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Speaker 2: Or comment on operational matters.

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Speaker 1: Now joining me live on the line right now is

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Speaker 1: the Senator for the Northern Territory, just center Nampa, jimpa Price.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to your Senator.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, and good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Senator, we've got you on to talk about Naja,

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Speaker 1: reporting on it, how did you find out about this situation?

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Speaker 3: I've just as you did through media. And what's concerning

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Speaker 1: Peter Dutton reckon sid Anthony Alberaneze should have been honest

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, yeah, the Prime Minister needs to be

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Speaker 3: They're failing to keep our borders secure, and they need

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Speaker 1: Now. I know the NLCS come out this morning they've

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Speaker 3: Well, look, it is the responsibility of our border force,

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Speaker 3: But this is also typical of a labor government that

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Speaker 1: C Do you have any is there any word like

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Speaker 3: Well, as much as I've heard that they are no

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Speaker 3: Now the Attorney General or the NTG, neither of them

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Speaker 1: Just center, if Peter Dutton becomes the Prime Minister, what

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Speaker 3: Well, as I said, funding needs needs to be withheld

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Speaker 1: I mean, just to play Devil's advocate for a moment there,

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Speaker 3: Well, it's already been the situation with NAJA that people

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Speaker 2: Just Center Nampa.

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Speaker 1: Jimper Price, Senator for the Northern Territory CLP Senator for

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory, really appreciate your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for having a chat with me.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.

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