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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os. It's Monday,

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Speaker 2: the thirty first of July.

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Speaker 3: I'm Zara Sidler, I'm Sam Kazlowski.

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Speaker 2: On today's podcast, we're bringing you an interview with doctor

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Speaker 2: Anne R. Lee and she's Australia's Minister for Youth. Billy

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Speaker 2: fitz Simon's tda's editor interviewed the minister recently and put

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Speaker 2: the hard questions to her.

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Speaker 4: Do you believe that governments should have a legal obligation

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 5: That's a really deep question, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: In this chat, we're going to hear exactly what the

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Speaker 2: time in government. Before we get to that chat, though,

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Speaker 2: some headlines for this morning.

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Speaker 3: The four Defense Force personnel feared dead after their helicopter

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Speaker 3: The MRH ninety helicopter crashed at about ten thirty pm

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Speaker 2: Singapore has executed a woman for the first time in

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Speaker 2: almost twenty years. The forty five year old was sentenced

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Speaker 3: Social Services Minister Amanda Rishworth has told ABC's Insiders that

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Speaker 3: the job seeker increase will be adjusted to fifty six

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Speaker 2: And the good news. A Norwegian woman has climbed the

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Speaker 2: in three months and one day. Billy, it's been a

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Speaker 2: hot minute since you're on the podcast.

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Speaker 5: Welcome back.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me again.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's an important day because you have interviewed our

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Speaker 4: Anne Ali. So what better time than the present, Doctor

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Speaker 4: Anne Alie, thank you so much for joining the Daily Os.

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Speaker 5: My pleasure, Billy, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 5: So what I do as the Minister for Youth, I

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Speaker 4: I want to focus on mental health first. Your government

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Speaker 5: So right now we've recognized that that's an issue, and

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Speaker 4: There are examples of young people suing governments for approving

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Speaker 5: next selection. By the next selection. What I want to

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Speaker 5: achieve is I want us to have our youth engagement strategy,

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Speaker 5: and that's really about asking young people, what do you

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Speaker 5: want your government to do and how do you want

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Speaker 4: Doctor anne Alie, thank you so much for joining us pleasure.

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Speaker 5: Thanks so much, Billy.

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