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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie. How are you not too bad?

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Speaker 1: Mate? Thanks so much for your time this morning. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for having us on, Katie, because I know

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Speaker 2: we're fighting back in that. We've created the National Anti

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Speaker 1: So do you reckon, Luke? I mean, I think we're

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Speaker 1: Well, I think anything that we can do to try

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Speaker 1: Look, how soon do you think something like that could

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Speaker 1: I think there'll be people listening this morning who agree

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Speaker 2: I totally appreciate that, and I'll be doing everything with

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Speaker 1: Look, bit of a mixed bag this morning on the

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Speaker 2: a problem. There's a problem. We all know there's a problem.

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Speaker 2: What we're on about the solutions and what I'll be

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Speaker 2: bringing to the table is solutions and it's time. It's time, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I look, I agree. We certainly need to see

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Speaker 1: some really hard work in this space. It should have

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Speaker 1: happened yesterday, but it needs to happen sooner rather than later.

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Speaker 1: Luke Gosling, I always appreciate your time. Thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for having a chat with me today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you