1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: In for Caadie Wolf this morning. While we've chop and 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: changed this segment a few times, it was this time 3 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: on a Wednesday morning. We bumped it back to a Tuesday, 4 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: but back to a Wednesday. 5 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 2: Again to get it right in this place. Maddie, it's 6 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: either it's either Katie or it's Hailey. But you know 7 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 2: there's always some sort of stuff. 8 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: Has one shame though, Well, well I was going to say, 9 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: and Damie Hale, good morning to your bike. 10 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 2: Maddie Hawaiian detective shirt today Maddie's unshaved. 11 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 1: Da if you didn't like you've stepped off a plane 12 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: from Hawaii, though. 13 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 3: Big big call out to Katie Wolf, who's not film. 14 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:38,319 Speaker 3: I hope Katie feels better soon. 15 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:40,319 Speaker 1: Well, you know, she's a workaholic and she did want 16 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: to battle on, particularly this week being a parliamentary sittings 17 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: week here in the territory. 18 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: I find it hard to believe that she is crooked. 19 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 2: I mean, every time I look at it, she's a 20 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 2: picture of health and fitness, and she's. 21 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: The fittest and healthiest person I know. Yes, but she's 22 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: battling a bit of a cough at the moment, which 23 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: has triggered a bit of asthma as well, so she's 24 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: resting up good. No, it's not at all. No, no 25 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: lies of the healthiest person. 26 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 3: We passive smoke with what comes off your shirt. 27 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: That is too. 28 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 4: Gentlemen. 29 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:13,839 Speaker 1: I want to get into one of the top stories 30 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: of what's probably not been the week but the month now, 31 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: and that's the ongoing controversy in Parliament House in Canberra. 32 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: This week again we've heard more allegations of leude acts 33 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: performed in minister's offices. This is just one of many 34 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,839 Speaker 1: reports and allegations that we've heard coming out of Parliament House, 35 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: allegations of sexual assault inappropriate behavior. Before we discuss this, though, Dave, 36 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: you pointed something out before that I do want to 37 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: acknowledge as well, and that we are three blokes sitting 38 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: in the room talking about this this morning and at 39 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: the end of the day. A lot of this is 40 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: about the behavior that women have copped whilst in Parliament 41 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: House as well, so in many ways we are probably 42 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: not qualified to talk about this. But no, no, but 43 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: insane that you have both represented the territory in Canberra before. 44 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: I mean, is it as bad as these allegations that 45 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: we're hearing has it been a toxic culture for a 46 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 1: long time and we're only just hearing about it, or 47 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: has it gotten worse? And this is not what you 48 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: remember the Parliament House that you served in. 49 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 4: Well go, I'll go first. 50 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 3: There's no other workplace in Australia like Parliament House in Canberra, 51 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 3: you know all of us, and Dave will attest this 52 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 3: that you everyone picked something to do when they get 53 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 3: there in regards to a bit of sport. So some 54 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 3: people ride, some walks, some play touch footy. I played 55 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 3: touch footy, other swim, do weights, whatever it is. So 56 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 3: Julio and the member for Paramatta came and saw us 57 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 3: as a group when we first went in and said, look, 58 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 3: she put on ten kilos in the first three months 59 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 3: as a polly simply because of the time. 60 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 2: She didn't actually came out with a keg. 61 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 4: Yeah. 62 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 3: So you spend so much time at your desk, you're 63 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 3: always working, you're always at functions, you're always doing something 64 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 3: like that. And so she said, find an exercise that 65 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 3: you like. So I started. I played touch footy. So 66 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 3: your day would start at five thirty in the morning, 67 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 3: invariably you'd leave the German debate might finish at ten 68 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 3: o'clock at night. There's nowhere in Australia outside the private 69 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 3: sector where people would work for that amount of time 70 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 3: and then you would have alcohol readily available from say 71 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 3: lunchtime onwards. I remember the whip came in and told us, 72 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 3: as young pollies, be careful with alcohol. Alcohol can be 73 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 3: a real danger in this place. 74 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 4: Just be really. 75 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 3: Careful with it, all right. This was our alcohol education. 76 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 3: And by the way, drinks are in the Prime Minister's 77 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 3: courtyard at. 78 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 4: Quarter past six. That was our alcohol education. 79 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 3: There was an expectation that you would go to friends 80 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 3: of tourism or friends of the cattleman, or friends of 81 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 3: manufacturing or friends of whatever, and you would represent the 82 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 3: government as part of being a backbench or a minister, 83 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 3: and you would go from about four o'clock onwoods most Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, 84 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 3: and there will be alcohol there. So it's a unique place. 85 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 3: It's certainly the culture. Obviously it's broken. Like when you 86 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 3: see what's coming out now around the treatment of women. 87 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 3: This is a bloke's issue, all right. This is while 88 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 3: it's women that are the victims of it, it's about 89 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 3: men not being involved in this stuff. And it's sad 90 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,239 Speaker 3: to see that our parliament has got to a point 91 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 3: where we need to have a broader discussion around all 92 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 3: the things that happened in parliament, and alcohol is one 93 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 3: of them. And you talk about work life balance, there 94 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 3: is no work life balance for a politician, particularly for 95 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 3: the twenty one weeks that you're in Canberra. There is 96 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 3: no work life balance to pay. 97 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 2: I think, HAILI look, you know, I hear what you're saying. 98 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 2: But the circumstance you pointed out has been the case 99 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 2: since Adam was a boy. I mean, that's basically that's 100 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 2: been the nature of the you know, political life. I 101 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 2: think since Federation, you know, people would come in and 102 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 2: meet politicians, they'd always be trying to put on functions 103 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 2: and the like and that. But what we've got in 104 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 2: recent times, I think the twenty four hour news cycle 105 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 2: has had a lot to contribute to it. You know, 106 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: it really irritates me when I see these stories and 107 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 2: the like, because fundamentally, it's not about government of Australia. 108 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 2: It's not about how we run the economy, how we 109 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 2: deliver health services, how we deliver education services, how we're 110 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 2: going to repay debt. You know, none of these things 111 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,799 Speaker 2: are about putting food on the table for our average Australians. 112 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 2: They're all about scandal and they don't make wonderful media 113 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 2: commentary and all of that sort of stuff. We've had 114 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 2: these things happen, you know, for years. I mean, I 115 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 2: draw your attention to what happened in the Territory Parliament 116 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 2: back in two thousand and two, you know, the sex 117 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 2: on the speaker's chair and desk and all of that 118 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 2: sort of stuff with a couple of staffers. Now we 119 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 2: had a female Chief Minister at the time, Claire Martin, 120 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 2: and a female Speaker Rain Brahm. That issue was, you know, 121 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 2: whilst it made headlines, was quickly swept under the table. 122 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 2: Nobody did anything about it and the like. You know. 123 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 2: But these days all of this feeds into the grist 124 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 2: and starts to create a story that, oh, well, everybody 125 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 2: in the Federal Parliament is some sort of a sex fee, 126 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 2: some sort of an alcoholic, can't control themselves, and we've 127 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 2: lost focus of what parliament is all about, and that's 128 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,119 Speaker 2: fundamentally the running of the country. And you know, whilst 129 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 2: it makes good headlines and it keeps people talking in 130 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 2: the streets, I don't think it does anything at all 131 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 2: to enhance our belief in democracy in this country. 132 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: But they are serious allegations that need to be addressed. 133 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,239 Speaker 1: And coming back to your point, Haighy, of. 134 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 2: Of course they're serious allegation, but they're not allegations to 135 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 2: do with the government of this country. They are allegations 136 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 2: to do with police. If there's crimes committed, people should 137 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 2: be you know, they should be investigated by police and 138 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. Are they to do with the 139 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 2: management of the country. I doubt it. I don't think so. 140 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 2: These things have been going on, like I say, since 141 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:03,559 Speaker 2: Adam was a boy. 142 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: But the argument obviously being is that this job that 143 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:08,559 Speaker 1: you sign up for, Hailey, and you know you pointed 144 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: out how incredibly busy it is. You know, you start 145 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: at five point thirty, you don't finish until ten o'clock 146 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: at night. 147 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 4: There's no apprenticeship. 148 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: And is that from some of the commentary that I'm 149 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: reading over the last couple of days, one of the 150 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: issues is there is a lack of HR departments and 151 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: training and the like. And does the line become blurred, 152 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: like you said, between your work life and your functions 153 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: and the alcohol consumption. Is it all blurred and there's 154 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: just not I mean, obviously these allegations are criminal allegations 155 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: and there is a clear line in the sand there. 156 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: But what goes on at Parliament House is it just 157 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: not well defined enough? Like where are we going wrong? 158 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 2: That's sorry about that. 159 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 3: Look, I think it's never just one thing. And I 160 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 3: agree with Dave to a point that there's a lot 161 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 3: of really good work obviously goes on in Parliament House, 162 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 3: and there's awesome members of Parliament, there's awesome staff that 163 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 3: do a really good job, and of course the staff 164 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 3: of Parliament. You know, there's three there's over three thousand 165 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 3: people actually in that building. 166 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 2: On a busy day there's six people. 167 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 4: So it's a it's not a small operation. 168 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 3: But I think that holistically there is obviously there is 169 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 3: issues and I've I've heard I've read some commentary around 170 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:35,199 Speaker 3: how you know, because because staffers seem to be getting younger, 171 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 3: you lose some of that experience, and I know that 172 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 3: it's not a friendly it's not family friendly. So for 173 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 3: a person, if a couple of a baby and whoever's 174 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 3: decided to stay home and do the printal leave, often 175 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 3: people that have got kids, or often young women that 176 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 3: are looking to start, a family will be pushed to 177 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 3: the side, and you find that there's younger and younger staff. 178 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 3: And I all that with even with Kevin Rudd's office, 179 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 3: we went from having when he first got elected, there 180 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 3: was certainly there was a lot of gray haired men 181 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 3: and women in the office, and over the period of 182 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 3: the three years, suddenly there was younger staff members and 183 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 3: people that could give up sixteen hours a day, and 184 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 3: people that didn't have to worry about family, and people 185 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 3: that didn't have partners. 186 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 4: So there was. 187 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 3: Actually a demographic that started the change within the time 188 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 3: that I was there as well. 189 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: And do you reckon that's when we've seen the shift as. 190 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 3: Well, possibly because I think there's a balance, like I'm 191 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 3: not saying you shouldn't have young people, but you need 192 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 3: to still have some of the old heads, some of 193 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 3: the people that know the traps and know some of 194 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 3: the stuff that goes on and some of the stuff 195 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 3: to be wary of. And you know, I sort of saw, 196 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 3: but you know, because the demand and Dave's right about 197 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 3: this twenty four hour news side, it's just pumping constantly. 198 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 3: Every office has media advisors and media people and what's 199 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 3: the messaging and what do we want the public to hear. 200 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 3: The public gets seek and tired of hearing spin that 201 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 3: comes out in the media department. 202 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 4: And so these. 203 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 3: People are younger and younger because they can work longer 204 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 3: and longer hours, and they don't have the distraction of family. 205 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 3: They don't have kids, and so what we've actually seen 206 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 3: is a lot of the experience. A lot of the 207 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 3: gray headed men and women that have been around the 208 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 3: traps have lived lives, and they're the type of people 209 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 3: we want contributing to public policy. 210 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 4: But they're being pushed. 211 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 3: Out and younger people have come in that can actually 212 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 3: work for longer hours. 213 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,319 Speaker 1: Hello Katie Wolf and three point sixty online at MIXEDBEO 214 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 1: four nine dot com. Mattapworth filling in for Caadi Wolf 215 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 1: this morning. We're doing the big Issues with Dave Tyner 216 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: and Damian Hale. Gentlemen, Yesterday we saw the news from 217 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: the government that they're going to introduce and proposed youth 218 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: justice changes that. 219 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 5: Include automatically look you, ask me, let me tell you. 220 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 4: Can you get some control of the show. 221 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: This is what I was most fearing today, to be honest, 222 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: when I can do every interview, all right, this is 223 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: what it includes automatic revocation of bail, expanding the list 224 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: of prescribed offenses. Others include the expansion of electronic monitoring, 225 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: toughening the Trafficked Act, and changes to youth diversion. Meanwhile, 226 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: the government has allocated five million dollars for upgrades to 227 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: youth remand centers. The government say they're working on the 228 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: new measures and they'll be ready for parliament in May, 229 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: but the opposition say they have proposed similar legislation that 230 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: they plan onto introducing into parliament today. 231 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 2: I believe we. 232 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: Spoke Katie spoke with Police Minister Nicole Madison yesterday, who 233 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't really rule in or out on supporting the oppositions legislation. 234 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: But given that they're drafting their own legislation at the moment, 235 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: I don't think they'll support it. Same again, the opposition 236 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: leader Lee of Finocchiaro said that they were open to 237 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: supporting the government's legislation, but Lea said that theirs is 238 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: ready to go right here, right now, gentlemen, what do 239 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: we take on this all? 240 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 2: Well, now you can go now it's your turn. 241 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 4: Look, I think. 242 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 3: Now, let's be honest. What we all saw in that 243 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 3: springs you can't with that stuff. You can't pretend it's 244 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 3: not happening. That's there for people to see, and it 245 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 3: was unsavory across many fronts, with all different types of 246 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 3: people involved in it. And I think that what's been said. 247 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 3: I think the government's heard loud and clear. Now the 248 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 3: opposition will are the opposition for a reason. 249 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 4: Now they're going. 250 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 3: To push hard and they're going to put forward and 251 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 3: their views and probably I don't think the government will 252 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 3: go to the extreme site as to where the opposition 253 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 3: wants them, but certainly the government has recognized that they 254 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 3: need to come a little bit more back towards the middle. 255 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 3: There is a balance between the carrot and the stick, 256 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 3: and I think that unfortunately, I think what we've seen is, 257 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 3: you know, there's not enough emphasis on the stick, and 258 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 3: I think that some people are saying a lot of 259 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 3: people within the community would like to see more done 260 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 3: to protect the community. 261 00:12:58,080 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 4: Now. 262 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 3: I know the government's got a lot of focus on 263 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 3: early intervention, supporting families and things that will make a 264 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 3: difference down the track, but it's not going to make 265 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 3: a difference in the short term. And so the government's 266 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 3: listened to the community and they've come back and said 267 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 3: all right, well, we need to do something here and 268 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 3: now because the here and now is. 269 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 4: Where the issue is. 270 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 3: Will continue to invest in the programs that we have, 271 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 3: programs around diversion and trying to help families and trying 272 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 3: to help young people. But people are sick and tired 273 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 3: of unlawful behavior, particularly in youth, and the public belief 274 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 3: that there's no consequences. And when there's no consequences to 275 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 3: your actions, no one's held accountable, it'll only get worse. 276 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 2: It's interesting, you know, Harley sort of raises some issues, 277 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 2: you know that's on everybody's mind, and you've got to 278 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 2: give him credit. He does actually reflect what the community 279 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 2: is seeing. People are outraged about this, but you know, 280 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 2: as I always say, Maddie with Labor, don't listen to 281 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 2: what they say. Look at what they do and what 282 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 2: they do in the space of crime and law in 283 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 2: order is nothing like what they say they're going to do. 284 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 2: The reality is, you know, this is the government that 285 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 2: acted on the Mick Gooder and that Royal Commission report 286 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 2: to let all the kids out of don dhe you know, 287 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 2: send them back to their communities. Poor Indigenous kids shouldn't 288 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 2: be locked up in don Dale let them out, and 289 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 2: they did. And you know, at times I find it 290 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 2: incredibly heartless the way these people sort of treat criminals. 291 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 2: You know, they have no regard for the community that 292 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 2: they're sending them back to. You know, when all those 293 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 2: kids came out of Don Dha, where did they go? 294 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 2: I tell you where they went. They went back out 295 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 2: on the streets. They caused more crime. Now we're trying 296 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 2: to find more and more ways of letting more and 297 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 2: more people back onto the streets whilst trying to appear 298 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 2: tough on crime. You know, it's just not in the 299 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 2: labor DNA to be tough on crime, to try and 300 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 2: clean up crime. Their heart is with the criminals, not 301 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 2: the victims, the criminals, and they're always trying to find 302 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 2: reasons to let him out, defund the police, you know, 303 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 2: all sorts of things. 304 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 3: You know, it comes out, well. 305 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 2: What have you done for policing, I mean for policing, 306 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 2: got a dysfunctional police force, Police are investigating police. You 307 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 2: know all you've done is undermind police, Well hang on, 308 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 2: you've had a fellow down there in Central Australia. You know, now, 309 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 2: no one knows what the circumstances are with that about that. 310 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 2: But the first reaction of that is, oh, hang on, 311 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 2: let's let's have him investigated by every jurisdiction under the sun. Now, 312 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 2: there was a range of ways to investigate that, but 313 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 2: the government weren't weren't interested in that. They wanted to 314 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 2: come down hard and show that the police officer was 315 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 2: being investigated. That's not supporting your police. They've never supported 316 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 2: the police. They've got police at war with themselves. And 317 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 2: they seem to think that because they say I built 318 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 2: a new police station, that everyone says, oh, good on you, 319 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 2: you're tough on crime. Well you're not. You're week on crime. 320 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 2: You've always been weak on. 321 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 3: Dave doesn't take long to go after labor on this, 322 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 3: I think. But what I don't delve into, and what 323 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 3: I don't drag up out of the past, is the 324 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 3: fancy of the COLP between twenty twelve and twenty and sixteen. Now, 325 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 3: I'm happy to bring in the figures around what was 326 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 3: taken out of diversionary programs in all of springs. Look 327 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 3: where the where the federal money was taken out by 328 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 3: the federal government out of remote communities in the Northern Territory. 329 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 3: Over five hundred million dollars a year, and I'm happy 330 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 3: to go and get dragged those things up, but I won't. 331 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 4: I won't take it because. 332 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 2: Actually had people have We got. 333 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 4: Shut down and took. 334 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 2: A lot of money out of down on crime. 335 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 3: You took a lot of money out of diversionary programs 336 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 3: in Alla Springs, and now we're seeing the result of 337 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 3: your work. 338 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 4: But i't bring it up. 339 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 2: But this is labor play. It's about spending money. It's 340 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 2: not actually about about cutting crime. They seem to think 341 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 2: that spending money is all you need to do, and 342 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 2: they do that willy nilly with other people's money all 343 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 2: the time. That's why we've got say, nice, goddamn debt, 344 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 2: it's coming out of our ears. But have we've seen 345 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 2: an improvement in a reduction in crime. No, In actual fact, 346 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 2: we've got chaos despite coming fact that they're spending record 347 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 2: amounts of money. 348 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: Coming back to the issue of what's been presented today though, 349 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: is the opposition is going to present their their solution 350 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: in parliament. The government came out yesterday and said we're 351 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: working on it. We'll see one in May. Obviously, you guys. 352 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 2: See compliment, but let's wait and see what happens with 353 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 2: labor because I can tell you, while they might talk tough, 354 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 2: what they come out with is guaranteed to be wishy washy. 355 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 2: Their heart's not in it. 356 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 3: Well, it's good to see that Lea and Michael Gunner 357 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 3: are working on an issue that concerns the whole community. 358 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 3: There's been crime across the territory before now, and it's 359 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 3: good to see that working together. I'm glad that Dave's 360 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 3: no longer in the Parliament because you wouldn't. 361 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 4: Be up take a by party. He has not got 362 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 4: a bipartisan bone in his body. 363 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 2: You've recognized everything, but you've recognized the fact that there 364 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 2: is crime on the streets. 365 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 4: Right. 366 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 2: It's hit you in the in the head, treasure. No, 367 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 2: but well, it's come from your current affair. You mentioned 368 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 2: that yourself the other day. It's come from a current affair. 369 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 2: It's quite confronting, exactly now. We're only now only the 370 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 2: labor guys are starting to realize that we've been saying 371 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 2: the same thing over and over and over again. We've 372 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 2: got to have a better system of dealing with criminals 373 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 2: in this jurisdiction. 374 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 1: All right, I'm going to step in here before the 375 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: boxing gloves come out. 376 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 2: Listen, Son, you don't appreciate a good debate. 377 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: Just a bit hot and a bit scared right now? 378 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 2: Who will drink that you worry Maddie. 379 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: Just finally, gentlemen, we've got about two and a half 380 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: minutes left. I want to touch on the COVID nineteen 381 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: vaccine rollout and I feel this, this could blow up again, 382 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 1: but I'll I'll give you endemic. 383 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 3: I'm the only one in the here that actually believes 384 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 3: that we needed I know, I know you do. So 385 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 3: it will be interesting to see what Dave thinks of 386 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 3: the rollout of the vaccine We don't need. 387 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: A leaked email has revealed the government admitted to significant 388 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: issues of the vaccine rollout, despite previously insisting it was 389 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: still on track. This is a report from the ABC 390 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: this morning. The second stage of the roll out, Phase 391 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: one B started this week with six million more Australians 392 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: now able to get the JAB, but the phase has 393 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: been plagued with complaints from GPS about an undersupply of vaccines, 394 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 1: being unable to keep up with the demand, and not 395 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 1: enough direction on when and how people should book an appointment. Gentlemen, 396 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: do you think the Australian Republic are losing confidence this rollouts. 397 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 2: By the sound of these never all vaccines to go around. 398 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 2: There are certainly people out there who are at risk. 399 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 2: And I note that the very first people to get 400 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 2: vaccinated were the Chief Minister and the Chief Health Officer, 401 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 2: two blakes who are leased at risk of ever catching coronavirus. 402 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 2: So there you go, Maddie. I mean, well that's happened 403 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 2: all over the world. 404 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 3: Right, that's the minister from Sweden. 405 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 2: He's getting my talking just quickly. 406 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: Do you think are the public losing faith in the 407 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: vaccine rollout? 408 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 4: Look? 409 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 3: You know, I think that with all these types of things, 410 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 3: you'd love to see them run smoothly, wouldn't you. 411 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 4: But you know, we're a vast country. 412 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 3: We've got a lot of people that a lot of 413 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 3: competing interests around states and territories. 414 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 4: I take Dave's point. 415 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 3: But like you know, Prime ministers and Chief ministers leaders 416 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 3: around the world, it's about confidence, that's what it is. 417 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 2: There's a tiny, tiny fracture of the population that are 418 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 2: at risk of death from this. They should be the 419 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 2: first people to get vaccinated and it's a disgrace. I 420 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 2: think that you know, these political leaders think it's good 421 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 2: politics to be seen to be in front of the queue. 422 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 2: I think it's just disgraceful. We'll get out in age 423 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 2: care homes and that's what it's about. Sitting the support vaccines. 424 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 2: I've got no. 425 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 3: Sing that you shouldn't have them, So this is about 426 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 3: leaders showing leadership. 427 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,199 Speaker 2: That's what I'm not on the side of anti vaxers. 428 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 2: I think if you know there's a lot of research 429 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 2: that's taken place with these drugs and that sort of stuff. 430 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: I'm not sing it both ad minute before you'll get it. 431 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 2: I'm not few enough to get vaccinated, but if they 432 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 2: tell me that I've got to be vaccinated before I 433 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 2: get on a plane, I'm going to be trying to 434 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 2: get my way to the front of that line. 435 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 3: Well, just on vaccinations in the UK, for instance, seventeen deaths 436 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 3: the lowest since I think August or something. Seventeen gets 437 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 3: in twenty four hours, and they put it down to 438 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 3: simply because more people are getting vaccinated. Let's just get 439 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 3: it out there the most vulnerable, as Dave says, after 440 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 3: the Prime Minister and Chief ministers obviously, and then we'll 441 00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 3: see where are we on the list. 442 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 2: I'd probably be the top getting the we won, and 443 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 2: I probably want to there's grace for lifestyles we lead Haley. 444 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 3: Well, it could actually it could actually be a really 445 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 3: dodgy batch. Let's test it on Hale and and see 446 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 3: what happens with that. 447 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 2: Again, they go, well, they must have your immune systems 448 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 2: a crocodile through what. 449 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 3: Well I haven't had Tash files ring me the health 450 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 3: minister and urgently asked me to get vaccinated. So I'm 451 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 3: sort of thinking maybe around twenty twenty four I'll get 452 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 3: the call you should be safe. 453 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 2: But you know, I couldn't give a stuff about getting vaccinated. Really, 454 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 2: I'm not that bad. Well, I do support people getting 455 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 2: vaccinated days at risk, but you know if if the 456 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 2: minute they say that you can't get on a plane 457 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 2: unless you've vaccinated, well I'll be. 458 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 4: So it'll be quantison je. 459 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 2: I'll absolutely be lining up to get a vaccination because 460 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 2: I like to get around a bit if I can. 461 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 4: And I'll be getting vaccinate when it's my go. 462 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: Gentlemen, we'll have to leave it there. This has been 463 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: I don't know. 464 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 2: You've got a tough enough man. I mean, if you 465 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 2: get flustered by. 466 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 4: We're having to hold down the turn. 467 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 2: You were never going to seceed either way. You're going, mate, You've. 468 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: Got you've got no plans to. 469 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 2: Put on a bit of lipstick or something and get 470 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:21,959 Speaker 2: a better sense of him. 471 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 3: Totally saves himself all week for this this. We've heard 472 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 3: his alarm go off at eleven. That's when he gets 473 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 3: out of bed mode. Days he bounces out of it. 474 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 1: We've got to get to the news. 475 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 2: You and I'll have to have a drink. I'll give 476 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 2: you some tips. And when do we get a chriscious. 477 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: Week? 478 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 2: When do we get Christmas? 479 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: Drenks figure it out, saying we've got to go. 480 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 2: Come one able to wind us up better than that. 481 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 4: Years for Christmas. 482 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 2: Dream on, mate, We'll go to get criminals news. Come on, 483 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 2: there is