1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: Now joining me on the line is the Lord Mayor 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: of Darwen, Convat Scalars. Good morning to you. 3 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 2: Corn, Good morning Katie. 4 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: Now Corn, I want to firstly just speak to you 5 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: about a proposal by the Northern Territory Government to turn 6 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: the Espanade area into a heritage place. So I know 7 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: that the Espanad is largely City of Darwin Land. This 8 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 1: proposal is a heritage application as I understand it covering 9 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: the entire length of the Esperanade from Doctor's Gully to 10 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 1: just before the deck Chair Cinema. Why do they want 11 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: to do this, That's. 12 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 2: The same question I want to ask. First of all 13 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 2: the application. It's not only the Esplanade. It incorporates the 14 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 2: fish feeding grounds, it incorporates areas of the Eslam not 15 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 2: On but it's Darwin City Council and extends and as 16 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 2: you said before, it stopped just before the deckt Theater. 17 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: On the other hand, it extends about five hundred meters 18 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: into the sea, so it's not only the slande big 19 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 2: chunk of foesore of damonsty Council. What's really curious is 20 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: we only find about it when we receive a letter 21 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 2: on the fourteenth of April, and the notification went to 22 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 2: the newspaper on the fifteenth of April. In the letter 23 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 2: we received the wonders to put a submission about the 24 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:21,199 Speaker 2: proposal to turn the whole area into heret displays. Now 25 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 2: nothing in the letter says who proposed, who made the proposal, 26 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 2: and nothing in the letter says when this proposal was made? 27 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: But Colin wild Earth did they want to do it anyway? 28 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: Why are they wanting to heritage list such a huge area. 29 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 2: Well, it's very curious for a government that wants to 30 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 2: develop a forty billion dollar economy to do something like that. 31 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 2: That's going to stop a potential tourism attraction at the 32 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 2: bottom of the astronat, not on the top of the 33 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: astronaut at the bottom of the Islam. What also curious, kay, 34 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 2: is why now we are Llawyers did the sert and 35 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: they find out the original application was made in November 36 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 2: twenty one, so application was made to twenty one, none 37 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 2: new applications registered since then, and all of a sudden 38 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 2: in April twenty twenty three, the government wantso declared the 39 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 2: esplant as a heritage place. A lot of questions to 40 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 2: be answered there and I don't know what to say, 41 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 2: because if you won't really, if you care so much 42 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 2: about heritage, why you don't incorporate the sacred side near 43 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 2: the open dext theater, and of course the waterfront because 44 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: that's where the attack and that's where people died during 45 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 2: the attack in the Second World War. But just only 46 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 2: the slant, very very curious, and the timing is even 47 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 2: more curious. 48 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: Do you think that they try to stop some kind 49 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: of development. Do you think that this is sparked up 50 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: because there was that discussion at one point about the RSL. 51 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: I know you and I have discussed the Lamaru baths 52 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 1: at different times. Do you think that that's what's sparked it? 53 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 2: Oh, I have no idea. Okay, the legislation with regards 54 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 2: local government requires the local government to find economic and 55 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 2: tourism opportunities. We identify the Lama robats as a tourist opportunity. 56 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 2: I actually spoke to the ministers in federal government and 57 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 2: they expressed very very much the interest about it. And 58 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 2: now we've got a proposal two years old not being 59 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 2: done properly. Because you have to remember, if you read 60 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 2: the Act, you find out if the government receive a proposal. 61 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 2: They have to do any valiation within six months. They 62 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 2: can ask for an extension, but they have to advise 63 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 2: the affected landowners. That never happened. Also, a lawyer find 64 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 2: out that there has never been a provisional declaration by 65 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 2: the minister because we can't find any gazette about it. 66 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 2: So this is a really stuff up by government department, 67 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 2: as it seems, or a very curious timing. 68 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: It is very curious timing indeed. But also Colin, what 69 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: do you think, like if indeed the whole of the 70 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: Esplanad does become heritage listed, what do you think that 71 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: would mean? Like? Is it going to be a intrument? 72 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: Is it going to be a positive thing? What's going 73 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: to happen? 74 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 2: I don't think you can do anything in a heritage place. 75 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 2: I mean, what about the people they are running the 76 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 2: fish feeding place? Are they going to be affected? Has 77 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: anybody asked them? Has anybody notified them? Can we put 78 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: them public act? In the In the Astronaut, we're already 79 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 2: planning to put the Mermaid, a beautiful piece of business 80 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 2: up there. Now we'll put the stuff on it. We 81 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: can't do it. I had plans to put the monument 82 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 2: to the stolen generation next to the playground in the astronat. 83 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 2: Now it's stopped because you've. 84 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: Stopped, You've stopped those works because you don't know what's 85 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: going on with this heritage listing. 86 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 2: I'm asked my lawyers to find out that we have 87 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 2: the bombing of Darwin events or the lending in the 88 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 2: Estlanat if it's the clear heritage place. But who in 89 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 2: his right mind we'll ask to declare Estlanat hair this 90 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 2: place when it's already protected through a significant zoning and 91 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 2: Council had nevery intention to develop the astronat their green 92 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 2: and treated as always has been so condor. 93 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: Have you got serious concerns right now that things like 94 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: the Glente and the bombing of Daro and commemorations are 95 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: not going to be able to go ahead if it's 96 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: heritage listed. 97 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 2: Well, my lawyers are looking at it and the advice 98 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 2: to council what we can do, what we can do, 99 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 2: but also the year before again we believe and our 100 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 2: lawyers have a very strong position, but the whole process 101 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: is invalid. The application has lapsed because it took two 102 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 2: years process with not following proper process, and there's no 103 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 2: gazeteo for provisional declaration by the minister. Obviously, if the 104 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 2: government departments can't fold the legislation or another territory government, 105 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,239 Speaker 2: I think the government's got a problem in their hands. 106 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: Dad said, I mean, this is a government who came 107 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: into power on a promise of being open and transparent. 108 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: How are we in a situation where they're not even 109 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: liaising with the Council on something like this. 110 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 2: We're supposed to work together and Council was very keen 111 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 2: to work together with the government with regards to the 112 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 2: waterfront and if futurity development, and we're still willing to 113 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 2: work with the government. But looks like one hand of 114 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 2: the government wants to work with us, the other hand 115 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 2: of the government does not. So I think the Chief 116 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 2: Minister has to sort this out because it creates a 117 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 2: situation of people not having confidence of the government processes 118 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 2: and who is going to invest in Darwin If one 119 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: day a group of people can suddenly decide they won't 120 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: be clear something heritage area. 121 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 1: Well, look, it's one of many questions that I've got 122 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 1: at the moment when it comes to the government. But 123 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: coin I've got a question from a listener right now 124 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: that's asking, Hello, Katie, can you please ask the mayor 125 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: who's going to be paying for registration for the scooters 126 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: if they end up being on the road. 127 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 2: My understanding is they're going to be subject to the 128 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 2: Traffic Act and they have to pay registration to the government. 129 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: So as in Neuron would have to do that. 130 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 2: Like a car, if you run on the road, it's 131 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,679 Speaker 2: a vehicle, it will be subject to the Traffic Act. 132 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 2: And my understanding is they have to pay registration to 133 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 2: the government, not ritory government. 134 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: And so though that question is obviously in relation to 135 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: the consultation that the Council has been having around changes 136 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: in the city when it comes to the speed limits etc. 137 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: And allowing those scooters onto the road. So the scooters, 138 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: I believe it's Neuron, So will they have to pay 139 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: that registration? 140 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 2: Absolutely currently they pay a councilor fee because they're using 141 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 2: our foot paths. Now, we have to remember that the 142 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 2: reduction on the speed limit, it's not exclusively for the scooters. 143 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 2: We want to bring down the speed limit to protect 144 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 2: pedestrians and also to put in place by plage so 145 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 2: people riding their bicycle the city they will not run 146 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 2: the danger or being hit by a car doing fifty 147 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 2: or sixty kilometers. Scooters will be ancillary to that because 148 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 2: the government, I understand they are going to change the 149 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 2: legislation to allow them to be on the street. 150 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: CONU. Just back to the heritage listing of the Esponade. 151 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: So who's laudged that application? 152 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 2: We don't know. Nobody has told us yet. I asked 153 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: this question and I haven't received an answer yet, so 154 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 2: we don't know who did it. We know the time 155 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 2: of the original applications the US November twenty teny one. 156 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 2: And you remember it was the time when RSL was 157 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 2: proposing to build. Yes, they wanted to build in the 158 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 2: car park, the new RSL building, which we're knocked back 159 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 2: because there's a secret site there. 160 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: And so has this been really prompted because it was 161 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: in the paper on the weekend, did you say. 162 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 2: Well, no, there was an everyone on the paper for 163 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 2: any proposal to develop anything on the Esplanade. There was 164 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 2: only notification that the government wants to declare the Esplanade 165 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 2: as a heritage place and ask for submissions from the public. 166 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, right now, I'll just I'm just keen to go 167 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,719 Speaker 1: back and try and find that notification. So I'll make 168 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: sure that I go and do that. Con We're running 169 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: out of time, so I do want to just ask you. 170 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: I know that there is quite a bit that the 171 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: Council has underway at the moment, including a scam prevention 172 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: and cyber safety workshop. When's that happening? 173 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 2: I don't hear it. I mean ILL spring up the moment, 174 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 2: Katy right, I'm attending the Local Government Association Northern Territory AGM. 175 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 2: I'm happy to provide this information to you. If you 176 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 2: ever look at a website it we'll find it there. 177 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 2: But I'll ask friend like you two give you a 178 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 2: call yeah and give you oh good. 179 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: We'll try and find out because I know that there's 180 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: been a lot of reports at the moment about that 181 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: situation with people sort of being you know, being targeted 182 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: when it comes to those cyber attacks. So we'll see 183 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 1: if we can find out. Convat Scarlets, the Lord Mayor 184 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: of Darwin. Always good to speak to you. Thanks so 185 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: much for your time today. 186 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 2: Thank you, Katie. And I just raised an email from 187 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 2: the Comma Bank telling me that malccount was frozen and 188 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 2: if I don't click in that website, everything is going 189 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 2: to stop the problem is. I don't have an account 190 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 2: with a Comma. 191 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: So there you go everyone. That's exactly right. 192 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 2: Corn. 193 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: Always good to catch up. Thanks so much for your 194 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: time this morning. 195 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:56,439 Speaker 2: Thank you.