WEBVTT - The Sit-Down with Pat Cash 0:00:02.360 --> 0:00:04.960 Hi everyone, and welcome to another episode of The sit Down. 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:07.720 I'm Matt Trolo, a writer from oz open dot Com, and. 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:10.959 I'm Brie Stewart, head of Content Strategy and Operations at 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:12.000 Tennis Australia. 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:14.240 And Brie, why are we sitting down with Pat Cash 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:14.720 this week? 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:18.840 Well, viv Christie, who is generally here with Matt, is 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:23.920 currently in Wimbledon. Lucky duck, and why not sit down 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:28.520 on someone like Pac Cash given his illustrious career. He's 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:32.320 a very, very important Aussie in the tennis world and 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:34.159 she was really lucky to get to sit. 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:34.760 Down with him. 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:37.720 Yeah, let's hear what the nineteen eighty seven Wimbledon champion 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:41.120 had to say. 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:45.920 Pat, thank you for joining us from a very wet 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:49.640 and somewhat cold Wimbledon. But if I remember correctly, the 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:52.040 sun was shining in nineteen eighty seven when you won 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:55.000 the men's title. What's it like to return to the 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:56.400 All England Club as a champion? 0:00:57.600 --> 0:00:59.959 Well, it's a great privilege. I mean, I'm lucky. I've 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:02.720 lived in London, so I have the opportunity to come 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:05.039 back when I like. One of the benefits of winning 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:08.920 the title is you become a member and they often joke, 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:11.560 but I think there is some some some reality in 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:14.800 it that the easiest way for an Australian or foreigner 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:16.600 to get a membership is to win the championship. 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:19.640 So it's it's a bit. 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:21.319 Tongue in cheek, but but it is a very very 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:24.080 exclusive club. But it's a really nice club. It's it's 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:26.520 it's actually not old and as snobby is you know, 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:30.480 I certainly when I first came came here, but it's 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:33.880 you know, and they the clubs has tried to be, 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:37.520 you know, in the forefront of tennis and and and 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:39.320 and changes of tennis because they were they were the 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:42.240 first Slam to invite the pro players back in the 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:44.800 back in the day, Ken Rosell and Labor and these 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:47.600 guys to come and play a tournament. And they said, well, 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:50.000 yeah we're going to have a pros So the first 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:52.040 you wouldn't believe it will Wimbledon. Wall Clubs were the 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:54.920 first ones that say, yeah, we'll welcome the professional players. 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:57.440 So they're always trying to be ahead of the game. 0:01:58.160 --> 0:01:59.800 I'm not as excited as I used to be because 0:01:59.840 --> 0:02:02.640 I can come here quite regularly, but I'm always very 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:05.080 very proud to show friends or guests, you know, around 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:06.960 the trophy room and say, hey, my name's on that. 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:11.720 And and in a weird, a very weird way. A 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:14.040 few years ago when Andy Murray went He's second title, 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:16.880 and I went into the locker room afterwards as a memory, 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:18.239 not allowed in the locker room money if you're a 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:20.760 coach or a player. So but they let me in 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:22.760 the locker room. And then there there was the trophy 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:25.960 and I saw Murray that was just sitting there, and 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:28.160 I was having a chat with Yvonne Lendel and his 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:32.040 wife were their Samantha, and and I looked, I just 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:33.720 looked at the trophy, but for some reason, I didn't 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:34.400 look for my name. 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:35.520 I didn't know what. Then. 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:37.400 That's strange because afterwards somebody said, oh, was your name 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:39.320 is still on the ise? Like I didn't even look. 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:43.160 I assumed it is, So I'm hoping it's still on there. 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:45.720 Do you come here often outside tournament time? 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:47.919 Yeah? I do often enough. 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:50.320 I mean I've been coaching on the on the on 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:52.080 and off the tour for the last or ten years, 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:54.520 eight ten years, and so when I'm off the road 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:56.600 and I want to have it here to tennis. I 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:58.880 live not too far away from Queen's Club, so that's 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:03.200 usually been my preferred one. But they and the indoor 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:06.799 courts he were very, very average until they built a 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:09.600 beautiful new center a couple of years ago. So now 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:11.080 I try and come here as often as they can. 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:12.960 And there's a lot of good players, a lot of experts, 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:18.040 Brick brit members, Davis Cup players and fed Cup, Billy 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:20.560 Jean King Cup players here, so there's actually quite a 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:22.760 lot of good players at the club, you know, and 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:26.920 then there's amateurs of course, and so I do get 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:30.760 to I do get to come when I want and 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:33.720 which which is which is great. But it's always a 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:36.040 very exciting of course when the when the tournament's on, 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:38.680 because the rest of you know, for eleven months a 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:41.960 year it's dead quiet. So you walk around here and 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.320 you see the tours coming through and that's about it. 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:47.040 And obviously, you know, one thing that changed for you 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:49.320 is that you become a member of the All England Club. 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:51.560 But what else changed for you when you became a 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:52.440 WINM Wooden champion. 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:56.520 Well, I suppose at the time I didn't think anything 0:03:56.840 --> 0:04:00.160 was going to change, but it seemed to be that 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:03.160 I didn't really change, but every everybody else around me 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:06.480 did so to speak, so there's a lot of stuff 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:09.200 going around. I was still a father, I'll soon to 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:12.640 be ill, soon to be a father of two. Not 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:17.159 that long after the championship. For the next year before 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:18.200 I played the defended. 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:20.400 It was another one on. 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:23.720 The way and it was so yeah, that was my 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:27.120 that and my career with my priorities. But I did 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:30.719 feel a lot of a lot of pressure, external pressure, 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:33.520 and no one put more pressure on me than myself. 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:35.039 I mean, that was that was I think. For the 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:38.000 worst thing is I thought, okay, one I won Wimbledon, 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:41.640 and reflecting back on it, it was one of the 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.039 weirdest things ever. When I came in the locker room 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:47.080 and I finally got to have a good chat with 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:49.400 the team. Obviously I climbed up the stands and gave 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:52.760 him a quick hug, but you know, I had had 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:55.560 a good and one of the first things I said 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:57.840 I was with myort psychologist, Jeff Bond, who was from 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:01.520 the AIS and he he was over there and Ian Barclay, 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:03.600 of course, my coach, and one of the first things 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:05.280 I said was let's go and win the US Open. 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:08.279 And they just sort of looked at me with this 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:13.359 blank look and. 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:13.120 Uh and and I thought, yeah, come on, you know, 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:13.800 I want to win. 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:16.280 And it was like mate, they almost basically they look 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:18.520 at I only reflected on it later. It was that 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:20.159 they kind of looked at me and went, mate, you 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:21.760 just want Wimbledon. Why do you enjoy it? 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:25.080 You know? And it was and it's and I just 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:25.839 for some reason. 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:27.520 I mean, of course I enjoyed it at the moment, 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:29.960 but I was I was always And that's what I 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:34.680 suppose high achievers or perfectionists have. They're always looking for 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:37.039 something else and looking for another. And I thought I 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:39.159 was very weird. And and I've heard I heard this 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:43.160 a lot from in interviews from other some gold medalists 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:46.479 and other champions there, and it's it's very hard to 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:48.680 sort of enjoy the enjoy the moment. And I think 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:52.000 hopefully players have learned from our mistakes. But you know, 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:55.599 it was, it was such a so much. It's so disturbing. 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:58.400 I think to me, that and the way that that 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:00.960 I put stress on myself and every every single tournament 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:02.599 that I ended up getting a tattoo on my arm, 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:05.200 which was just about smelling the roses. I forgot a 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:09.400 rose on my tattoo on my arm saying this too, 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:13.880 shell pass, which means that the bad will pass, but 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:16.279 the good will pass, So enjoy it. Smell the roses. 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:18.359 So that's a constant reminder. It's on my arm and 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:20.600 I have to look at it. And to this day 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:23.440 I have a ritual where if I see a rose bush, 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:24.880 doesn't matter what I'm doing, if I'm going for a 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:27.240 jog or whatever, I will, i will stop and I'll smell, 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:28.920 smell the roses, just to have a couple of minute 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:31.760 seconds to go, you know what, trying to enjoy this 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:34.680 and I do now, I really do. I've changed, but 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:37.680 at the time, you know, there was the pressure, the 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:42.680 expectations on myself and certainly everybody else changed. I hadn't changed, 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:46.280 always put presure on myself, but I put more pressure, 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:48.480 to say, and I think that also the fact that 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:50.720 people were saying, oh, you know, Boris Becker went out 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:52.919 early and you didn't beat Boris. I heard that a 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:55.119 couple of a couple of times and got the guys 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:57.839 Peter doing he's a good mate of mind, but he 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:00.200 was giving me a he beat Boris Becker's ass. The 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:01.920 away he's a good mate of mine, but he needs 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:03.760 to say stuff like that, hey, image, how much percentage 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:05.560 of the prize when you're going to give me for beating Boris? 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.239 And you know, and I sort of kind of laughed 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:08.560 about that. 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:11.440 I go, well, you know, and I thought, so I 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:14.360 actually I played him in the Sydney Indoors that and 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:15.680 that was that was a big match for me to 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:17.560 beat him. And I beat him in that and in 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:19.520 a way, and I remember going to the press conference 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:21.040 and saying, yeah, I've done it. You know, I've showed 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:23.680 people that that you know, I can beat anybody. And 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:25.200 they sort of looked at me and go, yeah, we 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:27.520 kind of knew that. But for me, I was that 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:30.000 was important. And so, you know, there was a couple 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:31.840 of things I wanted to tick off my tick off 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:36.360 my list, and you know, obviously proving to myself that 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:38.240 that I was, you know, I could have beaten Boris. 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:42.920 You know, he was obviously two time champion, and you know, 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:45.040 going on to try and win another Grand Slam, which 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:49.480 I didn't quite get done in obviously in Australia and 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:50.400 or elsewhere. 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:53.480 Was there ever a moment where you sort of stopped 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:56.080 and really appreciated that you'd become a Wimbledon champion. 0:07:56.680 --> 0:08:02.200 Every day pretty much now every day I still pinch myself. 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:04.280 I mean today I've just gone in and talked to 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:08.280 some some you know, corporate guests and and you know, 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:10.239 I can't believe it. And I said to my manager 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:13.440 yesterday I said, I said, I thank god I wont Wimbledon. 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:14.080 You know, it's just. 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:20.200 It's it's it's something, he said, Mate, You've done something 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:23.160 that it's it's near impossible to do. You know, people 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:26.160 admire that. You know, you might see your normal person, 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.000 but you're actually not. You're actually a bit of a 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:30.320 freak because you won Wimbledon. And I'm like, I'm not 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:32.080 really you know, if there's a little of other people, 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:33.880 he said, well, not really. I don't know how many 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:36.599 men of one thirty or forty, not many in the 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:40.160 whole history of the sport of one Wimbledon. 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.160 So yeah, I think, wow. 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:45.840 Yeah, So every once in a while I need reminding. 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:49.320 But basically, you know, pretty much, you know, I'm reminded daily. 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:54.200 But you know, I don't take it for granted. But yeah, 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:56.680 I think I'm a very very normal person. You know, 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:59.319 I don't I don't go around showing my members badge 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:00.000 or any of that stuff. 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:00.480 You know. 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:03.440 That's that's not what it's about. It's the fact that 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:05.400 I did it. I've done it, and I didn't look 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:08.960 at the name on the trophy, you know, and that's 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:10.319 that's not important to him. 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:12.720 I didn't even know where my replica trophy is. Yeah, 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:15.520 you still don't know. I still don't know. I think 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:18.080 it's a key, right, but I'm not sure. I walked past. 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:21.640 I've been a key for the the tournament there, the 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:23.520 lead up tournament, past it about twenty times and never 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:26.640 stopped to look. Maybe I think it is, but that's 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:27.400 not important to me. 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:27.760 You know. 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:30.400 I know the people when borg is saying he's going 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:33.680 to sell one of his trophies and everybody hysterical, but 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:35.640 Mac and no, no, no, we come on, we're gonna, 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:37.520 we're gonna. We're gonna buy it for your Borgie so 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:39.880 you can keep it. And he was like, and I 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:41.880 kind of got it. I said, it's only trophy. I mean, 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:44.719 it's nice, but it's nice to have. But he's got 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:45.240 he got. 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:46.959 Five beyond that. I'm not going to give mine one away, 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:48.960 but I'm not. But I'm not. You know, I'm not 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:51.320 overly concerned about that sort of stuff. 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:54.199 And what about your headband. You were famous for your headband. 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:56.079 Do you have any of your head bands from. 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:56.960 I've got my head I have. 0:09:57.040 --> 0:10:00.000 I got headbands in here because everybody seems everybody seems 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:05.719 to want one somewhere, and usually I mean I give 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:07.920 him out. I've never sold any. So my head band 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:10.040 was just about having a bit of fun and doing 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:13.520 a bit of rock and roll and tribute and Cheap Trick, 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:15.240 who were my favorite band and still one of my 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:18.839 favorite bands. And you know, just this morning, actually I 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:21.600 love still playing guitar, and I played a bit of 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:27.080 little little band around London, and I put my guitar 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:29.920 off a bit of practice because I got a gig 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:32.720 at the end of the tournament, and I had my 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:35.360 Rick Nielsen guitar strap which he gave me, who's the 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:38.040 guitarist from Cheap Trick, which I got the inspiration for 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:38.720 the check headband. 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:41.199 He gave me. He presented me his guitar. 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:43.400 Strap, which is basically it looks exactly that my head man, 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:46.080 which is the whole point, and I strapped it on today. 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:48.160 Every time I picked that up. Agay that's bloody cool. 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:51.160 The other way that you brought your individual touch to 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:54.640 Imbuden was, of course climbing up into the stands. Are 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:56.520 you proud of that legacy when you see the players 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:57.040 doing it now? 0:10:57.640 --> 0:10:59.800 I am. I actually am very proud, and. 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:03.880 It's I think it's a It was a natural sort 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:08.319 of reaction, but because of the stuffiness of tennis or whatever, 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:11.200 that nobody had done it or been stupid enough to 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:12.840 do it, and I was stupid enough to do it 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:14.960 and get myself in a little bit of trouble, but 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:17.240 nothing I couldn't handle, but a bit of a slap 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:19.080 on the wrist from the club to not do that again, 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:20.439 and you kept the royal family waiting. 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:22.800 Blah blah blah. Nothing too dramatic. 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:24.559 But it's a natural sort of thing to want to 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:27.120 share it with your team and and for me, that 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:30.760 was the team that I had was was really the first, 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:33.280 the first team in in tennis. 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:34.600 You know. 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:36.400 Now you look at the box and you see you know, 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:39.320 physios and trainers and coaches and assistant coaches and tech 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:42.280 people and whatever strings strings and. 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:48.280 As John McEnroe's walking path, amac, where are you going? 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:52.840 I had to talk to you in a minute. 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:58.120 You're busy, Okay, all right, I'll see I'll catch you. 0:11:58.840 --> 0:11:59.959 He's playing a gig as well at the end of 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:02.800 I want to know what songs he's playing. 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:03.640 Sorry. 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:07.160 Yeah, So it was it was a moment in my 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:10.320 career where where it was suggested to me, and I 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:14.040 accepted from wiser people than me, that I needed some 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:18.040 sports psychology help. I don't think I really lost any 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:21.720 matches because I because of my temper or going off, 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:25.600 but I could be I certainly could have been better. 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:29.480 And and of course i'd been injured, and you know 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:33.040 it was a year off with a back injury, and 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:36.319 I was a young father, so you know, there was 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:37.640 a whole lot of There was quite a few things 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:39.880 going on, so much like a business or whatever. 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:40.920 I brought in the consultants. 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:44.320 There were specialists, and you know that was the physio 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:47.600 and then the trainer. You know David Zuker there, who's 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:55.160 the Olympic physio, Jeff Bond who was the Olympic sports psychologists, 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:58.880 had doctor round Quinn who's my lifelong friend, and you know, 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:01.160 the best training there was. I was very, very lucky. 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:03.880 You need a bit of luck. Of course, had super 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:06.760 lucky to get get her and she was. She was 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:10.559 amazing for me, got me fitter than any player, faster 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:14.600 than any play, cutting edge training, she had you and supplements, 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:16.880 all that sort of stuff which I wasn't wasn't known. 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:19.280 And then and of course Barker is my coach who 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:23.200 has been there from almost day one. So we had 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:25.040 a great We had a great team. And actually a 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:27.240 more orthopedic surgeon there he was in the back. He 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:30.120 got him some tickets as well. He was more coming 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:33.080 over for a holiday. But so I had had this 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:35.680 team and and for me it was very special. It 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.400 was important for me to share that that that with them. 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:40.480 And of course my father was up there and and 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:43.760 my partner, the mother, and my my my. 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:45.280 Son, and. 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:49.280 I don't know, it just didn't feel right to be 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:51.600 back on the court alone by so I made up 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:54.120 my mind to do it the night before, but didn't 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:57.960 think much about it. And then afterwards, you know, I 0:13:58.040 --> 0:13:59.840 sort of so much in the moment and I was 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:03.199 look looking up to them and going, they're so far away. 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:04.800 This just doesn't feel right. 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:07.400 And so that's when I made the decision to go, 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:10.360 and I eventually made it. That wasn't very very elegant 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:12.800 by any means, and almost it almost became the most 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:14.880 embarrassing moment in my life from one of the best 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:17.960 moments in my life about a minute earlier. So I 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:20.000 couldn't get couldn't get find my way up there. But 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:23.960 I eventually did it, and and you know, the rest 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:26.320 is history. But you know, I'm glad they're cleared a 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:29.120 pathway for the players to see their teams. 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:32.120 Well, you created lots of kind of injuring memories. I 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:35.040 always remember you had such a special bond with your 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:38.000 coach in Barclay, that was such a long relationship. 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:40.880 Yeah, and I and still here comes every year we 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:43.000 can and you know, when none of us are getting 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:45.840 any younger. So it's great, great to see him at 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:48.960 dinner with him the other day and a at a 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:51.560 good great chat with him. He's still on top of 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:54.400 the tennis. And he lived in England for a while, 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:56.680 so he coached quite a lot of the players who 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.120 now have now become coaches. So he ends up running 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:03.400 into the coach of Jack Draper and and others. But yeah, 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:06.320 it's and he doesn't he looks the same, because he 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:09.040 looked he had gray hair and a gray mustache. Back 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:11.960 then when he was only forty and uh now he's 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:13.560 got the same he's got slightly less hair, but he 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:15.480 looks exactly the same. People look at you look exactly 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:18.320 the same, and he does. He's a bit slower, of course. 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:20.080 Yeah. 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:22.720 I mean Ian was my second father and his son 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:25.360 was my best best buddies and you know with mad 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:27.920 Hawthorne supporters, so he always had some fun. 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:29.280 We had a lot of success with the Hawks at 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:31.000 that that time of the of. 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:36.120 Yeah, the eighties, and you know we were just yeah, 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:38.040 he was like my like my dad and my dad 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:39.520 used to get on the phone and my dad was 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:44.920 almost almost the I don't know, the the person who 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:48.160 sort of you know, kept on He did the some 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:50.720 finance and he was a lawyer and so he kept 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:54.760 an eye on that with along with IMG Management Group. 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:57.440 So we had a I thought we had a bloody 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:00.440 good team which was really modern modern, very modern version 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:03.000 or the very modern version back then. 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:09.000 And in that campaign you beat Paul McNamee Jimmy Connors 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:12.920 of Van Landell. What do you remember from the tennis itself. 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:14.840 Well, I remember that all of a sudden, the weather 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:18.200 came from this sort of weather miserably cold for weeks 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:22.440 to boiling hot. It came very fast, which suited me. 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:25.480 I think one of the toughest matches I certainly playing Paul. 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:27.480 Paul mcner me who you know, is one of my 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:30.840 best parties. We played doubles together. Maca was a great 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:34.960 influence on me, you know, a super role model. Showed 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:38.960 me the robes, you know, around the circuit and certainly 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:39.560 dealing with. 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:43.200 You know, the other things, you know. 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:46.280 The tennis association management, all that sort of stuff. You know, 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:50.000 so he was a great you know, I probably I 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:54.040 wouldn't have had the success without Paul's support and had 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:56.280 the plane, you know, and I thought, well, this is 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:58.600 my this is my year. And it was tough inne 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:02.280 my game, you know, he wasn't He knew where the 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:05.359 weaknesses were and he was going after them. And that 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:07.800 was that was a really really tricky match. I ended 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:12.240 up winning, but it wasn't easy, and there was three 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:15.800 really tough sets. And then the next round Michael shape 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:18.240 as the heat started coming in a Dutchman and I 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:21.720 really struggled what I got end up getting through in 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:25.520 four sets, and I sort of had to pull my 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:27.399 head and that was a very frustrating match, and I 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:30.960 know I was yelling and screaming and pulling my hair 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:33.520 out and everything like that. And and you know, thank 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:35.560 god I had Jeff Bond of the sports psychologist there 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:37.200 because you know, we went to work on that and 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:39.160 it's okay, we can we can improve on this area. 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:42.000 You're going to get frustrated in these tournaments. And I 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:43.879 thought Shape was going to be the easiest player of 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:46.360 the whole tournament, and here he was making the toughest 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:49.600 for me. And I improved from then a lot and 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:54.920 playing fourge, I started really playing well. Villander Jimmy Connors 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:57.600 was I had to had a great run in the tournament, 0:17:57.640 --> 0:17:59.359 and you know, I knew I had to get on 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:00.879 top of top at the top of him, and. 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:06.199 You know, I you know, one of the. 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:07.760 First set, it was a bit of a struggle serve 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:09.359 for the set and he broke broke me back, and 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:11.520 the crowd were going crazy because he was here. He 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:13.880