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Speaker 1: Hello, my name's Santasha Nabananga Bamblet. I'm a proud yr

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Speaker 1: the Order KERNI Whoalbury and a waddery woman. And before

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Speaker 1: we get started on She's on the Money podcast, I

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Speaker 1: would like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land

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Speaker 1: of which this podcast is recorded on a wondery country,

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Speaker 1: acknowledging the elders, the ancestors and the next generation coming

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Speaker 1: through as this podcast is about connecting, empowering, knowledge sharing

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Speaker 1: and the storytelling of you to make a difference for

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Speaker 1: today and lasting impact for tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Let's get into it.

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Speaker 3: She's on the Money, She's on the Money.

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Speaker 4: Hello, and welcome to She's on the Money, the podcast

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Speaker 4: for millennials who want financial freedom. Welcome back to another

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Speaker 4: shot back money Diary Monday, where we get to chat

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Speaker 4: to one of our community members to learn about them,

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Speaker 4: their money, their finance, all of the fun things in between.

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Speaker 4: And Victoria, I've got a long one to read to

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Speaker 4: you today.

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Speaker 2: A long one.

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Speaker 4: Let's take it away, my love, our diarist, says at

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Speaker 4: age fifteen, my older sister and I found ourselves in

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Speaker 4: government housing on our own due to a turbulent home life.

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Speaker 4: I worked five days a week in retail as well

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Speaker 4: as going to high school, but eventually dropped out at

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Speaker 4: age eighteen to start working in a brothel to make

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Speaker 4: lots of money quickly. I had big plans to work

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Speaker 4: full time in the industry, but everyone around me told

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Speaker 4: me I was young and dumb and I needed a

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Speaker 4: different career, so I got a job working as a

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Speaker 4: flight attendant for a few years. Fast forward to age

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Speaker 4: twenty one, I found myself a single mum. I worked

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Speaker 4: part time as a flight attendant and part time at

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Speaker 4: the brothel, but found that too many commitments was overwhelming

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Speaker 4: and exhausting, so I quit the flying career and became

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Speaker 4: a full time sex worker. A few years later, at

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Speaker 4: age twenty three, without a dollar to my name, me

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Speaker 4: and my now husband, who I had only been seeing

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Speaker 4: for two months, signed the contract on a block of land,

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Speaker 4: and I had eleven days to come up with a

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Speaker 4: twenty one thousand dollar deposit. Thanks to sex work, I

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Speaker 4: was able to make this money in such a short

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Speaker 4: period of time, and that purchase has set us up stunningly.

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Speaker 4: I am now thirty one years old, I have another

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Speaker 4: child with my husband, to investment properties, and life is

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Speaker 4: very financially different than it ever would have been if

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Speaker 4: I had not just started to do sex work full time.

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Speaker 4: At the beginning of the pandemic, me and my husband

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Speaker 4: lost the majority of their incomes overnight, and I had

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Speaker 4: to pivot from in person sex work to creating and

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Speaker 4: only fans, which has now taken over as my main

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Speaker 4: source of income, and in person sex work is now

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Speaker 4: very much a part time income for me.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, what a hustler. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 5: Hello, thank you.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited to have you because I like to

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Speaker 2: think that we're Instagram friends as well. So I've been

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Speaker 2: so pervy about your journey because like I obviously know

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Speaker 2: what you do and what you get up to, but

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Speaker 2: I'm like, how did you get here? What does that mean? Like,

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Speaker 2: obviously I know what your Instagram is and we're not

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Speaker 2: going to share it, but obviously you are very successful

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Speaker 2: in this industry and do a lot, so it makes

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Speaker 2: sense that a majority of your income comes from only fans,

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Speaker 2: and then the in person sex work is kind of

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Speaker 2: like part time. Now, Like that's cool. Did you see

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Speaker 5: And yeah, it's nothing I ever could have imagined. I

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Speaker 5: started only fans just to sort of get me through

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Speaker 5: the lockdowns and the pandemic. Being an in person sex worker,

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Speaker 5: you can't really do that socially distanced. No, No, I

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Speaker 5: heard it was pretty physical as a job. Yeah, So

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Speaker 5: with all the lockdowns and everything, I just had to

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Speaker 5: really push my only events to sort of be successful.

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Speaker 5: And it really has. It's taken off and it's so great,

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Speaker 5: Like the lifestyle is really good. So it has taken

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Speaker 5: over and I still see clients, but that's not my

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Speaker 2: Now, Oh my gosh. Well, let's get straight into the

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Speaker 2: structured questions and kick it off with money. Doris, Can

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Speaker 2: you tell us a little bit about your money story.

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Speaker 5: So growing up, I had two like really hard working parents.

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Speaker 5: They both did shift work. We had a nice home,

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Speaker 5: and me and my siblings we all got to do

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Speaker 5: like dancing and like gymnastics, whatever we wanted to do.

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Speaker 5: Asides from that, we didn't really have much else, but

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Speaker 5: like that, we had more than enough. Really. My parents

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Speaker 5: would often like talk about money in front of us,

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Speaker 5: but I just remember always hearing we're so broke, we're

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Speaker 5: so broke, We're so broke, And in hindsight, I don't

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Speaker 5: think my parents were ever so broke. They just yeah,

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure where they put their money. They were

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Speaker 5: pretty good with it though, to be honest, Like looking

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Speaker 5: and stuff like that. So that's what money was like

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Speaker 5: growing up for me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so talk to me about how when you were

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Speaker 2: fifteen you found yourself in government housing, Like how did

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Speaker 2: you go from this beautiful lifestyle that you just explained

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Speaker 2: to going, all right, now I'm in government housing because

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Speaker 2: of a turbulent home life, Like what happened? My friend?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so they were like they're good, they're great, hard workers,

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Speaker 5: and I have a great relationship with them now. But

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Speaker 5: as a teenager, my mum had lots of physical and

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Speaker 5: mental health issues and it was very, very turbulent, and

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Speaker 5: I got kicked out of home. My older sister left,

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Speaker 5: my other sister ended up getting kicked out as well,

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Speaker 5: and it was all sorts of fun. So it's weird

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Speaker 5: because we kind of came from like a decent home,

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Speaker 5: but it was real. We had a really rough, like

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Speaker 2: That's a really interesting juxtaposition. How did you deal with that?

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Speaker 2: Because I feel like going from a lifestyle that you

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Speaker 2: just explained to going to government housing and having to

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Speaker 2: have your own income and then obviously deciding an eighteen

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Speaker 2: to drop out, that's a very big shift. How did

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Speaker 2: you deal with that? Were you okay?

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Speaker 5: Well, I've always been like really independent. Looking back, I

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Speaker 5: probably did go through like moments of like depression and

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Speaker 5: understand my own feelings and I didn't recognize like what

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Speaker 5: depression was. But like looking back, I probably definitely experienced

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Speaker 5: it as a teenager, but I was always really independent.

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Speaker 5: I had a part time job, so I just picked

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Speaker 5: up extra shifts there I was to work and that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. All right, Next question, my friend,

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Speaker 2: I think we already got here, but what do you

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Speaker 2: do for work? And the juicy part, how much money

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Speaker 5: So I do only fans and I do in person

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Speaker 5: like sex works. I'm an escort. It varies a lot,

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Speaker 5: so I average between five and ten k a week,

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Speaker 5: but that's because I have, like I have two kids.

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Speaker 5: I don't really work too hard. If I wanted to

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Speaker 2: What do you mean you don't work too hard? You're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: five and ten k a week, but I don't work hard.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, what, I know, that's beyond most people's wildest dreams.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm pretty lazy. I only really work like I

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Speaker 5: do one booking a day roughly, but that's all I

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Speaker 5: really need to do. And like I've got such a

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Speaker 5: busy home life, it's a perfect like balance. There has

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Speaker 5: been times where I've worked a lot harder and you know,

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Speaker 5: made double or triple that in a week, but generally

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, cool. Can you tell us about the

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Speaker 5: I find it really hard to focus on two things

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Speaker 5: lots of escort bookings, then I find my only fans

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Speaker 5: takes a massive dip. Or if I find I don't

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Speaker 5: have many escort bookings one week, then I can focus

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Speaker 5: my time on my only fans, and then that goes up,

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Speaker 5: So it really depends week to week, but like it

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Speaker 5: just depends on what I'm focusing on or what's like

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Speaker 5: busier that week. But yeah, so some weeks it's more

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Speaker 5: only fans. Like it really just depends so ebbs and

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Speaker 5: flows depending on where you're focusing your energy pretty much. Yeah, yeah, cool,

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Speaker 5: I find this so interesting. Tell me next, my friend,

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Speaker 5: what is your big money goal? So settling their two

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Speaker 5: investment properties. So we bought them eighteen months ago, but

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Speaker 5: they have settled yet, So I'm just putting money towards

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Speaker 5: like making sure I've got the twenty percent deposits on

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Speaker 4: That's a long settlement period. Is it two properties in

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Speaker 4: really long settlements.

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Speaker 5: They're two separate properties. The settlement has just been delayed.

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Speaker 5: They're like townhouses, so they'll settle. It's is that like

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Speaker 5: called turnkey? I think maybe?

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Speaker 4: So you're building yet, bip yep, that makes sense.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I put the five percent deposit down and

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Speaker 5: then I don't pay anything until like I'm ready to

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Speaker 5: have tenants move in basically, so yeah, it's a long time,

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Speaker 5: but they've got to like settle the land and build

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: That I was like, normally when you purchase settlements like

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Speaker 4: thirty to ninety days and I was like, oh my god,

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Speaker 4: eighteen months what happened. No, yeah, it was like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's off the plan basically, Yeah, yeah, airpic all right,

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Speaker 4: next question, And I feel like the answer is yes,

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Speaker 4: because you just told us about your properties. But do

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Speaker 4: you have any investments? If so, what are they?

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Speaker 1: So?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I would include the two townhouses that I just

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Speaker 5: told you. I've really been focusing on my SUPER the

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Speaker 5: last two years because mostly being self employed throughout my life,

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Speaker 5: I've definitely ignored that.

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Speaker 2: I feel like that's a very common thing with people

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Speaker 2: But regardless of what type of job you do, it

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Speaker 5: And like my dad would always like tell me, like,

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Speaker 5: make sure you're putting money in your super, and I'm like, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: And it was always a thing like yeah, when I've

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Speaker 5: start putting money into my SUPER. But I'm super glad

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Speaker 5: like an average I guess for my age. Finally it

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Speaker 5: feels really good. I'm like, oh, I feel and I'd

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Speaker 5: like to buy shares, but I'm really uneducated on them,

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Speaker 5: so they're completely like worthless. Now. I've bought air Tasker

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Speaker 5: shares when they first came out, and they were like

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Speaker 5: a dollar thirty and now they're like like two cents.

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Speaker 5: Oh really yeah, really shit?

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Speaker 2: What made you purchase air Tasker shares? Like, what made

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Speaker 2: you go? You know what? I'm going to get into

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Speaker 2: the share market. This is my entry level share. Why

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Speaker 5: I haven't got a clue to the honest I think

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Speaker 2: And as you said before, you were like, oh, I'm

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Speaker 5: Yeah. So the reason why I got into sex work

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Speaker 4: It sounds a lot like everything that you've said through

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Speaker 5: But it's put me in like such a different financial

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Speaker 2: years ago that I was talking to clients and I

439
00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,760
Speaker 2: was like, oh my gosh, you should just use like Stripe,

440
00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,800
Speaker 2: or you should just use some kind of platform like

441
00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,480
Speaker 2: Square reader or something. Sure, you can plug that into

442
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,320
Speaker 2: your website and you'll make your life so much easier.

443
00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,439
Speaker 2: And one of my clients was like, Victoria, do you

444
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,119
Speaker 2: know we can't have that? And I was like watch,

445
00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,960
Speaker 2: She's like I signed up for it and it got

446
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,679
Speaker 2: canceled and then they took all the money that was

447
00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,320
Speaker 2: in there, and I was like what, Like, I had

448
00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,080
Speaker 2: no idea that it was so hard. But it's a

449
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,280
Speaker 2: legal career in Australia, Like, it is a job that

450
00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,200
Speaker 2: you are legally able to do. Do you know why

451
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,000
Speaker 2: they're so discriminatory? Like that to me is insane.

452
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,280
Speaker 5: They see it as like a high risk industry, which

453
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 5: I don't agree with, Like, yeah, I think they see

454
00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 5: it as like potential for a high amount of chargebacks,

455
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,719
Speaker 5: but I don't know.

456
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,040
Speaker 2: I actually don't know. Before I've reached out to a

457
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,679
Speaker 2: platform before to get comment and have a chat and

458
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 2: be like I'd love to understand this further, but I

459
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,360
Speaker 2: didn't hear back. So to me, it just sounds insane

460
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,360
Speaker 2: that you can't have the freedom to just process payments

461
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,120
Speaker 2: the way you would want to. And I think this

462
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:24,160
Speaker 2: is a challenge that most people don't understand exists. It's

463
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 2: also around getting home loans and getting mortgages and people

464
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:31,359
Speaker 2: not respecting that as a genuine career, even though you'll go, well,

465
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 2: you know what, at the crux of it, I'm a

466
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 2: sole trader. I earned this amount of money and I

467
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 2: can prove it for the last five financial years and

468
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,120
Speaker 2: my bookkeeping is clean, like it is really easy look

469
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 2: at it. And they'll still look at that and go, oh,

470
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,880
Speaker 2: but it's sex work, can you go? But it's real work,

471
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 2: Like I don't understand.

472
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,159
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's one of the most like tricky things for

473
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,240
Speaker 5: me as a sex worker to get my head around,

474
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 5: because we do all these things, but at the end

475
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,639
Speaker 5: of the day, like my bank account get me closed

476
00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,400
Speaker 5: down tomorrow, right, and so, like society has this huge

477
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 5: issue with sex workers paying tax is like okay, great,

478
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 5: but to pay tax, I need to have a bank

479
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 5: account and paying takes for my business, like I want

480
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 5: to get something out of it, like a mortgage.

481
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,880
Speaker 2: Like yeah, like I genuinely want to contribute to this society.

482
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 2: I want to pay taxes, like, please let me do that.

483
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to scam the system. This is good

484
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:22,159
Speaker 2: on a sex work.

485
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 4: Are there accountants that specialize in your industry? Do you

486
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 4: have an accountant that like knows all the ins and

487
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,640
Speaker 4: outs and the challenges like the bank account thing that

488
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 4: sex workers have.

489
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, there is accountants that specialize in the industry. But again,

490
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 5: like I don't. I think there's there's ways around it.

491
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 5: You've got to get like someone who can help you

492
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 5: with like a bro car and that sort of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

493
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,399
Speaker 5: and you yeah, you just have to get creative, which

494
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 5: is you know, that's so interesting.

495
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,640
Speaker 4: I'd never thought about that being like a challenging part

496
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 4: of it because, like Victoria said it, so you go,

497
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 4: it's a job.

498
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 5: It is what it is.

499
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 4: Like people are doing the work, they're getting paid for it,

500
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,400
Speaker 4: and that should kind of be the end of the conversation.

501
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 4: And I get that, you know, it's not for everybody,

502
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 4: but it's crazy to think that businesses can you know,

503
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,400
Speaker 4: make those choices that really impact your ability to operate

504
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 4: and there's no laws against that. I mean, if you're

505
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 4: not doing anything wrong, I don't see why they should

506
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 4: be able to just pull the plug on your bank account.

507
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 2: And I think it really contributes as well, and maybe

508
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 2: you might agree with this. I feel like it contributes

509
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 2: to the stigma because it stops you from legitimizing your

510
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 2: business in a way that means that you can talk

511
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,360
Speaker 2: about it more openly or you know, share your structures

512
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 2: or share what's going on, or just go oh no,

513
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 2: this is legit. This is how it's set up, this

514
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 2: is how it is. Like people are like, oh, well,

515
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 2: you're not allowed to do that. Like that to me

516
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 2: just feels like it's a step in the wrong direction. Like, guys,

517
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 2: it's twenty twenty two. We can do that if we

518
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 2: want to. Like, it's not as though this is outlawed

519
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,919
Speaker 2: here in Australia. This is a genuine stream of employment,

520
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 2: like you can pick it when you do your tax

521
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,679
Speaker 2: return from the drop down menu. It's not something that

522
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 2: isn't recognized. So I don't understand why platforms don't support you.

523
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 2: And to be honest, I think it would create a

524
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 2: safer sex work environment if you were able to have

525
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 2: that back up, right, Like if you were able to

526
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 2: process payments through a third party platform, so if something

527
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 2: doesn't go right, you are protected in the same way

528
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 2: I would be if I went and did a financial

529
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 2: advice meeting, Yeah, and saying with like income protection and

530
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 2: like all the insurances in our superannuation absolutely not like

531
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 2: I've checked emailed them and I've gotten confirmation like no,

532
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 2: like sex work is not COVID, there is no way

533
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 2: it's not. So it's not. So I'm pretty sure you

534
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 2: can have life insurance. But TPD, trauma insurance, and income

535
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 2: protection are all quite cagey around sex work because they

536
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 2: just think it's too high of a risk industry for

537
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 2: them to cover. And I mean, from my point of view,

538
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 2: I can see where they're coming from, but I also

539
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 2: can't see where they're coming from because the things they say,

540
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,199
Speaker 2: like I'll talk to underwriters and I'll be like, I

541
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 2: don't understand, Like she's a sex worker, why won't you

542
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 2: cover her? Because I always going to bat for my clients,

543
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 2: and even if I've had the conversation before, I want

544
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 2: to be able to say no money direst I literally

545
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 2: called them again and they're still unwilling, but they'll say

546
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,959
Speaker 2: it's super high risk, Like the chance of STDs are

547
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 2: really high, And I'm like, have you ever met a

548
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 2: sex worker? Like do you realize that the chance that

549
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 2: they have a STD is so much lower than the

550
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 2: general population, Like I am higher risk, Like you don't

551
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 2: ask me how much I sleep around in my you know,

552
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 2: income protection applications, But you'll jump to a conclusion about

553
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 2: a sex worker when in reality, I can guarantee you

554
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 2: a lot of the general public are being a lot

555
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 2: less safe. So I feel like it's just very counterintuitive

556
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 2: and very driven by stereotypes, which is just blankantly unfair.

557
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,719
Speaker 5: It's so unfair. I'm so annoyed about it.

558
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I share your frustrations, but I want to

559
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 2: go back to something you said before, like, when you

560
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 2: chose this industry, you had to be aware of you know,

561
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: maybe your family, your friends not accepting it, or you know,

562
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 2: people judging you, or people from your chi school or

563
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 2: their friends finding out. How have you dealt with that?

564
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 2: Is that something that's really hard for you.

565
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 5: As I've gotten older, No, But when I was younger, yeah,

566
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 5: it was hard because like I knew I was making

567
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 5: the best decision for me, you know, growing up as

568
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 5: someone with ADHC. It was so hard to focus in school.

569
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, I don't know what I'm gonna do. Like,

570
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 5: life's just going to be so hard for me. I

571
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 5: just know it. As soon as I found out about sex, like,

572
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, this is my chance to like

573
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 5: live a normal life and be okay, Like I'm going

574
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 5: to be fine now thanks to sex work. And because

575
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 5: I started so young, I didn't expect my friends to

576
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 5: really understand and they dropped me. And that was really hard,

577
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 5: Like it was quite isolating. You know, there's no hard feelings.

578
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 5: We've actually all redconnected now. Oh I love that. Yeah,

579
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 5: that's nice. I told my family a few years later,

580
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 5: and that all went down like really fine. My mum

581
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 5: was just like, oh I wish I did that when

582
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 5: I before I met your dad.

583
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 2: She's like, you child, you're really smart.

584
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. So my family are pretty like liberal and

585
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 5: like very much like me, so you know, I was

586
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 5: expecting that to be fine. My husband comes from a

587
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 5: very very conservative family. So I think they just think

588
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 5: that I don't even have a job at the moment.

589
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 2: Is this really kept woman? You are a kept woman?

590
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 5: Yeah? I think they think I'm just really lazy and

591
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 5: don't do anything, let them, let them keep like I.

592
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 2: Also, but guys, guys, I'm still contributing to this family.

593
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 5: Yeah. Look, it was hard when I was younger, but

594
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 5: now that I'm older and like, I've got thick skin

595
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 5: and I don't know, I don't really care what people

596
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 5: think of me either, So it's fun.

597
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: I feel like I've obviously followed you and know your

598
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 2: journey and your story and know that you have two

599
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 2: kids and you have a loving husband. But I feel

600
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 2: like that's such a juxtaposition to what people think the

601
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 2: world of sex work is. Like, do you find that

602
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 2: this is pretty comm Like in the sex industry, lots

603
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 2: of people are married with kids, but they don't promote it,

604
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 2: they don't talk about it, that's not part of their

605
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 2: online personas. Like is that something as you were growing

606
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 2: up you were like, oh my gosh, I don't know

607
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 2: if I will have a family and a husband because

608
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: I've chosen this career path. Or you're always like, no,

609
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 2: it's not going to matter.

610
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was actually talking about that with a girlfriend yesterday. Yeah,

611
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 5: that actually was part of, you know, the reasoning for

612
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 5: a lot of my life's choices. I thought i'd never

613
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 5: be loved and I would never find a partner, like

614
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 5: I'm a sex worker, no one's ever going to accept

615
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 5: me and stuff like that. We're just talking about it yesterday.

616
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 5: How like wild it is that you know, I've got this,

617
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 5: you know, white picked fence, two and a half kids

618
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 5: lifestyle and I'm a sex circus. I've got my cake

619
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 5: and I'm eating it too, Like I've definitely got everything.

620
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 2: I genuinely feel like you do, especially because you said, oh,

621
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 2: we just went on a family holiday to the US,

622
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 2: like that was really big. How as a sex worker

623
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 2: did you travel to the US, because I know that's

624
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 2: a massive hurdle for a lot of my clients.

625
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, so part of the ESTA requirements is you're not

626
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 5: allowed to have been involved in prostitution in the last

627
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 5: ten years. And obviously, like I am, so it's just

628
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 5: like a punt. Really, you just have to like go

629
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 5: there could be a chance you'll get in. There could

630
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 5: be a chance you'll get sent home at the border.

631
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 5: I was fully prepared to go and be sent home

632
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 5: because I knew well and clear, like my face is

633
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 5: all over the internet, they could have dirt on me,

634
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,239
Speaker 5: Like I could get sent home at the border. We

635
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 5: had like plans in place for what my husband and

636
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 5: kids would do if that was the case. It was

637
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 5: only like landing there. I was like, oh, I am

638
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 5: absolutely not prepared to get back on a plane and

639
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 5: go back to Paha.

640
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 2: I don't want this. I do not want this. I

641
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 2: came all this way to be sent home.

642
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it was fine I had. They didn't ask

643
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 5: me any questions. I had no troubles getting in, and

644
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 5: I'm really really grateful and really lucky for that because

645
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 5: I know, like sex workers get sent back all the time,

646
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 5: so I don't think there's any rhymal reasons into like

647
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 5: getting in. It's just, yeah, you just have to like

648
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 5: play your cards, right, I guess, and actually go there

649
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 5: genuinely for a holiday. I think a lot of the

650
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 5: time girls get sent back because they're going to and

651
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 5: they're planning on working on a tourist visa. But if

652
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 5: you're genuinely going for a holiday and you've got evidence

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Speaker 5: of that, I think you should be okay. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I'm not an expert, so I'm not going to give travel.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely don't bank on it because I don't

656
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 2: even have a clue. I find it really sad honestly

657
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Speaker 2: that you know, we talk about sex work at Cheese

658
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 2: on the Money so openly, and it's just another career

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Speaker 2: that people in our community have and a job that

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Speaker 2: people do, and it doesn't matter here nor there to us,

661
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 2: and we just go, yeah, it's normal. But you start

662
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 2: having these conversations with people in the industry and you

663
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 2: realize how much discrimination still exists, Like the ability for

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Speaker 2: you to go overseas is hindered, Like you can't be

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Speaker 2: open and honest about your career while traveling Like that

666
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,959
Speaker 2: to me seems insane that if I was to go

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Speaker 2: and put on my border entry pass to the US

668
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 2: financial advisor, they look at me and be like, go home,

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Speaker 2: So this isn't a place for you. I'd be horrified.

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Speaker 2: But somehow we're not talking about the fact that all

671
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Speaker 2: of our friends in the sex industry can't have payment

672
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 2: platforms and can't travel freely and can't generate income in

673
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,479
Speaker 2: the same ways and get bank accounts shut down. Like

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Speaker 2: this is an industry that if you're in, you've got

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Speaker 2: to work really hard to stay in because they don't

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Speaker 2: make it easy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and like these are things I've gotten so used to,

678
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 5: Like I forget like how easy other people have it.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, it would be so nice to get

680
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 5: to America and not have anxiety about getting sent home

681
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Speaker 5: and phone into an immigration prison.

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Speaker 2: That risk would have stopped me from even going at all.

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Speaker 2: I would have been like, absolutely not. I'm not a

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Speaker 2: risk taker. I get anxious when a policeman drives past

685
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Speaker 2: me in their car off duty. I'm like, oh my god,

686
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: am I going to get arrested? I don't understand. In fact,

687
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Speaker 2: Jess and I were crossing the road the other day

688
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 2: and they were you know in the CBD they do

689
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: their traffic control training and they're like stop traffic and

690
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 2: like you ignore the traffic lights. I was standing there

691
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Speaker 2: like being like to Jess, can I cross and just

692
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I don't think so, you can't go yet.

693
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Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, I don't want to be arrested.

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Speaker 2: And the girl just looked at me and she was like,

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Speaker 2: you're not going to get arrested. Don't worried. I was like,

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Speaker 2: thank you, let me go to the shop, spy. But

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Speaker 2: it was one of those things where I feel like

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00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 2: your career would be full of anxieties because you're just

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00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: trying to do the right thing and just make a

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Speaker 2: career for yourself and look after your kids and look

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00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,479
Speaker 2: after your husband, and you know, have a life that

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00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 2: you enjoy and you deserve to have because you've worked

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00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 2: so hard for it. Yeah, and there's so many things

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00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 2: just in everyday life where you have to like, you know,

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00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 2: even just writing down your occupation details for like school

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00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 2: enrollments or daycare enrollments. I'm like, well, if I write

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Speaker 2: the truth, are they going to what are they going

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00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: to do? Like, and how are they gonna judge your kids?

709
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 2: Like I'm assuming it's not necessarily you anymore, because you

710
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 2: said before, I've got a thick skin, I don't really

711
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 2: care what you think of me. But are they going

712
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: to treat your kids differently in school once they find

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Speaker 2: out mum's a sex worker?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So these are other things you have to consider.

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Speaker 5: And I guess being in the industry for so long,

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00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 5: like I've kind of forgotten like what it would be

717
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 5: like to not live without all these weird anxieties and

718
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 5: stuff like that. But yeah, if you're considering getting into

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00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 5: sex workio, the money is great, but there is a

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Speaker 5: bit of a trade off sometimes and I feel like

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00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 5: that's the same for every career, right, Like, in every

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00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 5: career trades time for money, and there's always some level

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Speaker 5: of additional compromise, whether it is you know, your safety

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Speaker 5: or your security, or you know, working over time, or

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00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 5: you know, not being treated well or not earning enough

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00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 5: money and working too many hours. Like I feel like

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00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 5: there's compromise in every industry. It just breaks my heart

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Speaker 5: to think that yours has additional compromise when it's already

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Speaker 5: so hard. Money diarists, thank you for joining us, but

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Speaker 5: unfortunately I think that's all we have time for today.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, no, thank you for sharing your story

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Speaker 2: and your journey. I feel like I've learned a lot

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Speaker 2: but also had a pervy insight to what it's like

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Speaker 2: to be a sex worker who has a white picket

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Speaker 2: VM's two point five kids, gorgeous husband, and still goes

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Speaker 2: out and makes absolute bank while still having a great lifestyle. Like,

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Speaker 2: I just feel like you're living the dream, my friend.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, definitely my dream.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just do you want to wrap the boring but

741
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Speaker 2: important stuff? Absolutely don't forget guys.

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Speaker 2: See you on Wednesday, guys.

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