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Speaker 1: You put on your dance and shoes, give me your

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Speaker 1: best shut you'll catch it with a sister Jesse and

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Speaker 1: they're canceled podcast at momamea dot com dot Are you

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Speaker 1: fresh back from.

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Speaker 2: A trip on the gan with her mum which I've

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Speaker 2: been following on Instagram? That look like fun?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Clear, Stevens, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'd love to go on the gam.

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Speaker 4: Oh it was so much fun. You have to do it.

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Speaker 4: It was great and great to do with a parent.

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Speaker 3: Does the scenery change.

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Speaker 4: Yes, between especially like you're in the Red Center and

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Speaker 4: then you're in what feels I haven't been to Darwin,

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Speaker 4: so to me it felt like Bali or something like.

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Speaker 4: It's all tropical babulous. Yeah, it's amazing.

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Speaker 2: And because you went with your mum was shit? Was

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Speaker 2: it on her dime?

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Speaker 4: No it wasn't. It was a work trip, so mom

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Speaker 4: was kind of on our.

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Speaker 2: Dime, so she was on your dime.

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Speaker 4: Ye, she's loving it.

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Speaker 2: And you know what happens. This is where it all changes,

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Speaker 2: because it's one minute where your parents are always paying,

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Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, as soon as this happens,

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Speaker 2: you two are now going to be the people the pay.

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Speaker 2: So that's where it's changed.

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Speaker 4: I welcome to the party it has. And speaking of that,

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Speaker 4: because because somebody who knows about paying is Kim Kardashian,

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Speaker 4: and I've got a story about her.

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Speaker 2: Please please, I don't think there's enough stories about there.

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Speaker 4: We don't talk about them nearly enough. So you might

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Speaker 4: remember in March this year, Kim Kardashian did an interview

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Speaker 4: with Variety, and in that interview, she was asked for

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Speaker 4: her advice for women in business, and she said, I

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Speaker 4: have the best advice for women in business. Get your

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Speaker 4: effing us up and work. It seems like nobody wants

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Speaker 4: to work these days. It didn't go down very well.

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Speaker 4: People got very upset, and for many reasons, but mostly

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Speaker 4: privileged people were like, well, it's yes, I'm sure you've

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Speaker 4: you've worked. I'm sure you get up in the morning

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Speaker 4: and you do some things. But it's been incredibly you've

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Speaker 4: had a leg up.

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Speaker 2: Kim.

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Speaker 3: Her father was Robert Kardashian, who was O. J. Simpson's lawyer.

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Speaker 3: So she hasn't come from a nondescript background exactly.

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Speaker 4: She grew up with the likes of Paris Hilton. She

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Speaker 4: didn't come from nowhere to make matters. Worst former employees

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Speaker 4: came out and accused the whole family of making them

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Speaker 4: work ridiculously hard for not a lot of money. So

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Speaker 4: they're trying to say, you can work and not make

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Speaker 4: it not get rewarded. Yes, So then Kim decided to

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Speaker 4: do what Kim does best. She was silent at the time,

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Speaker 4: but now on the new season of The Kardashians, she's

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Speaker 4: essentially released a PR statement about the backlash, but via

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Speaker 4: the show.

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Speaker 3: In a way, she's saving all her real life stuff

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Speaker 3: for when she's on television.

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Speaker 4: Exactly, so it looks like a natural conversation between her

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Speaker 4: and her sisters. But really it's a PR statement. She

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Speaker 4: says the comment was taken out of context. The interviewer

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Speaker 4: has said it really wasn't, But in a phone call

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Speaker 4: to her mum Chris, during the episode, she said, I'm mortified.

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Speaker 4: It's all my fault, and Chris said, it's not your fault, sweetie.

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Speaker 4: People misunderstood where you were coming from. Then, speaking to

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Speaker 4: the camera, Kim said, when I made that statement, it

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Speaker 4: wasn't a blanket statement towards all women. I see women

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Speaker 4: work hard all the time. The people I see in

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Speaker 4: my life who work the hardest of women. But I

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Speaker 4: hate that I got misunderstood and for that, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: Now then she's getting lunch with her sisters and they're

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Speaker 4: having a bit of a chat and Chloe defends Kim

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Speaker 4: and says, no, but you did work, and no matter what,

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Speaker 4: people are going to accuse you of being born with

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Speaker 4: a silver spoon in your mouth. Yes, either way. And

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Speaker 4: then Kim explains that really they didn't grow up as

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Speaker 4: privileged as people think. She brings up a story of

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Speaker 4: the time her parents once had to sell their home

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Speaker 4: in Hidden Hills, a gated community full of rich and

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Speaker 4: famous people. She said, if people understood that, yeah, we

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Speaker 4: grew up privileged, but people don't know the story of

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Speaker 4: your dad and mum having to sell their house because

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Speaker 4: they couldn't afford it and they had to move to

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Speaker 4: an apartment. Oh so, guys, if we could be respectful

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Speaker 4: and just give a moment's silence to Kim wants to

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Speaker 4: live in an apartment.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine what some prayers?

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Speaker 4: Man, It's just so tragic. And then and then she

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Speaker 4: said that people seem to think that the sex tape

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Speaker 4: and the reality show opened doors for her, but it didn't.

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Speaker 4: She says, I always felt like I had to work

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Speaker 4: extra hard to be taken seriously and for people to

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Speaker 4: forget about my past.

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Speaker 2: It's true.

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Speaker 4: I do think that there is a bit of tension

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Speaker 4: here because Kim should be able to say I grew

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Speaker 4: up very privileged. However I work hard. I believe the

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Speaker 4: woman works hard. She works hard, she reckon, she does

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Speaker 4: long days.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, those sex tapes don't make him sex.

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Speaker 3: But as the world's biggest influencer, she has to work

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Speaker 3: hard and provide content every day. She does work.

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Speaker 4: Hard, Yes she does, and you should be able to

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Speaker 4: say both. I grew up with a very good background,

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Speaker 4: but I also worked hard. But right now it's very

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Speaker 4: unpopular to say that you grew up privileged. You're not

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Speaker 4: allowed to.

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Speaker 2: I did all right as a kid male. Mam was

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Speaker 2: an airline pilot. Oh I love that we didn't struggle.

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Speaker 2: You know, I would never dare say anything other pretty.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, well, we we were I guess upper middle class.

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Speaker 3: But America has also gone through this thing where you're

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Speaker 3: not allowed to say you're smart, that this is the

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Speaker 3: modern America. You can't say. Bizarrely, Donald Trump, billionaire has

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Speaker 3: made people not He.

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Speaker 2: Had one small loan of a million dollars from my

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Speaker 2: father to America.

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Speaker 3: Is that don't say you've got money, and don't say

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Speaker 3: you're smart. You're not allowed to say either of those things.

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Speaker 3: Has got undermines every achievement you've ever had.

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Speaker 2: You can't say you're white and boring. That's what it is.

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Speaker 4: Yes, not allowed to say that. It doesn't make you interesting.

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Speaker 2: Sadly, at fifty four, I'm white and I'm boring. I

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Speaker 2: could have told you that at twelve, and you're taking

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Speaker 2: your mum on the gain and on your dime. You were, Jesse.

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Speaker 2: This is great, Claire, You're always are.

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Speaker 1: You can hear more from Claire with Jesse on cancel

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Speaker 1: com onmea dot com, dota you we'll catch you next week.

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Speaker 4: But