1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily OS. Oh, 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: now it makes sense. Good morning and welcome to the 3 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: Daily OS. It's Friday, the eleventh of July. I'm Billy 4 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 1: fitz Simon's. 5 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 2: I'm Sam Becauseluski. And this is Cubby. 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: Cobby, our very special office dog. 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 2: He's a beautiful, kind nature golden Retriever. 8 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: The first time he's been allowed in the Pod studio 9 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: and it will be very clear why he's here in 10 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: a moment because did you know that rules of pet 11 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: ownership are changing in Australia, Well kind of. At the 12 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 1: start of this month, the Act revealed a new draft 13 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 1: Code of Practice that sets out mandatory rules of dog 14 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: ownership in the territory. Among the new rules is a 15 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: required minimum time of three hours spent with a dog 16 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: every day. Now that is just for the Act, but 17 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: it comes a month after new laws at the federal 18 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: level came into effect that changed how pets are seen 19 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: in the family law system. It means pets won't just 20 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: be seen as property and there will be new special 21 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: considerations to who took the best care of the pet. 22 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: Today we're looking at how the rules of pet ownership 23 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: are changing. 24 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 2: Billy, this is such an interesting topic I wanted to 25 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 2: cover in the room. He's just taken a little walk 26 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 2: from my lap, but that's okay, it's his right to 27 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 2: do so. And this really is a story about the 28 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: changing rights of dogs across Australia. It's such a cool 29 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 2: thing to talk about. I'd never really thought about pet 30 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 2: ownership as something that's overly regulated. Yes we did. I 31 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: remember we did a podcast about the rights of renters 32 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 2: to have pets in rental properties, but that was again 33 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 2: from the aspect of the human rather than the pet. 34 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 2: I'm really keen to get into this first. How popular 35 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: is pet ownership in Australia. 36 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: Okay, well, first, Sam, a quick bit of trivia for you. 37 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: What percentage of households in Australia do you think has 38 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: a pet, so any kind of pet. 39 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 2: I'm going to go with like sixty five percent. 40 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: That's pretty bang on. It's about seventy percent. 41 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 2: I just think about that. So if you've got ten 42 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 2: average Aussie households in a room, seven out of ten 43 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 2: have a pet in the home. 44 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: Yes, And of those that do have a pet, fifty 45 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 1: percent have a dog. So I'm sure it's no surprise 46 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:29,239 Speaker 1: that dogs are the most popular pet in Australia. Quick question, 47 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: are we allowed to talk about our own dogs here? 48 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: Yeah? A big shout out to Honey and Maggie, our 49 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 2: family dogs. Honey's mine, Maggie is your family dog? Both 50 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 2: beautiful dogs in their later years of life, yes, but 51 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 2: still very special. Why don't we start with the news 52 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 2: out of the Act, which is the most recent development 53 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 2: in this space. 54 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. So, at the start of this month, the Act 55 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: government released its draft of a Code of Practice for 56 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: dog welfare right now, that was advised on by the 57 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: Act Animal Welfare Advisory Committee. 58 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: And when you're saying a code of practice, what exactly 59 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 2: does that mean and also what legal weight does that have? 60 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: Yeah? So codes of practice provide safety and standards information 61 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: to specific different tasks that people have. Now, this code 62 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: specifically outlines mandatory standards that individuals responsible for dogs must meet. 63 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: It does say that kind of the rules of animal 64 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: welfare are quite universally recognizable, but this is just quite 65 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: specific to dogs. Also aside, note the Act is actually 66 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: somewhat of a leader in this space because in twenty 67 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: nineteen it actually became the only jurisdiction in Australia that 68 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: recognizes animals as sentient beings that have intrinsic value and 69 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: deserve to be treated with compassion. 70 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 2: That's so interesting from a legal standpoint. And so at 71 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 2: this stage there's this code of practice that they are proposing, 72 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 2: and now they're actually seeking public feedback on it. What 73 00:03:59,000 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 2: exactly is in the. 74 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: Dry Okay, So I'll go through the changes. The first 75 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: is that it provides an updated animal framework that as 76 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: well as recognizing that dogs are sentient beings, it also 77 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: recognizes that animals have intrinsic value and deserve to be 78 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: treated with compassion and have a quality of life that 79 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: reflects their intrinsic value. And it also recognizes that people 80 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 1: have a duty to care for the physical and mental 81 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: welfare of animals. 82 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 2: So there is kind of existing animal cruelty rules, and 83 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 2: we hear of cases, terrible cases all the time of 84 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,799 Speaker 2: dogs being locked in cars or mistreatment. There was a massive, 85 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 2: you know, news event with investigations into the greyhound racing industry, 86 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 2: for example, a couple of years ago. But I think 87 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 2: what's different about this draft is that mental component perhaps 88 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 2: and really trying to ensure the mental health and emotional 89 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,679 Speaker 2: health of the dog is so interesting. 90 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it's about recognizing that animals are 91 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: these beings on their own that don't just exist in 92 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: relation to humans, Like it's not kind of I know 93 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: that for a lot of people, dogs can kind of 94 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: help you, but this is about recognizing how you can 95 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: help dogs. 96 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 2: It is interesting that they've specified dogs and that it 97 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 2: doesn't expand to other animals. Yeah, okay, so how are 98 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 2: they actually going about quantifying or somewhat validating the idea 99 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 2: that you're emotionally and physically caring for your dog. 100 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, So this is the one that caught my attention. 101 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: So the act government in this Code of Practice is 102 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: saying that they want to expand guidelines for dog owners 103 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: and cares that would require all dogs to have a 104 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: minimum of three hours of human contact daily. 105 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 2: That is really interesting, so interesting. I think it must 106 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 2: be trying to kind of eradicate people who leave their 107 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 2: dogs alone for yes, hours and hours and days of 108 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 2: the time. Right. 109 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, Now you might be asking why, what's their reasoning 110 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: behind this? Yeah, and the draft code kind of explains that. 111 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: Now I'm going to read out it's a bit of 112 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: a lengthy quote, but I think it's really interesting. So 113 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: it says undesirable behaviors in dogs, such as excessive barking, 114 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: can result from leaving them unattended for extended periods, leading 115 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: to boredom and anxiety, and that kind of speaks to 116 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: that mental health well beeting that we're talking about. It 117 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: continues as well as indicating distress. These behaviors can lead 118 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: to animal nuisance and neighborhood complaints. So bad pr for dogs, Yes, 119 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: that's a good way of putting it. And so because 120 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: of this, it is saying that it should be mandatory 121 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: for dogs to spend at least three hours a day 122 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: with human contact. 123 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 2: So what I'm reading into that is this isn't about 124 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 2: just being with the dog when you're asleep and the 125 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: dog is a snunt. This is about more meaningful time 126 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 2: spent with your pet. 127 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: Yes, And interestingly, it also recommends, so it doesn't make 128 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: this mandatory, but it recommends that dogs live inside. So 129 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: it says dogs are social pack animals and a life 130 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: to be happiest living in the house with their human 131 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: family and other dogs. Dogs are also more useful as 132 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: intruder deterrents if they live inside the house. 133 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 2: I feel like that's somewhat stating the obvious. You know, 134 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 2: dogs are happier when they're around people, and they might 135 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 2: scare off someone who's not meant to be there. That's 136 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 2: something that's very well established. I guess by applying it 137 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 2: into this framework, what they're trying to do is give 138 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 2: owners some guidelines of best practice, which is a different 139 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 2: way to approach pet ownership as we've seen in Australia. 140 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: Wait, you know who does get their three hours in? 141 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: Definitely who Cubby? 142 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 2: Cubby. So Kubby is not a TDA dog. Kubby is 143 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 2: a dog of the other business that we share with. 144 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 2: And man does that office light up when Cubby works in. 145 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: I mean Cubby's in most days. 146 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 2: He's in most days. He's a very good boy. Yes, 147 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 2: has particular love for the news. It would say, I've 148 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 2: wanted to actually get a dog for TDA for a 149 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 2: long time and call it newspaper. But you know, it 150 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 2: hasn't happened yet because of Interestingly, some of the things 151 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 2: that you're raising, which is me and my wife, we 152 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 2: both work very long days out of the house, and 153 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: signless some dog was with me at work, it would 154 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 2: be spending probably not the three hours a day of 155 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 2: mandatory human contact. 156 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an important thing to think about. 157 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 2: And did the code expand not just in the quality time, 158 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 2: love language, but other parts of a dog's life. 159 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, it really went through kind of all parts of 160 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: a dog's life. If I say retractable leads, do you 161 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about tape measurers? Oh my god, 162 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: I've never thought of them like that, but yes, kind 163 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: of like that, which I have always thought they were 164 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 1: quite common and I never knew that there was anything 165 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: wrong with them. But the Act's draft Code of Practice 166 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: says that a person in charge of a dog should 167 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: not use retractable leashes because they could result in injury. 168 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: And they expanded on that. So they said, a retractable 169 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: leash limits control pose. This is risk and could be 170 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: dangerous to both the dog and the walker. And they 171 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: said that retractable leashes are only suitable for well trained dogs. 172 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: So they're not completely banning retractable leashes, but they're just 173 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: saying that they should only be used in specific circumstances. 174 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 2: One part of it which really interested me was the 175 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 2: part of the code that restricted surgical debarking. 176 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, have you heard of that before? 177 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 2: I haven't, actually I heard of that. I know I 178 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 2: can picture a muzzle in my head and dogs that 179 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 2: are restricted by some sort of physical barrier to barking. 180 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 2: But I hadn't heard of surgical debarking. 181 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so it's saying that surgical debarking procedures must 182 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: not be considered as a bark reduction strategy if the 183 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 1: dog is under twelve months of age. And it also 184 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: says that it should only ever be considered if the 185 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: dog is considered a public nuisance. Now you might be 186 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: wondering how do you prove if your dog is a 187 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: public nuisance? And it had a very specific kind of 188 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: guideline or criteria. Is said that you have to have 189 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: at least two written complaints from your neighbor to say 190 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: that your dog is kind of officially a public nuisance, 191 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: and only then could it be considered that your dog 192 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: might need surgical debarking. 193 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 2: So this is a really long report. Those are some 194 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 2: of the categories that are covered there. There's a fifty 195 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 2: page code, like there's kind of every aspects of the 196 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 2: dog's life is covered. Will put a link to it 197 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 2: in the show notes. But you've also said, and I 198 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 2: think this is the bit that I'm struggling with. This 199 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 2: story is what's binding, what's part of the law, what 200 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 2: can be enforced? Draft code always makes alarm bells go 201 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 2: off for me, can this actually be enforced? And you 202 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 2: know what actual strength does it give the act government 203 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 2: in improving the lives of dogs in the territory. 204 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: I think the thing to think about is for all 205 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: things like this, you know, there are so many different 206 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: examples where they meant has guidelines for I guess how 207 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: we should live our life, things like alcohol consumption, cigarette consumption, 208 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: And you're right, it is really hard to enforce. And 209 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 1: this isn't the kind of thing where police are now 210 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: going to be doing random checks on people's houses. Rectable, yes, 211 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 1: to start seeing whether or not you are spending your 212 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: compulsory three hours a day with your dog. But it's 213 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: meant to be more of a guideline, and I would 214 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: say only in extreme circumstances if they believe that there 215 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: is animal cruelty going. 216 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 2: On or which is a lot like that's yes, indisputably yes. 217 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: So if there's like systemic neglect there that you know, 218 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: I imagine someone would have to report you for, then that's 219 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: when this would be enforced. But again I think there 220 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: are lots of different examples where they kind of give 221 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 1: you a guideline. 222 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 2: The media has guidelines on how we report stories exactly example. Yes, 223 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 2: but then there are actual laws, as we've just mentioned, 224 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 2: and one area that's changed a lot is pet ownership 225 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 2: and how it's viewed in the family law context. 226 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: Yes, so this came in in June, and so it 227 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: was a new law that came into effect that meant 228 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: that pets are no longer considered as property during family 229 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: court settlements in Australia. So this is talking about something 230 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: like a divorce and if a couple is deciding who 231 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: gets what in that separation. Traditionally dogs have been considered 232 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: property kind of like this financial thing that needs to 233 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: be I guess divided during that separation. Now, these new 234 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,119 Speaker 1: rules mean that the family court system will be required 235 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: to expand how it views pets and it will be 236 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: mandatory for the family court to actually take into account 237 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: the extent to which each party, so each person in 238 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: that relationship cared for the animal right as well as 239 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 1: any history of cruelty to the pet by a party 240 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: in terms of you know, kind of the extent to 241 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: which each person cared for the pet. It basically means 242 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: that the family court will be taking into account things 243 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: like who fed the pet or who walked the pet. Wow, 244 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: interesting things like that that now are literally part of 245 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: the law. 246 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 2: And that's a really interesting example of how a process 247 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 2: that was probably started with some sort of code, with 248 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 2: some sort of guideline framework of here's how you should 249 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 2: be thinking about who owns a pet after a divorce 250 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 2: actually could sometimes become law and become a really codified 251 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 2: part of the system. Billy does so interesting to see 252 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 2: the changing roles of pets in Australia. You're going to 253 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 2: have to go home and tell Maggie absolutely everything because 254 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 2: she's going to be thrilled with these newfound strengths of 255 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 2: hers in Australia. 256 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: I'm glad that you're allowing us to talk about Maggie 257 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: Moore because for all those listening, Sam has stopped me 258 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: from talking about Maggie. 259 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 2: I just know. 260 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: Apparently it's too self indulgent. 261 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 2: Well, I just know that everyone listening right now, all 262 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 2: they want to do is talk about their pet to us, 263 00:13:58,280 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 2: and that's their right. 264 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: Do you think it's like like you're always interested in 265 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: your dreams, but no one else is interested in your dreams. 266 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 2: I think so. I think so. And that's why I 267 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 2: think Kubby left because Ah, you started talking about Maggie 268 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 2: and Kubby had enough. 269 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: Well just know Sam that I'll always be here to 270 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: talk about honey. 271 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 2: That's very sweet. That's very sweet, just like honey. And 272 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 2: that's all we've got time for of a very strange 273 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 2: episode of the Daily os for you. But I hope 274 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 2: that brought a bit of joy to your Friday. We're 275 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 2: going to be back in the afternoon with some headlines. 276 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 2: Until then, have a fantastic start to the day. Say 277 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 2: har to your dog for me and we'll chat later. 278 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda 279 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: bunge Lung Kalkotin woman from Gadighl Country. The Daily oz 280 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: acknowledges that this podcast is recorded on the lands of 281 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: the Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and 282 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: Torres Straight Island and nations. We pay our respects to 283 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: the first peoples of these countries, both past and present.