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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the

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Speaker 1: hottest influenza and pop culture news twice a week. I'm

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Speaker 1: Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, Australian influencers

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Speaker 1: on a brand trip to Ularu have been accused of

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Speaker 1: disrespecting indigenous sites. Chrissy Teagan resurrects Megan Markle's disastrous second

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Speaker 1: season launch, and Tammy Hembro and Bailey Smith make it

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Speaker 1: Instagram official. But first, Kate, A lot of our listeners

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Speaker 1: have been joking that Laura Henshaw has put a curse

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Speaker 1: on you.

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Speaker 2: Look, I think she's too much of a nice person

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Speaker 2: to do that. I think I've brought karma on myself

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Speaker 2: because in our Subs episode we spoke about how terrible

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Speaker 2: and raspy her voice was because the poor thing was

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Speaker 2: sick as a dog. I'm not really that sick. I

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Speaker 2: just sound terrible recents.

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Speaker 1: I've got laryngitis, yes, and you refuse to miss out

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Speaker 1: on being on the podcast. Sophie said she was going

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Speaker 1: to sub herself in, but you've insisted and that you're

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Speaker 1: going to push through.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's some great topics to speak about this week,

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Speaker 2: So I'm sorry that you have to listen to my

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Speaker 2: very annoying voice. So April fourteenth May, Wait, is that

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Speaker 2: sixteen or eighteen?

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Speaker 3: On eighteenth?

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Speaker 4: John?

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Speaker 2: Is it?

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Speaker 3: Miles? May May sixteen.

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Speaker 1: Chrissy Tagan has revealed she had to get a tattoo

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Speaker 1: of her kid's birthdays so she can remember them. The

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Speaker 1: admission came after she appeared as a guest on the

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Speaker 1: second series of Meghan Markle's Netflix show We Love Meghan.

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Speaker 2: I feel like this was a real highlight for the

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Speaker 2: show because we are fans of Meghan, and I don't

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Speaker 2: like to bag her show out because I thoroughly enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: But it seems to have bombed in the ratings. It

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Speaker 2: wasn't even in the top Netflix shows to watch well.

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Speaker 1: When we were chatting about the show earlier today, k

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Speaker 1: you said that it's a great show to have on

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Speaker 1: in the background to fall asleep too.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. I had the best sleep on Friday

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Speaker 2: night in front of this show. I got my Squish

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Speaker 2: mellow and a blanket on the couch. I was out

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Speaker 2: for hours. It was delightful. It kind of reminds me

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Speaker 2: because I used to love falling asleep in front of

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Speaker 2: like Nigella Lawson, And that's no disrespect to her show.

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Speaker 2: It's about the atmosphere that it creates.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the inten with love Meghan,

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Speaker 1: for you to fall asleep in front of her, but

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Speaker 1: I know what you mean. It's just that wholesome, like

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Speaker 1: you can have it on in the background and be

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Speaker 1: doing something else. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I also did a puzzle on Saturday Night, I mean

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Speaker 2: the wild weekend that I had.

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Speaker 3: Gosh, you really are the target market for this show.

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Speaker 2: But I think this season they've actually had a lot

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Speaker 2: better guests. So they had like Jay Shaddy, they had

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Speaker 2: Chrissy Teagan. There were a few that they could have

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Speaker 2: done without, Like there was this boring old guy at

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Speaker 1: But do you notice they actually highlighted some of Meghan's

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Speaker 1: mistakes throughout the show.

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Speaker 3: When they were doing the flower arranging.

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Speaker 1: She poured water into the vessels and all of the

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Speaker 1: water flooded the table. And there was another time when

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Speaker 1: she was making some kind of like fruit roll up

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Speaker 1: and she couldn't sive it through or were you asleep then?

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Speaker 2: I actually don't recall the second but the weirdest thing

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Speaker 2: for me is that every time she introduces this new craft,

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Speaker 2: she's like, oh, we're going to be making soap, and

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Speaker 2: then she admits it's the first time that she's ever

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Speaker 2: done it. It's like, well, it's obviously you've just been

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Speaker 3: Well, she's a princess. She's hardly making her own soap.

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Speaker 2: What about when she was making the silk scarfs and

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Speaker 2: she just was like so impressed with everything that she did.

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Speaker 2: She's like, yeah, they're gonna like this.

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Speaker 1: She knows that most normal people, like, if you were

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Speaker 1: given a gift from Megan Markle that was handmade, how

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Speaker 1: much would you treasure that even if it was just

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Speaker 1: some like piece of crap.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love her line is not too shabby, Like

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Speaker 1: I love it because every time she gets a compliment,

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Speaker 2: kid's birthdays, this came up when Meghan suggested that they

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Speaker 2: should make pressed flower jewelry, and she said that they

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Speaker 2: should use flowers from their children's birth month, and it

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Speaker 2: sent Christy into a bit of a panic because she's like, Oh,

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Speaker 2: then remembered that she has a tattoo on her arm

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Speaker 2: that lists them all. However, she needed Meghan's help deciphering

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Speaker 2: it because one of the tattoos was a little bit blurred.

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Speaker 2: She couldn't tell her son's birthday was on the sixteenth

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Speaker 1: But the birthdays were in Roman numerals, so she had

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Speaker 3: That was where the confusion was.

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Speaker 2: See. I forced Reese to watch Meghan's show with me,

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Speaker 2: and he said, God, you can see how powerful Meghan

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Speaker 2: Markle is that she's got John Legend waiting for his

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Speaker 3: She was like, Oh, sorry, had I know, and I

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Speaker 2: We're talking about h Meghan dropped that she had hats

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Speaker 2: made for Prince Harry's fortieth so they gave them to

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Speaker 2: all of his friends that attended the party, and printed

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Speaker 3: Was p H forty What Prince Harry?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that means his friends call him Prince Harry.

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Speaker 1: When I hear the word pH I just think of

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Speaker 1: like the acidity levels. Wouldn't you feel like a bit

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Speaker 1: of a wyanker walking around with a hat that said

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Speaker 2: I wonder if she has one that says dos Duchess

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Speaker 2: of Sussege. I was really surprised to hear Chrissy and

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Speaker 2: Meghan talk about deal and o'deal, because that's how they

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Speaker 2: actually met, being briefcase girls on that show. I thought

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Speaker 2: Megan might have tried to hide that a little bit.

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Speaker 1: What did I just get in my head when you

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Speaker 1: said that briefcase wanker from in Betweens?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 1: I thought it was kind of good that Meghan touched

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Speaker 1: opening the briefcase.

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Speaker 3: Uh dressed with me.

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Speaker 1: Tammy Hembro and Bailey Smith made it Instagram official on

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Speaker 1: Friday night, just three weeks after they were busted on

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Speaker 1: a day on the Gold Coast. The pair confirmed their

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Speaker 1: romance by sharing an intimate look at their date night.

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Speaker 1: Tammy posted a photo of Bailey's hand on her leg

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Speaker 1: as they dined at an exclusive restaurant in Melbourne. The

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Speaker 1: hard launch has added further fuel to speculation that Tammy

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Speaker 1: will be walking the red carpet at the Brown Low.

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Speaker 2: My jaw hit the floor when I saw Tammy's story.

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Speaker 2: As I mentioned in the megan topic, I was a

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Speaker 2: comatost on the couch in front of that show, and

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Speaker 2: when I saw the initial snap of the fancy restaurant

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Speaker 2: see any distinguishing features of who she was actually dining.

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Speaker 3: With, even though it was so obvious it was him.

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Speaker 2: Well, she's been in Melbourne with her sister, so I thought,

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Speaker 2: maybe it's her sister. Maybe she's just teasing.

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Speaker 3: Oh, she just so.

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Speaker 1: Happens to be in Melbourne now every weekend. I mean,

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Speaker 1: she's been in Melbourne more times than she was when

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Speaker 1: she was dating Matt, and.

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Speaker 2: Melbourne, of course is his hometown. Thankfully, Tammy didn't keep

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Speaker 2: us guessing for too long, because two hours later she

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Speaker 2: shared an updated photo from the table, this time with

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Speaker 2: the visible hand on her leg. Bailey then only re

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Speaker 2: shared the photo to take any guesswork out of it.

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Speaker 2: It's funny because it seemed like some people were confused

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Speaker 2: in Tammy's comments because she ended up posting photos of

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Speaker 2: her in that pink dress that she wore on the date,

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Speaker 2: and people were like, oh, were you out with Matt?

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Speaker 2: Is it back on?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 2: What? So keep up?

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Speaker 3: People read the daily Mail for goodness sake.

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Speaker 1: I love how it was almost like Tammy was trying

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Speaker 1: to soft launch this relationship by sharing the stock standard.

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Speaker 1: You know man's hand in the photo. Yeah, they'd been

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Speaker 1: kissing in front of all these diners at arrestaurant a

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Speaker 3: They've been popped out together.

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Speaker 2: I was wondering how many wines deep they were when

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Speaker 2: they shared the photo. But when I had a closer look,

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Speaker 2: Tammy was the only one drinking. She had a glass

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Speaker 2: of wine in front of her, but Bailey was visibly

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Speaker 2: double parked on two soft drinks. He is in the

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Speaker 2: midst of preparing for a finals campaign with Geelong Football Club.

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Speaker 2: He had the weekend off before his team takes on

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Speaker 2: Brisbane at the MCG on Friday night. I have a

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Speaker 2: feeling Tammy will be there.

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine Gelong's coach will be thrilled about this.

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Speaker 2: Whole relationship all their supporters if they bomb out of

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Speaker 2: the finals.

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Speaker 1: Just giving Victoria Beckham vibes. When Bex was playing in

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Speaker 1: a lot of the finals and the coach was just like.

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Speaker 3: For fox sake, why is she down at the game.

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Speaker 3: It's so distracting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if ge'el long out of the finals, all the

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 3: Now, this day came just twenty four hours after Bailey

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Speaker 1: It's funny because I was out on Thursday night with

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Speaker 1: on and sop and a friend Owen was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: is that the Brownlow Medal? Like, it's Tammy out that

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Speaker 1: My No, the Brownload medal is right before the Grand Final.

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Speaker 1: We haven't even started finals yet.

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Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say, look it's Tammy

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Speaker 2: Hambro's boyfriend on the TV.

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Speaker 1: But on a more serious note, Bailey bravely spoke about

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Speaker 1: his mental health battles and this is while he was

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Speaker 1: accepting his All Australian Blazer. Let's take a listen to

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Speaker 1: what he said.

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Speaker 5: It was about a year ago I got out of

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Speaker 5: asych word, I was in Epworth Campbell for like four weeks.

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Speaker 5: I'm and I got a couple of hours out today

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Speaker 5: and I spent that sort of training and I went

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Speaker 5: through a really dark time, and yeah, I didn't think

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Speaker 5: i'd get to suppose the other side. I know, not

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Speaker 5: just an injury, but until you sort of experience it

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Speaker 5: and have a sense of identity sort of taken away

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Speaker 5: from you and then sort of go through, you know,

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Speaker 5: some teething issues with I don't know, moving clubs and

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Speaker 5: I don't know outside noise and still trying to just

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Speaker 5: grow up and yeah, rehab a knee. So yeah, I'm

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Speaker 5: super grateful to be, you know, on the other side

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Speaker 2: I was absolutely blown away by what he said. It

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Speaker 2: was incredibly powerful and I think it will help so

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Speaker 2: many young men out there. I've personally lost a friend

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Speaker 3: Now, it really divided.

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Speaker 3: So for those not familiar with Paul Alima.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so he showed himself sitting on the toilet, Fate

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Speaker 1: Australian influencers on a brand trip to Ularu have been

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Speaker 2: There's been a bit of confusion about who hosted this

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Speaker 1: run as a commercial tourism business, not a government funded hotel. However,

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Speaker 1: its ownership and financial backing ultimately comes from an Australian

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Speaker 1: government established body, which is the Indigenous Land and Sea Corporation,

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Speaker 1: So therefore the resort is indirectly supported through government created

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Speaker 1: funding mechanisms now. In terms of this trip, a group

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Speaker 1: of mostly white creators were invited to come along. Alissa

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Speaker 1: Jane Bella, Messina, Jessica Thordo, Tyra Brook, Ella Victoria, and

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Speaker 1: Lily April Rose attended. Elissa, Bella and Jessica are the

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Speaker 1: influencers though who have been receiving the most backlash. So

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Speaker 1: the three women are friends and have gained large social

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Speaker 1: media followings for sharing content centered around motherhood and lifestyle.

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Speaker 1: Alissa and Jessica are actually both currently pregnant now. In

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Speaker 1: terms of the content they shared, it was typical of

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Speaker 1: what you would expect from an influencer brand trip, so

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Speaker 1: before arriving in Ularu, they shared what they had packed

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Speaker 1: for the trip and their time at the airport, and

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Speaker 1: upon arrival they did a room tour and showed off

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Speaker 1: the goodie bags they received.

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Speaker 2: Yeah and the following morning, Jessica filmed to Get Ready

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Speaker 2: with Me video and she spoke about how it was

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Speaker 2: a real full circle moment for her because she actually

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Speaker 2: worked at the hotel they were staying at seven years ago.

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Speaker 2: She also spoke about what was on the agenda for

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Speaker 2: the day, which included a did Redo workshop, Bushyards, a

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Speaker 2: visit to an art gallery and dot painting Now people

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Speaker 2: were left outraged when the women started sharing content from

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Speaker 2: day one of the trip because rather than sharing about

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Speaker 2: the Indigenous culture, they shared fit checks and trending sound

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Speaker 2: videos in front of Ularu.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: There was a lot of backlash over this content and

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Speaker 1: a lot of people questioned why no Indigenous creators were

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Speaker 1: invited on this trip. The influencers also got criticized for

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Speaker 1: not appropriately acknowledging country in their content, and to make

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Speaker 1: matters worse, influencers are accused of blocking First Nations people

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Speaker 1: when they shared their concerns about the brand.

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Speaker 2: Trip Now influencer Eloi's fit was one of the first

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Speaker 2: creators to call out the trip, and annow deleted TikTok.

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Speaker 2: A Reddit thread was also created by an anonymous First

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Speaker 2: Nations woman who wrote, They've flown a bunch of white

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Speaker 2: women to Ularu to take selfies and make sponsored reels

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Speaker 2: because nothing says respect like turning a sacred sight into

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Speaker 2: your personal backdrop. The woman went on to write, Ularu

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Speaker 2: is not your content farm, respect the mob, respect the

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Speaker 2: land now.

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Speaker 1: In response to all the backlash, Alisa Jane revealed that

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Speaker 1: the influencers were briefed by the Annagul media team at

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Speaker 1: the start of the trip about what they could and

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Speaker 1: couldn't post now.

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Speaker 3: During this hour long meeting.

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Speaker 1: She says that they were informed that there was a

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Speaker 1: strict content approved process that they had to adhere to,

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Speaker 1: and she also said that they were told not to

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Speaker 1: include a welcome to country on every post. She wanted

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Speaker 1: to claim that the reason they hadn't been able to

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Speaker 1: share more about the trip was because they were waiting

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Speaker 1: on approval and some information they'd been taught they're not

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Speaker 1: allowed to share.

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Speaker 2: Bella Messina also responded to the criticism. She spoke directly

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Speaker 2: to the camera and tried to demonstrate how much she

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Speaker 2: respects Indigenous culture. This is what she said.

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Speaker 4: I just want to say I have such deep respect

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Speaker 4: for First Nations culture and I have shown that for

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Speaker 4: years and years across my social media platforms. I have

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Speaker 4: an acknowledgment to country on my podcast, I have shared

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Speaker 4: lots of Indigenous Australian artwork.

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Speaker 2: That I own.

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Speaker 4: I have donated to Aboriginal and to Strait Islander charities.

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Speaker 4: In this trip, we have done so much consultation directly

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Speaker 4: with and a new community. We have talked directly to

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Speaker 4: mob and learned from them, and I have shared that

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Speaker 4: on my social media platforms. We have also talked to

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Speaker 4: media consultants and the National Park team. This has been

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Speaker 4: a deeply educational and beautiful experience. But unfortunately to share

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Speaker 4: a lot of the learnings we have, there is quite

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Speaker 4: an extensive approval process, and so that content is being delayed.

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Speaker 4: For that reason, I have posted some deliverables and some

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Speaker 4: approved content on my stories. I've done a TikTok, but

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Speaker 4: there is longer content that is still waiting for approval,

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Speaker 4: and that is why lots of stuff has not been

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Speaker 4: able to be shared right now, because we are trying

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Speaker 4: our hardest to be deeply respectful of this area.

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Speaker 2: Bella then went on to say that she would continue

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Speaker 2: sharing content from her troop and it would be done

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Speaker 2: so in consultation. She also said it was her job

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Speaker 2: to help amplify the important message on our large platform

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Speaker 2: and it would be a disservice to the elder she

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Speaker 2: had met if she didn't now.

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Speaker 1: As expected, Bella's video attracted further negative comment, and she

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Speaker 1: hit back, writing a reminder as well to people who

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Speaker 1: are making accusations and dog piling without all the information.

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Speaker 1: This is my form of income as a single mother.

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Speaker 1: Wrongly accusing creators of poor behavior directly impacts my ability

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Speaker 1: to work in the space and therefore impacts whether I

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Speaker 1: can feed and clothe my children. I am all for

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Speaker 1: accountability and free expression of opinion, but it needs to

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Speaker 1: be done from an informed basis.

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Speaker 3: The Airs Rock.

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Speaker 2: Resort also responded directly to the criticism in a screenshot

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Speaker 2: shared to Reddit. The resort said that they collaborate regularly

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Speaker 2: with Indigenous creators and communities. However, they sometimes host non

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Speaker 2: indigenous creators to help promote ULARU to the broadest audience possible.

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Speaker 2: They went on to confirm that they're actually hosting an

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Speaker 2: all Indigenous creator trip in October.

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Speaker 1: Wow, and I think it's important to say upfront that

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Speaker 1: we really can't speak on behalf of the Unengol people.

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Speaker 1: And while I was researching the topic, I came across

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Speaker 1: an interesting TikTok by a First Nation's creator called Selena,

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Speaker 1: and she originally posted a TikTok calling Elisa Jane out

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Speaker 1: for allegedly blocking her for questioning the trip. So in

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Speaker 1: this latest video, Selena spoke about how she ended up

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Speaker 1: deleting her original TikTok after she was gently reminded by

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Speaker 1: a member of the arn and Gul mob that she

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Speaker 1: shouldn't speak on behalf of a community she isn't from.

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Speaker 1: So while Selena is Indigenous, she's not part of the

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Speaker 1: Arnengul Mob, who are the traditional custodians of Oolarue. So

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Speaker 1: she said she can advocate and amplify their voices, but

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Speaker 1: not speak on their behalf.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and she went on to relay the message from

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Speaker 2: the arn and Gou mob that the backlash had gotten

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Speaker 2: out of hand and the issue should be with the

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Speaker 2: brand and not the influencers. According to Selena, the member

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Speaker 2: of the mob said it was not the influencer's fault,

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Speaker 2: they were just invited on the brand trip. In terms

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Speaker 2: of what we can share our opinion on is the organization

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Speaker 2: of this brand trip from a pr perspective, because it

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Speaker 2: seems like they really tried their best with the content

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Speaker 2: approval process. They had this strict process in place, but

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Speaker 2: it's ultimately what let them down because the fat that

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Speaker 2: they approved fit checks and trending sound videos to be

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Speaker 2: shared first over videos that centered around indigenous culture was

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Speaker 2: a massive mistake. It really got this brand trip off

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Speaker 2: on the wrong foot and it's had everyone focusing on that,

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Speaker 2: and it seems like this trip has actually been really positive.

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Speaker 2: The influencers have immersed themselves in the culture. They just

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Speaker 2: haven't been able to share those moments yet because they're

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Speaker 2: still being approved. So I think if the approval process

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Speaker 2: was always going to be this lengthy, then they should

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Speaker 2: have told influencers to bang up content and then share

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Speaker 2: it after the trip to avoid any offense.

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Speaker 1: It's really unfortunate because it seems like the brand may

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Speaker 1: have been trying to do the right thing by putting

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Speaker 1: this approval process in place. It sounds like they wanted

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Speaker 1: to be really sensitive about the content they shared, but

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Speaker 1: it's actually backfired because they haven't been able to share

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Speaker 1: the content which actually best.

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Speaker 3: Represents this trip.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's why we're going to leave things today. If

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Speaker 2: you do enjoy the podcast and want to hear more

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Speaker 2: from us, we drop a subscriber only episode every Thursday.

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Speaker 2: If you want to subscribe to Outspoken Pluss. All the

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Speaker 2: details are in our show notes. This podcast was recorded

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Speaker 2: on the traditional land of the Ghana people of the

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Speaker 2: Adelaide Plains to pay respect to elders past and present,