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Speaker 1: And joining me in the studio right now is the

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Speaker 1: president of the Northern Territory Police Association, Nathan Finn.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Finny, Good morning, Katie, Good morning

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Speaker 2: to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Finny, first off, what's your reaction been to this review.

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Speaker 2: We welcome the obviously release of the long overdue resource

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Speaker 2: Allocation Review, and it's only made possible by ously tylis

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Speaker 2: lobbying by the Association over many many years. So members

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Speaker 2: have obviously been waiting years for their concerns obviously to

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Speaker 2: be heard. And obviously the recommendations outline and the report

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Speaker 2: goes some way to alleviating some of the pressure placed

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Speaker 2: on them and obviously the chronic staffing and resourcing issues

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Speaker 2: we've faced over many many years. Katie, and we obviously

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Speaker 2: welcome this announcement that significant investment in the Northern Territory

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Speaker 2: Police Force, but there also needs to be stuff in

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Speaker 2: support of that as well, so around ligiatively change to

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Speaker 2: make sure that we're obviously doing the best possible job

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Speaker 2: with the amount of resources we've got. We've seen this

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Speaker 2: report highlight some severe deficiencies obviously and how that the

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Speaker 2: police force has been managed over many many years. It's

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Speaker 2: not reflective of obviously the current executive either. These have

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Speaker 2: been well known for many, many years and we've seen

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Speaker 2: the decline of obviously our police force have the last

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Speaker 2: specifically around obviously the last five or six years, and

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Speaker 2: the statistics obviously proved that as well and show that

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Speaker 2: the real struggle is and has been obviously on our

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look what struck me is I mean, there was

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Speaker 1: a lot that struck me from the review, but the

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Speaker 1: fact that five hundred I think was the number Northern

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Speaker 1: much they wanted their voices heard.

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Speaker 2: And definitely it's important to obviously have that ability to

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Speaker 2: obviously provide your reason and your version of events as well.

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Speaker 2: These members obviously have different sort of situations also as well,

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Speaker 2: they have different family structures, they have obviously see different

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Speaker 2: struggles that they have on a daily basis. Depending on

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Speaker 2: if you're a regional there's all different issues to take

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Speaker 2: into consideration here. But the fact is that our police

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Speaker 2: force haven't been resourced appropriately for a number of number

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, you know again reading it, I thought to myself,

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Speaker 1: a lot of this is not a huge surprise to me,

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Speaker 1: some of what Vince Kelly had published in that review,

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Speaker 1: because a lot of it's stuff that you guys have

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Speaker 1: actually published in your surveys over recent years as well,

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Speaker 1: in terms of your staffing levels, your morale, you know,

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Speaker 1: the sense of a lack of support.

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Speaker 2: Not surprising and no, no, definitely not surprising to us either, Kdie.

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Speaker 2: Our extensive resource allocation review submission that we made obviously

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Speaker 2: to Vince Kelly and his team was quite extensive as well.

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Speaker 2: So a number of these recommendations that obviously have come

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Speaker 2: forward from this review were put forward by the nt

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Speaker 2: Police Association obviously supported, but we see it as a

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Speaker 2: common sense approach obviously by the review team which has

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Speaker 2: he understands and he understands the pressure that's placed on

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Speaker 1: Year Finny fifteen out of the eighteen recommendations and I

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Speaker 1: know the Chief Minister was saying, Katie, there's so much

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Speaker 1: recommendations that they're not. One of them the palis on

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Speaker 1: the bottle shops, the other one the private security. Now

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Speaker 1: maybe not so supportive of those two things. But I

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Speaker 1: suppose for the people of Alice Springs, for example, they

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Speaker 1: do see those palais as being effective. Then with the security,

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Speaker 2: It definitely is, Katie, we've seen this, and we'll touch

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Speaker 2: on the palies obviously, start with this was obviously a

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Speaker 2: We don't have police officer standing on bottle shops anywhere

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Speaker 1: Sugh so do you reckon? That's more what needs to

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Speaker 2: Shops definitely, and that's where we should be getting to

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Speaker 2: at the moment though, Katie, and it's going to be

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Speaker 1: Have liked them a couple of years ago. I reckon Finnish.

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Speaker 2: Definitely, and we've obviously been asking for this now members

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Speaker 2: long way though these announcements. Yeah, but again how long

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Speaker 1: And with the security, I mean, is there still a

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Speaker 2: There's a place for security, but we don't believe that

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Speaker 2: obviously that we're more suited to obviously to come under

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Speaker 1: Finny, are there any areas where you feel as either

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Speaker 2: Interviews this morning obviously with Alie Springs. Alis Springs is

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Speaker 1: What do you think needs to be implemented as a

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Speaker 2: We need stuff and Katie, I don't know how we're

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Speaker 1: You see everyone in here, mate, just sang, you.

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Speaker 2: Just hang it and stalk you and your studio, Katie,

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Speaker 1: So finny in terms of looking at these resources right

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Speaker 2: That's a great question, Katie, And we've obviously seen and

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Speaker 2: it's not or I won't even say now is yesterday.

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Speaker 2: never come back to work Coatie. Unfortunately, they are damaged.

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Speaker 2: They are damaged by what we deal with and what

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Speaker 2: And unfortunately these members have had that effect and don't

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Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that they're going to be able to

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Speaker 2: come back to policing. They are hurting, and they are

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what you know. Look, it does the

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Speaker 1: review I think is a great thing and that it's

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Speaker 1: we don't have enough police on the ground. But you know,

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Speaker 2: Definitely, and our police officers are the same kase they've

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Speaker 2: been promised this for a long time to get appropriate resourcing.

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Speaker 2: They haven't seen that, so they quotes skeptic go about

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Speaker 2: to the level of crime we're seeing across the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 2: But again it's this great starting point obviously to rebuilding

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Speaker 2: the depleted Northern Territory Police force we've seen over many,

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Speaker 2: many years. And so this provides a roadmap for the

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Speaker 2: obviously implementation of the recommendation. So we're happy to work

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Speaker 1: Well, Nathan Finn, I always appreciate your time, mates, thank

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Speaker 1: you very much for joining us this morning.

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Speaker 2: Always appreciate your time and I appreciate obviously the work

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Speaker 2: that our men and women do in the Northern Territory

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Speaker 2: Police Force. Absolutely super proud obviously to be associated with

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Speaker 2: the Northern Churchy Police Force and now obviously the Northern

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Speaker 2: Territory Police Association. But the work they do day in,

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Speaker 2: because I definitely wouldn't be in a position I've now

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Speaker 2: to obviously support them without obviously going through that process

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Speaker 2: as well and making sure that they're supported and make

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Speaker 2: sure and that's my primary role.

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Speaker 1: They are working bloody hard and now we see just

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Speaker 1: how underresourced as well. So Nathan Finn, thank you as always.

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Speaker 2: Mate, Thank you, mate, chick, thank you