Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken.
Speaker 2: It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture
Speaker 2: news twice a week. I'm Sophie Torber and coming up
Speaker 2: on today's show, Sarah's Day's Sunburn Strategy, the latest on
Speaker 2: the Taylor Swift terror plot, and Ella and Don pull
Speaker 2: the pin on their controversial podcast. But First, Sammy Robinson
Speaker 2: has been spotted in the arms of another man. Now.
Speaker 2: Back in May, Sammy appeared to soft launch Sammy Wilkes
Speaker 2: in her video, who is a singer and American internet
Speaker 2: personality who has over one point six million followers. Now,
Speaker 2: whilst we didn't see his face in this book bunk video,
Speaker 2: his voice and arm did appear in it, and he
Speaker 2: was spotted wearing a bracelet with the initials sw.
Speaker 1: Now, it wasn't long.
Speaker 2: Before Super Slou's Put the Clues Together found out his
Speaker 2: name and it was posted all over gossip sites. Now,
Speaker 2: Sammy Wilkes lives in LA but Sammy has been spending
Speaker 2: a fair bit of time there this year as she
Speaker 2: grows one mile in the US. This is so confusing
Speaker 2: Sammy and Sammy. I've always wondered if people get put
Speaker 2: off from dating a person with a similar.
Speaker 1: Or with the same name.
Speaker 2: Well, it's like Sophie Kasha and Sophie vander Hoovel. Surely
Speaker 2: becomes a problem at some point. Now, over the weekend,
Speaker 2: our inbox was inundated with listeners sending through an Instagram
Speaker 2: story of Sammy leaping into the arms of another man
Speaker 2: and appearing.
Speaker 1: To kiss him.
Speaker 2: Now, for those who haven't seen it, I have to say,
Speaker 2: I am not convinced that this was a genuine kiss
Speaker 2: because you saw her head and hair fling over him,
Speaker 2: but you didn't actually see their lips touching, And there
Speaker 2: was a lot of laughter after it. It seemed maybe
Speaker 2: like a joke. What say, you're saying that they're just friends.
Speaker 2: I think that they might just be friends because they
Speaker 2: were hanging out after the City to surf, which they
Speaker 2: both competed in with a number of friends. Now, this
Speaker 2: guy is called Camera Carter, and he is the director
Speaker 2: of a company called mister Sea, which appears to be
Speaker 2: a marketing company, and on his Instagram account he mostly
Speaker 2: posts about his work, and he posted a photo of
Speaker 2: Sammy in June at fashion Week and she sent little
Speaker 2: love hearts back to him, and he often shares fashion
Speaker 2: photos of other celebrities wearing his client's clothes. So I
Speaker 2: think that they're friends through business and work, and I
Speaker 2: think that they're perhaps having a bit of a laugh
Speaker 2: to either make someone jealous or attract attention. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: an interesting move because they would know there's going to
Speaker 2: be so much speculation online, especially when they're sharing videos
Speaker 2: of what appears to be them kissing. It comes at
Speaker 2: an interesting time because over the weekend, Influencer Updates reported
Speaker 2: that Sammy had unfollowed a guy called Sean Stevenson. Now
Speaker 2: he is a New Zealand rugby player who she was
Speaker 2: rumored to be dating previously, so she seems to be
Speaker 2: getting rid of a bit of dead wood. She might
Speaker 2: be entering her single girl era. As much as I
Speaker 2: hate using that term, hot girl.
Speaker 1: Summer on the horizon was.
Speaker 3: A hat and sunnies for me and honestly hide me
Speaker 3: from the world until I can just lay in the sun.
Speaker 2: Fitness influencer Sarah's Day has caused a stir whilst holidaying
Speaker 2: in Hawaii with her family. Despite spending an estimated forty
Speaker 2: eight thousand dollars to fly her family of four business class,
Speaker 2: the Divisive influencer spent the first day of her trip,
Speaker 2: complaining about the price.
Speaker 1: Of a Hawaiian coffee.
Speaker 2: She also used a severe sunburn as an opportunity to
Speaker 2: sell skincare Sophie Sarah wasn't overly impressed with her experience
Speaker 2: with Quantus Business Class. No, I don't think the Quantus
Speaker 2: team would have been overly wrapped with the content that.
Speaker 1: She produced because she shared a real.
Speaker 2: Detailing her experience flying Quantus Business Class with her husband
Speaker 2: Kurt and their two kids, and they flew directly from
Speaker 2: Sydney to Hawaii, which was a ten hour flight overnight.
Speaker 2: Now this content is becoming quite popular on TikTok. I
Speaker 2: recently saw beck Lomaz sharing about her experience flying first
Speaker 2: class to the UK, and I love this whole fly
Speaker 2: on the wall look at how the other half live,
Speaker 2: because it is like another world up there. There are
Speaker 2: lie down beds, there's restaurant quality food, and the amount
Speaker 2: of space that you personally get is just obscene compared
Speaker 2: to what people get in cattle class. There is a
Speaker 2: big market for these reviews on aeroplane food. I've seen
Speaker 2: them all over TikTok and I love watching them. Even
Speaker 2: my seventeen year old dad will sit down on YouTube
Speaker 2: and watch food reviews. Well, this is what I think
Speaker 2: Sarah was going for, because in this reel she included
Speaker 2: shots of her eating her entree and mane. But then
Speaker 2: she said she decided not to give a review.
Speaker 1: Here's what she said.
Speaker 3: Now, this was a night flat and we were flying business.
Speaker 3: I was honestly really looking forward to the food. But
Speaker 3: I don't want to be a downer, because usually I
Speaker 3: will rave about these meals, but tonight I'm not even
Speaker 3: going to give it a rating because I will genuinely.
Speaker 1: Just be so savage.
Speaker 3: Let's just say it didn't hit the mark for me.
Speaker 2: For reference, she had ordered a pump can soup with
Speaker 2: bread for entree and what looked like a bad tie
Speaker 2: with lots of chicken for Maine. To me, whose only
Speaker 2: experienced cattle class, the food looked pretty nice. I'm disappointed
Speaker 2: that Sarah didn't go there, because I actually enjoy a
Speaker 2: savage food review. I used to listen to Sam Magnan's
Speaker 2: podcast literally Nobody Cares, and he is an avid first
Speaker 2: class or business class flyer, and he would go into
Speaker 2: the most hilarious detail about how shit some of these
Speaker 2: meals actually were.
Speaker 1: But it was all a bit of tongue in cheat.
Speaker 2: I don't think that sort of review would have hit
Speaker 2: the mark with Sarah's followers, though, because we're in such
Speaker 2: a tough economic crisis, the optics of complaining about flying
Speaker 2: business class with your family of four whilst people can't
Speaker 2: even afford to go on a holiday doesn't look good.
Speaker 2: I get all of that, but I don't understand then
Speaker 2: why she shared anything about it. Well, I think it
Speaker 2: sounded like the taste of the food wasn't her only problem.
Speaker 2: It was also the time that the food was served.
Speaker 2: So the entree was served at nine thirty pm, mains
Speaker 2: came out at eleven thirty pm, and breakfast was at
Speaker 2: three am. And she explained that because of these times,
Speaker 2: it was very difficult to get her son Malachi down
Speaker 2: to sleep. It must be so tough traveling with kids.
Speaker 2: I don't have kids, but now that we've got a nephew,
Speaker 2: I'm like, everything is ten times harder when Kate brings
Speaker 2: him out.
Speaker 1: But can you imagine how much more difficult it is.
Speaker 2: To get your kids to sleep in cattle class when
Speaker 2: you don't have a bed and an individual spot for them. Well,
Speaker 2: Sarah seems to have a thing with complaining about flights
Speaker 2: to Hawaii, because she caused a lot of controversy a
Speaker 2: few years ago when she flew Hawaiian Airlines and there
Speaker 2: was a delay with her flight, and she bad mouth
Speaker 2: the airlines so much she had her followers reaching out
Speaker 2: to the company to complain. That's probably why she didn't
Speaker 2: fly Hawaiian again. Maybe they wouldn't have her on board.
Speaker 2: It's funny because she didn't actually point out that she
Speaker 2: was flying Quantus in the video, but she did this
Speaker 2: skincare routine in the bathroom, which says just how big
Speaker 2: the first class and business class bathroom must be that
Speaker 2: you'd want to be in there for longer than two seconds,
Speaker 2: And she pulled on the iconic Quantus pajama, so it
Speaker 2: was quite clear who she was flying with. She was
Speaker 2: quite mindful to point out that she's heavily pregnant, and
Speaker 2: she was very grateful for the lie down bed, but
Speaker 2: she then said that she didn't get a wink of sleep,
Speaker 2: so it was an interesting review. Now, this video was
Speaker 2: juxtapositioned with Sarah then complaining about the cost of expensive
Speaker 2: coffee in Hawaii.
Speaker 1: Here's what she said.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately for us, the Australian dollar. H like a coffee
Speaker 3: here is like a normal coffee price. Let's say we
Speaker 3: would get a six dollar coffee. We're paying like, oh,
Speaker 3: we're paying like ten dollars a coffee because when we
Speaker 3: transferred our money for every dollar we transferred, we got
Speaker 3: like sixty cents stub.
Speaker 2: I've noticed this a lot with some influences, where they'll
Speaker 2: drop all of this money on one thing, but then
Speaker 2: cry poor or pretend that they're so relatable by complaining
Speaker 2: about an everyday item like.
Speaker 1: The cost of a coffee.
Speaker 2: It's their way to have a relatable moment with their followers,
Speaker 2: because the majority of the population loves to complain about
Speaker 2: coffee and how overpriced it is. But it didn't really
Speaker 2: land well, seeing as we've just seen her drop an
Speaker 2: excessive amount of money on flying business class with a
Speaker 2: family of four, just to point out how expensive these
Speaker 2: tickets are. I search quantas at this time of year,
Speaker 2: and one business class ticket to Hawaii from Sydney costs
Speaker 2: six thousand dollars. So to fly business class return for
Speaker 2: a family of four that works out to forty eight
Speaker 2: thousand dollars, and that is before you've then spent money
Speaker 2: on accommodation and expensive coffees. I wonder if this trip
Speaker 2: could be considered a tax deeduction for Sarah because she
Speaker 2: is filming her content over there.
Speaker 1: Oh, surely not.
Speaker 2: I think that that would be a bit of an
Speaker 2: over exaggeration. Yeah, but so many influencers would do it
Speaker 2: because they are actually doing their job overseas.
Speaker 1: She might be able to actually get.
Speaker 2: Some form of tax reduction for half the trip for example. Well,
Speaker 2: a follower did point out the irony of her coffee complaints, saying,
Speaker 2: it's slightly funny to spend that much money on flights
Speaker 2: but complain about the ten dollar coffee in Hawaii. I'm
Speaker 2: sure that person was swiftly deleted. Well no, so the
Speaker 2: comment got one hundred and two likes, and Sarah replied
Speaker 2: with a laughing face, saying, it's the principal and what
Speaker 2: I'm getting for money, it makes sense in my mind.
Speaker 2: I think the irony of this comment was further backed
Speaker 2: up by the fact that they are staying at this
Speaker 2: luxurious ocean front villa.
Speaker 1: This place looked absolutely insane.
Speaker 2: You walk out the front and it's literally got the
Speaker 2: grass which leads you down to the beach. I would
Speaker 2: hate to think how much this goes. I mean, the
Speaker 2: whole thing is it's her money and she can spend
Speaker 2: it however she likes. But I think it just looks
Speaker 2: a bit disingenuous when you're complaining about the cost of
Speaker 2: a coffee and then you're staying at this kind of accommodation. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was quite interesting because at the end of Sarah's
Speaker 2: video about Quantus, she finished by saying this.
Speaker 1: I looked disgusting.
Speaker 3: So it was a hat and sunnies for me, and
Speaker 3: honestly hide me from the world until I can just
Speaker 3: lay in the sun.
Speaker 2: And Sarah really didn't waste time spending her first day
Speaker 2: of the holiday lying in the sun in a bikini
Speaker 2: with no sun cream on. So the next day, probably
Speaker 2: realizing it would be impossible to hide this burn as
Speaker 2: she was red raw all over her pregnant belly and chest,
Speaker 2: she addressed her on her stories, writing I've been so
Speaker 2: diligent in my adult years, but wow, I messed up
Speaker 2: on day one of the Hawaiian Sun after coming out
Speaker 2: of Sydney winter. I don't even want to show you
Speaker 2: the aftermath anyway.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to update you here because I left
Speaker 3: you hanging with that whole like I'm so mad at
Speaker 3: my sunburn.
Speaker 1: I am I mad at myself, not of myself.
Speaker 3: I'm not even going to give you my excuse because
Speaker 3: it's like, cringe, my excuse, it's cringe, and it just
Speaker 3: makes no sense anyway. Sucks to be me, but not really,
Speaker 3: it doesn't really suck to be me. No, it sucks
Speaker 3: for my skin and my future self with my skin.
Speaker 3: But you know you went se me looser.
Speaker 1: I want to reiterate that.
Speaker 2: She pointed out that she wasn't proud of this, and
Speaker 2: she was quite embarrassed about it, But despite being ashamed
Speaker 2: of the burn, she used it as an opportunity to
Speaker 2: slip in what I guess she saw as being an
Speaker 2: authentic ad. So. She has been working with skincare brand
Speaker 2: Esme for a number of years now and uploaded a
Speaker 2: video whilst in Hawaii for their after sun gel. The
Speaker 2: product describes itself as taking the heat out of exposed
Speaker 2: skin with Alavira calming sunburn. Here's part of what she
Speaker 2: said in the ad.
Speaker 3: Yay, we're here in Hawaii, but what is wrong with me?
Speaker 3: How did I do this?
Speaker 1: On day one?
Speaker 3: Like a lot of you guys have commented and said
Speaker 3: that when you're pregnant you're more susceptible to sunburn.
Speaker 1: But no, I'm just an idiot and I didn't reapply,
Speaker 1: so I don't even think I had sunscreen on this day.
Speaker 1: I don't even know it was day one anyway.
Speaker 3: Pro tip if you do happen to get sunburned, or
Speaker 3: just even after a day in the sun, I lather
Speaker 3: myself in this Sun's Skills after sunngel. It has both
Speaker 3: aliverra and hyleronic acid, green tea, peppermin extract. It's just
Speaker 3: full of all the good stuff to rehydrate your skin
Speaker 3: and just soothe any kind of burning.
Speaker 2: I want to point out that nowhere in this real
Speaker 2: all the countless stories that she uploaded about esme, did
Speaker 2: she include the word ad or paid partnership, which is
Speaker 2: such a trend at the moment. Nor one is using
Speaker 2: the paid partnership tools, which is so disappointing. Infuriates me
Speaker 2: so much because it's really not that difficult to do,
Speaker 2: and it's I mean, it is clear that it's now
Speaker 2: because she managed to include her freshly updated thirty percent
Speaker 2: off code. Surely, though she hasn't just gone and burned
Speaker 2: herself in order to promote this product. This was a
Speaker 2: thought that was echoed by Influenza updates au and I
Speaker 2: personally don't think that she intentionally burnt herself for the
Speaker 2: sake of this content. I don't think that she cares
Speaker 2: that much about her partnership with Esme. I think that
Speaker 2: she thought perhaps on this trip, she'd get more of
Speaker 2: a gradual tan when she was over there, and she
Speaker 2: could use the alleverra in some content. She is very
Speaker 2: clever though. She knows what gets clicks, and she explained
Speaker 2: on her story that she already had two thousand people
Speaker 2: message her giving her advice on her burn. So she
Speaker 2: probably thought that this was a lucrative opportunity for her
Speaker 2: ad to perform. Well, maybe she could sign esme on
Speaker 2: for another year. I mean, I'd never heard heard of
Speaker 2: this after sun gel, it sounds pretty good. Well, she
Speaker 2: was obviously preempting a burn. It's funny because Sarah said
Speaker 2: in her Instagram story, Oh, I'm normally so good. But
Speaker 2: she's had a real checkered past of promoting tanning. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she's been criticized in the past for sharing about burns,
Speaker 2: since she's known for someone who doesn't generally fake tan,
Speaker 2: but she prefers to sit outside in the sun when
Speaker 2: she's working on her computer in the hope of getting
Speaker 2: a natural tan.
Speaker 1: And this is this is.
Speaker 2: Quite damaging rhetoric, because no tan is safe.
Speaker 1: Even if you're sitting.
Speaker 2: Out in the sun and you're not getting burnt, that
Speaker 2: tan is a sign that your skin is damaged. And
Speaker 2: despite the fact that she said she felt ashamed, I
Speaker 2: felt like she was kind of using that as a
Speaker 2: disclaimer to then give her a free pass to show
Speaker 2: off the burn.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because like it's this badge of honor.
Speaker 2: Sometimes. I've seen so many influencers do this. You can
Speaker 2: tell they're proud because they're like, oh, it's going to
Speaker 2: turn brown. I have seen this a lot with a
Speaker 2: couple of the UK influences I follow, and I understand
Speaker 2: that they don't have the education in sun safety that
Speaker 2: we have in Australia, but it is a really worrying trend.
Speaker 2: The Era's tour has become a safe place for so
Speaker 2: many Swifties. The atmosphere is magical as fans exchange friendship
Speaker 2: bracelets and showcase outfits that have been months in the making.
Speaker 2: Fans in Vienna were preparing to have the night of
Speaker 2: their lives, unaware that four teenagers were planning a chilling
Speaker 2: terror plot. Sophie what has unfolded so far?
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: On Wednesday, authorities were forced to cancel the Vienna leg
Speaker 2: of Taylor Swift's Eras tour after foiling a planned terrorist
Speaker 2: attack at the stadium. Now three teenagers have been arrested
Speaker 2: and one is being questioned over the incident. Now the
Speaker 2: main suspect has been revealed as a nineteen year old
Speaker 2: called Baran A who is an old Austrian citizen. He
Speaker 2: is believed to have pledged allegiance to Islamic State in
Speaker 2: the last month and has been radicalized online.
Speaker 1: He had a.
Speaker 2: Seventeen year old, eighteen year old and a fifteen year
Speaker 2: old working as his accomplices. Now Bahrain confessed to planning
Speaker 2: to kill as many people as possible outside the concert venue.
Speaker 2: He intended on carrying out an attack in the area
Speaker 2: outside the stadium by driving his car into the crowds
Speaker 2: before using knives, machetes and homemade explosive devices. Bomb making
Speaker 2: materials were also found during a raid of his house.
Speaker 2: And what is even more chilling is his seventeen year
Speaker 2: old accomplice is believed to have been employed as a
Speaker 2: security guard for the concert and would have carried out
Speaker 2: the attack. From insight that happened, I just can't get
Speaker 2: over the absolute horror and confusion that would have played out.
Speaker 2: To think that a security guard who is there to
Speaker 2: protect fans would then turn into the attacker is just
Speaker 2: pure evil.
Speaker 1: It makes me feel so sick.
Speaker 2: And give it from a social media perspective, each night
Speaker 2: this concert is live streamed, everyone has their phone out
Speaker 2: filming every moment. For TikTok, there would have been absolutely
Speaker 2: horrifying clip.
Speaker 4: And this is a.
Speaker 2: Place predominantly where young women can unashamably be themselves. They
Speaker 2: can dance around, be silly, where costumes, they're encouraged to
Speaker 2: make friends with people in the crowd. It is also
Speaker 2: so terrifying that not only were these teenagers planning to
Speaker 2: set off a bomb, but they were going to cause
Speaker 2: mass deaths through stabbing as many people as possible. And
Speaker 2: this comes off the back of the Southport stabbing where
Speaker 2: three little girls were stabbed to death at a Taylor
Speaker 2: Swift theme event in the UK, and closer to home,
Speaker 2: just a couple of months ago, we saw women and
Speaker 2: a baby being stabbed at Westfield Bondi Junction, and that again,
Speaker 2: was supposed to be such a safe and happy space
Speaker 2: for women.
Speaker 1: I felt so.
Speaker 2: Angry when I saw this come out because I've seen
Speaker 2: so many recent videos of tens of thousands of fans
Speaker 2: who wait outside the concert, all of those who have
Speaker 2: been unable to get tickets, and the thought of them
Speaker 2: being mowed down by cars just made me feel sick. Well,
Speaker 2: whilst there were sixty five thousand fans expected in the stadium,
Speaker 2: around twenty to thirty thousand were going to be gathering outside,
Speaker 2: and we saw incredible scenes in Germany recently where thousands
Speaker 2: of fans swarmed a nearby hill to listen to the concert,
Speaker 2: and it was such a beautiful site because the crowd
Speaker 2: was sitting there on picnic rugs, singing along to Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2: And it's disgusting to think that someone would see this
Speaker 2: joy and think, how can I destroy this and how
Speaker 2: can I take this opportunity and turn it into absolute chaos. Now,
Speaker 2: the main suspect told authorities that he began planning this
Speaker 2: attack last month, so he uploaded to the internet his
Speaker 2: oath of allegiance to the current head of isis two
Speaker 2: days before the planned attacks. And it's so lucky that
Speaker 2: this tip off came just a day before the concert
Speaker 2: was going to take place. And this actually came through
Speaker 2: US into intelligence services, who informed their Austrian counterparts. Well,
Speaker 2: the first place I saw this announcement was on Taylor Nation,
Speaker 2: which is Taylor's official management team, and at the time
Speaker 2: of recording, Taylor Swift hasn't officially posted about the cancelation,
Speaker 2: but there are reports she's offering fans in Vienna the
Speaker 2: opportunity to go and watch the Eras tour for free
Speaker 2: at the movies. Yeah. Well, for Taylor, canceling this show
Speaker 2: wouldn't come lightly. She has such a genuine relationship with
Speaker 2: her fan base and she will do anything to avoid
Speaker 2: letting them down. In an interview for Times Person of
Speaker 2: the Year, Taylor said canceling a show is nearly never
Speaker 2: an option. So she said, I know I'm going on
Speaker 2: stage whether I'm sick, injured, heartbroken, uncomfortable or stressed. That's
Speaker 2: part of my identity as a human being. Now, if
Speaker 2: someone buys a ticket to my show, I'm.
Speaker 1: Going to play it.
Speaker 2: Since the cancelation, an interview of Taylor discussing her biggest
Speaker 2: fears has also gone viral. So in the twenty nineteen
Speaker 2: interview with Elle.
Speaker 1: Taylor admitted that her the biggest.
Speaker 2: Fear is violence breaking out at one of her concerts,
Speaker 2: and she recalled feeling terrified to go on tour for
Speaker 2: her twenty seventeen album Reputation following a string of violent
Speaker 2: attacks at recent festivals. So, if you'll cast your minds
Speaker 2: back to twenty seventeen, a suicide bomber killed twenty two
Speaker 2: people at injured hundreds at Ariana Grande's concert in Manchester,
Speaker 2: and five months later, a lone gunman murdered fifty eight
Speaker 2: people at an outdoor country music festival in Las Vegas. Now,
Speaker 2: Taylor said I was completely terrified to go on tour
Speaker 2: this time because I didn't know how we were going
Speaker 2: to keep three million fans safe over seven months. She
Speaker 2: did back it up by saying there was a tremendous
Speaker 2: amount of planning, expenses and effort put into keeping her
Speaker 2: fans safe during that tour. Another horrifying fact that Taylor
Speaker 2: revealed after these events was that she now carries around
Speaker 2: army grade bands dressing, which is specifically used for gunshot
Speaker 2: or stub wounds. This incident also comes less than a
Speaker 2: month after one of Taylor Swift's suspected stalkers was arrested
Speaker 2: while trying to enter one of her German shows. So
Speaker 2: an American man who hasn't been named came to the
Speaker 2: attention of authorities after he allegedly made threats on social
Speaker 2: media against Taylor Swift and also her boyfriend Travis kelce Now,
Speaker 2: Travis was in attendance at the concert, and this is
Speaker 2: just one of many stalkers that Taylor Swift has. In
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, she told Newsweek that she used facial recognition
Speaker 2: software at her concerts to identify her known stalkers on
Speaker 2: a data base. I was going to say, is they
Speaker 2: just like a print off of this man's photo at security?
Speaker 2: Now it's much more high tech than that. It is
Speaker 2: a really scary time for the couple because only a
Speaker 2: week ago, Travis Kelcey and a teammate received a threat
Speaker 2: where someone said that they were going to shoot them
Speaker 2: at a concert they were aut This wasn't a Taylor
Speaker 2: Swift concert, it was a Morgan Wollen concert. It's sad
Speaker 2: to see this because we saw during Coach Hella that
Speaker 2: Taylor and Travis were out and about. They were having
Speaker 2: a nice time at the festival. It seems they can't
Speaker 2: do this anymore after all of these threats.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there has been a.
Speaker 2: Lot of speculation around why Taylor hasn't publicly commented on
Speaker 2: the incident, Because when a fan died at one of
Speaker 2: her concerts in Brazil this year, she put out a comment.
Speaker 2: She also put out a comment about the Southport stabbing,
Speaker 2: so fans were anticipating that she was going to say
Speaker 2: something about this incident. I think it's because it's really
Speaker 2: unknown and she's probably been told by police, look, you
Speaker 2: can't officially put any information out there. Well. Initially fans
Speaker 2: thought that Taylor and her team may be holding off
Speaker 2: from making an announcement because they could be considering canceling
Speaker 2: her London shows, because she's supposed to be playing five
Speaker 2: shows at Wembley this week, which will bring the European
Speaker 2: leg of her tour to a close, and in the
Speaker 2: UK there is just so much political unrest at the moment.
Speaker 2: As we touched on two weeks ago, there were those
Speaker 2: terrible stabbings and Taylor said at the time that she
Speaker 2: was in complete shock over that attack. Now, London's mayor
Speaker 2: has confirmed that the concerts will go ahead, saying We're
Speaker 2: going to carry on, and he confirmed that authorities had
Speaker 2: adapted their surveillance of shows in London based on what
Speaker 2: they learned from the twenty seventeen attack on Ariana Grande's concert.
Speaker 2: I did see comments online. People were saying, well, if
Speaker 2: Wembley is secure enough for the royal family, surely it's
Speaker 2: secure enough.
Speaker 1: For Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And London has had a lot.
Speaker 2: Of experience in handling these kind of threats in the past,
Speaker 2: so out of any of the cities, I think London
Speaker 2: is best suited to handle this situation. Well. Authorities would
Speaker 2: be hoping that this is an isolated incident. I think
Speaker 2: that she stayed silent about these attacks because she's received
Speaker 2: advice from counter terrorist intelligence. So maybe they have told
Speaker 2: her that if she makes a public response, it could
Speaker 2: potentially fuel terrorists to target another show, because if she
Speaker 2: comes out and says, oh, this event has hit me
Speaker 2: so hard, it could incite more violence because they know
Speaker 2: that it had such an impact on her. I think
Speaker 2: that performing in London could be a real healing experience
Speaker 2: for Taylor and her fans. I think it their step
Speaker 2: in taking back the power. We have already seen Swifties
Speaker 2: in Vienna sending the message that love is stronger than terror,
Speaker 2: and these images have been going viral on TikTok. We've
Speaker 2: seen Swifties flooding the streets of Vienna to perform their
Speaker 2: own live rendition of the erarors to it. And these
Speaker 2: images are so powerful, particularly when Swifties marched to the
Speaker 2: Smallest Man who Ever Lived, which seems to be directed
Speaker 2: at the terror suspects. Well, the lyric that hit deep
Speaker 2: was when it said you were sent by someone who
Speaker 2: wanted me dead. They also sung Taylor's later single I
Speaker 2: Can Do It with a Broken Heart, as well as
Speaker 2: the ten minute version of All Too Well. For some reason,
Speaker 2: I just imagined middle aged men wanting to go out
Speaker 2: to the city to do some shopping and stumbling upon this. Well,
Speaker 2: it's very defiant of them, especially because of the threats
Speaker 2: that have been made to actually stand together in such
Speaker 2: a large group on the street. Well, I think they
Speaker 2: felt safe because the suspects had been arrested, and I
Speaker 2: think authorities said it seemed to be an eye isolated incident.
Speaker 2: It was just such a wholesome moment too, because there
Speaker 2: is another video going viral of a bride and groom
Speaker 2: who were in the streets of Vienna. They were hoping
Speaker 2: to get some photos and they ended up being followed
Speaker 2: by hundreds of swifties singing love Story and have you
Speaker 2: seen it? Because this video is iconic. It was just
Speaker 2: showing how love conquers everything. And one follower commented saying
Speaker 2: that these photos remind them of the Grinch movie. So
Speaker 2: in whose Fee when the Grinch stole Christmas, all of
Speaker 2: the citizens came out and sang Carol's together. And I
Speaker 2: think that these videos are so lovely because whilst we've
Speaker 2: seen the worst in humanity, it's also giving us a
Speaker 2: view of the best in humanity and how people are
Speaker 2: overcoming this.
Speaker 4: Obviously, there is you know, the media outlets, the gossip pages,
Speaker 4: the journalists, the reporters like all of the above, you know,
Speaker 4: having a field day.
Speaker 2: Former Married at First Sight contestants Ella and Dom have
Speaker 2: officially pulled the pin on their controversial podcas Sit with Us.
Speaker 2: The announcement follows months of speculation about the podcaster's friendship Amy.
Speaker 1: Can you tell us what happened?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So, on Thursday, Dom shared a statement in the
Speaker 2: Sit with Us Facebook group, saying she and Ella had
Speaker 2: come to a joint decision to end the podcast. She wrote,
Speaker 2: as I sit to write this, my heart is filled
Speaker 2: with gratitude for each and every one of you over
Speaker 2: the past two years. Your unwavering support has meant the
Speaker 2: world to me, and I want to take a moment
Speaker 2: to express my deepest thanks. From the very beginning, Ella
Speaker 2: and I dreamed of building something special, but we could
Speaker 2: never have imagined the amazing community that would grow from
Speaker 2: our idea. Each episode, each discussion, each shared story has
Speaker 2: been a labor of love, and know that our content
Speaker 2: has resonated with people from all corners of the world
Speaker 2: has been beyond rewarding. Now Don went on to thank
Speaker 2: the og listeners for their feedback, engagement, and encouragement, and
Speaker 2: said it was important they heard about the decision directly
Speaker 2: from her now. Following the statement, the Sit with Us
Speaker 2: Instagram and tik talk account were all deleted. I wonder
Speaker 2: if they're deleted or archived because she only someone wants
Speaker 2: to use that page for a different business. But maybe
Speaker 2: if there is something going on behind the scenes with
Speaker 2: this friendship, no one wants to actually take the account
Speaker 2: yet because that would cause more trouble. Well, Ella was
Speaker 2: a notable absentee from this statement, and as you said,
Speaker 2: it led many people to speculate that a friendship breakdown
Speaker 2: could be one of the main reasons for the podcast
Speaker 2: coming to an end. The other reason was due to
Speaker 2: widespread backlash the podcast is received, and this was for
Speaker 2: platforming Math's villain Jack on their show, who controversially told
Speaker 2: a contestant to muzzle his wife. Now, this episode attracted
Speaker 2: the attention of Abby Chatfield, who dedicated a whole episode
Speaker 2: on her own podcast to slamming Ella and Dom's decision
Speaker 2: to give Jack a platform, and it also led to
Speaker 2: Ella and Dom losing tens of thousands of followers on Instagram. Interestingly, though,
Speaker 2: Dom copped most of the criticism and she ends up
Speaker 2: checking herself into a mental health facility following all the
Speaker 2: backlash because it just became too much for her to bear. Now,
Speaker 2: as reported by so Dramatic, rumors have been flying that
Speaker 2: Ella was trying to distance herself from Dom following the controversy.
Speaker 2: The pair also haven't been seen together for months and
Speaker 2: haven't been liking or commenting on one another's photos, which
Speaker 2: I think is a telltale sign that perhaps this friendship
Speaker 2: is over. So dramatic also reported that dom has deleted
Speaker 2: photos from Ella's wedding.
Speaker 1: This seems like a breakup. It's a friendship broker.
Speaker 2: Well. Ella broke her silence on Friday, and she addressed
Speaker 2: the end of the podcast by releasing an Instagram story,
Speaker 2: Let's have a listen.
Speaker 4: I wanted to make my personal comment on the Seat
Speaker 4: with Us podcast and how yes, it has come.
Speaker 1: To an end. And it's not a sad thing. It's
Speaker 1: not a bad thing.
Speaker 4: It's a positive it's exciting.
Speaker 2: Ella then took a swipe at the media, saying not
Speaker 2: to believe everything you read online. Let's have a listen.
Speaker 4: Just want to remind you, guys, to not believe everything
Speaker 4: that you read online if you haven't learned from the past.
Speaker 1: But that is up to you, that is completely your choice.
Speaker 4: But just want to say here that there is no
Speaker 4: issues with Domini. There is no problems. It is just
Speaker 4: a chapter closing and that is okay, and all good
Speaker 4: things do come to an end.
Speaker 2: It really shows how damaging that one episode was for
Speaker 2: their overall brand.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, what's really fascinating is that the Sit with Us
Speaker 2: podcast actually had their best month when the controversial episode dropped,
Speaker 2: So that month they had one hundred and forty thousand
Speaker 2: people who listened to their podcast compared to the month
Speaker 2: prior when it was only fifty thousand listeners. So it
Speaker 2: really shows that controversy does get listeners, but it can
Speaker 2: have long lasting damaging effects to your brand. So but
Speaker 2: this just makes me think that clearly they have stopped
Speaker 2: their podcast because their friendship is over. Because if you
Speaker 2: have almost tripled your audience by creating controversy, why wouldn't
Speaker 2: you then have You know, they've had their time off.
Speaker 2: Dom's gone into the mental health facility, She's got better,
Speaker 2: They've given it a break. Why wouldn't you come back
Speaker 2: bigger and better than every I.
Speaker 1: Agree with you.
Speaker 2: I think there's been a clear rift in this friendship,
Speaker 2: and I think it started over this episode because maybe
Speaker 2: Dom felt like she was copying the blame and she
Speaker 2: didn't feel supported by Ella.
Speaker 1: However, if you.
Speaker 2: Think about it, there has been so much backlash about
Speaker 2: this episode. I can't imagine a lot of brands would
Speaker 2: want to align themselves with this podcast. I disagree because
Speaker 2: Aunt Dom and Ella still working as influencers. They're probably
Speaker 2: not finding it difficult to get jobs. Dom hasn't had
Speaker 2: a sponsored post since the incident, whereas Ella has had
Speaker 2: a number of sponsored posts, but that's due to the
Speaker 2: fact that Ella didn't copy it half as much as
Speaker 2: Dom did.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's all we've got time for today.
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