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Speaker 1: on the show. Good morning to your Deputy Chief Minister.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, and good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, how concerning could this system be for the Northern territory.

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Speaker 1: What's the modeling telling you at the moment when it

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Speaker 2: Look, Katie, this is going to be another weather event.

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Speaker 2: It's going to come across into Catherine. We think along

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Speaker 2: is a serious event. It's going to be a three

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Speaker 2: and I think it's a four now hitting Queensland. So

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Speaker 2: They'll be doing a great job. The fatigue must be

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's been unrelenting. You know, usually we love

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Speaker 1: And now when we see this tropical cyclone that's going

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, this is a bit of a jigsaw puzzle here.

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Speaker 1: It's their Nightcliff hih School, Michael.

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Speaker 1: So let me get this really clear in my mind

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Speaker 2: we understand moving people out displacing them is a big thing,

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Speaker 2: moving the nightly people to Fosky's. Maurra again will become vacant.

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Speaker 1: So tell me in terms of those residents from Naiu

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, this is it's it. I've never

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Speaker 1: All right, Now, on Monday we actually spoke just a

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Speaker 2: Look? Okay, I understand it isn't. I respect the right

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Speaker 2: I respect the right to protest, but what I can say, Katie,

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Speaker 2: And I just ask people to be respectful of what's

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Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing. I know that you've sort

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okatie're right. I think it really is time to

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Speaker 1: And have you offered them enough money? Like it's the

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Speaker 1: Deputy Chief Minister. A few messages coming through this morning,

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Speaker 1: I think. Okay, somebody else had asked in terms of

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Speaker 2: Well, it does vary. I understand that there's a Commonwealth

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Speaker 1: Well, somebody else has just messaged through and said, Katie,

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Speaker 2: I say, and there is a lot of proactive management.

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Speaker 2: And remember this is a prolonged event. So these people

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Speaker 1: Do we have any idea how much it is going

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Speaker 2: No, Look, I don't have any idea, Katie. Bit what

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Speaker 2: So I think we have to just deal with it.

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Speaker 2: We're about making sure people are safe no matter where

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Speaker 1: It's going there's no doubt though, Between that and the

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Speaker 2: Going to have to be. And like we know that

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Speaker 1: Hopefully they do because I think it needs to be

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Speaker 2: This is bigger than politics. We need to make sure,

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Speaker 2: so far touched would Katie, everyone's being safe and we

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Speaker 1: Well, look, we're going to be catching up with the

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Speaker 1: are tracking. Gered Mailey, we better let you get into Parliament. Yes,

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Katie, and thank you listeners. And just be

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