398 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: cartwheel down the Todd Mall in Budgy Smug. 399 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 4: Still got the opportunity for him to do that. 400 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 3: He was much for tourism. 401 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 5: He's a great guy. 402 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: But you know, I think the point is that people 403 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: are really happy that this has happened, especially when you 404 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: look at what's gone on with Quantus in recent weeks. 405 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: How we all feel as though we're being mistreated by 406 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 1: airlines in terms of being able to fly anywhere within 407 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: our own country. 408 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 5: So a good news story. 409 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, really happy that Bonza has come to the North Territory. 410 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 4: This has been a result of our Territory Aviation Attraction scheme. 411 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 4: There's been a huge amount of work and negotiation with 412 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 4: BONSA to get them here and we're really pleased. My 413 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 4: message to territorians is back in BONSA because they are 414 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 4: backing us. The two services going into the center are 415 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 4: really welcomed. I think everybody is delighted with the options 416 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 4: to go the Goldie or the Sunshine Coast, And I 417 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 4: mean I even had a look the other day myself 418 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 4: with just going you know what a return airfare cost 419 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 4: to take your whole family away, and you know that 420 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 4: could be for me. I was meant to go down 421 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 4: to Sydney last weekend to do the marathon, but that 422 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 4: never came through, and just to get the airfares down 423 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 4: there returned was about the same price to get my 424 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 4: whole family and I've got five in my family return 425 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,479 Speaker 4: to the Gold Coast on Bonza for me just to go, 426 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 4: you know, return to Sydney. So what I'll say is 427 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 4: that this is great for territorians, but we need territorians 428 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 4: to back them in. This is going to be great 429 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 4: for visitors, for tourists to come to the territory. We're 430 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 4: continuing to talk to other airlines to try to lock 431 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 4: some more in. But you know, the best way that 432 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 4: we can boost out our airline services and keep them 433 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 4: here is that BONSA are coming in and backing us in. 434 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 4: Everybody go booker tickets with BONSA, support them make sure 435 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 4: that we can keep arguing that there's a reason to 436 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 4: have the services here. I'm particularly thrilled this is how 437 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 4: good they are. They've come in at the end of 438 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 4: November and December in time for Christmas holidays, so people 439 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 4: will actually be able to get out and get to 440 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 4: other parts of the country or have family come visit them. 441 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: On Monday, I caught up with aviation expert Bruce Dale 442 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: and he had spoken to us about seasonality being an issue. 443 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 1: You know that we need to make sure that we've 444 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: got flights that are full right around the year. Otherwise 445 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: it you know, otherwise it makes it not so viable 446 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: for those airlines. Bonza did say that the aviation attraction 447 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 1: scheme had a big part to play for them in 448 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: terms of coming to the territory. 449 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 5: The big question though. 450 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: Is how long are they going to stay. You know, 451 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: we have seen over the years airlines come and go. 452 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: We get really excited. You know, you've got air Asia, 453 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: you got Selgear, you got whoever, and. 454 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 5: Then all of a sudden, oh they're out. 455 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 4: And again that's the message. If you don't book the tickets, 456 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:11,959 Speaker 4: we need to get on. We've got to need we 457 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 4: need to use these services. But make no mistake, aviation 458 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 4: is cutthroat, it is brutal. We've seen that the the 459 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 4: you know, the big players in Australian aviation are prioritizing 460 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 4: the Golden Triangle of Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane because that's 461 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 4: where they get the most profit flying just in between 462 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 4: those three places. You know, they see us, we're a 463 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 4: further ride. They have aircrew, you know, extra costs and 464 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 4: those types of things, and they look at fuel. But 465 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 4: I just think they've got an obligation to this nation 466 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 4: to actually make sure they are servicing regional remote parts 467 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 4: and that's something that they seem to be falling back on. 468 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 2: We need to make sure that our reputation is fixed 469 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 2: because people aren't going to come here for tours and 470 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 2: that's what we want. We want tourists to go down, 471 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 2: come up here and go had a great time and 472 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 2: fly up on these cheap flights. So this is where 473 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 2: crime comes back into it and any social behavior. We 474 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 2: need to make sure they are reputation is being fixed 475 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 2: and not damaged. Because you can say that the press 476 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 2: down south is damaged reputation, especially from the things happening 477 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 2: on in our of springs. We need to fix that 478 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,439 Speaker 2: and that's where the government need to pull the levers 479 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 2: to make sure that they fixed crime, which we've just 480 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 2: been speaking about, because without a reputation We're not going 481 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 2: to get bums on seats, and that's what those our 482 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 2: lines need. We need them to come up here. We 483 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 2: need people to come on those planes. And if we 484 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 2: don't have that attraction where people come up here and 485 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 2: see drunken behavior, get victims of crime, or don't have 486 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 2: a good experience in Northern Territory, they're not going to 487 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 2: come back. 488 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 5: We do have to make. 489 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 2: Sure that it's a positive experience and that basically lies 490 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 2: with the government to deal with the crime. Because people 491 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 2: come up here and walk down through the mall, through 492 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 2: cash arena and see any social behavior, they're going to 493 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 2: go and tell their friends don't go to the territory. 494 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 2: We need to make sure we've got bums on seats. 495 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,959 Speaker 2: So we need to fix our reputation which has been 496 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 2: badly damaged by the crime over the last seven years. 497 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 3: And tourism is down in Central Australia significantly mainly due 498 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 3: to crime. I think I'm in. The cost of living 499 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 3: is also a factor. It is good news the bonds 500 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 3: is coming in and out of Alice a couple of 501 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 3: times a week on the Alice Springs to Melbourne route. 502 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 3: That's good news. But I must have met I at 503 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 3: the time when I heard it, I thought, Gee, we 504 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,959 Speaker 3: get excited by such little things these days. You know, 505 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 3: we've set the bar so low that we almost wet 506 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 3: our pants when something fairly small like this happens. But 507 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 3: it is significant and thank you bonds and yeah. 508 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: So what is going to happen or what's going to 509 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: be the case when the funds run out from that 510 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: aviation attraction scheme? 511 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, the funds are well and truly not expended yet. 512 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 4: So we're still talking to other airlines and we're really 513 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 4: trying to increase the services. We're looking at international options 514 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 4: out of Darwin. We're also trying to get more options 515 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 4: into Alice Springs and into Yulara as well, particularly to 516 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 4: back in the tourism operators as well as the residents 517 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 4: there for that livability piece. So we're talking to them 518 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 4: quite actively. You know, we're trying something different here, Katie. 519 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 4: You know, we wanted to shake things up and this 520 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 4: is what it is about. So we've gone out there. 521 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 4: This has been our first success story and we're continuing 522 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 4: our other active conversations with other airlines right now. 523 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 2: We've had a few Tiger and Silka come and gone 524 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 2: because the money's run out, so and it goes back 525 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 2: to crime. I think no matter where you go in 526 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:22,479 Speaker 2: the churrochory. 527 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: But like I actually what I really want to say 528 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: is Quantus start looking after it a little bit better. 529 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: As you know, I think that needs to be a 530 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: huge part of the conversation. I know that you meet 531 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: with Quantus regularly, but with the new CEO coming in, 532 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: like Quantus really does need to get more serious about 533 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: looking after regional Australia. The way that they've treated Regional 534 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: Australia in recent years is absolute garbage. 535 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 4: And new leadership there at the head of Quantus gives 536 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 4: them the opportunity. Like we've met with Vanessa to her 537 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 4: opportunity to make her mark as the new chief executive. 538 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 4: Our conversations with her when she was up a couple 539 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 4: of months ago, we spent a fair bit of time 540 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 4: with her really putting the case towards you know why 541 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 4: Quantus need to be servicing the Northern Territory. But they're 542 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 4: going through a whole raft of change and issues at 543 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 4: the moment and a huge level of scrutiny. 544 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: There is plenty of Ozzie's asking as well, you know, 545 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: is it going to be that different when she was 546 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: the the what do you call it? Chief financial officer, 547 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: wasn't she again throughout the whole debarcle. 548 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 3: You can get more out of people when they're down 549 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 3: and out, So this. 550 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 5: Is the time to get in there. 551 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 3: It puts some pressure on them. Yeah, they're looking for 552 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 3: a good news story. 553 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 2: I don't know anyone else's traveled with their family and 554 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 2: their red eye flight. To get in the airport at 555 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 2: one thirty in the morning with your kids, it's just 556 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 2: absolutely horrible. It's a horrible experience and you get to 557 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 2: wherever you're can go the next day, and the next 558 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 2: day is basically get in the water as well because 559 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 2: the kids are screaming and you're tied. It's just those flights. 560 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 2: If we can, it's about the time, and we can. 561 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 3: Get that time. Alice Springs doesn't have an Alice Springs 562 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 3: to Perth direct flying anymore, which affects a huge number 563 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 3: of people now. 564 00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: Look. One of the other announcements that was made throughout 565 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 1: the week is the federal government have said that they're 566 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: delivering on their commitment to Darwin and Alice Springs residents 567 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 1: with the opening of these two medicare urgent care clinics. 568 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: So from the first of October, the Palmerston Urgent Urgent 569 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: Care Clinic is going to open at the GP Superclinic, 570 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: and in Alice Springs it's going to open well, it's 571 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: going to be operated by the Central Australia Aboriginal Congress 572 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: and it's going to open on the first of November. 573 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: Now this follows what has been unfortunately a difficult time 574 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: in terms of those code yellows that have been called 575 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: at Royal Darwin and indeed Palmerston Regional Hospital. 576 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 5: Robert. 577 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 1: I know that in Alice Springs there's been a lot 578 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: of pressure on the hospitals. 579 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 4: There as well. 580 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: I mean, are these I'm really hopeful that these urgent 581 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: care clinics do make a difference and that they do 582 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: actually mean that there's a bit of freeing up for 583 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: our staff at Royal Darwin, Alice Springs, whichever hospital you 584 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: go into in the territory where we know that they're 585 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: under a lot of stress. 586 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 3: I think this is good news. My only concern for 587 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 3: Alice Springs is that they've given them to Congress, which 588 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 3: is an Aboriginal organization. Aboriginal people can access free health 589 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 3: services at any time in Alice Springs. So this has 590 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 3: to be a service I think primarily for people who 591 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 3: are struggling who aren't Aboriginal in Alice Springs. So it 592 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 3: concerns me that an Aboriginal service is now running a mainstream. 593 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 5: Sert they'll be able to service everybody. 594 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 3: Well they should, but it's a consideration. I think they 595 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 3: could have probably chosen a more mainstream provider. 596 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 5: Yeah, right, so I guess time will tell. 597 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 3: I guess I mean we kind of go to Congress 598 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,959 Speaker 3: now for health services because it is an Aboriginal health service, 599 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 3: and so do you. I can't go there because I'm 600 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,479 Speaker 3: non Aboriginal. So now they've given that money to an 601 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 3: Aboriginal health service. 602 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 5: Look, and so will non Indigenous people be able to 603 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 5: go to that clinic? 604 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 3: Presumably, But people need to know that it's available to them, 605 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 3: unlike all the other Congress services. Look, it's just one 606 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 3: of those obstacles. It can be overcome, but it's a 607 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 3: perceptual thing. Congress is for Aboriginal people, so hopefully they'll 608 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 3: open the doors and advertise it. It's also for non 609 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 3: Aboriginal people. Is that the case utilized by everybody? 610 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 4: Yeah? My understanding is for everybody in the community of 611 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 4: Alice Springs. Clearly, Congress have got a lot of staff 612 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 4: and a lot of services and infrastructure available there, so 613 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 4: the FEDS have had a good look at it is 614 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,959 Speaker 4: the advice I received. They've determined Congress and then up 615 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 4: here the Palmerston super Clinic because we know that's a 616 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 4: really fantastic facility there. But again it's out there. It's 617 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 4: about trying to make sure that you know those presentations, 618 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,479 Speaker 4: and it's about half of them that don't need an 619 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 4: emergency department presentation that they go to see a GP, 620 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 4: hopefully get what they need and get on their way 621 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 4: rather than going into the ED. 622 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 2: Look, we're all spoken about these cod yla. I think 623 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 2: there's been like seven or eight code yellows across the 624 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:56,959 Speaker 2: Northern Territory in the last year. 625 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 5: I can't remember how many. 626 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 2: It's exactly multiple cor yellows. And I think we found 627 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 2: out this year in estimates that there was ten million 628 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 2: dollars spent at security at the hospitals this year in 629 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 2: relation to keeping the staff and keeping the patient safe. 630 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 2: So it goes back to that crime levels again. All 631 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 2: that money could have been going into a hospital system 632 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 2: because we know our hospital system is in crisis. The 633 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 2: co yellows tell us that you go there and the 634 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 2: waiting lists are horrific. You have to sit in the 635 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 2: ramping and these ambulances because this labor government have failed 636 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 2: the health system as well as a crime system. And 637 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 2: thank god that FED to come out to help us 638 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 2: out again. 639 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 4: So generally experience when you do end up in the 640 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 4: e eday is they're pretty bloody good and the staff 641 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 4: are phenomenal in daw. I haven't been through to Palmeston 642 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 4: though now. Look we're building a new mental health facility. 643 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 4: We're also building a new facility to put in new 644 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 4: beds at RDH. We've put online the Palmerston Regional Hospital too. 645 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 4: In our time and government, so we have increased capacity 646 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 4: significantly and continued investing in health. But GP services are 647 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 4: something that really matter to people out there in the 648 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 4: community being able to access them as easily as possible, 649 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 4: and so this is why this is important. It just 650 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 4: means people know that they can go in with confidence 651 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 4: to know that it will be all under medicare, especially 652 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 4: for those people who don't have much money. Because I 653 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 4: tell you what, I'm on a good wicket and when 654 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 4: I have to you know, go into the doctor and 655 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 4: you still fork out one hundred dollars to go see 656 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 4: a doctor. You know you can see if you've got 657 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 4: not much money, that's going to be a really difficult 658 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 4: thing for you to justify. So no wonder you end 659 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 4: up in the ed to go get some healthcare. 660 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 3: I just don't understand how Darwin, with two big hospitals 661 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 3: now is still not able to meet the demand. Well. 662 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: One of the things that always comes up for us, 663 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: and one of the things that we spoke to doctor 664 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: Robert Parker, the head of the AMA here in the 665 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,479 Speaker 1: territory about is the fact that we've got a number 666 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: of aged care patients that are needing those beds in 667 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: Royal Darwin Hospital because there's nowhere else for them to go. 668 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 4: He said that the reality of it is that we 669 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 4: could have. 670 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: One hundred bits come online and that's really what we need. 671 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: But also something that I know you guys have experienced 672 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: in Alice probably just as much, if not more so 673 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: than what we do here, is alcohol related harm and 674 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: alcohol related issues. There is no doubt that that has 675 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: a big impact in the Northern Territory. 676 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, without a doubt. To chronic health conditions as well 677 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 4: as presentations to the hospital. One thing with health services 678 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 4: is that you know they get filled. If you build them, 679 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 4: they will get filled because you know, people want to 680 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 4: make sure that they are taking care of people when 681 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 4: they present to them, and whether it's a GP or 682 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 4: they present to a hospital, that they are getting the 683 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 4: best possible care. You know, we're going to continue investing 684 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 4: in health That's something that we've always done. Will continue 685 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 4: to make sure that people get better services. And what 686 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 4: we can say is that they're certainly a lot better 687 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 4: than when we first came to government. 688 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 2: But just investing in health system is not good enough 689 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,239 Speaker 2: because the health system is in chaos. And I know 690 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 2: the government always say we've got our biggest health budget 691 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 2: ever and I started every year, but the facts are 692 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 2: that the health systems in crisis. We've had code yellow, 693 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 2: we've had people complaining, we've had we've got the security well, 694 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 2: I think what we've seen and the staff do a 695 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 2: great job and if they weren't there, it would be 696 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 2: in a world of hurt. 697 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: Look, we are going to take a very short break. 698 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one oh four nine's three sixty. 699 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: It is the week that was if you've just joined 700 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: us this morning. We've got gered Maylee, Robin Ladley and 701 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: Nicole Manison in the studio for the week. That was 702 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: now an announcement made yesterday by the Minister for Infrastructure, 703 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: Evil Lawler, the Territory Government's established the Building Compliance Task 704 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: Force to review and audit the certification status of all 705 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: buildings and building works. 706 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 5: On government owned land. 707 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:40,959 Speaker 4: Now. 708 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 1: The purpose of the task Force is to provide strategic 709 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: advice to the government on appropriate pathways to compliance with 710 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: the requirements of the Building Act of nineteen ninety three. 711 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: And the issue here is is that we've got a 712 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: number of buildings and building works on two hundred and 713 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: ninety eight specified land parcels pre dating self government have 714 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 1: been identified as not receiving occupancy certification upon completion of construction. 715 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 5: Now that is. 716 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: Something that we you know, every building needs, every premises needs, 717 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: and unfortunately we've got a situation where this well two 718 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 1: hundred and ninety eight nearly three. 719 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:24,720 Speaker 4: This is need. This this is a very longstanding historic issue, Katie, 720 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 4: as you can see that it's you know, some buildings 721 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 4: prior to self government. So Eva's gone out there she 722 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 4: wants to get this all sorted. The message to people 723 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 4: though is that these buildings are safe, like these are 724 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 4: safe places, so don't think they're going to fall in 725 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 4: under it like over your head. But we are working 726 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 4: through it and working to get that paperwork up to scratch. 727 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 4: And the other thing to point out is that you 728 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 4: know some of these buildings when they were put in place. 729 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 4: I mean we're talking about pre electronic records, computers and 730 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 4: so forth. So there is a lot of work to 731 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 4: do here and that's why she put the task force 732 00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 4: together to look at how we deal with this, to 733 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 4: give people this certainty, the surety that they know they 734 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 4: have occupancy certificates. 735 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 3: So this is an ongoing issue, yes, but it came 736 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 3: to a head a few years ago when the TiO 737 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 3: Stadium came under scrutiny when it was found that that 738 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 3: didn't meet the standards for certification. Look, this is it 739 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 3: is an ongoing issue, Nicole. But this Minister Eva Lawla 740 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 3: has sat on her hands for years and procrastinated over 741 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 3: how to deal with it. She's setting up a task force. 742 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 3: Look in any other jurisdiction in Australia, Minister Lawla should 743 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 3: resign with her head on her chest. An embarrassment for 744 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 3: her lack of action and her lack of real initiative 745 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 3: in trying to address this issue. 746 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 4: Outrageous government. I think if you go talk to action, 747 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 4: go talk to the builders out there, go talk to 748 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,359 Speaker 4: people who build infrastructure in the Northern Territory. That's say, 749 00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 4: they're pretty happy with Eva the builder, but. 750 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: I think they probably be thinking that this is a 751 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 1: bit hypocritical when they've got to build something and got 752 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 1: to have those occupancy certificates, but then there's you know, 753 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 1: then there's government buildings that don't. 754 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 3: And toa stadium was the problems there were just pushed 755 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,320 Speaker 3: under the carpet time and time again. 756 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 2: And remember this labor government. You know it's not this 757 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 2: l but the labor government had been in powerful like 758 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 2: seventeen or eighty years out of the last twenty one 759 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 2: or twenty two years if you go back through the 760 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 2: history books. So a lot of these buildings that have 761 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 2: actually been built under Labour's watch and yet. 762 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 5: A lot of them built under the colps. 763 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 2: Well, I'm just going to say that then, so this 764 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 2: had seventeen years to fix the problem, and I agree 765 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 2: with Robin, and they're just seemed to sat on the 766 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 2: hands and too is and issues. We need to make 767 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 2: sure that the territories are safe. And again there's thousands 768 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 2: of people that coo and there's a fire. 769 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 3: Or timeframes are you going to use, Minister Lawla, when 770 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 3: are you going to get this work done? What sort 771 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 3: of time frames are you working on? This is what's 772 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,799 Speaker 3: your commitment a task force? Is that really good enough? 773 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 4: No? You see the works well and truly under the way, 774 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 4: and you know EVA has been working very hard on 775 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 4: this issue, and you know, if there's any that will 776 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,720 Speaker 4: resolve it, it's evil Lawla. Let me tell you. 777 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:04,319 Speaker 3: That remains to be seen. 778 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,319 Speaker 1: I mean, is there sort of is there a time 779 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: frame though when you talk about this work actually being done? 780 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,800 Speaker 1: And the biggest question I think is are these different 781 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:13,439 Speaker 1: buildings safe? 782 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 5: Clearly territorians to still be Yes. 783 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,280 Speaker 4: The advice I've had is yes, And they're clearly working 784 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,319 Speaker 4: through a pathway to get them to occupant CE certificates. 785 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 4: But again, remember we're talking about hundreds of long standing 786 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 4: buildings here. 787 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,799 Speaker 3: Go back to the TiO Stadium. It was the firees 788 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 3: that said that there wasn't enough water pressure in the 789 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 3: hydrants to put out a fire if a fire occurred. 790 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 3: Within Too stadium. It was the fireries that said that 791 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 3: it's unsatisfactory and unsafe. Yet Minister Lawla decided that it 792 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 3: was fine. She overrode all the advice carry on as 793 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 3: usually as one of. 794 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,799 Speaker 4: The most professional ministers you'll ever meet, who gets as 795 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 4: fir and she's bloody impressive. And I just know that 796 00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,800 Speaker 4: she would have taken this very seriously in terms of 797 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 4: the decision making. And she's rolling up her sleeves and. 798 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 5: She's setting up the task for getting advice. 799 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,319 Speaker 2: We had advice that the shade struck. You have those 800 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 2: vines over one year and has been years. So some 801 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 2: of the advice given to the government is either not 802 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 2: correct or not active on. We're working on advice. Well, 803 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 2: clearly the advice could be wrong or is wrong, especially using. 804 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 4: The shape that. 805 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:28,239 Speaker 2: Criss cross. 806 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,359 Speaker 5: Oh dear, we'll take a bit of a break. 807 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 1: You are listening to mix one O four nine's three 808 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 1: six did is the week that was well. One of 809 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,759 Speaker 1: the other stories that made news headlines this week was 810 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: indeed the Yes campaign distancing itself from protesters who'd hurled 811 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 1: abuse at people attending a No event on Monday in 812 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: South Australia. So over a thousand people attended the event 813 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 1: to hear from Shadow Minister for Indigenous Australians just Enter 814 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,319 Speaker 1: Price and as well as that Warren Mundine, now the 815 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 1: Prime Minister at the Alban Easiest called for respectful debate 816 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,799 Speaker 1: in the lead up to the Voice to Parliament referendum. 817 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,799 Speaker 1: But I tell you what, you know, some of what 818 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,359 Speaker 1: was being yelled at out outside of this of this 819 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,399 Speaker 1: event was woeful, like you were saying, you know, they were, 820 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 1: they were really being pretty vile. I think you'd have 821 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 1: to say calling you know, like I can't even some 822 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 1: of it I can't say. But you know, if you 823 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:29,360 Speaker 1: your racist dog, racist pig, that kind of thing and 824 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 1: not a true reflection I don't think of of people. 825 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 4: That are Yes on the Yes campaign. 826 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 1: These people looked like they were absolutely nuts, if I'm honest. 827 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 4: And again, we live in a democracy, and a great 828 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 4: thing about living in a democracy is that you know, 829 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,319 Speaker 4: we can have these debates and you can go in 830 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,319 Speaker 4: to look at amending the Constitution. But I'd say to 831 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 4: anybody involved as yeah, by all means, go out and 832 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,359 Speaker 4: campaign for your campaign, if it's yes or if it's no. 833 00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 4: I'll be supporting the Yes campaign I'm happy to put 834 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 4: that on the re good, but do it respectfully. Treat 835 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 4: people with respect, you know, don't go and abuse people 836 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 4: just because they don't have the same beliefs as you. 837 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:10,880 Speaker 4: There is no excuse for that. 838 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:15,320 Speaker 3: This happens in parliament. To Nicole, you know, your side 839 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 3: of politics in Parliament in recent times has pretty much 840 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 3: accused the CLP of all sorts of things for not 841 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 3: supporting the Voice, not in a in a sort of 842 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:33,279 Speaker 3: swearing and completely derogatory manner, but pretty much asserting that 843 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,480 Speaker 3: that the CLP erasist for not supporting the Voice. So 844 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,720 Speaker 3: it's a bit rich to sort of change a tune. 845 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,360 Speaker 4: I think, you know, as parliamentarians in the Anti Parliament 846 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,880 Speaker 4: with the largest proportion of Aboriginal people in the Northern 847 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,440 Speaker 4: in the Northern territory in this country, that you know, 848 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,920 Speaker 4: we should be supporting the Voice because it's going to 849 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,799 Speaker 4: give Aboriginal people a greater say on their future and 850 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:55,880 Speaker 4: I think we'll lead to better. 851 00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,319 Speaker 2: Outcomes about the Voice when it's going to be I'm 852 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 2: talking about the actual protest. People should be able to 853 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 2: go there and have your say. You should be able 854 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,279 Speaker 2: to walk down the street if you want to wear 855 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 2: a yes shirt or no shirt by all means without 856 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 2: having to get someone coming to us. I just don't 857 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 2: think the average Australian accepts it. And I just think 858 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,720 Speaker 2: what happened, whether the yes or no is that acceptable. 859 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 2: And we need to be able to go out there. 860 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,440 Speaker 2: We're not overseas where there's some sort of dictatorship. Were 861 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,719 Speaker 2: are a democracy. You should be able to go and 862 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,040 Speaker 2: there's no place in Australia to for those sort of 863 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 2: people either side or whatever you're talking about. 864 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 3: It. It's pretty sad that we've come to this point 865 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 3: where we're divided over race. That is sad. I mean 866 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,880 Speaker 3: I intend to vote yes because I want to support 867 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 3: my fellow Aboriginal Territorians. I have no intention of insulting 868 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 3: them or not backing them. But I absolutely respect anyone 869 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 3: who votes differently from that for any reason, and they 870 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:51,040 Speaker 3: should be left alone. 871 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 5: And this is the thing. It's an individual choice, isn't it. 872 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,279 Speaker 1: That is the thing about a referendum is it comes 873 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 1: down to an individual and the way that you want 874 00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,359 Speaker 1: to vote. But hurling insults at each other or not 875 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,080 Speaker 1: being able to respectful discussion about it's pretty pretty gross. 876 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,360 Speaker 4: And it's not just I've got to say, you know, 877 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 4: this referendument stands for like you know, I've seen other 878 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,319 Speaker 4: type of protest behavior, particularly around resources. Should have seen 879 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,160 Speaker 4: some of the behavior of the people Resources week when 880 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,600 Speaker 4: we had our opening ceremony and some of the things, 881 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,920 Speaker 4: some of the protests out the front, some of them 882 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,279 Speaker 4: were you know, I'm like, here we are at our 883 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 4: resources mining, gas, carbon capture storage, environmental management, and we 884 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 4: had protesters out the front hurling abuse at people just 885 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:31,839 Speaker 4: trying to walk into a function. And some of that, 886 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 4: unfortunately was racist abuse. 887 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:35,840 Speaker 2: Yeah right, She's just not acceptable. 888 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,960 Speaker 1: It's not And you know, I always think to myself 889 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 1: when you talk about protests in that way, and and 890 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,799 Speaker 1: you know, some of what we have seen is we've 891 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 1: had some protests that have been incredibly respectful. 892 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:47,920 Speaker 2: You know. 893 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,759 Speaker 1: Even the one where we I think we've had the 894 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:54,160 Speaker 1: biggest turnout was the one about crime outside Parliament House 895 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 1: and that was respectful. You know, people were actually really 896 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 1: respectful of one another. We didn't hear issues like this, 897 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,400 Speaker 1: We didn't hear people swearing at one another or anything 898 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,719 Speaker 1: like that. It was a respectful discussion that was had. 899 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 1: But when you hear people hurling abuse they're being pretty 900 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:13,080 Speaker 1: foul about it. It's not acceptable, but it's also how 901 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:14,880 Speaker 1: do you think you're going to take people along on 902 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,520 Speaker 1: the journey with you? And how do you think you're 903 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,560 Speaker 1: going to change anybody's mind by swearing at them all 904 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:20,600 Speaker 1: by having a crack. 905 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,759 Speaker 3: At them, Katie, I think this referendum has failed in 906 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 3: a big way because it means that calling someone a 907 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:31,400 Speaker 3: racist is almost acceptable now and I've never found it acceptable. 908 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,000 Speaker 3: I've been called a racist since the first day I 909 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,400 Speaker 3: came to Parliament. Rod Knight, the former Member for Daily, 910 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:43,360 Speaker 3: in my maiden speech yield out racist across the chamber 911 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,120 Speaker 3: and I'll never forget that. And since then I've been 912 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,640 Speaker 3: called a racist many times by Labor members. So this 913 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,239 Speaker 3: is a game that labor play often and I don't 914 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,840 Speaker 3: accept that at all. I think being called a racist 915 00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:00,640 Speaker 3: is a huge insult and it's very device and it's 916 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,279 Speaker 3: meant to it's the purpose is to shut people down. 917 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,600 Speaker 1: Well, it's the last thing we want in the country 918 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,799 Speaker 1: right now. It goes against what the federal government is 919 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,200 Speaker 1: actually trying to do. 920 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:11,799 Speaker 4: You know. 921 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,240 Speaker 5: It means that people are becoming more divided, but we are. 922 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,640 Speaker 3: Trying to do I have no idea Katie anymore. I mean, 923 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,920 Speaker 3: you know, you've got the labor, Federal Labor and all 924 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,200 Speaker 3: the federal factions pushing the yes vote with the underlying 925 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,280 Speaker 3: message being if you vote, know you're a racist. That's 926 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,760 Speaker 3: the message that we're all getting loudly and clearly. It's terrible. 927 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,520 Speaker 1: Well, we are going to have to wrap up for 928 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,719 Speaker 1: the morning. It's always busy in here. There's never any 929 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,879 Speaker 1: shortage of things to talk about, that is for sure. 930 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,520 Speaker 1: Jered Maley from the COLP, the Deputy Opposition Leader, thank 931 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:45,239 Speaker 1: you for your time. 932 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:46,279 Speaker 2: Thank you, thanks a lot. 933 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,200 Speaker 5: Robin Lamley, the Independent member for Ara Lawn, thank you 934 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:49,759 Speaker 5: for your time. 935 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,359 Speaker 3: Pleasure Katie. Have you here? 936 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,359 Speaker 1: From Alice Nicole Madison, the Deputy Chief Minister, thank you 937 00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:56,000 Speaker 1: for your time. 938 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,440 Speaker 4: Thank you. And can I say to the Islamic Society 939 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,880 Speaker 4: of Darwin looking forward to your fiftieth jubilee and the 940 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,440 Speaker 4: Dal Malayley Association looking forward to a big on armed 941 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:06,800 Speaker 4: celebration over the weekend. 942 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,239 Speaker 1: And to the kids of the territory. I know they're 943 00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 1: probably not listening this morning, but school holda is