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Speaker 1: Now, the government yesterday announced that they're going to invest

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Speaker 1: one thousand, eight hundred and forty two over four years.

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Speaker 1: Now we also know this morning a further announcement of

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Speaker 1: additional CCTV operators and also call takers at the Joint

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Speaker 2: So quite a big couple of days.

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Speaker 1: And joining me in the studio is the Police Minister,

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Speaker 1: Brent Potter.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 1: Now, Minister, how did you arrive at that figure of

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Speaker 1: two hundred extra police?

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Speaker 4: When I came in your radio last years the new

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Speaker 4: minister was discussions. I said there's more to come and

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Speaker 4: I was saying I wanted to understand what the force needed.

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Speaker 4: They went through budget process last year and the departmental

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Speaker 4: budget papers in and then we did budget and this

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Speaker 4: is a budget announcement, so this was in being worked

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Speaker 1: Christmas, all right, So was it arrived though, because we

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Speaker 1: because you're looking at the crime stats and go on,

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Speaker 1: hang on a sec These crime stats have tripled over

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Speaker 1: five years, so we need this.

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Speaker 4: Number absolutely, and as your listeners would know, we committed

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Speaker 4: fifty two officers in December fully funded.

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Speaker 3: We've now announced another two hundred.

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Speaker 4: So in the last sort of under six months we've

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Speaker 4: announced two hundred and fifty two officers and then today

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Speaker 3: So yes, we need more.

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Speaker 1: There's the ones today at the Jests Center or they.

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Speaker 4: Will be sworn officers that they'll be our call takers

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Speaker 4: that you see in the gets, and they're not necessarily

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Speaker 4: sworn constables with our sworn officers through the auxiliary.

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Speaker 2: Streams okay, so through the exhiliaryes.

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Speaker 4: Some constables in there to oversee them, but generally speaking

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Speaker 1: So I guess that takes us to around two hundred

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Speaker 1: and seventy five turn seventeen some five. Is that enough

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Speaker 2: I mean many arguing it is at crisis point yep.

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Speaker 4: I think what your listeners also need to understand very

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Speaker 4: very clearly is this is in addition to the standard

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Speaker 4: recruitment the Northern Territory Police has which covers their attrition.

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Speaker 4: So I know people are saying, well, there's two hundred

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Speaker 4: we recruit more than one hundred and twenty two a

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Speaker 4: I think to your point, yes it will, it will

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Speaker 4: absolutely go away to addressing crime. But we know if

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Speaker 4: address the poverty. We have to address the disadvantage, and

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Speaker 4: we've done that with over six billion dollars in co

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Speaker 1: So when we look at the volume of police that

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Speaker 1: are going to need to be recruited over the coming years,

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Speaker 1: in addition, like obviously with your attrition rates and also

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Speaker 1: with what's being promised, how are we going to recruit them?

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Speaker 4: I think the proposition that the Northern Territory Police Force

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Speaker 4: offers to anyone that wants to be a police officer,

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Speaker 4: especially those in interstate and in other jurisdictions. For example,

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Speaker 4: it's there. We need to get out and recruit them.

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Speaker 4: It's fifty extra officers a year when.

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Speaker 1: You can really like our lifestyle. What we offer is

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Speaker 4: We're going to have over sixty officers graduate before June

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Police Association sees that two hundred isn't enough.

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Speaker 4: Well that's not what the agency would say that they need.

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Speaker 4: The agency says they need two hundred, and we've given them.

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Speaker 2: What's the review going to say.

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Speaker 4: Well, the review is it is going to be basically

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Speaker 4: It also asked the union obviously, and they put a

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Speaker 4: written submission. But this was all done pre budget in

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Speaker 4: we did in December at fifty two. Now they're already

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Speaker 1: Look, I guess the issue we've got right now is

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Speaker 1: all of these announcements seem great. You know, the additional

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Speaker 1: two hundred police over four years sounds like a great number.

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Speaker 1: good move, but a lot of people saying to themselves

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Speaker 4: Well, in the meantime, we need to get people back

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Speaker 4: You've got a new Chief Minister, a new Police Minister,

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Speaker 4: Tennline like my Peter Kennon's all just been announced. So

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Speaker 4: it's a complete change to the hierarchy. The organization is changing,

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Speaker 2: Again that's a really good thing.

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Speaker 4: Let's just be very clear. There was vans on the

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Speaker 3: So while there were still.

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Speaker 1: Two hundred jobs on screen, he said, they weren't attended to.

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Speaker 4: And there will be some jobs there that are absolute

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Speaker 1: Calling for things like breaking entries, and there are people

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Speaker 1: But the point is that people expect that they're going

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Speaker 4: I'm telling you. We've announced more police resources to meet

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Speaker 2: About getting in the meantime.

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Speaker 4: Sercondly, it's about getting those that are not at our

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Speaker 1: They're also sort of asking, I mean, are we in

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Speaker 4: the issue with that is they're not trained. They don't

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Speaker 2: How many people are on leave.

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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get to the bottom of you know,

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Speaker 1: But what they're really worried about right now is that

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Speaker 1: Right now, you are saying that you're trying to get

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Speaker 4: So I can guarantee them that by June, the Territory

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Speaker 4: they will be servicing the Darwin region and they'll be

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Speaker 4: to working. On some days they'll have a full compliment.

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Speaker 4: On other days they may not. With people calling in

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Speaker 4: sick that I cannot control, nor can the Commissioner. But

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Speaker 4: the pali's being converted to constables. I've said this on

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Speaker 4: ABC yesterday. I would love to see a Territory Safety

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Speaker 4: I think would be remissive any government to not seriously

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Speaker 3: He's right.

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Speaker 4: The town camps are experiencing it, and this is where

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Speaker 1: In terms of an audit, is that something that needs

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Speaker 4: We've got a sort of a conference or a meeting

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Speaker 4: Gavin as he alluded to, and that's where that discussion

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Speaker 1: What do you make of these of the groups coming

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Speaker 4: Well, if they want to spend time being academic about

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Speaker 4: They see it that it's working. We've got sound legal

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Speaker 1: So the likes of Catherine, even some people up here

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Speaker 4: Very different environment in darn with the youth, the type

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Speaker 4: Catherine has youth and adults that are coming from out

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Speaker 4: remand police did a fantastic job catching them.

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Speaker 2: We are so sick of people, you know, like this.

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Speaker 4: Happening sentence in attention that they weren't bailed, they were

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Speaker 1: There and then well so then obviously last time at

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Speaker 2: The police are out there.

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Speaker 1: Nathan Finn had told us that they were having chair

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm told now that they're off the roof.

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Speaker 4: I was told that it was all instigated by I

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Speaker 4: let's be really clear, these are some of our worst offenders.

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Speaker 4: That's why they're in don Dale serving a sentence or

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Speaker 1: Nathan Fin set up to four buildings that there was

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Speaker 1: So with those buildings that have been damaged, any idea

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: But secondly, or sit on a comment, because I know

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Speaker 4: the fire investigators will do a criminal investigation and these criminals,

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Speaker 4: I'll give you an example, what's happening in our springs,

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Speaker 4: doesn't mean expectation. What's happened is some of the runder

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Speaker 4: The laws there. Sometimes we just need to get the community,

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Speaker 4: the expectation of community relay through.

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Speaker 3: And it's really good to see the.

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Speaker 4: Are and of men down in Alice Springs leading that

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Speaker 4: And we've had periods of significant quiet behavior in our

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Speaker 4: we need to look at that across Darwin, Catherine, Tenn

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Speaker 1: All Right, Brent Potter, we are going to have to

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Speaker 1: leave it there. But I think we got you back

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Speaker 1: tomorrow for the week.

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Speaker 3: Going back for a week to was tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff. Thank you,