1 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 2: It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture 3 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 2: news twice a week. I'm Sophie Torber and coming up 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:17,159 Speaker 2: on today's show, Sarah's Day's Sunburn Strategy, the latest on 5 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: the Taylor Swift terror plot, and Ella and Don pull 6 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 2: the pin on their controversial podcast. But First, Sammy Robinson 7 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 2: has been spotted in the arms of another man. Now. 8 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 2: Back in May, Sammy appeared to soft launch Sammy Wilkes 9 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 2: in her video, who is a singer and American internet 10 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 2: personality who has over one point six million followers. Now, 11 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 2: whilst we didn't see his face in this book bunk video, 12 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 2: his voice and arm did appear in it, and he 13 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: was spotted wearing a bracelet with the initials sw. 14 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: Now, it wasn't long. 15 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 2: Before Super Slou's Put the Clues Together found out his 16 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 2: name and it was posted all over gossip sites. Now, 17 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 2: Sammy Wilkes lives in LA but Sammy has been spending 18 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 2: a fair bit of time there this year as she 19 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 2: grows one mile in the US. This is so confusing 20 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 2: Sammy and Sammy. I've always wondered if people get put 21 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: off from dating a person with a similar. 22 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: Or with the same name. 23 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 2: Well, it's like Sophie Kasha and Sophie vander Hoovel. Surely 24 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 2: becomes a problem at some point. Now, over the weekend, 25 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 2: our inbox was inundated with listeners sending through an Instagram 26 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 2: story of Sammy leaping into the arms of another man 27 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 2: and appearing. 28 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: To kiss him. 29 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 2: Now, for those who haven't seen it, I have to say, 30 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,559 Speaker 2: I am not convinced that this was a genuine kiss 31 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 2: because you saw her head and hair fling over him, 32 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 2: but you didn't actually see their lips touching, And there 33 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 2: was a lot of laughter after it. It seemed maybe 34 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 2: like a joke. What say, you're saying that they're just friends. 35 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 2: I think that they might just be friends because they 36 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 2: were hanging out after the City to surf, which they 37 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: both competed in with a number of friends. Now, this 38 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 2: guy is called Camera Carter, and he is the director 39 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 2: of a company called mister Sea, which appears to be 40 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: a marketing company, and on his Instagram account he mostly 41 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 2: posts about his work, and he posted a photo of 42 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: Sammy in June at fashion Week and she sent little 43 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 2: love hearts back to him, and he often shares fashion 44 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 2: photos of other celebrities wearing his client's clothes. So I 45 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 2: think that they're friends through business and work, and I 46 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:26,959 Speaker 2: think that they're perhaps having a bit of a laugh 47 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: to either make someone jealous or attract attention. Yeah, it's 48 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: an interesting move because they would know there's going to 49 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 2: be so much speculation online, especially when they're sharing videos 50 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 2: of what appears to be them kissing. It comes at 51 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,679 Speaker 2: an interesting time because over the weekend, Influencer Updates reported 52 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 2: that Sammy had unfollowed a guy called Sean Stevenson. Now 53 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 2: he is a New Zealand rugby player who she was 54 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 2: rumored to be dating previously, so she seems to be 55 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 2: getting rid of a bit of dead wood. She might 56 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 2: be entering her single girl era. As much as I 57 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 2: hate using that term, hot girl. 58 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: Summer on the horizon was. 59 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 3: A hat and sunnies for me and honestly hide me 60 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 3: from the world until I can just lay in the sun. 61 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: Fitness influencer Sarah's Day has caused a stir whilst holidaying 62 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 2: in Hawaii with her family. Despite spending an estimated forty 63 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 2: eight thousand dollars to fly her family of four business class, 64 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 2: the Divisive influencer spent the first day of her trip, 65 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 2: complaining about the price. 66 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: Of a Hawaiian coffee. 67 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 2: She also used a severe sunburn as an opportunity to 68 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 2: sell skincare Sophie Sarah wasn't overly impressed with her experience 69 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: with Quantus Business Class. No, I don't think the Quantus 70 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 2: team would have been overly wrapped with the content that. 71 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: She produced because she shared a real. 72 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 2: Detailing her experience flying Quantus Business Class with her husband 73 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 2: Kurt and their two kids, and they flew directly from 74 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 2: Sydney to Hawaii, which was a ten hour flight overnight. 75 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 2: Now this content is becoming quite popular on TikTok. I 76 00:03:55,800 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 2: recently saw beck Lomaz sharing about her experience flying first 77 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 2: class to the UK, and I love this whole fly 78 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 2: on the wall look at how the other half live, 79 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 2: because it is like another world up there. There are 80 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 2: lie down beds, there's restaurant quality food, and the amount 81 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 2: of space that you personally get is just obscene compared 82 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 2: to what people get in cattle class. There is a 83 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 2: big market for these reviews on aeroplane food. I've seen 84 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 2: them all over TikTok and I love watching them. Even 85 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 2: my seventeen year old dad will sit down on YouTube 86 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 2: and watch food reviews. Well, this is what I think 87 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 2: Sarah was going for, because in this reel she included 88 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 2: shots of her eating her entree and mane. But then 89 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 2: she said she decided not to give a review. 90 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:40,119 Speaker 1: Here's what she said. 91 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 3: Now, this was a night flat and we were flying business. 92 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 3: I was honestly really looking forward to the food. But 93 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 3: I don't want to be a downer, because usually I 94 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 3: will rave about these meals, but tonight I'm not even 95 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 3: going to give it a rating because I will genuinely. 96 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: Just be so savage. 97 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 3: Let's just say it didn't hit the mark for me. 98 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 2: For reference, she had ordered a pump can soup with 99 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 2: bread for entree and what looked like a bad tie 100 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 2: with lots of chicken for Maine. To me, whose only 101 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 2: experienced cattle class, the food looked pretty nice. I'm disappointed 102 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 2: that Sarah didn't go there, because I actually enjoy a 103 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 2: savage food review. I used to listen to Sam Magnan's 104 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 2: podcast literally Nobody Cares, and he is an avid first 105 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 2: class or business class flyer, and he would go into 106 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 2: the most hilarious detail about how shit some of these 107 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: meals actually were. 108 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 1: But it was all a bit of tongue in cheat. 109 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 2: I don't think that sort of review would have hit 110 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 2: the mark with Sarah's followers, though, because we're in such 111 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,239 Speaker 2: a tough economic crisis, the optics of complaining about flying 112 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: business class with your family of four whilst people can't 113 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 2: even afford to go on a holiday doesn't look good. 114 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 2: I get all of that, but I don't understand then 115 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 2: why she shared anything about it. Well, I think it 116 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 2: sounded like the taste of the food wasn't her only problem. 117 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 2: It was also the time that the food was served. 118 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 2: So the entree was served at nine thirty pm, mains 119 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: came out at eleven thirty pm, and breakfast was at 120 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 2: three am. And she explained that because of these times, 121 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 2: it was very difficult to get her son Malachi down 122 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 2: to sleep. It must be so tough traveling with kids. 123 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 2: I don't have kids, but now that we've got a nephew, 124 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 2: I'm like, everything is ten times harder when Kate brings 125 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 2: him out. 126 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: But can you imagine how much more difficult it is. 127 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 2: To get your kids to sleep in cattle class when 128 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 2: you don't have a bed and an individual spot for them. Well, 129 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 2: Sarah seems to have a thing with complaining about flights 130 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 2: to Hawaii, because she caused a lot of controversy a 131 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 2: few years ago when she flew Hawaiian Airlines and there 132 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 2: was a delay with her flight, and she bad mouth 133 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 2: the airlines so much she had her followers reaching out 134 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 2: to the company to complain. That's probably why she didn't 135 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 2: fly Hawaiian again. Maybe they wouldn't have her on board. 136 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 2: It's funny because she didn't actually point out that she 137 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 2: was flying Quantus in the video, but she did this 138 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 2: skincare routine in the bathroom, which says just how big 139 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 2: the first class and business class bathroom must be that 140 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 2: you'd want to be in there for longer than two seconds, 141 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 2: And she pulled on the iconic Quantus pajama, so it 142 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 2: was quite clear who she was flying with. She was 143 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 2: quite mindful to point out that she's heavily pregnant, and 144 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 2: she was very grateful for the lie down bed, but 145 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 2: she then said that she didn't get a wink of sleep, 146 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 2: so it was an interesting review. Now, this video was 147 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 2: juxtapositioned with Sarah then complaining about the cost of expensive 148 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 2: coffee in Hawaii. 149 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: Here's what she said. 150 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 3: Unfortunately for us, the Australian dollar. H like a coffee 151 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 3: here is like a normal coffee price. Let's say we 152 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,239 Speaker 3: would get a six dollar coffee. We're paying like, oh, 153 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 3: we're paying like ten dollars a coffee because when we 154 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 3: transferred our money for every dollar we transferred, we got 155 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 3: like sixty cents stub. 156 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 2: I've noticed this a lot with some influences, where they'll 157 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 2: drop all of this money on one thing, but then 158 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 2: cry poor or pretend that they're so relatable by complaining 159 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 2: about an everyday item like. 160 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: The cost of a coffee. 161 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 2: It's their way to have a relatable moment with their followers, 162 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 2: because the majority of the population loves to complain about 163 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 2: coffee and how overpriced it is. But it didn't really 164 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 2: land well, seeing as we've just seen her drop an 165 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 2: excessive amount of money on flying business class with a 166 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 2: family of four, just to point out how expensive these 167 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 2: tickets are. I search quantas at this time of year, 168 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 2: and one business class ticket to Hawaii from Sydney costs 169 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 2: six thousand dollars. So to fly business class return for 170 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 2: a family of four that works out to forty eight 171 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,119 Speaker 2: thousand dollars, and that is before you've then spent money 172 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 2: on accommodation and expensive coffees. I wonder if this trip 173 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 2: could be considered a tax deeduction for Sarah because she 174 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 2: is filming her content over there. 175 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: Oh, surely not. 176 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 2: I think that that would be a bit of an 177 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 2: over exaggeration. Yeah, but so many influencers would do it 178 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 2: because they are actually doing their job overseas. 179 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: She might be able to actually get. 180 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 2: Some form of tax reduction for half the trip for example. Well, 181 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 2: a follower did point out the irony of her coffee complaints, saying, 182 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 2: it's slightly funny to spend that much money on flights 183 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 2: but complain about the ten dollar coffee in Hawaii. I'm 184 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 2: sure that person was swiftly deleted. Well no, so the 185 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 2: comment got one hundred and two likes, and Sarah replied 186 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 2: with a laughing face, saying, it's the principal and what 187 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 2: I'm getting for money, it makes sense in my mind. 188 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 2: I think the irony of this comment was further backed 189 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 2: up by the fact that they are staying at this 190 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 2: luxurious ocean front villa. 191 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 1: This place looked absolutely insane. 192 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 2: You walk out the front and it's literally got the 193 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 2: grass which leads you down to the beach. I would 194 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 2: hate to think how much this goes. I mean, the 195 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 2: whole thing is it's her money and she can spend 196 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 2: it however she likes. But I think it just looks 197 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,599 Speaker 2: a bit disingenuous when you're complaining about the cost of 198 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 2: a coffee and then you're staying at this kind of accommodation. Yeah, 199 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 2: it was quite interesting because at the end of Sarah's 200 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 2: video about Quantus, she finished by saying this. 201 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: I looked disgusting. 202 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 3: So it was a hat and sunnies for me, and 203 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 3: honestly hide me from the world until I can just 204 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 3: lay in the sun. 205 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 2: And Sarah really didn't waste time spending her first day 206 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 2: of the holiday lying in the sun in a bikini 207 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 2: with no sun cream on. So the next day, probably 208 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 2: realizing it would be impossible to hide this burn as 209 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 2: she was red raw all over her pregnant belly and chest, 210 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 2: she addressed her on her stories, writing I've been so 211 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 2: diligent in my adult years, but wow, I messed up 212 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,439 Speaker 2: on day one of the Hawaiian Sun after coming out 213 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 2: of Sydney winter. I don't even want to show you 214 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 2: the aftermath anyway. 215 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 3: I just wanted to update you here because I left 216 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 3: you hanging with that whole like I'm so mad at 217 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 3: my sunburn. 218 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 1: I am I mad at myself, not of myself. 219 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 3: I'm not even going to give you my excuse because 220 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 3: it's like, cringe, my excuse, it's cringe, and it just 221 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 3: makes no sense anyway. Sucks to be me, but not really, 222 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 3: it doesn't really suck to be me. No, it sucks 223 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 3: for my skin and my future self with my skin. 224 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 3: But you know you went se me looser. 225 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: I want to reiterate that. 226 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 2: She pointed out that she wasn't proud of this, and 227 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 2: she was quite embarrassed about it, But despite being ashamed 228 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,719 Speaker 2: of the burn, she used it as an opportunity to 229 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 2: slip in what I guess she saw as being an 230 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 2: authentic ad. So. She has been working with skincare brand 231 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 2: Esme for a number of years now and uploaded a 232 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 2: video whilst in Hawaii for their after sun gel. The 233 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 2: product describes itself as taking the heat out of exposed 234 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 2: skin with Alavira calming sunburn. Here's part of what she 235 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 2: said in the ad. 236 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 3: Yay, we're here in Hawaii, but what is wrong with me? 237 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 3: How did I do this? 238 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: On day one? 239 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 3: Like a lot of you guys have commented and said 240 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 3: that when you're pregnant you're more susceptible to sunburn. 241 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: But no, I'm just an idiot and I didn't reapply, 242 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 1: so I don't even think I had sunscreen on this day. 243 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: I don't even know it was day one anyway. 244 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 3: Pro tip if you do happen to get sunburned, or 245 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 3: just even after a day in the sun, I lather 246 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 3: myself in this Sun's Skills after sunngel. It has both 247 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 3: aliverra and hyleronic acid, green tea, peppermin extract. It's just 248 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 3: full of all the good stuff to rehydrate your skin 249 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 3: and just soothe any kind of burning. 250 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 2: I want to point out that nowhere in this real 251 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 2: all the countless stories that she uploaded about esme, did 252 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 2: she include the word ad or paid partnership, which is 253 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 2: such a trend at the moment. Nor one is using 254 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 2: the paid partnership tools, which is so disappointing. Infuriates me 255 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 2: so much because it's really not that difficult to do, 256 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 2: and it's I mean, it is clear that it's now 257 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 2: because she managed to include her freshly updated thirty percent 258 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 2: off code. Surely, though she hasn't just gone and burned 259 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 2: herself in order to promote this product. This was a 260 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 2: thought that was echoed by Influenza updates au and I 261 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 2: personally don't think that she intentionally burnt herself for the 262 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 2: sake of this content. I don't think that she cares 263 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 2: that much about her partnership with Esme. I think that 264 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 2: she thought perhaps on this trip, she'd get more of 265 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 2: a gradual tan when she was over there, and she 266 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 2: could use the alleverra in some content. She is very 267 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 2: clever though. She knows what gets clicks, and she explained 268 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 2: on her story that she already had two thousand people 269 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 2: message her giving her advice on her burn. So she 270 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 2: probably thought that this was a lucrative opportunity for her 271 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 2: ad to perform. Well, maybe she could sign esme on 272 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 2: for another year. I mean, I'd never heard heard of 273 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 2: this after sun gel, it sounds pretty good. Well, she 274 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 2: was obviously preempting a burn. It's funny because Sarah said 275 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 2: in her Instagram story, Oh, I'm normally so good. But 276 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 2: she's had a real checkered past of promoting tanning. Yeah, 277 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 2: she's been criticized in the past for sharing about burns, 278 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 2: since she's known for someone who doesn't generally fake tan, 279 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 2: but she prefers to sit outside in the sun when 280 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 2: she's working on her computer in the hope of getting 281 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 2: a natural tan. 282 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:29,719 Speaker 1: And this is this is. 283 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 2: Quite damaging rhetoric, because no tan is safe. 284 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: Even if you're sitting. 285 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 2: Out in the sun and you're not getting burnt, that 286 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 2: tan is a sign that your skin is damaged. And 287 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 2: despite the fact that she said she felt ashamed, I 288 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 2: felt like she was kind of using that as a 289 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 2: disclaimer to then give her a free pass to show 290 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 2: off the burn. 291 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, because like it's this badge of honor. 292 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 2: Sometimes. I've seen so many influencers do this. You can 293 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 2: tell they're proud because they're like, oh, it's going to 294 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 2: turn brown. I have seen this a lot with a 295 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 2: couple of the UK influences I follow, and I understand 296 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 2: that they don't have the education in sun safety that 297 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:12,599 Speaker 2: we have in Australia, but it is a really worrying trend. 298 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 2: The Era's tour has become a safe place for so 299 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 2: many Swifties. The atmosphere is magical as fans exchange friendship 300 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 2: bracelets and showcase outfits that have been months in the making. 301 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 2: Fans in Vienna were preparing to have the night of 302 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 2: their lives, unaware that four teenagers were planning a chilling 303 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 2: terror plot. Sophie what has unfolded so far? 304 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 3: Well. 305 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 2: On Wednesday, authorities were forced to cancel the Vienna leg 306 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 2: of Taylor Swift's Eras tour after foiling a planned terrorist 307 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 2: attack at the stadium. Now three teenagers have been arrested 308 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 2: and one is being questioned over the incident. Now the 309 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 2: main suspect has been revealed as a nineteen year old 310 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 2: called Baran A who is an old Austrian citizen. He 311 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 2: is believed to have pledged allegiance to Islamic State in 312 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 2: the last month and has been radicalized online. 313 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: He had a. 314 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 2: Seventeen year old, eighteen year old and a fifteen year 315 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 2: old working as his accomplices. Now Bahrain confessed to planning 316 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 2: to kill as many people as possible outside the concert venue. 317 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 2: He intended on carrying out an attack in the area 318 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 2: outside the stadium by driving his car into the crowds 319 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 2: before using knives, machetes and homemade explosive devices. Bomb making 320 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 2: materials were also found during a raid of his house. 321 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 2: And what is even more chilling is his seventeen year 322 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 2: old accomplice is believed to have been employed as a 323 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 2: security guard for the concert and would have carried out 324 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 2: the attack. From insight that happened, I just can't get 325 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 2: over the absolute horror and confusion that would have played out. 326 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 2: To think that a security guard who is there to 327 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 2: protect fans would then turn into the attacker is just 328 00:15:57,880 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 2: pure evil. 329 00:15:58,560 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: It makes me feel so sick. 330 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 2: And give it from a social media perspective, each night 331 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 2: this concert is live streamed, everyone has their phone out 332 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 2: filming every moment. For TikTok, there would have been absolutely 333 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 2: horrifying clip. 334 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 4: And this is a. 335 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 2: Place predominantly where young women can unashamably be themselves. They 336 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 2: can dance around, be silly, where costumes, they're encouraged to 337 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 2: make friends with people in the crowd. It is also 338 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 2: so terrifying that not only were these teenagers planning to 339 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 2: set off a bomb, but they were going to cause 340 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 2: mass deaths through stabbing as many people as possible. And 341 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 2: this comes off the back of the Southport stabbing where 342 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 2: three little girls were stabbed to death at a Taylor 343 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 2: Swift theme event in the UK, and closer to home, 344 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 2: just a couple of months ago, we saw women and 345 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 2: a baby being stabbed at Westfield Bondi Junction, and that again, 346 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 2: was supposed to be such a safe and happy space 347 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 2: for women. 348 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: I felt so. 349 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 2: Angry when I saw this come out because I've seen 350 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 2: so many recent videos of tens of thousands of fans 351 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 2: who wait outside the concert, all of those who have 352 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 2: been unable to get tickets, and the thought of them 353 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 2: being mowed down by cars just made me feel sick. Well, 354 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 2: whilst there were sixty five thousand fans expected in the stadium, 355 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 2: around twenty to thirty thousand were going to be gathering outside, 356 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 2: and we saw incredible scenes in Germany recently where thousands 357 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 2: of fans swarmed a nearby hill to listen to the concert, 358 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 2: and it was such a beautiful site because the crowd 359 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 2: was sitting there on picnic rugs, singing along to Taylor Swift. 360 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 2: And it's disgusting to think that someone would see this 361 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 2: joy and think, how can I destroy this and how 362 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 2: can I take this opportunity and turn it into absolute chaos. Now, 363 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 2: the main suspect told authorities that he began planning this 364 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 2: attack last month, so he uploaded to the internet his 365 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 2: oath of allegiance to the current head of isis two 366 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 2: days before the planned attacks. And it's so lucky that 367 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 2: this tip off came just a day before the concert 368 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 2: was going to take place. And this actually came through 369 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 2: US into intelligence services, who informed their Austrian counterparts. Well, 370 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 2: the first place I saw this announcement was on Taylor Nation, 371 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 2: which is Taylor's official management team, and at the time 372 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 2: of recording, Taylor Swift hasn't officially posted about the cancelation, 373 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 2: but there are reports she's offering fans in Vienna the 374 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 2: opportunity to go and watch the Eras tour for free 375 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 2: at the movies. Yeah. Well, for Taylor, canceling this show 376 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 2: wouldn't come lightly. She has such a genuine relationship with 377 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 2: her fan base and she will do anything to avoid 378 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 2: letting them down. In an interview for Times Person of 379 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 2: the Year, Taylor said canceling a show is nearly never 380 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 2: an option. So she said, I know I'm going on 381 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 2: stage whether I'm sick, injured, heartbroken, uncomfortable or stressed. That's 382 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 2: part of my identity as a human being. Now, if 383 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 2: someone buys a ticket to my show, I'm. 384 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: Going to play it. 385 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 2: Since the cancelation, an interview of Taylor discussing her biggest 386 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 2: fears has also gone viral. So in the twenty nineteen 387 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 2: interview with Elle. 388 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: Taylor admitted that her the biggest. 389 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 2: Fear is violence breaking out at one of her concerts, 390 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 2: and she recalled feeling terrified to go on tour for 391 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 2: her twenty seventeen album Reputation following a string of violent 392 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 2: attacks at recent festivals. So, if you'll cast your minds 393 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 2: back to twenty seventeen, a suicide bomber killed twenty two 394 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 2: people at injured hundreds at Ariana Grande's concert in Manchester, 395 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 2: and five months later, a lone gunman murdered fifty eight 396 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 2: people at an outdoor country music festival in Las Vegas. Now, 397 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 2: Taylor said I was completely terrified to go on tour 398 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 2: this time because I didn't know how we were going 399 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 2: to keep three million fans safe over seven months. She 400 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 2: did back it up by saying there was a tremendous 401 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 2: amount of planning, expenses and effort put into keeping her 402 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 2: fans safe during that tour. Another horrifying fact that Taylor 403 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 2: revealed after these events was that she now carries around 404 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 2: army grade bands dressing, which is specifically used for gunshot 405 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 2: or stub wounds. This incident also comes less than a 406 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 2: month after one of Taylor Swift's suspected stalkers was arrested 407 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 2: while trying to enter one of her German shows. So 408 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 2: an American man who hasn't been named came to the 409 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 2: attention of authorities after he allegedly made threats on social 410 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 2: media against Taylor Swift and also her boyfriend Travis kelce Now, 411 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 2: Travis was in attendance at the concert, and this is 412 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,199 Speaker 2: just one of many stalkers that Taylor Swift has. In 413 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, she told Newsweek that she used facial recognition 414 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 2: software at her concerts to identify her known stalkers on 415 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 2: a data base. I was going to say, is they 416 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 2: just like a print off of this man's photo at security? 417 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 2: Now it's much more high tech than that. It is 418 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 2: a really scary time for the couple because only a 419 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 2: week ago, Travis Kelcey and a teammate received a threat 420 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 2: where someone said that they were going to shoot them 421 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 2: at a concert they were aut This wasn't a Taylor 422 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 2: Swift concert, it was a Morgan Wollen concert. It's sad 423 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 2: to see this because we saw during Coach Hella that 424 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 2: Taylor and Travis were out and about. They were having 425 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 2: a nice time at the festival. It seems they can't 426 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 2: do this anymore after all of these threats. 427 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, there has been a. 428 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 2: Lot of speculation around why Taylor hasn't publicly commented on 429 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 2: the incident, Because when a fan died at one of 430 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 2: her concerts in Brazil this year, she put out a comment. 431 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 2: She also put out a comment about the Southport stabbing, 432 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 2: so fans were anticipating that she was going to say 433 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 2: something about this incident. I think it's because it's really 434 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 2: unknown and she's probably been told by police, look, you 435 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 2: can't officially put any information out there. Well. Initially fans 436 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 2: thought that Taylor and her team may be holding off 437 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 2: from making an announcement because they could be considering canceling 438 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 2: her London shows, because she's supposed to be playing five 439 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 2: shows at Wembley this week, which will bring the European 440 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,719 Speaker 2: leg of her tour to a close, and in the 441 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 2: UK there is just so much political unrest at the moment. 442 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 2: As we touched on two weeks ago, there were those 443 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 2: terrible stabbings and Taylor said at the time that she 444 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 2: was in complete shock over that attack. Now, London's mayor 445 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 2: has confirmed that the concerts will go ahead, saying We're 446 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 2: going to carry on, and he confirmed that authorities had 447 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 2: adapted their surveillance of shows in London based on what 448 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 2: they learned from the twenty seventeen attack on Ariana Grande's concert. 449 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 2: I did see comments online. People were saying, well, if 450 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 2: Wembley is secure enough for the royal family, surely it's 451 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 2: secure enough. 452 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: For Taylor Swift. 453 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 454 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: And London has had a lot. 455 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 2: Of experience in handling these kind of threats in the past, 456 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,719 Speaker 2: so out of any of the cities, I think London 457 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 2: is best suited to handle this situation. Well. Authorities would 458 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 2: be hoping that this is an isolated incident. I think 459 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 2: that she stayed silent about these attacks because she's received 460 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 2: advice from counter terrorist intelligence. So maybe they have told 461 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 2: her that if she makes a public response, it could 462 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 2: potentially fuel terrorists to target another show, because if she 463 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 2: comes out and says, oh, this event has hit me 464 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 2: so hard, it could incite more violence because they know 465 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 2: that it had such an impact on her. I think 466 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 2: that performing in London could be a real healing experience 467 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 2: for Taylor and her fans. I think it their step 468 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 2: in taking back the power. We have already seen Swifties 469 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 2: in Vienna sending the message that love is stronger than terror, 470 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 2: and these images have been going viral on TikTok. We've 471 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 2: seen Swifties flooding the streets of Vienna to perform their 472 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 2: own live rendition of the erarors to it. And these 473 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 2: images are so powerful, particularly when Swifties marched to the 474 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 2: Smallest Man who Ever Lived, which seems to be directed 475 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 2: at the terror suspects. Well, the lyric that hit deep 476 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 2: was when it said you were sent by someone who 477 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 2: wanted me dead. They also sung Taylor's later single I 478 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,239 Speaker 2: Can Do It with a Broken Heart, as well as 479 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 2: the ten minute version of All Too Well. For some reason, 480 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 2: I just imagined middle aged men wanting to go out 481 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 2: to the city to do some shopping and stumbling upon this. Well, 482 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 2: it's very defiant of them, especially because of the threats 483 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 2: that have been made to actually stand together in such 484 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 2: a large group on the street. Well, I think they 485 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 2: felt safe because the suspects had been arrested, and I 486 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 2: think authorities said it seemed to be an eye isolated incident. 487 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 2: It was just such a wholesome moment too, because there 488 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 2: is another video going viral of a bride and groom 489 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 2: who were in the streets of Vienna. They were hoping 490 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 2: to get some photos and they ended up being followed 491 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 2: by hundreds of swifties singing love Story and have you 492 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 2: seen it? Because this video is iconic. It was just 493 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 2: showing how love conquers everything. And one follower commented saying 494 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 2: that these photos remind them of the Grinch movie. So 495 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 2: in whose Fee when the Grinch stole Christmas, all of 496 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 2: the citizens came out and sang Carol's together. And I 497 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 2: think that these videos are so lovely because whilst we've 498 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 2: seen the worst in humanity, it's also giving us a 499 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 2: view of the best in humanity and how people are 500 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 2: overcoming this. 501 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 4: Obviously, there is you know, the media outlets, the gossip pages, 502 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 4: the journalists, the reporters like all of the above, you know, 503 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 4: having a field day. 504 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 2: Former Married at First Sight contestants Ella and Dom have 505 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 2: officially pulled the pin on their controversial podcas Sit with Us. 506 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 2: The announcement follows months of speculation about the podcaster's friendship Amy. 507 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: Can you tell us what happened? 508 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 2: Yeah? So, on Thursday, Dom shared a statement in the 509 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 2: Sit with Us Facebook group, saying she and Ella had 510 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 2: come to a joint decision to end the podcast. She wrote, 511 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 2: as I sit to write this, my heart is filled 512 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 2: with gratitude for each and every one of you over 513 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 2: the past two years. Your unwavering support has meant the 514 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 2: world to me, and I want to take a moment 515 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 2: to express my deepest thanks. From the very beginning, Ella 516 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 2: and I dreamed of building something special, but we could 517 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 2: never have imagined the amazing community that would grow from 518 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 2: our idea. Each episode, each discussion, each shared story has 519 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 2: been a labor of love, and know that our content 520 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 2: has resonated with people from all corners of the world 521 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 2: has been beyond rewarding. Now Don went on to thank 522 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 2: the og listeners for their feedback, engagement, and encouragement, and 523 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 2: said it was important they heard about the decision directly 524 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 2: from her now. Following the statement, the Sit with Us 525 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 2: Instagram and tik talk account were all deleted. I wonder 526 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 2: if they're deleted or archived because she only someone wants 527 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 2: to use that page for a different business. But maybe 528 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 2: if there is something going on behind the scenes with 529 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 2: this friendship, no one wants to actually take the account 530 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 2: yet because that would cause more trouble. Well, Ella was 531 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 2: a notable absentee from this statement, and as you said, 532 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 2: it led many people to speculate that a friendship breakdown 533 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 2: could be one of the main reasons for the podcast 534 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 2: coming to an end. The other reason was due to 535 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 2: widespread backlash the podcast is received, and this was for 536 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 2: platforming Math's villain Jack on their show, who controversially told 537 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 2: a contestant to muzzle his wife. Now, this episode attracted 538 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 2: the attention of Abby Chatfield, who dedicated a whole episode 539 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 2: on her own podcast to slamming Ella and Dom's decision 540 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 2: to give Jack a platform, and it also led to 541 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 2: Ella and Dom losing tens of thousands of followers on Instagram. Interestingly, though, 542 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 2: Dom copped most of the criticism and she ends up 543 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 2: checking herself into a mental health facility following all the 544 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 2: backlash because it just became too much for her to bear. Now, 545 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 2: as reported by so Dramatic, rumors have been flying that 546 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 2: Ella was trying to distance herself from Dom following the controversy. 547 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 2: The pair also haven't been seen together for months and 548 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 2: haven't been liking or commenting on one another's photos, which 549 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 2: I think is a telltale sign that perhaps this friendship 550 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 2: is over. So dramatic also reported that dom has deleted 551 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 2: photos from Ella's wedding. 552 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: This seems like a breakup. It's a friendship broker. 553 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 2: Well. Ella broke her silence on Friday, and she addressed 554 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 2: the end of the podcast by releasing an Instagram story, 555 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 2: Let's have a listen. 556 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 4: I wanted to make my personal comment on the Seat 557 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 4: with Us podcast and how yes, it has come. 558 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: To an end. And it's not a sad thing. It's 559 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: not a bad thing. 560 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 4: It's a positive it's exciting. 561 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 2: Ella then took a swipe at the media, saying not 562 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 2: to believe everything you read online. Let's have a listen. 563 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 4: Just want to remind you, guys, to not believe everything 564 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 4: that you read online if you haven't learned from the past. 565 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: But that is up to you, that is completely your choice. 566 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 4: But just want to say here that there is no 567 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 4: issues with Domini. There is no problems. It is just 568 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 4: a chapter closing and that is okay, and all good 569 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 4: things do come to an end. 570 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 2: It really shows how damaging that one episode was for 571 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 2: their overall brand. 572 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. 573 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 2: Well, what's really fascinating is that the Sit with Us 574 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 2: podcast actually had their best month when the controversial episode dropped, 575 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 2: So that month they had one hundred and forty thousand 576 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 2: people who listened to their podcast compared to the month 577 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 2: prior when it was only fifty thousand listeners. So it 578 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 2: really shows that controversy does get listeners, but it can 579 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 2: have long lasting damaging effects to your brand. So but 580 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 2: this just makes me think that clearly they have stopped 581 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 2: their podcast because their friendship is over. Because if you 582 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 2: have almost tripled your audience by creating controversy, why wouldn't 583 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 2: you then have You know, they've had their time off. 584 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 2: Dom's gone into the mental health facility, She's got better, 585 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 2: They've given it a break. Why wouldn't you come back 586 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 2: bigger and better than every I. 587 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: Agree with you. 588 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 2: I think there's been a clear rift in this friendship, 589 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 2: and I think it started over this episode because maybe 590 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 2: Dom felt like she was copying the blame and she 591 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 2: didn't feel supported by Ella. 592 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: However, if you. 593 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 2: Think about it, there has been so much backlash about 594 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 2: this episode. I can't imagine a lot of brands would 595 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 2: want to align themselves with this podcast. I disagree because 596 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 2: Aunt Dom and Ella still working as influencers. They're probably 597 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 2: not finding it difficult to get jobs. Dom hasn't had 598 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 2: a sponsored post since the incident, whereas Ella has had 599 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 2: a number of sponsored posts, but that's due to the 600 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 2: fact that Ella didn't copy it half as much as 601 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 2: Dom did. 602 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: Well, I think that's all we've got time for today. 603 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to another episode of Outspoken. 604 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,239 Speaker 2: Don't forget to go and follow us on Instagram and 605 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 2: on TikTok at Outspoken Underscore the Underscore Podcast. Thank you 606 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 2: for all of the positive feedback we had on our 607 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 2: video about the Olympic chocolate muffins. If you want to 608 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 2: see more cooking stuff, let us know. We want to 609 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 2: do a few more trends. This episode was recorded on 610 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 2: the traditional end of the Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. 611 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 2: We pay respect to elders past and present.