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Speaker 1: Now we do, indeed have the Minister for Infrastructure and Logistics,

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Speaker 1: it comes to our bus network. Now. Bill Yan had

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Speaker 1: the closure of the Casarina interchange by October this year,

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Speaker 1: travel beyond the first of July this year. The Minister

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Speaker 1: for Infrastructure and Logistics, Bill Yan joins me on the line.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Bill, Good morning Cadie, Good morning everyone on

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Speaker 2: the top end.

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Speaker 1: Minister, great to have you on the show. Now, how

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Speaker 1: is the closure of this interchange going to work? Because

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Speaker 1: I've already got people messaging in this morning saying Wolfe,

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Speaker 1: is this going to leaniual water Park? Is it being

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Look, the whole the annual water parks in Cage

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Speaker 2: even all back in twenty twenty two, there was some

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Speaker 2: that's certainly never It's never been a decision of us,

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Speaker 1: It's not.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not Kate. I think something popped up a couple

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Speaker 2: going to move the interchange. That's never been the case.

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Speaker 2: The work has always been there in the background as

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Speaker 2: some really good plans. So the interchange at Casuina will

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Speaker 1: So do you think that we're going to run the

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Speaker 1: bus exchange, that Casuarina bus exchange, just because it was

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Speaker 2: I think that's what we seem to see, Katie. It

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Speaker 2: the issue, Katie of Samandy Socialiata, I'd love to city

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Speaker 2: all good faith do that. But by changing the way

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Speaker 2: we're reducing those congregation points, and we're moving them specifically

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Speaker 2: the next part of work, of course is the Palmersan interchange.

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Speaker 2: So the work will then be done on how we

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Speaker 2: And we can do this cardios oppose because CDC have

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Speaker 2: This is what has made that possible in some respects

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Speaker 1: And so when are you're anticipating that the Darwin and

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Speaker 1: And I mean this is all really about trying to

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Speaker 1: Please correct me if I'm wrong, but in twenty three

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Speaker 2: It absolutely is, Katie, and that's why we've been committed

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Speaker 1: Now part of that we now know that there's going

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, it's a bit of a double sword kie

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Speaker 2: And there's a fine balancing act. Now we're going to

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Speaker 2: These are the things that this whole review is going

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Minister, we've got to power through because there's a

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Speaker 1: So what's that mean it's no longer going to be

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Speaker 2: Well, that's why we're putting it out to expression of

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Speaker 1: So it's effectively going to be like it's going to

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Speaker 2: So I know that Minister Charles's office is working up

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Speaker 2: really great ideas, some exciting ideas, maybe something a little

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Speaker 2: we need to see what those expression of maasterants come

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Speaker 2: So yeah, we've got to wait to see what those

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Speaker 1: Well, I encourage our listeners to send us a message

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Speaker 2: Paul in the lac Yeah, look, I said, with the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough, all right. Another one. We've got a

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Speaker 1: Get on find out bill. Another quick one, what's the

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Katie, and it's not going ahead. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: It's not needed. There was putting businesses at risk, it

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Speaker 1: It had a tender already been awarded for it or no.

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Speaker 1: thank you for your time this morning. We'll catch up

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Speaker 2: Jeez, do you have a great day you too,