1 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: Hi everyone, and welcome to another episode of The sit Down. 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: I'm Matt Trolo, a writer from oz open dot Com, and. 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 2: I'm Brie Stewart, head of Content Strategy and Operations at 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 2: Tennis Australia. 5 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: And Brie, why are we sitting down with Pat Cash 6 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: this week? 7 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 2: Well, viv Christie, who is generally here with Matt, is 8 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 2: currently in Wimbledon. Lucky duck, and why not sit down 9 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 2: on someone like Pac Cash given his illustrious career. He's 10 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 2: a very, very important Aussie in the tennis world and 11 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 2: she was really lucky to get to sit. 12 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 3: Down with him. 13 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's hear what the nineteen eighty seven Wimbledon champion 14 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: had to say. 15 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 4: Pat, thank you for joining us from a very wet 16 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 4: and somewhat cold Wimbledon. But if I remember correctly, the 17 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 4: sun was shining in nineteen eighty seven when you won 18 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 4: the men's title. What's it like to return to the 19 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 4: All England Club as a champion? 20 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,959 Speaker 5: Well, it's a great privilege. I mean, I'm lucky. I've 21 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 5: lived in London, so I have the opportunity to come 22 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 5: back when I like. One of the benefits of winning 23 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 5: the title is you become a member and they often joke, 24 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 5: but I think there is some some some reality in 25 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 5: it that the easiest way for an Australian or foreigner 26 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 5: to get a membership is to win the championship. 27 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 3: So it's it's a bit. 28 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 5: Tongue in cheek, but but it is a very very 29 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 5: exclusive club. But it's a really nice club. It's it's 30 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 5: it's actually not old and as snobby is you know, 31 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 5: I certainly when I first came came here, but it's 32 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 5: you know, and they the clubs has tried to be, 33 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 5: you know, in the forefront of tennis and and and 34 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 5: and changes of tennis because they were they were the 35 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 5: first Slam to invite the pro players back in the 36 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 5: back in the day, Ken Rosell and Labor and these 37 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 5: guys to come and play a tournament. And they said, well, 38 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 5: yeah we're going to have a pros So the first 39 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 5: you wouldn't believe it will Wimbledon. Wall Clubs were the 40 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 5: first ones that say, yeah, we'll welcome the professional players. 41 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 5: So they're always trying to be ahead of the game. 42 00:01:58,160 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 5: I'm not as excited as I used to be because 43 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 5: I can come here quite regularly, but I'm always very 44 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 5: very proud to show friends or guests, you know, around 45 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 5: the trophy room and say, hey, my name's on that. 46 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 5: And and in a weird, a very weird way. A 47 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 5: few years ago when Andy Murray went He's second title, 48 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 5: and I went into the locker room afterwards as a memory, 49 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:18,239 Speaker 5: not allowed in the locker room money if you're a 50 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 5: coach or a player. So but they let me in 51 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 5: the locker room. And then there there was the trophy 52 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 5: and I saw Murray that was just sitting there, and 53 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 5: I was having a chat with Yvonne Lendel and his 54 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 5: wife were their Samantha, and and I looked, I just 55 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 5: looked at the trophy, but for some reason, I didn't 56 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 5: look for my name. 57 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 3: I didn't know what. Then. 58 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 5: That's strange because afterwards somebody said, oh, was your name 59 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 5: is still on the ise? Like I didn't even look. 60 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 5: I assumed it is, So I'm hoping it's still on there. 61 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 4: Do you come here often outside tournament time? 62 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 3: Yeah? I do often enough. 63 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 5: I mean I've been coaching on the on the on 64 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 5: and off the tour for the last or ten years, 65 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 5: eight ten years, and so when I'm off the road 66 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 5: and I want to have it here to tennis. I 67 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 5: live not too far away from Queen's Club, so that's 68 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 5: usually been my preferred one. But they and the indoor 69 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 5: courts he were very, very average until they built a 70 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 5: beautiful new center a couple of years ago. So now 71 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 5: I try and come here as often as they can. 72 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 5: And there's a lot of good players, a lot of experts, 73 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 5: Brick brit members, Davis Cup players and fed Cup, Billy 74 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 5: Jean King Cup players here, so there's actually quite a 75 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 5: lot of good players at the club, you know, and 76 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 5: then there's amateurs of course, and so I do get 77 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 5: to I do get to come when I want and 78 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 5: which which is which is great. But it's always a 79 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 5: very exciting of course when the when the tournament's on, 80 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 5: because the rest of you know, for eleven months a 81 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 5: year it's dead quiet. So you walk around here and 82 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 5: you see the tours coming through and that's about it. 83 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 4: And obviously, you know, one thing that changed for you 84 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 4: is that you become a member of the All England Club. 85 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 4: But what else changed for you when you became a 86 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 4: WINM Wooden champion. 87 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 5: Well, I suppose at the time I didn't think anything 88 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 5: was going to change, but it seemed to be that 89 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 5: I didn't really change, but every everybody else around me 90 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 5: did so to speak, so there's a lot of stuff 91 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 5: going around. I was still a father, I'll soon to 92 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 5: be ill, soon to be a father of two. Not 93 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 5: that long after the championship. For the next year before 94 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 5: I played the defended. 95 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 3: It was another one on. 96 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 5: The way and it was so yeah, that was my 97 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 5: that and my career with my priorities. But I did 98 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 5: feel a lot of a lot of pressure, external pressure, 99 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 5: and no one put more pressure on me than myself. 100 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 5: I mean, that was that was I think. For the 101 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 5: worst thing is I thought, okay, one I won Wimbledon, 102 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 5: and reflecting back on it, it was one of the 103 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 5: weirdest things ever. When I came in the locker room 104 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 5: and I finally got to have a good chat with 105 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 5: the team. Obviously I climbed up the stands and gave 106 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 5: him a quick hug, but you know, I had had 107 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 5: a good and one of the first things I said 108 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 5: I was with myort psychologist, Jeff Bond, who was from 109 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 5: the AIS and he he was over there and Ian Barclay, 110 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 5: of course, my coach, and one of the first things 111 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 5: I said was let's go and win the US Open. 112 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 5: And they just sort of looked at me with this 113 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 5: blank look and. 114 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 3: Uh and and I thought, yeah, come on, you know, 115 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 3: I want to win. 116 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 5: And it was like mate, they almost basically they look 117 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 5: at I only reflected on it later. It was that 118 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 5: they kind of looked at me and went, mate, you 119 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 5: just want Wimbledon. Why do you enjoy it? 120 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 3: You know? And it was and it's and I just 121 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 3: for some reason. 122 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 5: I mean, of course I enjoyed it at the moment, 123 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 5: but I was I was always And that's what I 124 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 5: suppose high achievers or perfectionists have. They're always looking for 125 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 5: something else and looking for another. And I thought I 126 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 5: was very weird. And and I've heard I heard this 127 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 5: a lot from in interviews from other some gold medalists 128 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 5: and other champions there, and it's it's very hard to 129 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 5: sort of enjoy the enjoy the moment. And I think 130 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 5: hopefully players have learned from our mistakes. But you know, 131 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 5: it was, it was such a so much. It's so disturbing. 132 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 5: I think to me, that and the way that that 133 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 5: I put stress on myself and every every single tournament 134 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 5: that I ended up getting a tattoo on my arm, 135 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 5: which was just about smelling the roses. I forgot a 136 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 5: rose on my tattoo on my arm saying this too, 137 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 5: shell pass, which means that the bad will pass, but 138 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 5: the good will pass, So enjoy it. Smell the roses. 139 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 5: So that's a constant reminder. It's on my arm and 140 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 5: I have to look at it. And to this day 141 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 5: I have a ritual where if I see a rose bush, 142 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 5: doesn't matter what I'm doing, if I'm going for a 143 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 5: jog or whatever, I will, i will stop and I'll smell, 144 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 5: smell the roses, just to have a couple of minute 145 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 5: seconds to go, you know what, trying to enjoy this 146 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 5: and I do now, I really do. I've changed, but 147 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 5: at the time, you know, there was the pressure, the 148 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 5: expectations on myself and certainly everybody else changed. I hadn't changed, 149 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 5: always put presure on myself, but I put more pressure, 150 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 5: to say, and I think that also the fact that 151 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 5: people were saying, oh, you know, Boris Becker went out 152 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 5: early and you didn't beat Boris. I heard that a 153 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,119 Speaker 5: couple of a couple of times and got the guys 154 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 5: Peter doing he's a good mate of mind, but he 155 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 5: was giving me a he beat Boris Becker's ass. The 156 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 5: away he's a good mate of mine, but he needs 157 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 5: to say stuff like that, hey, image, how much percentage 158 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 5: of the prize when you're going to give me for beating Boris? 159 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,239 Speaker 3: And you know, and I sort of kind of laughed 160 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 3: about that. 161 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 5: I go, well, you know, and I thought, so I 162 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 5: actually I played him in the Sydney Indoors that and 163 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 5: that was that was a big match for me to 164 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 5: beat him. And I beat him in that and in 165 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 5: a way, and I remember going to the press conference 166 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 5: and saying, yeah, I've done it. You know, I've showed 167 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 5: people that that you know, I can beat anybody. And 168 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 5: they sort of looked at me and go, yeah, we 169 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 5: kind of knew that. But for me, I was that 170 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 5: was important. And so, you know, there was a couple 171 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 5: of things I wanted to tick off my tick off 172 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 5: my list, and you know, obviously proving to myself that 173 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 5: that I was, you know, I could have beaten Boris. 174 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 5: You know, he was obviously two time champion, and you know, 175 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 5: going on to try and win another Grand Slam, which 176 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 5: I didn't quite get done in obviously in Australia and 177 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 5: or elsewhere. 178 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 4: Was there ever a moment where you sort of stopped 179 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 4: and really appreciated that you'd become a Wimbledon champion. 180 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 5: Every day pretty much now every day I still pinch myself. 181 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 5: I mean today I've just gone in and talked to 182 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 5: some some you know, corporate guests and and you know, 183 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,239 Speaker 5: I can't believe it. And I said to my manager 184 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 5: yesterday I said, I said, I thank god I wont Wimbledon. 185 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 3: You know, it's just. 186 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 5: It's it's it's something, he said, Mate, You've done something 187 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 5: that it's it's near impossible to do. You know, people 188 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 5: admire that. You know, you might see your normal person, 189 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 5: but you're actually not. You're actually a bit of a 190 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 5: freak because you won Wimbledon. And I'm like, I'm not 191 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 5: really you know, if there's a little of other people, 192 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 5: he said, well, not really. I don't know how many 193 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,599 Speaker 5: men of one thirty or forty, not many in the 194 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 5: whole history of the sport of one Wimbledon. 195 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 3: So yeah, I think, wow. 196 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, So every once in a while I need reminding. 197 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 5: But basically, you know, pretty much, you know, I'm reminded daily. 198 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 5: But you know, I don't take it for granted. But yeah, 199 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 5: I think I'm a very very normal person. You know, 200 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 5: I don't I don't go around showing my members badge 201 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 5: or any of that stuff. 202 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 3: You know. 203 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 5: That's that's not what it's about. It's the fact that 204 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 5: I did it. I've done it, and I didn't look 205 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 5: at the name on the trophy, you know, and that's 206 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 5: that's not important to him. 207 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 3: I didn't even know where my replica trophy is. Yeah, 208 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 3: you still don't know. I still don't know. I think 209 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 3: it's a key, right, but I'm not sure. I walked past. 210 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 5: I've been a key for the the tournament there, the 211 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 5: lead up tournament, past it about twenty times and never 212 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 5: stopped to look. Maybe I think it is, but that's 213 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 5: not important to me. 214 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 4: You know. 215 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 5: I know the people when borg is saying he's going 216 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 5: to sell one of his trophies and everybody hysterical, but 217 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 5: Mac and no, no, no, we come on, we're gonna, 218 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 5: we're gonna. We're gonna buy it for your Borgie so 219 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 5: you can keep it. And he was like, and I 220 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 5: kind of got it. I said, it's only trophy. I mean, 221 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,719 Speaker 5: it's nice, but it's nice to have. But he's got 222 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 5: he got. 223 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:46,959 Speaker 3: Five beyond that. I'm not going to give mine one away, 224 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 3: but I'm not. But I'm not. You know, I'm not 225 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 3: overly concerned about that sort of stuff. 226 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 4: And what about your headband. You were famous for your headband. 227 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 4: Do you have any of your head bands from. 228 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 3: I've got my head I have. 229 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 5: I got headbands in here because everybody seems everybody seems 230 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:05,719 Speaker 5: to want one somewhere, and usually I mean I give 231 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 5: him out. I've never sold any. So my head band 232 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 5: was just about having a bit of fun and doing 233 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 5: a bit of rock and roll and tribute and Cheap Trick, 234 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 5: who were my favorite band and still one of my 235 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 5: favorite bands. And you know, just this morning, actually I 236 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 5: love still playing guitar, and I played a bit of 237 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 5: little little band around London, and I put my guitar 238 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 5: off a bit of practice because I got a gig 239 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 5: at the end of the tournament, and I had my 240 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 5: Rick Nielsen guitar strap which he gave me, who's the 241 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 5: guitarist from Cheap Trick, which I got the inspiration for 242 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 5: the check headband. 243 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 3: He gave me. He presented me his guitar. 244 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 5: Strap, which is basically it looks exactly that my head man, 245 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 5: which is the whole point, and I strapped it on today. 246 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 3: Every time I picked that up. Agay that's bloody cool. 247 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 4: The other way that you brought your individual touch to 248 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 4: Imbuden was, of course climbing up into the stands. Are 249 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 4: you proud of that legacy when you see the players 250 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 4: doing it now? 251 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 3: I am. I actually am very proud, and. 252 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 5: It's I think it's a It was a natural sort 253 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 5: of reaction, but because of the stuffiness of tennis or whatever, 254 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 5: that nobody had done it or been stupid enough to 255 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 5: do it, and I was stupid enough to do it 256 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 5: and get myself in a little bit of trouble, but 257 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 5: nothing I couldn't handle, but a bit of a slap 258 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 5: on the wrist from the club to not do that again, 259 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 5: and you kept the royal family waiting. 260 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 3: Blah blah blah. Nothing too dramatic. 261 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 5: But it's a natural sort of thing to want to 262 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 5: share it with your team and and for me, that 263 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 5: was the team that I had was was really the first, 264 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 5: the first team in in tennis. 265 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 3: You know. 266 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 5: Now you look at the box and you see you know, 267 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 5: physios and trainers and coaches and assistant coaches and tech 268 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 5: people and whatever strings strings and. 269 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 3: As John McEnroe's walking path, amac, where are you going? 270 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 3: I had to talk to you in a minute. 271 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 5: You're busy, Okay, all right, I'll see I'll catch you. 272 00:11:58,840 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 5: He's playing a gig as well at the end of 273 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 5: I want to know what songs he's playing. 274 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 3: Sorry. 275 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, So it was it was a moment in my 276 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 5: career where where it was suggested to me, and I 277 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 5: accepted from wiser people than me, that I needed some 278 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 5: sports psychology help. I don't think I really lost any 279 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 5: matches because I because of my temper or going off, 280 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 5: but I could be I certainly could have been better. 281 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 5: And and of course i'd been injured, and you know 282 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 5: it was a year off with a back injury, and 283 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,319 Speaker 5: I was a young father, so you know, there was 284 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 5: a whole lot of There was quite a few things 285 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 5: going on, so much like a business or whatever. 286 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 3: I brought in the consultants. 287 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 5: There were specialists, and you know that was the physio 288 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 5: and then the trainer. You know David Zuker there, who's 289 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 5: the Olympic physio, Jeff Bond who was the Olympic sports psychologists, 290 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 5: had doctor round Quinn who's my lifelong friend, and you know, 291 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 5: the best training there was. I was very, very lucky. 292 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 5: You need a bit of luck. Of course, had super 293 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 5: lucky to get get her and she was. She was 294 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 5: amazing for me, got me fitter than any player, faster 295 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 5: than any play, cutting edge training, she had you and supplements, 296 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 5: all that sort of stuff which I wasn't wasn't known. 297 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 5: And then and of course Barker is my coach who 298 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 5: has been there from almost day one. So we had 299 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 5: a great We had a great team. And actually a 300 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 5: more orthopedic surgeon there he was in the back. He 301 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 5: got him some tickets as well. He was more coming 302 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 5: over for a holiday. But so I had had this 303 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 5: team and and for me it was very special. It 304 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 5: was important for me to share that that that with them. 305 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 5: And of course my father was up there and and 306 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 5: my partner, the mother, and my my my. 307 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 3: Son, and. 308 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 5: I don't know, it just didn't feel right to be 309 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 5: back on the court alone by so I made up 310 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 5: my mind to do it the night before, but didn't 311 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 5: think much about it. And then afterwards, you know, I 312 00:13:58,040 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 5: sort of so much in the moment and I was 313 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 5: look looking up to them and going, they're so far away. 314 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 3: This just doesn't feel right. 315 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 5: And so that's when I made the decision to go, 316 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 5: and I eventually made it. That wasn't very very elegant 317 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 5: by any means, and almost it almost became the most 318 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 5: embarrassing moment in my life from one of the best 319 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 5: moments in my life about a minute earlier. So I 320 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 5: couldn't get couldn't get find my way up there. But 321 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 5: I eventually did it, and and you know, the rest 322 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 5: is history. But you know, I'm glad they're cleared a 323 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 5: pathway for the players to see their teams. 324 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 4: Well, you created lots of kind of injuring memories. I 325 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 4: always remember you had such a special bond with your 326 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 4: coach in Barclay, that was such a long relationship. 327 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, and I and still here comes every year we 328 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 5: can and you know, when none of us are getting 329 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 5: any younger. So it's great, great to see him at 330 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 5: dinner with him the other day and a at a 331 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 5: good great chat with him. He's still on top of 332 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 5: the tennis. And he lived in England for a while, 333 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 5: so he coached quite a lot of the players who 334 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 5: now have now become coaches. So he ends up running 335 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 5: into the coach of Jack Draper and and others. But yeah, 336 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 5: it's and he doesn't he looks the same, because he 337 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 5: looked he had gray hair and a gray mustache. Back 338 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 5: then when he was only forty and uh now he's 339 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 5: got the same he's got slightly less hair, but he 340 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 5: looks exactly the same. People look at you look exactly 341 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 5: the same, and he does. He's a bit slower, of course. 342 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 4: Yeah. 343 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 5: I mean Ian was my second father and his son 344 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 5: was my best best buddies and you know with mad 345 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 5: Hawthorne supporters, so he always had some fun. 346 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 3: We had a lot of success with the Hawks at 347 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 3: that that time of the of. 348 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, the eighties, and you know we were just yeah, 349 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 5: he was like my like my dad and my dad 350 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 5: used to get on the phone and my dad was 351 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 5: almost almost the I don't know, the the person who 352 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 5: sort of you know, kept on He did the some 353 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 5: finance and he was a lawyer and so he kept 354 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 5: an eye on that with along with IMG Management Group. 355 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 5: So we had a I thought we had a bloody 356 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 5: good team which was really modern modern, very modern version 357 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 5: or the very modern version back then. 358 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 4: And in that campaign you beat Paul McNamee Jimmy Connors 359 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 4: of Van Landell. What do you remember from the tennis itself. 360 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 5: Well, I remember that all of a sudden, the weather 361 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 5: came from this sort of weather miserably cold for weeks 362 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 5: to boiling hot. It came very fast, which suited me. 363 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 5: I think one of the toughest matches I certainly playing Paul. 364 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 5: Paul mcner me who you know, is one of my 365 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 5: best parties. We played doubles together. Maca was a great 366 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 5: influence on me, you know, a super role model. Showed 367 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 5: me the robes, you know, around the circuit and certainly 368 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 5: dealing with. 369 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 3: You know, the other things, you know. 370 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 5: The tennis association management, all that sort of stuff. You know, 371 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 5: so he was a great you know, I probably I 372 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 5: wouldn't have had the success without Paul's support and had 373 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 5: the plane, you know, and I thought, well, this is 374 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 5: my this is my year. And it was tough inne 375 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 5: my game, you know, he wasn't He knew where the 376 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 5: weaknesses were and he was going after them. And that 377 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 5: was that was a really really tricky match. I ended 378 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 5: up winning, but it wasn't easy, and there was three 379 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 5: really tough sets. And then the next round Michael shape 380 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 5: as the heat started coming in a Dutchman and I 381 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 5: really struggled what I got end up getting through in 382 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 5: four sets, and I sort of had to pull my 383 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 5: head and that was a very frustrating match, and I 384 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 5: know I was yelling and screaming and pulling my hair 385 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 5: out and everything like that. And and you know, thank 386 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 5: god I had Jeff Bond of the sports psychologist there 387 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 5: because you know, we went to work on that and 388 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 5: it's okay, we can we can improve on this area. 389 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 5: You're going to get frustrated in these tournaments. And I 390 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 5: thought Shape was going to be the easiest player of 391 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 5: the whole tournament, and here he was making the toughest 392 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 5: for me. And I improved from then a lot and 393 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 5: playing fourge, I started really playing well. Villander Jimmy Connors 394 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 5: was I had to had a great run in the tournament, 395 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 5: and you know, I knew I had to get on 396 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 5: top of top at the top of him, and. 397 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,199 Speaker 3: You know, I you know, one of the. 398 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 5: First set, it was a bit of a struggle serve 399 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 5: for the set and he broke broke me back, and 400 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 5: the crowd were going crazy because he was here. He 401 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 5: was at the end of his career. It's thirty five. 402 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 5: I mean, you think thirty five back then. Now you're 403 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 5: looking at jocol it just thirty six and Murray and 404 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 5: still going it or barely still going. But you know, 405 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 5: thirty five. Yeah, it's old, but it's not that old, 406 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 5: I suppose now. I always had that opinion as well, 407 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 5: but but you know, the crowd were really getting into it. 408 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 5: So I ended up getting through Jimmy, playing really well 409 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 5: at the end and getting into the final. I felt 410 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 5: very confident against Yvann. I'd beaten him in his Train Open. 411 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 5: My shoulder wasn't great during the Austrain Open semi final. 412 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 5: I wasn't serving nearly one hundred percent, and and I 413 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 5: beat Yvonne, and I figured, well, if I can beat 414 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 5: him now that I'm fully fit, you know I've got it. 415 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 5: You know I should do it. But it's one thing 416 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 5: wanting to do it, another thing actually doing it. So 417 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 5: a new Varne was going to be tough. Hit the 418 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 5: ball harder than just about anybody. Probably Boris Becker was 419 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 5: the hardest hitter, but you haven't hit the ball really hard, 420 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 5: and so I just had to try and make him 421 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 5: volley and try and put it together as best I could. 422 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 5: And it was you know, there was two really tight 423 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 5: sets that could have gone either way. 424 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 4: You mentioned playing against Paul Paul mcnamie, and that was 425 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 4: such a tough match for you. I mean, Izzie. Camaraderie. 426 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 4: It's always such a feature of Wimbled and through the generations. 427 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 4: It must be pleasing for you to see that that 428 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 4: still exists now. 429 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 3: It should do it? Really should? I think it. 430 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 5: I think the camaraderie came back in the early days 431 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 5: when the guys would travel together for months and months 432 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 5: and months, and yeah, of course they'll incredibly competitive, but 433 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 5: you know, there wasn't I suppose there wasn't a lot 434 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 5: of there wasn't really money in it, so they had 435 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 5: you know, it's like, well that element of uh, you know, lifestyle, 436 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 5: I suppose didn't really come into it. 437 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 3: You know, if you know, if I lose to it, 438 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 3: I was your first round. 439 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 5: Then you know, I get, I get, you know, a 440 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 5: decent check, but you know, all of a sudden he's 441 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 5: got a really good check. You know, I want, I 442 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 5: need that, you know, I want to pay my coach 443 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 5: and and now I can't type of thing. But but 444 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 5: and I know I've always been raised to help the young, 445 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 5: younger players, or younger people or or whatever. Maybe it's 446 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 5: just in me as a young young father that I 447 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 5: always wanted to help people, but it was installed in 448 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 5: me by the older guys Neil Fraser and and and 449 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 5: and whatever, and and I think that's that's uh, that's 450 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 5: really important. And then the big world of business and 451 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 5: everything else that goes on, there's always going to be 452 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 5: friction between people and players and and whatever. But at 453 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 5: the end of the day, you know, it's about people 454 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 5: coming out there enjoying tennis and having a being able 455 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 5: to have a shot. 456 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 4: You know that I was his spirit also translated to 457 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 4: you for Davis Cup. You had some great success in 458 00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 4: Davis Cup. You must be proud to have had by 459 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 4: individual heights and team heights as well. 460 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, so Davis Cup was just awesome. 461 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 5: You know, just looking back at those times, they were 462 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 5: probably the most fun times in my career. Also some 463 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 5: of the most disappointing, because you know, you don't perform 464 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 5: well for your country, you feel really really like you've 465 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 5: let down your mates and your country. And you know, 466 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 5: I was fortunate enough to have a great team, and 467 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 5: you know, certainly in eighty three when I first came 468 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 5: on the circuit, you know, I'd watched John Alexander play 469 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 5: in the Davis Cup and he was a bit of 470 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 5: a hero of mine. And I want to model my 471 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 5: serve after Ja, and you know he did well. And 472 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 5: remember seeing beat Panatta in the Italian White City at 473 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 5: the semi finals of Davis Cup. 474 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 3: You know, that was that sort of an endearing moment. 475 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 5: I can I can see I can actually see in 476 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 5: my mind Phrase holding up Ja's hand and it's sort 477 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 5: of half twisted over at the back of his head. 478 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 5: J looks completely drenched in sweat, looks exhausted. But big 479 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 5: moments for me and Jay. When I came on the circuit, 480 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 5: Ja was still there and Brad Drewitt was, you know 481 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 5: who became a good friend, The late great Brad Drewitt 482 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 5: is a friend of all of us. You know, we 483 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 5: were sort of Orange boys with Peter the mac is 484 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 5: the Supermax and playing in Perth against you know, MC 485 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 5: and rain was coming out. That was that was great 486 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 5: moments for me and I always wanted to play from 487 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 5: for my country and got the opportunity the next year, 488 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 5: and you know, we had a we had a you know, 489 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 5: a great mentality and of you know, we'll just give 490 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 5: it a shot. We've got a good we've got a 491 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 5: great chance here. We've got playing every match in Australia. 492 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 5: But you know, let's see how far we can go, 493 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 5: and we always we dedicated ourselves to this, and. 494 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 4: So many of those moments were on a grass court. 495 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 4: So Bossie's and grass, it's a pretty special thing, isn't it. 496 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 5: Yeah, well we had I suppose we've got some DNA 497 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 5: from the throwback now now that not down play a 498 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 5: lot on the grass. 499 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 3: And I mean, what a great line of teachers we had. 500 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 5: We had everywhere from the sedge Frank Sedgement all the 501 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 5: way through m O. You know, Ken Rose was here 502 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 5: yesterday and you know, I remember vividly watching Ken Rose 503 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 5: was back and I've got videos I help him on 504 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 5: my phone saved in my favor So I show my 505 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 5: player how players how to hit a slice back in 506 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 5: and when they start chopping on the ball, go check 507 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 5: this out. And this is how hit to slice back in. 508 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 5: And you know, you know the new curve of course, 509 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 5: and Roachie the doubles, and you know, we just had 510 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 5: a great line of teachers that teach taught us and 511 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 5: Neil Fraser of course, that Davids Cup captain is you know, 512 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 5: was you know, the most beautiful left handed serve. I 513 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 5: watched watched some of the old video and some photos 514 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 5: of him and I now know more about technique. I honestly, 515 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 5: there's a photo at Kuyong that is worth anybody going 516 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 5: past and watching. The phrase serve mid serves action is 517 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 5: absolutely poetry in motion. It is the most technically perfect 518 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 5: serve I think I've ever seen. It's and it's and 519 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 5: that was some phrase back on those days. And you know, 520 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 5: he's so we said, great teachers on the grass. They 521 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 5: knew how to play on the grass. So you know, 522 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 5: I was bloody lucky to have those sort of guys 523 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 5: and barkers. Of course he was a play He didn't 524 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 5: play top, top level international stuff, but he played all 525 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 5: the country tournaments and you know how to play on 526 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 5: the grass. 527 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 3: And now it's more hard caught play on the grass. 528 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 5: I'd love to see somebody tearing in and really getting 529 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 5: around the net and making trouble for the players there. 530 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 5: They're quite you know, he takes a lot of courage 531 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 5: to be a serving volleyer because the risk is, you 532 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 5: know that you have to hit the ball really close 533 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 5: to the net on the volleys, and there's a lot 534 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 5: of lunge volleys, a lot of low volleys. They have 535 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 5: to skim over the net. I don't think the players 536 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 5: are brave enough. 537 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 3: To do it. I mean, it's quite simple. Are they 538 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 3: a bunch of chickens? 539 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,439 Speaker 5: Yeah, because it takes a lot of guts to go 540 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 5: in there. 541 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 3: Is it stupid? 542 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,199 Speaker 5: Maybe it's a bit more stupid these days because you're 543 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 5: going to get passed. But there's still absolutely an opportunity 544 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 5: to do that, and hopefully somebody who will come in 545 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 5: a big serve volume who can really volley. Now there's 546 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 5: some big serves a volley ish, you know, but you know, 547 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 5: it is easy to pass. The rackets and the strings 548 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 5: make it easy to pass and lob Lobbing is the 549 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 5: worst thing passing because you usually hit the ball pretty 550 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 5: hard on the pass it's reasonably flat, but you're a 551 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 5: sucker for a lob and guys like Andy Murray use 552 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 5: these new strings to they hit the ball which would 553 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 5: drop at least three or four five feet out in 554 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 5: our day. With those strings drop in now buy a 555 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 5: foot you know, that's how much spin the ball drops 556 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 5: and you're a sitting duck. So yeah, the game's changed, 557 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 5: there's still elements to you know that this is still 558 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 5: a grass court. 559 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 3: It's still pretty. 560 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 5: Quick and as far as I know, I know, I 561 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 5: talked to joke with my players. 562 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 3: They go, well, what do we do with the modern game? 563 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 5: It's and I said, I look, take them out on 564 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 5: the grass court and I go, can you notice something 565 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 5: different about this? They go, oh, I didn't don't know. 566 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 5: I said, well, well guess what. The net is the 567 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 5: same height and the dimensions of the same size, and 568 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 5: you've still got the same damn rules as in my day. 569 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 3: So let me tell you how it looks. It's usually 570 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 3: a bit of a bit of a oak. 571 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 5: But I often do that with a player who's coming 572 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 5: on a center court match and the young players coming on. 573 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 3: I come out the gast have a look at that 574 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 3: center court. Tell me what's different. 575 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 5: They go, oh, the stands, or oh the umpires, chairs 576 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 5: further back, or seats of this and that. 577 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 3: Have a look. 578 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 5: There's something to have a look? Tell me and they oh, 579 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 5: they're always picking something else. Let something else out. Oh, 580 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 5: oh the line's being going to be further back. And say, no, no, no, 581 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 5: keep looking. What's the difference. 582 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 3: I can't see anything exactly exactly. 583 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 5: It's the same damn sitees got the same size net, 584 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 5: So don't worry about it. You know you've been playing 585 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 5: on this for years, you'll be fine. So it's the 586 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 5: same thing. On the grass court, it's still it's still 587 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,439 Speaker 5: a grass court. It's still pretty quick and not and 588 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,679 Speaker 5: maybe on days like today, but when it gets hot, 589 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 5: it's the grass is as fast, if not faster than 590 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 5: back in my day, more like Australian Open. 591 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 3: Grass bouncy fast. 592 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 5: I'll probably get that towards the end of the tournament, 593 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 5: but definitely not today. 594 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 2: So Pat Cash talking about the summer and the heat 595 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 2: and how the ball bounds differently during that period, and 596 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 2: there's obviously a lot of rain there at the. 597 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 3: Moment, very very different conditions. 598 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,360 Speaker 1: I would be guessing very different. And I'm also intrigued 599 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,479 Speaker 1: to know where Viv and Pat sat down to actually 600 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 1: do the interview, because it sounds like it was in 601 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: a thoroughfare something and some pretty famous people milling around. 602 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 2: Well. I loved when he stopped talking to Viv w 603 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 2: Hey McEnroe, like I'd want to catch you a bit later. 604 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 2: It just felt really, really natural. Absolutely, so I hope 605 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 2: you enjoyed that as much as we did. Matt and 606 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 2: Viv will be back again next Monday, and in the 607 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 2: meantime you can listen to myself and John and the 608 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 2: team this Thursday on the AO show. 609 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 1: Weekly and details for how to contact us are in 610 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: the show notes below, and it's always please subscribe, rate 611 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 1: and review. 612 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 2: See your later, Brak, see yeah