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Speaker 1: Joining me in the studio is the Chief Minister, Michael Gunner.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Yeah, well have you recovered from all your

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Speaker 1: luxA eating?

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Speaker 2: I think I have to take a break from luxA

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Speaker 2: for a while. It's a big lot of luxA.

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Speaker 3: It's a big call to not eat luxA for a while.

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Speaker 3: Do you mean just a week.

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Speaker 4: Or contest a couple of days off? In some way

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Speaker 4: it's controversial for choks to go back to back. Nothing

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Speaker 4: against chos, but there's just so much good luxA in

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Speaker 4: the territory that you know, Amry or a Yade or

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Speaker 4: Ronde or a deck Bar or Eleasa's or the list

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Speaker 4: can go.

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Speaker 2: On and on and on.

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Speaker 4: To go back to back is quite an extraordinary effort.

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Speaker 4: Lots of bragging rights out at Chalk's Place right now.

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Speaker 1: Good on them and a great event. Lots of people

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Speaker 1: out there, lots of people enjoying that. Now we know

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Speaker 1: that today the Northern Territory is opening the borders to

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Speaker 1: the whole of Victoria. Melbourne residents are going to be

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Speaker 1: able to travel to the Northern Territory for the first

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Speaker 1: time since the second wave of COVID. With Melbourne being

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Speaker 1: removed though from the territories list of coronavirus hotspots from today,

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Speaker 1: more people are expected to come here to the territory,

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Speaker 1: which is obviously good thing. Chief are you feeling confident

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Speaker 1: as those borders open to Melbourne, effectively opening the Northern

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Speaker 1: territory up to all of Australia.

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Speaker 4: I think the first few times that we lifted the

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Speaker 4: borders with a lot of nervousness. I think now we

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Speaker 4: know what we're doing, and if anything, I probably feel

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Speaker 4: most confident about Victoria. They've had extraordinary self discipline to

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Speaker 4: get to where they've got to, so they're probably the

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Speaker 4: safest of everyone that we've let in. They're now technically

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Speaker 4: got coronavirus eliminated in Victoria. They're not obviously taking any

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Speaker 4: internationals in. There's probably our strongest risk at the moment,

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Speaker 4: they're not doing that. So there there's been no coronavirus

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Speaker 4: in Victoria for what thirty two through three days.

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Speaker 2: I've almost lost count. Now they've had that many donuts.

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Speaker 4: So I feel very confident around Victorian's coming in, Malbournian's

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Speaker 4: sorry coming in and just again just a huge tick

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Speaker 4: to them what they've done. I don't think any of

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Speaker 4: us will ever appreciate, really the extent of that lockdown

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Speaker 4: physically go through that. But they're very welcome now into

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Speaker 4: the territory.

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Speaker 1: Now we know that those additional contact tracing measures set

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Speaker 1: to come into play today.

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Speaker 3: Are businesses ready so probably a.

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Speaker 4: Cup all important things to note here. Google is absolutely ready.

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Speaker 4: I believe businesses by and large are ready. We've said

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Speaker 4: you can have pen and paper. You probably do need

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Speaker 4: to have some pen and paper available because not everyone

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Speaker 4: has a phone.

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Speaker 2: The Apple store hasn't updated yet.

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Speaker 4: Apparently they got very busy over the Black Friday Thanksgiving sales.

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Speaker 4: I apologize, won't my aavid about that. I'm not really

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Speaker 4: into the Black Friday scene. But so Apple should be

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Speaker 4: ready by midday, we're hoping. So we'll be talking with

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Speaker 4: them a lot. Google is Apple's Apples watching way, and

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Speaker 4: the pen and paper.

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Speaker 2: Should be ready.

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Speaker 1: So does that mean that the QR code isn't necessarily

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Speaker 1: ready to go at these points?

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Speaker 4: So the QR code is ready for anyone of an

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Speaker 4: Android phone. Apple, We've been talking with them. They said

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Speaker 4: they've got busy over the weekend of the Thanksgiving sales

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Speaker 4: and haven't put into their Apple app store yet where

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Speaker 4: hopefully it will be up by midday. Apples say, not

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Speaker 4: far away, but you can download the app right now

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Speaker 4: in our Android. It's not available yet on the Apple Phone.

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Speaker 4: So I just wanted to make sure people realize that

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Speaker 4: we're across it. We're talking to Apple about giving it

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Speaker 4: a little bit a hurry out that they recognize that

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Speaker 4: we want it by midday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I reckon.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 1: So in the meantime, though, what if you advised businesses

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Speaker 1: to do they need to just get out the old

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so they're probably going to have to have pen

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Speaker 4: and paper anyway for those people who didn't have a phone,

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Speaker 4: but obviously Apples probably I'm gonna say half the phones

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Speaker 4: out there are Apple. You have it slightly more demand

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Speaker 4: first instance. But also, let's be clear, we're not coming

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Speaker 4: first couple of days. This is about getting used to

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Speaker 4: the fact we've got a QR code coming in. Police

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Speaker 4: environmental health officers are going to go from an education

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Speaker 4: point of view in the first in the first little

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Speaker 4: while not in the enforcement point of views, but getting

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Speaker 4: people into the habit of having the QR code and

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Speaker 4: the additional layer of tracing.

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Speaker 1: It's a bit of a stuff up, though, isn't it

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Speaker 1: for us to not have the QR codes ready to

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Speaker 1: go on the on the Apple phones.

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Speaker 4: Also, we lodged all when we should and you know

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Speaker 4: Google got it done in time, so we are confident

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Speaker 4: that we did what we need to do.

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Speaker 2: From our end, Apple are apologetic.

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Speaker 4: They're saying they just got busy with the Black fried

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Speaker 4: and it should be fine today. So look, I understand

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Speaker 4: where you're coming from, but I've asked those questions myself,

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Speaker 4: and they say, you know, we gave them all the

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Speaker 4: those you normally you should give for something to go

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Speaker 4: into the Apple store, and Apple store is are saying

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Speaker 1: Well, goodness may hopefully they get that under control, but

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Speaker 1: in the meantime, everybody will still be taking those names,

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Speaker 1: phone numbers on those pieces of paper, so that we

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Speaker 1: do have that additional measure in place to keep people safe.

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Speaker 4: And can I just make sure that some business out

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Speaker 4: there aren't panicking. I've said this before, we'll say it again.

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Speaker 4: A lot of places are already doing what they need to do.

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Speaker 4: You don't need to duplicate. So if you're in a

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Speaker 4: it a second layer. You're already doing what you need

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Speaker 4: to do to keep those contact details. Most of the

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Speaker 4: clubs out there, like Trailer Boat Club are basically doing

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Speaker 4: what they need to do already. We don't want duplication,

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Speaker 4: just you know, we need you have those details available

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Speaker 4: about you know, name and number and time you checked

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Speaker 4: Don't try and do a second layer if you don't

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Speaker 3: Now, Chief, let's talk about police on boarders.

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Speaker 1: As I understand it, Even though there are obviously no

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Speaker 1: active COVID nineteen hot spots, police are still going to

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Speaker 1: be on the borders for the foreseeable future. The Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory Police Association is calling for officers to be removed

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Speaker 1: from the smaller, more remote border checkpoints to offer them

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Speaker 1: some long overdue respite and Dan, you will leave. Is

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Speaker 1: it something that you're considering?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Can I say, Look, I'm very open to this and

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Speaker 4: sympathetic to this, as is the Police Commissioner and the

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Speaker 4: Police Minister. If you think right, it feels like you know,

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Speaker 4: five six years ago, but if you think right back

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Speaker 4: stage that we're going to give I think we've one

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Speaker 4: or two replication cycles. Notice, we're going to look at

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Speaker 4: taking the police off those border points. We're now looking

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Speaker 4: at having the border controls in place till end of

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Speaker 4: next year. But whether that's staffed or not something else

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Speaker 4: that we're working through now. I think we want to

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Speaker 4: see how the QR codes land and a few things

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Speaker 4: like that, but we're actively looking at to what extent

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Speaker 4: do you need some of these places staffed or not.

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Speaker 4: Completely understand where the Police Association is coming from, and

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Speaker 4: I just want to double down what the Police Association

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Speaker 4: it feels a bit mean to say a teachers and

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Speaker 4: others have done similar things. Police this year have essentially

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Speaker 4: what's happening right now of coronavirus and that. So I

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Speaker 4: absolutely agree that there's a number of territory public servants

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Speaker 2: Then you leave that might otherwise have taken.

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Speaker 4: And I think they do due that chop out, But

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Speaker 4: you want to make sure we do it in a

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Speaker 2: We see how the QR code lands.

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Speaker 4: I've got confidence we can always stand up a border

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Speaker 2: That's not an issue.

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Speaker 4: It's about making sure in packing it down that were

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Speaker 4: not sorry, that's probably quite not the wrong phrase, but

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Speaker 4: transitioning our staffing that we have a clear plan place

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Speaker 4: about how and when we do that. That provides territori

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I spoke to the Police Association or FEAR

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Speaker 1: some of those quieter locations, there's four police officers on

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Speaker 4: So we're adjusted a few times the interdiction points and

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Speaker 4: I think people can appreciate that. But now that we've

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Speaker 4: So it's a question of all mate now plate recognition

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Speaker 4: not just to go from something to nothing. You've got

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Speaker 4: to have the alternate plans in place. The Commission's working

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Speaker 4: around how you would handle those things, and I think

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Speaker 4: give territorians to confidence that you're still managing coronavirus absolutely,

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Speaker 4: So it's not about right or wrong here, it's a

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Speaker 1: How soon could police come off some of those border

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Speaker 4: As soon as we essentially have confidence at the commissioner level,

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Speaker 4: TERATI controller level, SEMPSE that we've got those alternate plans

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Speaker 4: and working. So if we've got good contact, additional contact

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Speaker 4: that gives us greater confidence about the border. So at

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Speaker 4: the moment, our best QR code system is the borders.

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Speaker 4: So we've been writting that for a long time and

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Speaker 4: we're head of pretty much every other place about how

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Speaker 4: we run our borders. We've actually been i'd believe better

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Speaker 3: So really by the end of the year, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Oh, We've had a problem for a long time. When

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Speaker 4: There's a royal commission into this. We have got some

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Speaker 2: Makes just the anger that you don't like.

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Speaker 4: That's just she said, violation that's almost a polite word

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Speaker 3: Brow Yeah, like to me, I just don't know.

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Speaker 1: You know where we go to from here, because you

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Speaker 4: Well, I can promise you, as I do my best,

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Speaker 4: You look around the country, everyone's wrestling with crime that

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Speaker 4: So you know, you don't get away with it if

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Speaker 4: There must be a consequence, it must be a current

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Speaker 1: Do we know at the moment how many kids have

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Speaker 4: Excellent question, Kate, Kate will know the answer. On how

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Speaker 4: the NEXTLLENT program.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's move along. I want to talk to

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Speaker 1: you about public holidays. You declared Saturday, the twenty sixth

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Speaker 4: Well, I let people know rather than consulting, so we

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Speaker 3: What are they happy about it?

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Speaker 4: I think it'd be fair to say that they understood

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Speaker 4: I also think it's a fair recognition of the value

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Speaker 1: Day, Chief Finister, Was this a situation where you were

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Speaker 2: That it is Boxing Day.

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Speaker 4: It is a public holiday, that it is the special

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Speaker 4: And I'm saying if you're working at the box, if

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Speaker 1: To be honest, you don't sound overly convinced that it's

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Speaker 2: No, I'm convinced it's the best decision.

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Speaker 4: Apologizes if I wasn't giving enough tone then, but no,

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Speaker 2: Not for everyone.

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Speaker 4: Boxing Christmas Days often tension and movement and stress. Boxing

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Speaker 2: It is a very special day.

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Speaker 4: I've certainly had a lot of years with Boxing days

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Speaker 4: I absolutely recognize that there are businesses out there who

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 4: You don't necessarily pay Palny rates on that day, but

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Speaker 4: I think this is a fair recognition of what workers

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister, just finally, the Territory Economic Reconstructions Commission report.

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Speaker 3: When is it out?

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Speaker 2: So I should receive it today.

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Speaker 4: My plan at this stage, and you know this might

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Speaker 2: So that's the plan to get it and get it out.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so tomorrow we should know exactly what really all right, perfect,

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Speaker 1: We'll keep a very close eye on that, Chief Minister

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Speaker 1: Michael Gunner. Always appreciate your time. Thanks so much for

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.