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Speaker 2: Now, what was the first big challenge when you brought

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Speaker 3: The first bath was probably a little bit and a

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Speaker 4: No, I haven't done that for a while, so I

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Speaker 1: And now here's the scars of our show, my mom

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Speaker 5: Gooday, this is doctor Justin Colson. I'm on my own today.

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Speaker 5: Normally I would have missus Happy Families, my wife and

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Speaker 5: so that we can have a talk about whatever it

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Speaker 5: is that we've got to talk about today for parenting. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 5: as is the case when you have a big family,

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Speaker 6: Be in two places at once.

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Speaker 5: So Kyle is not with me today, which I'm really

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Speaker 5: this fantastic TV show on Channel nine parental Guidance. We

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Speaker 5: have Brett and Tony, dads to four nine year old boys,

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Speaker 5: and finalists in the crowded House, joining me for today's

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Speaker 6: Morning gentlemen, morning, justin how it is so great to

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Speaker 5: Now for those of those of our podcast listeners who

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Speaker 5: have not been able to watch the show or perhaps

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Speaker 5: got Brett and Tony and there's four boys age nine.

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Speaker 5: Can you just give us the short version of how

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Speaker 5: I mean they didn't start nine years old.

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Speaker 6: Obviously you've had them from the beginning. How do you

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Speaker 5: Sorry, I still struggle to say it. I've got six

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Speaker 6: You've got quads, Yes, yes we have.

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Speaker 3: I don't know whether we can make it a short story,

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Speaker 3: were actually met at high school, being sort of best

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Speaker 4: So we looked into a little bit and yeah, we

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Speaker 7: We had several attempts prior to success, and then in

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Speaker 8: Well nine to now have been digging into the archives

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Speaker 2: Two gay dads, four newborn baby boys, one unusual family,

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Speaker 2: a modern miracle delivered by an Indian fertility clinic given

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Speaker 3: We've had lots and lots of support from family and friends.

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Speaker 6: We don't see a lot of gay dads.

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Speaker 3: I think I think Breton, Brett and I have always

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Speaker 5: After the break, We're going to find out about Breton

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Speaker 5: Tony's experience on Parental Guidance, their biggest learnings, the style

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Speaker 5: Unfortunately she couldn't be with us. Talking with Britain Tony

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Speaker 5: As well, when the Crowded House ended and we discovered

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Speaker 8: Absolutely not no, we've never been camping. We had bush fires,

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Speaker 4: Definitely the Frank Chess with their one child.

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Speaker 3: Nature would have been really definitely. I think we could

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Speaker 8: And I also would have liked Debt from the homeschooling

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Speaker 8: And well, if you've got Nature and you've got her where,

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Speaker 4: Over twelve kids already. And then of course us we

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Speaker 6: You guys are massacres.

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Speaker 5: I'm so glad you don't produce reality TV that I

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Speaker 5: hard for the parents. Guys, we need to wrap this up.

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Speaker 5: One last question for you. It's been such a delightful conversation.

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Speaker 5: You thought, my goodness, as if we'd go on that.

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Speaker 5: When you saw it, Brett, you thought, this is a

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Speaker 5: crazy show. Who's going to put their family up and

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Speaker 5: they raise their kids. Now that you've done it, not

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Like we we loved the whole like we love

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Speaker 3: we love doing the challenges with the kids. It gave

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Speaker 4: You know, we grew that, like I.

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Speaker 3: Think, you know, the kids feel like little superstars too

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Speaker 4: You know, we've had a and you know, we've had a.

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Speaker 4: And also, you.

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Speaker 8: People would have to think about it, but yeah, I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, something we will be able to have forever.

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Speaker 5: Our TV shows well Britain, Tony, our routine parents from

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Speaker 6: Great talking with you, Thanks so much for your time,

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Speaker 6: Thanks so much, Justin.

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