Speaker 1: Kid a, Peter hell ay here, welcome to you.
Speaker 2: Ain't seen nothing yet the movie podcast We're our chat
Speaker 2: to a movie lover a bet a classical beloved movie
Speaker 2: they haven't quite got around to watching until now, and
Speaker 2: today's guests.
Speaker 1: She stew of below Deck down Under, Asias Scott.
Speaker 3: All below, I want.
Speaker 4: To stay here with you.
Speaker 3: He the jobble, Why hate snake shock? Why heil?
Speaker 1: It couldn't happening right?
Speaker 3: So you don't seen nothing new.
Speaker 2: Asia Scott has only recently come into my life through
Speaker 2: her appearance on and participation in I'm a Celebrity to
Speaker 2: get me out of here in Australia, And I think
Speaker 2: it's fair to say Asias I would say my favorite
Speaker 2: in there, like we got along immediately and through the
Speaker 2: whole time. Her bed was next to mine and Harry's.
Speaker 2: We called that downtown, I say, Harry, Harry Garsider, Olympic
Speaker 2: boxer champion, and we just were drawn to each other's silliness.
Speaker 2: And yeah, we formed the Flaming Ducks, which I must
Speaker 2: say we were murdered in the edit. Those songs were
Speaker 2: actually much better and much better received than they appear
Speaker 2: to be on the television. Maybe more of that later,
Speaker 2: but Asia's just a delight to hang around.
Speaker 1: She came through. I'm a celebrity Viya of course.
Speaker 2: Below Deck a global phenomena, one of the biggest TV
Speaker 2: shows in the world out of Bravo. There are many
Speaker 2: different franchises as She's now the chief stew of the
Speaker 2: Below Deck down Under, which is a start its second season,
Speaker 2: and I've seen first couple of episodes and it's a
Speaker 2: cracker one. You get to see some more rossies in there.
Speaker 2: It's filled up in Queensland out of cans. Genuinely, it's
Speaker 2: off to a great start, and I know a couple
Speaker 2: of things that might happen coming up, And genuinely, I
Speaker 2: think this series is going to blow up for many
Speaker 2: different reasons. If you haven't got onto Blow Deck, it
Speaker 2: may or may not be a guilty pleasure. I'm not
Speaker 2: sure how you kind of define guilty pleasures these days.
Speaker 2: But it's a cracking show. I really enjoyed. My wife
Speaker 2: is obsessed by it. She has seen many episodes, more
Speaker 2: than once. But Asia personally, she is fun funny, so positive,
Speaker 2: so full of life.
Speaker 1: People will say to me, is she always like that?
Speaker 1: Is she always so up and about? An upbeat?
Speaker 2: And I say, to be honest, I was there twenty
Speaker 2: six days in the jungle with her, and you cannot
Speaker 2: hide that kind of zest for life.
Speaker 1: It's not an act.
Speaker 2: It's all there, It's all Asia, and I'm bloody stoked
Speaker 2: to be hanging with her to day.
Speaker 5: Hello, I am anxious, Scott. And my three favorite movies
Speaker 5: are Shortshank, Redemption.
Speaker 1: Hope, is It Dangerously Hope, and Drive a Man and
Speaker 1: Scene It's got my use on.
Speaker 3: You're gonna say the Green Mile sometimes the Green Mile,
Speaker 3: Siem Saloon, and Glorious Bastard's probably heard.
Speaker 1: We ain't in the prisoner taking business.
Speaker 2: We are killing Natzi business, cousin businesses are booming.
Speaker 5: But up until this morning, I had not seen Cape Fear,
Speaker 5: the De Niro version.
Speaker 2: Max Catie Robert de Niro is out of jail and
Speaker 2: on his way to a place called Cape Fear, which
Speaker 2: surely is a red flag in his sights. His lawyer,
Speaker 2: Sam Bowden nick Noldy, who Max believes let him down
Speaker 2: by not submitting a crucial piece of evidence in his
Speaker 2: rape trial, which saw him imprisoned for fourteen years. Max
Speaker 2: is out for revenge, targeting everything Sam holds deer, from
Speaker 2: his maybe mistress Lola Elena Douglas to his dog actor unknown,
Speaker 2: his daughter, the brilliant Juliet Lewis in her first film
Speaker 2: role leading to an Oscar nomination, and his slightly discondled
Speaker 2: wife Lee, the always great Jessica Lang. When legal means
Speaker 2: fail Sam, he's forced to consider crossing the lines he
Speaker 2: never thought he would.
Speaker 1: Cross to protect those closest to him.
Speaker 2: Directed by the Master Martin Scorsese from a scoop by
Speaker 2: Wesley's strip from the nineteen fifty seventh book The Executioners
Speaker 2: by John D. McDonald, Cape Fear is a monster movie
Speaker 2: that pays tribute to the great Alfred Hitchcock. DeNiro was
Speaker 2: also nominated for an Oscar, and for this he adopted
Speaker 2: a Southern accent and got absolutely stretted to play one
Speaker 2: of his more terrifying roles. You can imagine Max Katie
Speaker 2: being a Southern cousin of taxi drivers Travis Bickle, Asia Scott.
Speaker 2: Have you ever set anyone alight on a boat? Oh? Question,
Speaker 2: because I haven't seen every episode of Blowed. I've seen
Speaker 2: a lot of them. Yeah, I can't remember you setting
Speaker 2: somebody alight.
Speaker 5: I've done a lot on a boat A lot that
Speaker 5: I regret a lot of this, Sally, But I don't
Speaker 5: think I've ever seen anyone a light on a boat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good, and that's why you have you have
Speaker 2: climbed the ranks exact.
Speaker 5: That is the one reason why I am now mass
Speaker 5: chief stew There you.
Speaker 2: Go of below deck down under. Fantastic. Now we welcome.
Speaker 2: It is great to be hanging out with you on
Speaker 2: the airwaves. Wherever this ends up you are, you're in
Speaker 2: town for a couple of days. We thought, let's let's
Speaker 2: get a podcast episode.
Speaker 3: Recorded, let's get one done.
Speaker 2: And we try to get We thought, well, I thought
Speaker 2: it would be great to have a boat theme going on
Speaker 2: in this and our original choice was the Aussie classic
Speaker 2: Dead Calm with Nicole Kidman, Sam Neil and Billy Zane.
Speaker 2: Never trusts Billy Zane on the boat. He's got some form.
Speaker 3: Why don't we trust Billy Zane on a bart because.
Speaker 2: He goes mad Dead Calm and he goes a bit
Speaker 2: crazy on the Titanic as well.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I wouldn't want him on.
Speaker 1: Mom.
Speaker 2: If you ever are recording an episode of Blow Deck,
Speaker 2: can you see mister Bezane heading your way.
Speaker 3: Make a beeline out of there.
Speaker 2: Get out of there, Okay, get Captain Sandy, get behind.
Speaker 3: The wheel, Sandy shave.
Speaker 2: But so in the end it turns out Dead Calm
Speaker 2: unavailable to watch anywhere. No streaming services have Dead Calm available.
Speaker 2: You can't download.
Speaker 3: It was not able to pull any stringth.
Speaker 2: No, I don't have all the you know, the the
Speaker 2: VPNs and the geo kind of access to cross borders.
Speaker 2: It was too late in the piece to kind of
Speaker 2: try to find it on DVD. So I got thinking, Hey,
Speaker 2: what the other famous boat movie there was Boot, which
Speaker 2: is a long German movie in a submarine. That's that
Speaker 2: might have been a bit hard work, but I thought
Speaker 2: Cape Fear doesn't completely take place on a boat, but
Speaker 2: but the last act takes place on a boat.
Speaker 3: That has built very strong.
Speaker 2: You had very firm opinions about that boat as we
Speaker 2: were watching it. This is the first episode of You
Speaker 2: Ain't Seen Nothing Yet where I've actually watched the movie
Speaker 2: with my gar Yes, because you were staying with me,
Speaker 2: and it was the best way to do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so beautiful.
Speaker 1: We've tried to.
Speaker 2: Kind of like limit the conversation around it, but there
Speaker 2: were yeah, there were there were some conversations about the
Speaker 2: flimsiness of the buck, but we'll get we'll get to that. Yes,
Speaker 2: what's your movie history? Do you see a lot of movies?
Speaker 2: Because you did say to me when when we discussed, oh,
Speaker 2: there are so many movies I haven't seen how growing
Speaker 2: up in New Zealand A lovely party where about?
Speaker 1: See you're from in New Zealand.
Speaker 3: I'm from Toto, A.
Speaker 1: Beautiful part of the world right next to beautiful?
Speaker 3: Yes, how do you know that?
Speaker 1: Is it? Really? That was a guest?
Speaker 3: Well it's forty five?
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, Kaine.
Speaker 3: Why have you been there?
Speaker 1: I've never been.
Speaker 3: I know about White Island.
Speaker 1: I know about what island.
Speaker 2: I knew about before White Island while I was a volcano.
Speaker 3: Yeah you know it all?
Speaker 1: Yeah, right yourself? Yeah, yeah, okay, do some research up
Speaker 1: with the life.
Speaker 2: But when I first started going to use I'm in
Speaker 2: Rove Live kind of exploded over there, somebody mentioned Fuka
Speaker 2: Tani and I just found it kind of hilarious that
Speaker 2: you had a place called Fuka Tani.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what is a Tani?
Speaker 3: Who is Tana?
Speaker 1: Who is Tanya?
Speaker 3: Who has it?
Speaker 5: When rove exploded, I used to I told you.
Speaker 3: I used to watch you every Friday.
Speaker 2: You said you said in the Jungle that you watched
Speaker 2: Rove live all the time and that you had very
Speaker 2: little memory of me being on it. That you said,
Speaker 2: how many episodes if you did you do it? I said,
Speaker 2: every single episode for ten years.
Speaker 5: I think it was literally just after what we were
Speaker 5: talking about Rove for some at the time, and I
Speaker 5: know you're on Rove. So we were talking about Rove,
Speaker 5: someone mentioned it. I go, I love Rove. I used
Speaker 5: to watch that all the time, and Pete Pipe something
Speaker 5: goes I was.
Speaker 3: I was on it. I was on every episode. I
Speaker 3: was like, were you? I don't recall you?
Speaker 5: Yeah, And the passion that came out when I had
Speaker 5: been talking about it, I didn't.
Speaker 3: I do not. I do not recall you at all.
Speaker 2: It's like somebody saying I have seen Dirty Dancing fifty
Speaker 2: times and me say, oh my god, look away special
Speaker 2: Swayzy ind oh, I didn't know that. Maybe spatic Swayzey,
Speaker 2: I'm Jennifer. I don't know the power dynamic of Do you.
Speaker 5: Think that you were you pack as much of a
Speaker 5: pun punch as Patrick Swayzey these days?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Really, he's no longer with us. Oh no, but as
Speaker 2: far as put me on a dance floor and no, no,
Speaker 2: absolutely no, absolutely not so.
Speaker 3: But I do apologize for that. Yeah, in terms of movies.
Speaker 2: So how often did you go was there a local cinema?
Speaker 2: Did you get there often?
Speaker 3: There was a local cinema.
Speaker 5: I'd get there quite often, maybe once every year.
Speaker 2: And you know, you have seen approximately twenty eight films exactly.
Speaker 5: So I was explaining to Pete before this podcast the
Speaker 5: reason that we watched this film right before we started
Speaker 5: recording this, other than the fact that logistically it did
Speaker 5: actually make a lot of sit but I've got this
Speaker 5: kind of memory where as soon as soon as a
Speaker 5: movie finishes in the credits role, my mind erases the
Speaker 5: whole movie. So I have seen a lot of movies.
Speaker 5: I just don't know that I've seen a lot of movies.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it always interests me when bridges like this. My
Speaker 2: wife she's like, have I seen that movie? And I
Speaker 2: kind of think, well, usually when you I don't know,
Speaker 2: I kind of feel like I tend to remember those.
Speaker 2: I said, oh no, actually, now I'm saying this out loud,
Speaker 2: and now I'm thinking out loud. There are hard times
Speaker 2: in this podcast where I think I thought I saw
Speaker 2: a certain film and then I've started watching it, I'm like, actually,
Speaker 2: I don't think I have I've seen this film because
Speaker 2: maybe I've seen bits of it or it's lived so
Speaker 2: prominently in the zeitgeist. Yeah, I'm like, okay, Like there,
Speaker 2: I reckon. Everybody probably feels like they've seen Jaws, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: because they there's so much imagery.
Speaker 3: So many references to so many other movies.
Speaker 1: Yes, you can feel like you've seen a movie without
Speaker 1: seeing it.
Speaker 5: Do you think, though, that you're the kind of person
Speaker 5: we're saying every every four out of five movies you've seen.
Speaker 5: If I was like, what's a funny part in that
Speaker 5: movie or what's that movie about?
Speaker 3: You could confidently.
Speaker 1: Tell me I think so. Yes.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, what is your i Q.
Speaker 1: Six is that high? You're doing well?
Speaker 3: You're doing well?
Speaker 5: You know you learn in the Jungle how powerful my
Speaker 5: knowledge of pop cultures and any like?
Speaker 3: I don't know?
Speaker 2: Actors point, I'm going to ask you to the point
Speaker 2: where you asked me, what what's what's one of Elvis
Speaker 2: Presley's songs? Now there might be some good thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Elvis Presley is like he's old and you sound old
Speaker 2: by defending Elvis Presley. Elvis Presley exists in his own
Speaker 2: little world.
Speaker 1: Where the.
Speaker 3: Rolling Stones.
Speaker 1: You should have at least one reference point.
Speaker 3: Okay, what's the Beatles song?
Speaker 1: Then? Wait?
Speaker 3: Wait? What is a Beatles song? I know there looking
Speaker 3: across the road, across.
Speaker 1: The road, that's avery road. That's that's an album cover.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know the album cover.
Speaker 1: Well. Songs from the Beatles would include.
Speaker 3: Get Back, get Back in Time, no into Melbourne.
Speaker 2: Get Back, get back to where you once belong, get Back.
Speaker 2: I have to sing it in a way that's not
Speaker 2: so accurate and so in tune that we don't have
Speaker 2: to pay royalties for it.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm pathing, I can do. We need somebody help.
Speaker 5: Okay, what I'm actually looking at it be I do.
Speaker 3: Okay, twist and shower, let it be be, Let it
Speaker 3: be beautiful. Thank you.
Speaker 5: I'm trying also to do the whole royalties. Okay, so easy.
Speaker 5: Maybe it's maybe it's not my lack of knowledge, Maybe
Speaker 5: it's all in there.
Speaker 3: But I struggled to I saw.
Speaker 5: I struggled to put like one of those place names
Speaker 5: in front of that box of stuff. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 5: his name card do I put in front of their box?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So in my head, all the pop cultural stuff has
Speaker 2: stayed in there. Yeah, and a lot of other important
Speaker 2: stuff has left. Yes, very evident mathematics, scientific stuff.
Speaker 3: How rich a conversation is, It's very evident.
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's gonna be a short compodcast, very short episode.
Speaker 1: This one.
Speaker 5: So, I mean, but this is where I always tell Scott.
Speaker 5: I'm like, why are you so honest and honorable and.
Speaker 3: Real with me?
Speaker 5: Because he said these things that come out of his mouth.
Speaker 5: I pass myself laughing for so long and he and
Speaker 5: he just looks at me with his blank face, and
Speaker 5: I'm like what.
Speaker 3: And he's like, you think that I made that up?
Speaker 1: Don't you?
Speaker 5: And I was like, didn't you? You're so funny. He's like,
Speaker 5: We've just watched that on a movie last night.
Speaker 3: How do you not remember that?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 5: And why are you telling me that claim that you're
Speaker 5: the funniest man in the world.
Speaker 2: Ashue is referring to, of course, former Prime minis the
Speaker 2: Scott Morrisons having a lover, your lover that's got your
Speaker 2: wonderful boyfriend who he is an adventure man who does
Speaker 2: things that's scare that bloody hell out of me.
Speaker 1: Well, we better not waste time.
Speaker 2: And because we want to get the cape fever before
Speaker 2: we get the cape fee, before it leaves your brain
Speaker 2: forever never to return.
Speaker 3: Neither will return.
Speaker 2: I need to navigate this boat, and I we're going
Speaker 2: to navigate this this flimsy boat through your three favorite films.
Speaker 1: The Shawshank Redemption.
Speaker 2: You'll be unsurprised to learn, has come up a number
Speaker 2: of times, and we've covered it WITHDD Sampsons who had
Speaker 2: never seen The Shawshank Redemption, but it's also come up
Speaker 2: in favorite films. As it is, it's every footballer's favorite film.
Speaker 2: I think every sports person's favorite film.
Speaker 3: I didn't know people knew about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it got out there. Really Obviously you were the
Speaker 2: one who broke it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was the one that chiseled the tunnel.
Speaker 1: Through the tunnel of shit Get the God which apparently.
Speaker 3: I'm referencing movies. It's all coming back.
Speaker 2: He wouldn't have survived that, by the way, I was
Speaker 2: listening to somebody talk about that, like the science of really,
Speaker 2: why going through that length of tunnel with shit in there?
Speaker 1: Not? Actually?
Speaker 2: Yeah, again, the science part of it, this left but
Speaker 2: the pulp cultural part of this hearing that he wouldn't
Speaker 2: have survived it, right, So yeah, but a great film,
Speaker 2: A great film, sim Robins Morgan. It felt like that
Speaker 2: was a film that introduced Morgan Freeman to me. I
Speaker 2: must I had seen him in something else before, but
Speaker 2: it certainly cemented him as the man with the golden tonsils.
Speaker 3: So it's not as believable as Kate Ferris, which I
Speaker 3: say very tongue in cheek. We'll get into it.
Speaker 1: It's not quite believable. No, I think there are reasons
Speaker 1: for that.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm in it. I'm into it.
Speaker 2: But Cape Shaw Shape Redemption, it is a beautiful film,
Speaker 2: as much as it has become almost a parody. You
Speaker 2: know that everyone's favorite film is Short Redemption in a way.
Speaker 3: Like everyone hates Knickelback, but they don't really.
Speaker 1: I like you that some people do. Oh, okay, do
Speaker 1: you love Nickelback? I love Knuckleback.
Speaker 3: Okay, I won't sing it because of the whole royalties thing. Yeah, God,
Speaker 3: I want to God, I want to look till I
Speaker 3: an imagement.
Speaker 1: So what is the photograph?
Speaker 5: I think it's isn't it a photo of himself younger,
Speaker 5: like in a happy time.
Speaker 1: Right, I haven't studied the word.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well maybe you should.
Speaker 1: I tapped out of Nickelback after the like Your Pants
Speaker 1: Are on Your Feet song.
Speaker 3: Why don't you do a Nickelback podcast, nest.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's been done, yeah, multiple times.
Speaker 2: Multiple times, and I'm sure it ceased to exist for
Speaker 2: a reason lack attraction.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, maybe they didn't do it the right way.
Speaker 2: Maybe they didn't. I would leave it to you to
Speaker 2: do that podcast. You could, you could have a deep
Speaker 2: dive into every Nickelback song. Would I listen to it?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't. I can't promise that I'll
Speaker 1: take it.
Speaker 3: Won't promise I'll buy the seeding.
Speaker 5: I'll take out the leaflet that they put in the
Speaker 5: front cover that you open up into the lyrics page
Speaker 5: and just go through every single lyrics everyone.
Speaker 3: With a poet and analyze it.
Speaker 1: Here we go, given back the respect they deserve.
Speaker 3: Exactly, How can I ask you?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: As in I thought sure, Shank Redemption was based on
Speaker 5: a true story.
Speaker 2: No, it's based on a short film by called Reader
Speaker 2: Hayworth and the short Shank Redemption. Yeah, because in the
Speaker 2: book it was Reader Hayworth and not.
Speaker 3: It was a warman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, cal Welch is who the poster he has on
Speaker 2: the wall. Maybe they're early in the movie. I think
Speaker 2: maybe possibly, and then becomes cal Welsh and that's.
Speaker 1: Who he breaks.
Speaker 2: That's the last poster, I don't think, so I'm going
Speaker 2: to google this. You can google it there singing about
Speaker 2: shaw Shank redemption for me and I may have mentioned this.
Speaker 2: I think in Todd's episode. It was a little detail
Speaker 2: when Andy tells Red where to find where it's not real. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I just thought to continue to podcast with that until
Speaker 2: you come back and I have your attention again. But
Speaker 2: when when Andy tells Read the details of where to
Speaker 2: find this buried thing, you know that ends up being
Speaker 2: I think the money. He throws a little detail where
Speaker 2: him and his wife made love. I thought that was
Speaker 2: too much information. Red doesn't need to know that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: bit tacky.
Speaker 3: I bite like that made me feel a bit randy.
Speaker 1: Red is probably there on the ground remembering his old friend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have a little wank for Andy w that would
Speaker 1: have been.
Speaker 3: It was brilliant into the film.
Speaker 5: Just close up you just see his fingers moving up
Speaker 5: and down to start, and then it slowly zooms out
Speaker 5: for like ten minutes Greenny walks in the room.
Speaker 3: They would be brilliant.
Speaker 1: Couldn't help think about my friend Andy. Oh, I thought
Speaker 1: about him. I thought about him the whole Oh.
Speaker 5: There's something quite beautiful about the contrast of how quickly
Speaker 5: you can ejaculate and the long.
Speaker 3: Life of the oak tree.
Speaker 2: It's artistic, It's really artistic, and I think everyone involved
Speaker 2: in that film missed an opportunity.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. You couldn't agree more.
Speaker 2: The strong erection of red he next to the oak,
Speaker 2: the strong oak.
Speaker 3: Did anyone on this production go to film skill?
Speaker 1: Did you decide for a moment to think outside of
Speaker 1: the square? No?
Speaker 3: They woke up in there.
Speaker 1: He finds some money.
Speaker 5: I'm going to think in the box today. Box is
Speaker 5: comfortable today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is where I'll stay.
Speaker 5: That's how you make a film, a shittiest shortshank Redemption.
Speaker 1: You're really turning on the film now because.
Speaker 3: I hate this out of my top three? Thank you?
Speaker 3: What's the next one?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Andy? And and and.
Speaker 3: Oh why why why do you say he's got golden.
Speaker 1: Well, he's got the best voice in the history of movies,
Speaker 1: right because he narrated. He narrated the penguin, the March
Speaker 1: of the penguins.
Speaker 3: The second best voice.
Speaker 1: Probably, it's a good question. Actually his wayhead in front.
Speaker 1: James L. Jones famously has a voice. He played Darth Vader.
Speaker 3: As a.
Speaker 1: Father. You haven't seen Star Wars. He doesn't have a
Speaker 1: raspy like.
Speaker 3: Another.
Speaker 2: Go, it's getting worse, It's getting worse. Get Dark Vada
Speaker 2: Fisherman's Friend. Can we please.
Speaker 6: You?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 1: You're really showing your diversity of movies here because your
Speaker 1: government Shawshanks to the Green Mile, which.
Speaker 3: Is like the two most basic Beast movies.
Speaker 1: Similar in Prison. Was that also based on Stephen King?
Speaker 3: Also based on a true story? Yeah, yeah, okay, do
Speaker 3: you want to giggle that any Wait? And he got
Speaker 3: the flies out of his mouth? Yeah, he goes yeah, similar.
Speaker 2: To Dark Yeah exactly. And Tom has can't piss.
Speaker 5: What happened in the middle section of The Green Mile?
Speaker 1: Again?
Speaker 2: What's your second films that you should be telling me?
Speaker 2: I've seen it maybe twice.
Speaker 5: Because it's it's like, you know people that have dementia
Speaker 5: and they don't remember the act, but they remember how
Speaker 5: they felt and when it finished, I remember thinking, wow,
Speaker 5: it was amazing.
Speaker 3: I don't really remember what it was about. I remember
Speaker 3: how I felt.
Speaker 2: Well, what I remember is the man on the trial,
Speaker 2: Michael Duncan Jones, a large, large in all possible ways,
Speaker 2: American on death row, innocent re memory, Yes, And he
Speaker 2: had this miraculous power to heal, to.
Speaker 3: Breathe out, fireflies.
Speaker 1: In his mouth.
Speaker 3: And Tom Hanks was the prison guard.
Speaker 1: He was a prison guard who couldn't piss.
Speaker 3: Oh, they really couldn't purss? Why couldn't he purse? Was
Speaker 3: he nervous?
Speaker 1: Bit of stage right from Tom?
Speaker 3: That's right, it's all coming back.
Speaker 2: I think he had a yearny tracking infection or something,
Speaker 2: but he fixed out as well.
Speaker 5: Have you ever had a gift on where you've had
Speaker 5: to explain to them what happens in this second favorite movie?
Speaker 1: No, I think this is the first time.
Speaker 3: Oh brilliant. Okay, I think it's.
Speaker 2: A groundbreaking episode already. So Inglorious Bastards.
Speaker 1: Good choice, thank you.
Speaker 2: This is my listen. Nothing wrong with seor Shane green
Speaker 2: Mile at all. But I say good choice to Inglorious
Speaker 2: Bastards because I think it's my favorite Tarantino film.
Speaker 5: And that's a really hard decision to make. Yes, there's
Speaker 5: so many good ones. People people seem not as hot
Speaker 5: about the cabin one. I think if you can make
Speaker 5: a movie that good where they in a cabin the
Speaker 5: whole time, you're genius.
Speaker 1: This is eight people, hatel eight, Yes, the people, the
Speaker 1: eight people.
Speaker 5: How can you make a movie that good and they
Speaker 5: don't leave a cabin? It's genius.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the Breakfast Club, but they.
Speaker 3: Never leaves classroom. I think I know more than I
Speaker 3: think I know.
Speaker 1: You may discover something about yourself. You may learn something
Speaker 1: about yourself.
Speaker 2: I hope hopefully you leave this episode of you hating
Speaker 2: nothing yet knowing a bit more. Yah, you know a
Speaker 2: better person as well.
Speaker 3: I think it's already happened, so we've achieved that.
Speaker 1: I can feel it. Do you have a favorite moment?
Speaker 1: There's so many great moments in inglorious barses.
Speaker 2: Mine, and I feel like it's become the scene that
Speaker 2: everyone talks about the most glorious, which one.
Speaker 3: Brad Pitt when he's walking along.
Speaker 5: No, I know what you're gonna say when he goes
Speaker 5: to hold up his three fingers to order a drink
Speaker 5: and he holds the three fingers the wrong way.
Speaker 2: That whole scene down in the Rendezvous, the kind of
Speaker 2: bunker kind of bar, Is. It's a long scene that
Speaker 2: plays out, and it's got so many little twists and turns,
Speaker 2: and I think it's the first time I'd seen Michael
Speaker 2: Fassbender in a role, so I wasn't aware if he
Speaker 2: was English or he was you know, if he was.
Speaker 3: Is that the guy, the fingers guy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's He's he's on the Ally side. So here's
Speaker 2: that's who they're meeting. I think that's in their meeting
Speaker 2: is or he goes in on behalf of the Allies team,
Speaker 2: Brad Pitt.
Speaker 1: So he's who I think holds up the wrong fingers. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 5: And like the tension they mount in that scene, you
Speaker 5: feel like you're going to just explode with worry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, You've got these German soldiers who are there celebrating
Speaker 2: the birth of Jesus, Jesus Jesus and also one of
Speaker 2: their sons, one of a recent dad. Right, yeah, but
Speaker 2: they are, they are there celebrating Christmas.
Speaker 3: Jesus is even present, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're very spiritual.
Speaker 5: That's how people describe me here. Yeah, so Jesus and things.
Speaker 2: A German baby, yes, And then there's this great reveal
Speaker 2: of this character who we don't even know he's there,
Speaker 2: this German kind of commandant, if you like, who gets
Speaker 2: revealed when we think everything's come to settled down and
Speaker 2: then there's like, hang on a second, he's another twist.
Speaker 2: There's this guy and he just won't he picks up
Speaker 2: the idea that these the accents a little bit off and.
Speaker 3: How much how much do you just want that scene
Speaker 3: to wrap up and everything be fine.
Speaker 2: There's something also about when drinking is involved in some scenes,
Speaker 2: where it gives characters a looseness and an unpredictability that
Speaker 2: is also can be frightening, and I think they do
Speaker 2: that here as well.
Speaker 5: Yes, well, when it's such a long scene, which I
Speaker 5: usually struggle with, like I will not watch Game of
Speaker 5: Thrones because I'm not going to sit around and watch
Speaker 5: a ten minute monologue. But they make that scene so
Speaker 5: long but so interesting you're just enraptured the whole time.
Speaker 1: It's a tribute to that scene.
Speaker 2: How good it this is, because there are some other
Speaker 2: the opening scene when Christoph Waltz goes to far and
Speaker 2: that family and they're hiding down below where they're talking
Speaker 2: to the father, and then she isn't running away, and
Speaker 2: then he finds her and he talks to her and
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if he has placed her then, and
Speaker 2: he's eating dessert. He's eating a strudle or something that's
Speaker 2: so and they're waiting for him. They're kind of waiting
Speaker 2: for the shool to come out and the cream, and
Speaker 2: she's just like, she knows who he is, and we're
Speaker 2: not sure if he knows who she is.
Speaker 1: But it's so fucking tense.
Speaker 5: They build up your emotions so well in that movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's great, Yeah, it's really good.
Speaker 5: You know it's you don't want to watch it at nighttime, No,
Speaker 5: you want to watch it in the morning. So you've
Speaker 5: got the day to relieve yourself the same way that
Speaker 5: what's his face should have under the oak tree?
Speaker 1: And Oh, I couldn't help thinking about my friend. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about this film.
Speaker 7: Hey, Freda's Bird.
Speaker 3: Apparently you go everywhere you want with whomever.
Speaker 4: That much freedom could maybe get a film to t outher.
Speaker 1: What do you think had like My Keys Gold to be?
Speaker 7: You don't remember me?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, sure, I remember you. You were at the Love
Speaker 1: I said, Oh.
Speaker 3: I'm disappointed, I'm hurt.
Speaker 1: I would like a keenness mix.
Speaker 7: Shady you look the same, maybe fifteen pounds heavier. But
Speaker 7: they say the average man gains a pound a year
Speaker 7: until he's oh god, okay, games a pound a year
Speaker 7: until he's about sixty.
Speaker 4: Me I dropped the pound every year in my sentence.
Speaker 1: Atlanta seventy seven.
Speaker 7: You gotten July fourteen years since I held a set
Speaker 7: of case.
Speaker 1: Hey, you look good, healthy.
Speaker 4: Think you because it's a struggle to stay healthy in
Speaker 4: the john.
Speaker 1: Well, you wouldn't know about that, which is hear me.
Speaker 7: They sticky with the white trash and they'll strike a
Speaker 7: liquor work.
Speaker 8: All day back.
Speaker 7: This is the little ceaguards my own advice, because I
Speaker 7: need advice in the joint to remind me I was human.
Speaker 1: H sixteen years old. I saw this in the cinema.
Speaker 2: I believe it north Land, I think I remember, and
Speaker 2: it is Cape Fear nineteen ninety one by the Master Martin.
Speaker 1: Scorsese, Asia Scott. Yes, did you enjoy Cape Fear?
Speaker 5: I loved Cape Fear? Oh wow, I thought it was brilliant. Actually,
Speaker 5: you know, as I said to you afterwards, I feel
Speaker 5: like there's a whole world of movies out there that
Speaker 5: I just have not seen. Yes, And I've got no
Speaker 5: idea about.
Speaker 2: Well, if you're seeing one movie a year, I can
Speaker 2: guarantee there are many, many, many, many films that you
Speaker 2: have not seen, because I see a lot of films
Speaker 2: that am there are many films I have not seen.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I think if you take someone like
Speaker 5: de Niro, I've only known I'm so youthful that I
Speaker 5: only know de Niro as is hisself. Now, you know
Speaker 5: that kind of gangster graff whatever, this is the I've
Speaker 5: never seen in this young before. And I and I
Speaker 5: sit to you, I really want to take it really
Speaker 5: well known actor or actress now and just go like
Speaker 5: they've all got this backlog.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's reasons why very rarely do you get like
Speaker 2: a sixty year old debutant actor then, and you'll see
Speaker 2: the same actors for a reason, because they've got this
Speaker 2: backlog of work and history and legacy. And the Nio is,
Speaker 2: you know, widely considered maybe the best actor of our generation,
Speaker 2: of my generation or his generation. And if you haven't
Speaker 2: seen him young, if this is the youngest you've seen him,
Speaker 2: then you're.
Speaker 3: Got you get younger he is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he was younger and then he got older,
Speaker 2: so he reversed. But the point still stands. I mean
Speaker 2: there's taxi driver, there is raging Ball, even good Fellas
Speaker 2: was before.
Speaker 3: This isn't been a TV show.
Speaker 1: No, No, it's underbelly Undel.
Speaker 3: Do I confuse those two?
Speaker 2: Well, they're both kind of you know, underground mafia kind
Speaker 2: of in a way.
Speaker 1: But yes, he is pretty petrifying in this, Oh he is.
Speaker 5: And now I'm wondering what about Mirror, what about Samuel Jackson?
Speaker 5: What about all these people of that kind of age group.
Speaker 5: I've got a whole world to unlock.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you really do.
Speaker 3: And you've opened the door for me.
Speaker 1: Pete, You're gonna walk away a better person.
Speaker 3: I will, I really will.
Speaker 2: And Merylship is a fantastic like she is regarded as
Speaker 2: probably the actor of her generation. And you have got
Speaker 2: You've got stunning films in her back canalong? Yeah, and
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about my mea. I'm going back to
Speaker 2: Cramer versus Kramer and so his choice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to go.
Speaker 5: I want to go watch all of them. Now we
Speaker 5: need to block out. We need to We need to
Speaker 5: do a lock and at your place for a week.
Speaker 5: Everyone gets to the lounge and we just cover cover
Speaker 5: it all.
Speaker 1: Everyone how how wide were.
Speaker 5: Well when I when I say everyone, I was meaning me, you,
Speaker 5: Bridge and the boys. But I suppose I could invite
Speaker 5: my lovely part.
Speaker 1: Yeah I love Scott to be there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah he can.
Speaker 1: In one of his death track Contraction, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah he can fly in.
Speaker 2: I did see I saw Mission Impossible, Dead Reckoning, and
Speaker 2: there's there's a bit where I don't think I'm spoiling
Speaker 2: too much, but Tom Cruise uses one of those wings.
Speaker 3: Yes, Scott's Scott going to see it, that's what he does. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's very disappointed.
Speaker 1: So I did think of Scott.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, thank you for sparing a thought for us.
Speaker 1: That's all right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate it. Thoughts about him many times, sometimes
Speaker 2: in under a note tree if you know, same brother,
Speaker 2: the creepiest moment and you want see nothing yet history.
Speaker 1: But why was he disappointed?
Speaker 5: So he was disappointed because I think there was just
Speaker 5: such a build up, and for for someone like him
Speaker 5: who's such a master of his craft, the way that
Speaker 5: Tom built it up, it was like, Wow, if he's
Speaker 5: going to learn to do this and do it well
Speaker 5: and such a short amount of time, like that's incredible.
Speaker 5: Kudos to to Tom YadA, YadA, YadA. But apparently he
Speaker 5: kind of just flies off and flies straight down in
Speaker 5: lands like there's no there's no spins, there's no twists,
Speaker 5: there's no nothing.
Speaker 2: I must say, when that moment happens, I was expecting
Speaker 2: a bit more in the world. Is it spectacular? The
Speaker 2: whole sequence is spectacular. There's a whole train thing going on.
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 9: But yes, yes, do you I mean yeah, I think
Speaker 9: I think they just expected more because his publicity team
Speaker 9: really put a lot into building that moment up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then.
Speaker 5: I mean for I guess for people that are professionals,
Speaker 5: they're like, oh, is that all he's doing?
Speaker 1: Yeah, is this the moment?
Speaker 2: Because there's a moment on the train where he kind
Speaker 2: of basically jumps out a little bit of a spoiler
Speaker 2: with that kind of wing thing. But there's also a
Speaker 2: moment where he's on the motor which has been highly publicized.
Speaker 2: When he's on the motorbike and then the matter of
Speaker 2: obviously kind of goes falls down. He's almost free falling for.
Speaker 3: A while, and it's near the end. Yeah, yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: there's the one that he's talking about.
Speaker 1: Look, I thought that was pretty Spectacle.
Speaker 3: Do you think the movie is good?
Speaker 1: I liked it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I haven't seen it. It's usually and usually for me,
Speaker 5: I'm usually right on top.
Speaker 3: Of these things.
Speaker 1: You'll see you're seeing like thirty years and I have
Speaker 1: to go back and watch Young Tom. He's ninety now and.
Speaker 2: He's in a plane for There was a Young Tom
Speaker 2: Cruise Mission Impossible seven and Maverick.
Speaker 3: I really I love Maverick.
Speaker 1: Excellent.
Speaker 5: It was so good that there was my one a
Speaker 5: year that I saw the movies a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: I think everyone saw it. The movies made billion dollars.
Speaker 2: Literally, let's get back the KT's let's not have you
Speaker 2: know Tom Cruise.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the first thing that I wanted to discover.
Speaker 1: What do you want to start?
Speaker 5: De Niro's voice, it's much higher pitch than I remember it.
Speaker 2: What's the first one I can remember? Being a Southern
Speaker 2: a Southern accent. He took it very seriously. He went
Speaker 2: down down the South in America and recorded people's conversations
Speaker 2: and actually sometimes would ask people to read lines from
Speaker 2: the script that he would use.
Speaker 1: Character.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because I didn't like him. I didn't think it
Speaker 5: sounded that great.
Speaker 2: As chose what I know, yeah, I mean I thought
Speaker 2: he nailed the accent. I'm not saying are you saying
Speaker 2: you thought he sounded he didn't nail the accent or
Speaker 2: just didn't suit the character.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 5: I mean, bo, I've got friends because I spent a
Speaker 5: lot of time in the States, and I've got friends
Speaker 5: from the South.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I.
Speaker 5: Just don't feel like he quite sounded like them. But
Speaker 5: it might be that I was so put off by
Speaker 5: the pitch because I'm not used to hearing him like that. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm used to hearing him like it with a lower
Speaker 5: what do you call it, a lower range?
Speaker 3: You're like a lower.
Speaker 2: Yeah, registered, yeah, yeah, yeah. I liked it because I
Speaker 2: liked it separated this character from a Travis Picckle, who
Speaker 2: you wouldn't nobody that's young, younger than hero taxi driver,
Speaker 2: who's also a bit on there, just for as where
Speaker 2: his mental state is and what he's planning I'm doing.
Speaker 1: So I liked it.
Speaker 2: He didn't get ripped for it, though, Like the first
Speaker 2: thing you see is him he shredded he is I.
Speaker 5: Thought, you mean, like, like, you know, he got ripped
Speaker 5: as and people made fun of him.
Speaker 1: No, well, it's not very nice. I mean he got
Speaker 1: nominated for an Academy Award. I mean, lay off him.
Speaker 3: You got more than you God, no.
Speaker 5: Body I did, Yes very much, Yes, Yes, what are
Speaker 5: you therese those those traps?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And the first thing we see he leaves jail and
Speaker 2: there's thun the clowns and lightning in the background, and
Speaker 2: he walks directly into the camera, you know, like which
Speaker 2: is in film school, you're kind of told that's a bit,
Speaker 2: it's a bit hacky, you know, I like to do that,
Speaker 2: and you've got this master directory in Martain school says
Speaker 2: he's making that choice. And I think what he's saying
Speaker 2: is like, this feels like it's a movie.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure this will make sense to you, but
Speaker 1: this feels like.
Speaker 2: A movie that knows it's a movie, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like it's having fun within it to the
Speaker 2: point where there are things about Max Katie and his
Speaker 2: character and the things that he does that we don't
Speaker 2: even really question because this is basically a monster movie
Speaker 2: and Max is obviously the monster, and so we give
Speaker 2: it some license to be a bit silly. Are the
Speaker 2: questions that you had, like like almost like how did this?
Speaker 5: There was one moment that I remember saying to you
Speaker 5: as if there would happen. I can't remember where it was,
Speaker 5: but I think what I feel about this movie overalls,
Speaker 5: it's a little bit naff, it's a little bit cheesy,
Speaker 5: but I really enjoyed that about it, because, as you say,
Speaker 5: it's a movie that's trying to be a movie. It's
Speaker 5: not trying to be completely real, and it's entertaining.
Speaker 2: It's a pure piece of entertainment. If you were to
Speaker 2: put the lens over this, you would be questioning stuff
Speaker 2: like like when he records the threat?
Speaker 1: Yeah, why was he recording? Was he recording everything?
Speaker 2: As far as I can remember, and I'm now I've
Speaker 2: now seen it, I think probably four times, Yeah, twice
Speaker 2: this week.
Speaker 1: There's no.
Speaker 2: Nothing to insinuate or direct us to believe that Max
Speaker 2: records conversations. Yeah, and this is having dinner, he's having
Speaker 2: a he's in a diner, reading the Bible, having a coffee,
Speaker 2: and Sam comes in and threatens him, and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, he's recording a conversation. Now, when the shot
Speaker 2: is of Sam and it's over Max's shoulder, he does
Speaker 2: what he's for a very quick He puts his hand
Speaker 2: down and then goes back up, resting on the on
Speaker 2: the back crest of the diner that he's in. You
Speaker 2: could argue he could have pressed record on something, but
Speaker 2: I just don't know why he hesitate recorder and I
Speaker 2: don't know, like, why is he recording this conversation? Has
Speaker 2: he been recording all the conversations, because you do need
Speaker 2: to set up things like even the lighter, which very
Speaker 2: early on you see Max light his cigar and he's
Speaker 2: got his slight things in the when you're watching.
Speaker 3: The movie Booby Flat the Booby.
Speaker 1: Flash lighter, and you're like, I want that lighter, yeah.
Speaker 2: And that comes into play as we know at the
Speaker 2: end of the film, like does it, yes, because he
Speaker 2: lights his cigar and he gets set on fire.
Speaker 1: So it's it's kind of important.
Speaker 2: We don't think we're not supposed to think about these things,
Speaker 2: but subconsciously these things are going into your head that
Speaker 2: you are aware that Max does light cigars. You know,
Speaker 2: he talks about him being his vice, so that they
Speaker 2: are planting the idea. So if he just lights one
Speaker 2: cigar at the end of that movie, his first cigar,
Speaker 2: Angelie Lewis on him, it's not as satisfying, but we
Speaker 2: know that this has been the bread crumbs have been
Speaker 2: laid beforehand, so there seems been no bread crumbs as
Speaker 2: far as him recording conversations. So there's there's that. There's
Speaker 2: even there's a question about why when he gets beat up,
Speaker 2: why didn't he check behind the rubbish spin like where
Speaker 2: he's hiding. Well, what I would say is, I think
Speaker 2: Max has a plan, and his plans actually going perfectly
Speaker 2: because in these kind of movies, what you want. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is obviously a remake of the original kpe Fear,
Speaker 2: but there's been plenty of movies where it's about a monster,
Speaker 2: human monster kind of terrorizing a family, out for revenge
Speaker 2: for various reasons.
Speaker 1: What we what we want this monster to do?
Speaker 2: Though he's not just terrorist physically, he needs to be psychologically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we.
Speaker 2: Also need to see that person, that individual who is
Speaker 2: the target to almost be losing everything and to and
Speaker 2: to be making force into making bad decisions. And Sam
Speaker 2: makes really bad decisions all the way through.
Speaker 3: And over and over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, none of them work, which is exactly what you want.
Speaker 2: But so I think maxis knows. I think he suspects it.
Speaker 2: He's there, oh absolutely.
Speaker 1: And he decides, no, this is part of my plan.
Speaker 3: Doesn't he call out his name? Yeah, so he does
Speaker 3: know he's there.
Speaker 2: Yeah so yeah, yeah, so I I just think he
Speaker 2: knows this is part of my plan.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be rushed into making.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I've got and he does have because
Speaker 2: he you know, he has a plan. He wants to
Speaker 2: put him on trial, and he wants to have his
Speaker 2: way with his family.
Speaker 3: He wants his way.
Speaker 5: You know, he's been in prison ruminating and coming up
Speaker 5: with this plan and going over and over and over
Speaker 5: in his mind, and he doesn't want it to be
Speaker 5: spoiled by this this brazen act.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right, Yeah, yeah, And there's I mean there's
Speaker 2: questions all the way through, like where towards the end
Speaker 2: and we're jumping around a bit, which is fine, But
Speaker 2: towards the end when he dresses up as he gets
Speaker 2: his normal Norman baits on and he dresses up as
Speaker 2: the the housekeeper.
Speaker 3: I loved that.
Speaker 1: Where did you get the black wig from?
Speaker 3: I know? But there's what I love about this movie.
Speaker 5: As you said you touched on earlier, there's so many
Speaker 5: parts in this movie where, if you really thought about it,
Speaker 5: you're like how did that happen?
Speaker 3: And how could this happen? And how could this happen?
Speaker 5: And they do it and they're like, we don't give
Speaker 5: a fuck, And I love that they don't care. Yes,
Speaker 5: you know, it's what makes it so so unique and
Speaker 5: so brilliant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I love I love that you you love that.
Speaker 2: The The thing also about this is you realize that
Speaker 2: everyone in that family loses something that's you got would
Speaker 2: argue is the most important thing or one of the
Speaker 2: most important things to them. Yeah. In that the daughter
Speaker 2: Danielle Julie Lewis, she loses the housekeeper. She almost sees it.
Speaker 2: It's almost a surrogate mum in a way. Lee Jessica
Speaker 2: Lang loses the dog, which is like it, and they
Speaker 2: make the point, this is your dog, it's his mum's dog.
Speaker 2: Usually when you have a dog in the family, is
Speaker 2: that dog?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You know, like yeah, but it's they make the point,
Speaker 2: and there's no accident in a Mountain Scorsese film, like
Speaker 2: they're making the points.
Speaker 1: It sleeves dog.
Speaker 3: So then the dead loses his detective friend. Who does he.
Speaker 1: Lose his mistress?
Speaker 8: Oh of course, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And you've also
Speaker 8: got the you've also got losing things in the sense of,
Speaker 8: you know, the daughter loses her innocence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the wife loses her marriage to trust a new
Speaker 3: marriage what sounds like it was already lost anyway.
Speaker 1: It's fascinating.
Speaker 2: Apparently it's got says resisted doing this film because he
Speaker 2: thought the family in the earlier drafts were too happy.
Speaker 2: And I love the murkiness that has been ejected into
Speaker 2: this film because it's interesting that he's having this. They're
Speaker 2: playing he's playing squash with this younger woman who he
Speaker 2: works with, and they do they said there's no accidents.
Speaker 2: They do say nothing's happened, and then Lola, I think,
Speaker 2: says nothing's happened yet, you know, Yeah, so we know
Speaker 2: there's been a breach of not physical but emotional has
Speaker 2: been in the emotional treeson here, and then later on
Speaker 2: we find out that this has kind of happened before,
Speaker 2: maybe to a more serious extent, where he's been unfaithful.
Speaker 5: In the marriage, and that part of it that really
Speaker 5: reps a you emotionally too, because it's so it's so real.
Speaker 5: So many marriages and relationships that I know have been
Speaker 5: through those exact trials and tribulations.
Speaker 3: And my heart just went out for the wife.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: You know, so you've got this whole realistic, emotional, kind
Speaker 5: of underlying story with the family the whole way through.
Speaker 1: And you're not sure, like, is he a man who
Speaker 1: has made mistakes and now is genuinely trying to like
Speaker 1: maybe ten.
Speaker 2: Years earlier, whenever the fees took place, if he would
Speaker 2: have been sleeping with that Lola character, Yeah, he hasn't,
Speaker 2: And we can't judge any kind of future intentions.
Speaker 1: We don't know, like, there's nothing to say that he's
Speaker 1: planning on.
Speaker 5: Leaving personally, I think he definitely intends to, and he's
Speaker 5: playing with fire.
Speaker 2: And these these digs that the wife makes about you know,
Speaker 2: you know, you're used to playing dirty and all of that.
Speaker 3: And definitely don't like him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is.
Speaker 2: A really interesting thing to have as your protagonist, somebody
Speaker 2: who's like the idea is, you know, more conventional filmmaking
Speaker 2: is you make your your protagonists like the.
Speaker 1: Hero of the story. There's no real clear defined hero.
Speaker 2: Potentially it is Lee, Jessica Lang and Danielle, you know,
Speaker 2: the daughter who kind of save the day, you know,
Speaker 2: at least help save the day and at least and
Speaker 2: we'll get to that those moments later, but put themselves
Speaker 2: on the line.
Speaker 5: But almost for her, it's a sad story because his
Speaker 5: wife and his daughter are having to go through all
Speaker 5: of this because of his mistakes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And that's something that is important in these
Speaker 2: kinds of films where everything and we mentioned it before,
Speaker 2: everything Sam does like he can't do nothing because it's
Speaker 2: not interesting to watch a character in a movie do nothing,
Speaker 2: So we do need him. He rests the idea of
Speaker 2: like crossing the legal line, and then he's and we
Speaker 2: understand why we kind of we're supporting him in a
Speaker 2: way of going, no, get rid of this monster. He's
Speaker 2: threatening your family. But nothing, nothing works, Nothing works. There's
Speaker 2: the murkiness, of course, about what the central I guess
Speaker 2: thing in this movie that the movie doesn't happen without
Speaker 2: it is what happened between Max and Sam originally that
Speaker 2: resulted in Max serving fourteen years, yeah, prison time, which
Speaker 2: is Sam burying some information that came through about the
Speaker 2: rape victim being promiscuous, and he buried that knowing that
Speaker 2: Max had raped before and will rape again, and he'd
Speaker 2: seen the result of that rape, and he made basically
Speaker 2: his own moral compass a choice to bury that information.
Speaker 5: Which was surprising because I already didn't like this guy,
Speaker 5: and then you learn this piece of information that kind
Speaker 5: of shows, oh, he does there is something in him
Speaker 5: that does have good morals.
Speaker 3: But even knowing that, I still don't like him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting because you can understand Max what Max
Speaker 2: is within his rights not to do what he does,
Speaker 2: but to be furious. Yeah, and Sam doesn't think he's
Speaker 2: confused as to why he knows. He doesn't know that
Speaker 2: maxic going to go and learn teachers how to read
Speaker 2: and then representing himself in court. Then he finds out
Speaker 2: about you know, when he's representing himself in court, he
Speaker 2: finds out about this information because he's got access to
Speaker 2: it now, so he could not have foreseen that.
Speaker 1: But Max is within his rights.
Speaker 2: You are entitled to the you know, the best possible
Speaker 2: defense a lawyer can provide, and a defense lawyer and
Speaker 2: we all have moral you know, like morally we always
Speaker 2: question how can you defend someone who does that? Of course,
Speaker 2: but there are peers system at and so he has
Speaker 2: not done his job.
Speaker 1: But we also understand, I think Sam's one of you.
Speaker 2: When we're in a way thankful for that, because like, yeah,
Speaker 2: a sixteen year old's promiscuous ways should not result in her.
Speaker 3: He deserves to be exactly.
Speaker 1: So in a way, I thank you for doing that
Speaker 1: and keeping this monster off the street for fourteen years.
Speaker 2: So you got this too. It's brilliant because he got
Speaker 2: this to sides. You can kind of see you can
Speaker 2: see Max's point of view. Yeah, and you can see
Speaker 2: Sam's point of view.
Speaker 5: How did Max find out if Sam buried information? How
Speaker 5: on earth did Max find that out from prison?
Speaker 1: Because he starts representing himself in retrials.
Speaker 5: And what and did they have to provide? I just
Speaker 5: don't understand how he found that piece of paper if
Speaker 5: he got rid of it.
Speaker 1: I don't Well, he said he buried it.
Speaker 2: When I say buried, he obviously put it somewhere if
Speaker 2: he said something like, you know, I burnt it or
Speaker 2: you like, but I I just just he just put
Speaker 2: it in the files, like that piece of evidence still exists.
Speaker 5: I just would have thought, if you were going to
Speaker 5: do something corrupt like that, wouldn't you make damn sure
Speaker 5: it was not able to be found again?
Speaker 2: Because I think, and this is I think this is
Speaker 2: part of Max always thinking that people think they're better
Speaker 2: than him. I just think Sam thought this was low
Speaker 2: hanging fruit, and he's white trash.
Speaker 1: You can't read.
Speaker 2: True, is white trash, scum of the earth. This will
Speaker 2: not come back to buy me.
Speaker 5: And he keeps saying the whole way through, I'm not
Speaker 5: white trash and better than you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ye.
Speaker 3: Oh, he was so white.
Speaker 2: Well you know mean, I've seen the movie four times
Speaker 2: and you'll senatece once once. Yes, so I've got an
Speaker 2: advantage and always say this. This podcast is about somebody
Speaker 2: processing a film they have just seen.
Speaker 3: In real time.
Speaker 5: In real time, one thing I would like to talk
Speaker 5: to you about Wilet's in my mind. I found myself
Speaker 5: very interested in his here and the way he would
Speaker 5: go and curve perfectly comb it back, because I feel
Speaker 5: like that's quite a trademark thing through the generations of
Speaker 5: characters like his or like maybe even the cool guy
Speaker 5: character of the naughty boy character. There's kind of this
Speaker 5: trend through those ages of getting the comb out and
Speaker 5: you know you've done something quite manly and aggressive it
Speaker 5: and they bring the comb out and they like perfectly
Speaker 5: comb their hairback, and is there like quite a is
Speaker 5: there like a thing.
Speaker 2: I think I'll talk in regards to Max. I think
Speaker 2: there's a a certain vanity to him. I think he
Speaker 2: doesn't want to be seen as why it's trash.
Speaker 1: It's quite well dressed. You might think it's you know,
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you might think it looks ridiculous, but you know
Speaker 2: he's wearing nice shirt. He's driving a cat seems to
Speaker 2: be a Cadillac. Yeah. Yeah, he kind of takes pride
Speaker 2: in himself. Yeah, so I think, and that's why I like, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I love the first thing you see is him doing
Speaker 2: this workout, you know, with his top off in prison,
Speaker 2: and that tells us he's about to be let go.
Speaker 2: And the last thing he does with re leaves, he
Speaker 2: does a workout, Like is the man who takes some
Speaker 2: has still got some pride in himself. Yeah, yeah, So
Speaker 2: so yeah, let's talk about let's talk about Juliet Lewis.
Speaker 5: Which is weird though, isn't it that you've got this
Speaker 5: man who rapes people and yet and so he can't
Speaker 5: be too concerned with his reputation, and yet he does
Speaker 5: have these really these real elements to him, weary, very much.
Speaker 3: As concerned about how he's seen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's this weird dichotomy exists, like these two
Speaker 5: weird opposite things that exists at the same time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think I think that's what I love
Speaker 2: about the murkiness. There are so many films where it's
Speaker 2: it's just too it's so black a mite. You know,
Speaker 2: the hero is the hero and the villain of the
Speaker 2: villain that there's no there's no crossover. But yeah, the
Speaker 2: you know, Sam does some moral stuff, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: and Max doesn't do anything. I was struggled to thinking
Speaker 2: he does anything good. I'm not sure he does anything,
Speaker 2: but he talks about being good and being righteous.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He talks to Danielle in the order tore him about
Speaker 2: forgiving her parents and that, you know, I'm here to
Speaker 2: he sees himself as a savior. Yeah, I mean that scene.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about that scene. And Julia Lewis who I
Speaker 2: think he's phenomenal in this.
Speaker 3: Oh she's beautiful, isn't she.
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: First role, first role, first role. One of it was
Speaker 2: the first. She was the first person they auditioned, and
Speaker 2: they went on to look at five hundred other young actresses.
Speaker 1: Drew Barrymore.
Speaker 2: Audition Sarah Jessica Parker, and they they did not obviously
Speaker 2: did not get it, but yeah, brand new acting and
Speaker 2: just played it very naturally, was not was not technically trained.
Speaker 5: Well, that's what I loved about her is she was
Speaker 5: so delicate and soft spoken, and the way she was
Speaker 5: behaving was it didn't look like acting. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 5: it very much felt like you were just in the
Speaker 5: room with her, and that's how she would react in
Speaker 5: real life.
Speaker 3: It was. Yeah, it didn't look taught or constructed.
Speaker 2: And she wasn't. She wasn't like a stereotypically surly teenager.
Speaker 2: She had some she had some miller dorky, Yeah, little
Speaker 2: bit dorkie.
Speaker 1: She has some mood.
Speaker 2: There are times when she was like happy to be
Speaker 2: around her parents and other times where she was not
Speaker 2: really you know, like she's a bit judgy on them,
Speaker 2: and which is kind of I feel like three boys,
Speaker 2: and I can see that there are times when they're
Speaker 2: they're happy to have a laugh with you and are
Speaker 2: on board, and other times when they're like, oh god,
Speaker 2: you know, you know, so I think that's a pretty
Speaker 2: accurate kind of portrayal. Let's have a listen to that
Speaker 2: amazing scene, which may be the most remembered scene and
Speaker 2: record scene of.
Speaker 1: Cape Fear, which is Max.
Speaker 2: Katie gets Danielle to the auditorium under the pretense that
Speaker 2: he is the drama teacher, but takes a different turn.
Speaker 4: Every man carries a circle of hell around his head
Speaker 4: like a halo. You're daddy too, every man. Every man
Speaker 4: has to go through hell to reach his paradise. You
Speaker 4: know what paradise is, yeah, salvation? Because your dad is
Speaker 4: not happy, your mommy's not happy, and you know what,
Speaker 4: you're not happy?
Speaker 1: How are you not? You thought about me last night,
Speaker 1: didn't you?
Speaker 3: M Yes, I did, I know.
Speaker 4: You know, I think I might have found a companion,
Speaker 4: companion for that long walk to the lad.
Speaker 1: Do you matter if I put my arm around you?
Speaker 2: And then it gets it gets creepy. He doesn't that
Speaker 2: he's armor, right, Well, he doesn't really do that at all.
Speaker 2: In the end, he basically it's his hand, you know,
Speaker 2: comes gently across the face and then puts his thumb
Speaker 2: in her mouth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she kind of sucks it a little bit
Speaker 1: weird loud.
Speaker 3: Feels so weird to hear that out loud.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then you know he takes it about and
Speaker 1: then he puts it back in with a bit more force. Yeah.
Speaker 2: At the moment, you're not sure if she is enjoying
Speaker 2: it or if she is just under being forced into
Speaker 2: this situation. It's and then then by the end of
Speaker 2: the scene where she runs out crying, you kind of go, no,
Speaker 2: she she was in fear.
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't know.
Speaker 5: I thought that she played very well. I feel like
Speaker 5: you could see that she was a.
Speaker 3: Young, naive girl who part of it, part.
Speaker 5: Of her really liked feeling special and feeling noticed by
Speaker 5: the sky. And I feel like there was this fight
Speaker 5: within her of oh my gosh, you know, I think
Speaker 5: this older guy is showing me interest, like me interest,
Speaker 5: but also knowing that it wasn't quite right.
Speaker 3: And I feel like there was just this in a
Speaker 3: war within her about which one she was supposed to
Speaker 3: give into.
Speaker 2: I completely agree. And to see her the wheels, the
Speaker 2: cogs in her.
Speaker 3: Mind her brain played there brilliant.
Speaker 2: She played it so well, like it's a real extraordinarily
Speaker 2: nuanced performances beautiful.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's one of those really cheesy things where I'm like,
Speaker 5: she see it so much without saying at all, yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, just with the slight twitches of her facial expressions.
Speaker 2: And then it's just she runs out and she's crying,
Speaker 2: and that doesn't necessarily like You're still right in asking
Speaker 2: questions and like was she what was she thinking in
Speaker 2: that moment? Like it could have been once he was gone,
Speaker 2: that it dawned on the like fuck, like yeah, or
Speaker 2: was all that in her the whole time? Behind the
Speaker 2: scenes this was improvised. And also there's a there's a
Speaker 2: big open mouth kiss. Yes that I would assume there
Speaker 2: was some tongue involved by judging by what we saw,
Speaker 2: and I'm not sure if the kiss was scripted, but
Speaker 2: certainly the thumb in the mouth was improvised, says he
Speaker 2: said to Juliet Lewis, Denia is going to do something
Speaker 2: a bit different. I don't know if he said go
Speaker 2: along with it or whatever. I don't want to put
Speaker 2: those words in martains his mouth, but just that will happen.
Speaker 2: Be aware they shut this scene only three times, and
Speaker 2: apparently the first the first take is what they used.
Speaker 2: So that's extraordinary, and.
Speaker 3: That he was I don't want to say Ryan doing
Speaker 3: it because I don't think it is right. Well, it's
Speaker 3: just great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had a very quick discussion and we wanted
Speaker 2: to keep more for the podcast. But you know, would
Speaker 2: an actor get away with doing this in today's climate?
Speaker 2: You know, now you have intimacy coordinators on set where
Speaker 2: things are spoken about Julie Lewis is nineteen.
Speaker 1: Oh, he would have been forty.
Speaker 5: Really, I suspect, and I kind of think if you're
Speaker 5: talking if in the essence of it, like, I don't
Speaker 5: really think that it's right, Hence why we're saying you'd
Speaker 5: never get away with that today. But if you're looking
Speaker 5: at it purely from just an acting point of view,
Speaker 5: I mean, the fact that they got the best take
Speaker 5: in the first take shows that what he was trying
Speaker 5: to do, which was get a genuine reaction from you know,
Speaker 5: maybe her shock or yeah.
Speaker 3: So I mean it worked for what he was.
Speaker 1: Doing, and asolutely works what he's doing.
Speaker 2: I guess the question would be, is that does that
Speaker 2: justify where do you draw the line? Yeah, sticking your
Speaker 2: thumb into somebody's mouth is a pretty intense.
Speaker 3: Move, Which would you do you think.
Speaker 2: When I went to the jungle, Dicode did that to me,
Speaker 2: and I was like, this is this is weird.
Speaker 3: I do that to you too. I just thought that's
Speaker 3: what we were all doing. I thought it was a challenge.
Speaker 5: But do you think that, I mean, do you think
Speaker 5: it made the movie enough that if she maybe did
Speaker 5: it ten less good because it wasn't a surprise, that
Speaker 5: it would have made that big of an impact, Like
Speaker 5: how important do you think that was?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It really so hard to.
Speaker 1: It's a really good question.
Speaker 2: And I can understand why directors and actors may want
Speaker 2: to save something and do some improvisation, because there are
Speaker 2: some things that are hard to act. Like really, I
Speaker 2: think so impressive, like we oh, you know, because these
Speaker 2: really good actors they know exactly what's about to happen,
Speaker 2: and the trick they have to play is is to
Speaker 2: not they have any idea as to what's about to happen.
Speaker 1: It's a really you know, it's a really hard thing
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 3: I could never be an actress. There was so much
Speaker 3: respect for actors.
Speaker 1: I could never be I could be an actor.
Speaker 2: I could ever be a great actor, you know, because
Speaker 2: I I'm not sure if I have.
Speaker 1: That ability to completely look like I don't know what's about.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, thank you for agreeing with you, Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: I was actually looking for validation. Okay, you're not getting
Speaker 2: my thumb in your mouth. Anytime soon.
Speaker 3: I know about it.
Speaker 5: I just just giving yourself to a production and getting
Speaker 5: yourself in their mind space.
Speaker 2: I couldn't do it, no, And there is something glorious
Speaker 2: about discovering moments within a scene, you know. But I
Speaker 2: think today there's been enough infractions and people crossing the
Speaker 2: line where you're going to go, well that if we
Speaker 2: miss out on the occasional piece of brilliance for people
Speaker 2: to feel safe in their work environment. And I think
Speaker 2: that's a compromise. I think we're all okay to make.
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially with the age difference.
Speaker 5: And I'm sure they didn't have intimacy coordinators back in
Speaker 5: the day.
Speaker 2: She certainly did not, and Julie Lewis, for the record,
Speaker 2: loves the scene, had no issue with it, and she
Speaker 2: kind of entered this not really knowing how amazing de
Speaker 2: Niro was, wasn't It was a bit naive as far
Speaker 2: as who was who and all that, so it wasn't
Speaker 2: particularly intimidated. She said, he was a great scene partner
Speaker 2: and has no kind of regrets or.
Speaker 5: Like when I became your friend and everyone's like, do
Speaker 5: you know that he's on row?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I did not miss a minute. Prisons the jungle.
Speaker 1: I was like, ah, hoping Hannah would be here, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll deal with this.
Speaker 5: Hannah would have been cac two point zero. We all
Speaker 5: know she knows that I've said that to her face, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she shouldn't have lasted.
Speaker 3: Oh god, no, she would have been miserable in there.
Speaker 5: What I enjoyed about the follow on from that thummy
Speaker 5: mouse scene was when she was back in her bedroom
Speaker 5: and her dad was talking to her about it. You
Speaker 5: could see that there was this little seed in her,
Speaker 5: like it was almost this schoolgirl, naughty little crush maybe,
Speaker 5: And I felt like there was part of her that
Speaker 5: quite enjoyed that she had this secret relationship with a
Speaker 5: bad guy. And if things hadn't escalated with Max, I
Speaker 5: think she would have happily, like found it quite exciting
Speaker 5: to establish a proper relationship with him and see where
Speaker 5: it went.
Speaker 1: Yeah, think you're actually right again. So beautifully played she was.
Speaker 5: She just the way she got all of that across
Speaker 5: with the most subtle movements of her face.
Speaker 3: She's brilliant at nineteen.
Speaker 2: And again Sam the character fucking up again, like making
Speaker 2: it worse for himself, but getting up having his mouth
Speaker 2: over you know, which is you know, like it is
Speaker 2: a reference resisted the thumb being in her mouth and
Speaker 2: he's got his hand over her mouth almost squeezing her cheeks. Yeah,
Speaker 2: his own daughter. It's like you've made another choice and
Speaker 2: it's a fucking another bad choice.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you are fucking this up.
Speaker 3: The whole scene was brilliant. I really enjoyed it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I understood.
Speaker 5: I understood it because I think me as a teenage girl,
Speaker 5: this part of me that would have gotten off on
Speaker 5: being like, oh, they don't know that I actually have
Speaker 5: something special with this guy that they hate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because she is kind of at war a little bit.
Speaker 2: As much as we're saying there are times when they're
Speaker 2: getting long, and they were, but they've had They've gone
Speaker 2: to war with each other a.
Speaker 1: Couple of times.
Speaker 2: I think there was references to her being caught with
Speaker 2: marijuana and she got in trouble for that, so there is,
Speaker 2: you know, there's some tension between them, so she and
Speaker 2: also she just does not I think it's very accurate
Speaker 2: she maybe does not know the seriousness of this discussion
Speaker 2: because she has not been told the full truth about
Speaker 2: Max Katie.
Speaker 5: You know, like, I definitely don't think she knew the
Speaker 5: full extent of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pretty sure that says she certainly doesn't know
Speaker 2: that he raped a sixteen year old. Another interesting thing
Speaker 2: about the movie is to go back to the rape
Speaker 2: and beating of Lola and then she won't testify she
Speaker 2: is involved. It does make you know, it's a point
Speaker 2: really worth making about the judicial system and victims of rape,
Speaker 2: where even she knows what it's like for somebody like
Speaker 2: that dude who has been sexually a solo or raped
Speaker 2: to go through the legal system, and as much as
Speaker 2: she's part of the legal system and you would think, well,
Speaker 2: you know, you shouldn't be the one who stands up.
Speaker 2: She knows that she is going to be shamed throughout
Speaker 2: that trial, that she is going to be have to
Speaker 2: justify why she was in that bar while she was
Speaker 2: drinking so much, why she was wearing what she was wearing,
Speaker 2: why she went back to where you know, and it
Speaker 2: will also by questions potentially about her relationship with Sam
Speaker 2: and so I think that's also there's a good point
Speaker 2: the filmmakes along the way.
Speaker 5: Do you think that she was also worried about if
Speaker 5: she testified him coming and finishing the job.
Speaker 2: Yeah, potentially the brazen nature of it, Like it's more
Speaker 2: brazen that he didn't kill her in a way, because
Speaker 2: it's like it's a small town. Yeah, he's beaten her,
Speaker 2: like bitten, cheek off, and then he just hangs around town.
Speaker 3: I was very surprised he didn't kill her.
Speaker 1: Well, I assumed even when I was and I saw
Speaker 1: it many many years ago when I was released.
Speaker 2: But he kills you know, yeah, same, Oh no, she's
Speaker 2: still alive. Yeah, very brazen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I agree, these great deeper messages that are
Speaker 5: dotted in here along the way, as every great movie should.
Speaker 2: Then you have this trap that gets played which is
Speaker 2: kind of floated earlier by Robert Mitcham, who plays a detective.
Speaker 2: And a fun little fact here is that Robert Mitcham
Speaker 2: and Gregory pack appear in this film. They both appeared
Speaker 2: in the ninety sixty two film as Gregory Peck played Sam,
Speaker 2: which is an acknowledge role, and Robert Mitcham was Max.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I love that to us.
Speaker 2: There's a little switcheroo here where Gregory Peck probably plays
Speaker 2: this the lawyer in this Atticus Finch the greater. I mean,
Speaker 2: Gregory Peck's one of the autopic Mockingbird fantastic, and he
Speaker 2: plays the kind of like whether he's sleezy is I
Speaker 2: mean in the way I guess he's doing his job,
Speaker 2: But he does go really hard at Sam. But then
Speaker 2: again Sam has actually organized for his client to be beaten.
Speaker 2: And Robert Mitchi he played Max, he's now playing a
Speaker 2: role on the good guy side, if you like, as
Speaker 2: a detective. But he does float earlier the idea of
Speaker 2: setting a trap where you, you know, if you want
Speaker 2: to get the monster out of the shrub, you have
Speaker 2: your goats in the open, and the idea that the
Speaker 2: monster will come out to take the goats. He's referring
Speaker 2: to it Sam's family. Yeah, he's like, I'm not going
Speaker 2: I'm not going to do that. But then it goes
Speaker 2: to the point where he's like, well, I need to
Speaker 2: do something, and we're going to do this plan with
Speaker 2: the detective who loves his Jack Daniels and pepto bismo, which, yeah.
Speaker 5: What have you tried that combat combination? No, hipto bismol.
Speaker 5: That's like an antie what do you call it?
Speaker 3: Reflux?
Speaker 1: Reflux? Yeah, so it's like my Atlanta kind of.
Speaker 8: Yeah vibe, and I feel like they would bubble or
Speaker 8: kurdel ors something not keep them separated.
Speaker 3: I think absolutely got to keep them separad.
Speaker 2: It what nice straight after that? Yea, hell to the offspring.
Speaker 2: If you're listening, I would.
Speaker 3: Love to see the offspring if anyone's got some tickets.
Speaker 1: Going, I've bet the Offspring them a couple of times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, really, Oh my god, I love the Offspring.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was going to see them in Germany, but I
Speaker 3: forgot to buy tickets.
Speaker 2: Funny enough, I took a photo of them you know
Speaker 2: where I'm actually keeping them separated and laugh laughing hysterically
Speaker 2: while they look very unimpressed.
Speaker 3: Love.
Speaker 1: So we set that photo up that was they're fun guys.
Speaker 3: Cool, fun guys full of angst or not.
Speaker 1: Really they're happy with that a lot.
Speaker 5: Well, anyway, if anyone listening wants to buy me tickets
Speaker 5: to a show somewhere, my m box is open.
Speaker 1: Done soul.
Speaker 2: The trap is to to make it look like Sam
Speaker 2: has gone on a plane taking the trip into State.
Speaker 2: He seems to board the plane. We don't see him
Speaker 2: on the plane, but we see I think, go through
Speaker 2: the gate. I think I do wonder how he gets
Speaker 2: how he gets off the plane.
Speaker 5: So I don't even thought about how he gets off
Speaker 5: the planet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then makes it back through the car park
Speaker 2: because Max is there.
Speaker 1: Max seems to be a guy who pays attention.
Speaker 5: This is another one of those which I this time,
Speaker 5: this is another massive question that we just allow the
Speaker 5: movie to brush it over. Yes, how there's no way
Speaker 5: in hell there's such a small door that goes down
Speaker 5: the gangway. So he going back through that door without
Speaker 5: an ear host is noticing, and without Max noticing.
Speaker 2: Well, Max is basically there the whollowing them. And I
Speaker 2: don't think Max is the kind of guy he gets
Speaker 2: distracted easily. No, but whether maybe we don't see him
Speaker 2: even go on that walkway towards the plane. But even
Speaker 2: if we don't, I still feel Max would have seen
Speaker 2: that he's paying Attention's not that far away.
Speaker 3: And also as someone that is a frequent flyer.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, you've got some miles.
Speaker 5: How bad are these disk people at their job that
Speaker 5: they're scanning some one's ticket and they're not noticing them
Speaker 5: not walk down the gangway?
Speaker 2: That plane would not take off, No, it wouldn't. It'll
Speaker 2: be and be there would be announcements, Actually, wouldn't they
Speaker 2: there would there'll be mister over there, Sam Bowden, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and Travis Travis apologies to mister Bickle. Max would be like,
Speaker 2: hang on a second, you think it on the plane?
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, sitting the trap form another massive hole here
Speaker 5: that I actually love.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, let's welcome. I love the holes. I
Speaker 3: love the holes.
Speaker 1: We won't take that out of context at all.
Speaker 2: And there are movies where plot holes drive your nuts,
Speaker 2: holes ability holes, they can send you crazy. But this
Speaker 2: one's not one of those movies.
Speaker 3: No, because you don't take it that seriously.
Speaker 5: If it was a movie feigning, you know, wanting to
Speaker 5: be serious, I would talk about it till the cows
Speaker 5: came home. I'd ring up, I'd ring up my granny,
Speaker 5: my grandpa, anyone that would listen. Have you showing the
Speaker 5: floor and the story. But this might I just lea U.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like, let the cows stay up late.
Speaker 3: I don't care if they come back, didn't come home.
Speaker 1: Why are you watching a movie?
Speaker 3: Jeez, woman, you gotta lay show on these things. You
Speaker 3: gotta loosen up.
Speaker 2: And then they set the trap, and part of it
Speaker 2: involves obviously the old mat the detective and some fishing
Speaker 2: wire and The Teddy Bear. There's a lovely line where
Speaker 2: he goes to kind of take umbradge with his daughter Danielle,
Speaker 2: and she says, yeah, they all go, you'll stay down,
Speaker 2: and she says, you're not allowed to stand up, dad,
Speaker 2: And she says it it's a bit of attitude, and
Speaker 2: it's a great line because it's not just talking about
Speaker 2: I think that physical moment and act of standing up.
Speaker 2: It's also like he's emasculated through this whole kind of movie.
Speaker 3: You know, he deserves to be real.
Speaker 2: He makes a very feeble effort to get him to
Speaker 2: stop laughing in the cinema.
Speaker 1: There's changing seats by the way. I don't think anyone's
Speaker 1: laughed at that movie like that much at all.
Speaker 2: But there's times when he hasn't acted like the keeper
Speaker 2: of the house, if you like, in the way that
Speaker 2: traditionally he would see a man should behave.
Speaker 3: Why did she say that to him? Again? Was it
Speaker 3: was she pested him at the time.
Speaker 2: I think there's subtext to what she says. So he
Speaker 2: got up to say, I forget what the argument was
Speaker 2: or what she had said kind of spark him up,
Speaker 2: but he got up. He was like below the blinds,
Speaker 2: and then he got up to go to her, probably
Speaker 2: put his hand over her mouth again, and she says,
Speaker 2: you're not let to sound up that because everyone's like,
Speaker 2: get down, get down.
Speaker 5: Do you think there was a little part of her
Speaker 5: that was still feeling something.
Speaker 3: I think I think she's.
Speaker 1: I think she's going to pissed off of the whole situation.
Speaker 2: When they get out of the car and he kind
Speaker 2: of yeah, sneaks out of the carney, they've hit him
Speaker 2: back and they're in the garage. She does have I
Speaker 2: didn't note that she had a bit of a surly,
Speaker 2: kind of right bored expressions like this is a hassle
Speaker 2: to have to go through this. I can't believe that's
Speaker 2: gonna my dad, my family's going to raid my mom
Speaker 2: in the houseboat.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is embarrassing m L.
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 1: A lot of smoking in bed too.
Speaker 5: Disgusting, they won't stop smoking, and a lot of like,
Speaker 5: you know, we we we touched on this in the
Speaker 5: lounge earlier. How that first time that they made love
Speaker 5: and they got out of bed and she got up
Speaker 5: and went and put lipstick on, and I was like,
Speaker 5: why why does she get up and put have you ever.
Speaker 5: Have you ever made love to bridge and gotten up
Speaker 5: and put and got enough and put lipstick on afterwards?
Speaker 1: I haven't put.
Speaker 5: Has she got enough and put lipstick on? When it
Speaker 5: is very much night time and you were already a slate?
Speaker 1: Yeah? We all have our post sex rituals. Yes, what
Speaker 1: was yours? Again?
Speaker 3: It's I like to high five.
Speaker 5: We say thanks for the mean route, very romantic in
Speaker 5: our household.
Speaker 3: What was yours?
Speaker 1: We ended a half hour with the chest bump?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, nice, We should.
Speaker 1: Get out of bed, and they were like, run up
Speaker 1: to each other and give it.
Speaker 3: However, a run up you want to too much?
Speaker 5: You know, you don't want to burst any boobies. No,
Speaker 5: from the other end of the room.
Speaker 2: Or I like about two or three meters away. Perfect,
Speaker 2: and sometimes every time right we start up again?
Speaker 1: Really yeah?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, god, I don't have to be a fly
Speaker 3: on that.
Speaker 2: This is your Does your half five ever lead to
Speaker 2: a high ten or a you know one on the
Speaker 2: side to slow?
Speaker 5: It's never deviated from one single high five.
Speaker 3: And then I usually run off to the toilet to
Speaker 3: release the content. That's about it. I think we make
Speaker 3: some noodles.
Speaker 1: I feel it went from comic call to way too
Speaker 1: much information.
Speaker 2: I feel like, I'm not sure if I believed the
Speaker 2: high five thing, but yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: You don't.
Speaker 1: I think I think, I think I need some Jack
Speaker 1: danielsons a pepto bismo.
Speaker 3: Oh jo me both brother.
Speaker 2: The murders happened, and like we said, where does he
Speaker 2: get the black wig from? That was that was strange,
Speaker 2: but again we don't care. And another element to this,
Speaker 2: which is again brave choice from Scorsese. It's just slipping
Speaker 2: over in the blood.
Speaker 5: Yes, oh that made me physically flinch, like what are
Speaker 5: you doing to the crime scene.
Speaker 1: It's almost slapstick.
Speaker 2: Then just a lank comes over and she slips over
Speaker 2: in it.
Speaker 1: You almost wanted for Julie Lewis to get involved.
Speaker 5: And I wondered if I wondered if after he slipped
Speaker 5: in the blood, they would try and spin it like
Speaker 5: that placed the murder on him because he had the
Speaker 5: gun and he was covered in the blood.
Speaker 3: I thought it was going to go that direction.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, that's fair because usually again there are
Speaker 2: no accidents. I think it's just it feels like a
Speaker 2: very human moment. I mean, it is amusing, but it
Speaker 2: feels very human. That could potentially happen, and then that's
Speaker 2: just kind of like the double murder should be enough.
Speaker 1: But I guess it's enough to we all know the
Speaker 1: frustration of.
Speaker 3: Murdering two people were in their blood. It's so annoying.
Speaker 1: How many times does that happen on blow Deck.
Speaker 3: All the time? Yeah, it's so frustrating, and the decan
Speaker 3: has to deal with the take. I know, I.
Speaker 2: Don't care what the primaries are asking for. What is
Speaker 2: the weirdest request you've got from a primary.
Speaker 1: WED request?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, are you angry about the question?
Speaker 3: Listen, pain, Yes, you know my qualms with this question.
Speaker 3: You know how I can't remember any movies.
Speaker 5: You know how they erases the exact same thing happens
Speaker 5: with guest requests. Now, every interview that I go on to,
Speaker 5: the people love the last They save it till right
Speaker 5: until the end. They think they're building up to this huge,
Speaker 5: you know, climax, and they're like, now, tell us, tell
Speaker 5: us ocean, and I am like, fuck, here we go,
Speaker 5: tell us.
Speaker 3: What's the cortiest thing? I guess is asked for? And
Speaker 3: I have sat for hours. Genuinely, once I sat for
Speaker 3: two hours and I racked my brains. I was like,
Speaker 3: what about this strip? What about this strip?
Speaker 5: Trying to think of the weirdest thing someone has asked for,
Speaker 5: and I just cannot think of anything.
Speaker 1: I wasn't aware of that, so I do apologize. I
Speaker 1: thought it was.
Speaker 2: Very interesting, crazy question to me. Apologize, you're a bust.
Speaker 2: We did have a runny joke in the jungle of
Speaker 2: trying to sneak that question in as many times as
Speaker 2: we could once we found out that you hate that question.
Speaker 5: So if anyone is working on yachts and has a
Speaker 5: crazy request that you could message me and feel comfortable
Speaker 5: with me using as my own story.
Speaker 1: Reach out.
Speaker 5: It really helped me out. I just can't think of
Speaker 5: anything now.
Speaker 3: The double murder.
Speaker 5: What I want to talk about with this murder, which
Speaker 5: I realized as we're talking about it.
Speaker 3: It's so swiftly moved on to the next scene.
Speaker 5: We don't even see like a police investigation about these murders.
Speaker 2: No, well, I think we want to stay with the
Speaker 2: family at that point.
Speaker 1: I think we want to go back.
Speaker 2: We know that Max is under the car again, I'm
Speaker 2: not sure what the probability of that.
Speaker 3: That's what I was saying.
Speaker 1: That's so you know, so unrealistic, but again we love
Speaker 1: it. It would be carried in the Simpsons many years later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then we do have of the phone call
Speaker 2: that samplets in saying, I think reasonably he knows it
Speaker 2: looks bad running from a crime scene, but you find
Speaker 2: Max Katie and then we will come back and not
Speaker 2: before them, which I think is reasonable. They're unaware, of
Speaker 2: course he has hitched a ride under their car by
Speaker 2: using his belt.
Speaker 3: What was the belt attached to pete under carriage?
Speaker 1: I don't know enough about car.
Speaker 3: What part of the undercarriage? Tell me mission of his belt.
Speaker 5: So you're telling me he was hooked underneath this car
Speaker 5: from the waist and he has got a strong enough
Speaker 5: torso that he can keep his neck and shoulders above
Speaker 5: the ground for that long. And you're telling me that
Speaker 5: on that drive, the whole way the road was so flat.
Speaker 3: That there was nothing he could have had his head on.
Speaker 5: There was no undulations and the kangaroo that can go.
Speaker 3: Well, I wasn't thinking that.
Speaker 5: But you know, pulling into a when you put into
Speaker 5: a pictrol station in the States in the area, nine
Speaker 5: times out of ten you're going to go over rocks
Speaker 5: the car.
Speaker 2: The car does seem like it's been lifted, it's been altered.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure Max to that.
Speaker 3: Maybe he did. I feel he probably did.
Speaker 2: I feel like, if you're running from a madman and
Speaker 2: you after some safety, the last place you go he's
Speaker 2: a place called Cape Fear. Yes, I feel like, even
Speaker 2: if it's just as an omen, I wouldn't have gone there.
Speaker 5: And which, Okay, so when he's stripped, I know I'm
Speaker 5: getting I'm dialing into this probably a bit too much.
Speaker 3: I'm being obsessed.
Speaker 5: But when he was when he was under the car,
Speaker 5: was he feet first or head first?
Speaker 2: He's I think he's I think his head was down
Speaker 2: the passenger and the trunk.
Speaker 5: And if you like, so, how tall would you say?
Speaker 5: Here it's like six foot four.
Speaker 1: I think he's six ft four, six foot.
Speaker 5: And you're telling me those long legs he was able
Speaker 5: to keep hold us.
Speaker 2: Very strong core. I mean, if you see Hi works
Speaker 2: out in jail, you must have the planting king he
Speaker 2: was in that prison, he would.
Speaker 3: Have broken the world planking record.
Speaker 1: Yes, very strong core.
Speaker 5: Anyway, none of it's believable, but again that's why we
Speaker 5: love it.
Speaker 2: She gets down there and they get on the boat.
Speaker 2: Now you swear you had some questions about is this
Speaker 2: a river? Is it a bay, because I would like
Speaker 2: to know, yeah, yes, and questions there was a squall
Speaker 2: coming in.
Speaker 3: There's a squall coming in, and how aggressive.
Speaker 1: That it got wild pretty quickly.
Speaker 5: The body of water was swaying around like nobody's business,
Speaker 5: as though you were out in the open ocean. I
Speaker 5: am telling you, if they were in a river, which
Speaker 5: is what it looked like to me, there is no
Speaker 5: way in hell the river would be creating these bulbous,
Speaker 5: aggressive waves like that. No chance at all, no chance,
Speaker 5: and even just you know when they do that shot
Speaker 5: from above him and the boats spinning as though it's
Speaker 5: like you know, on Twister and you've got their dial
Speaker 5: in the middle and news flick it with your finger
Speaker 5: and it goes it's it's spinning with almost the ease
Speaker 5: of that, And I'm like, there's just no way about
Speaker 5: that size and that weight would be spinning with that
Speaker 5: much ease and a flaming rebbe well anywhere.
Speaker 1: I agree. Does not change how I feel about the movie.
Speaker 3: No, absolutely not. I'm not We're not doing that, Pete.
Speaker 3: I'm not poo pooing on the movie. I'm pooing on
Speaker 3: the facts we which don't need to be correct. I'm
Speaker 3: just making statements.
Speaker 1: Max and Max Max's plan he's done to come together.
Speaker 2: This is where he sees his opportunity to execute his plan,
Speaker 2: which is basically to put Sam on trial himself.
Speaker 1: Things get pretty tense. He basically takes out Sam.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he goes again another beautiful mind from
Speaker 2: Juliet Lewis where he's asking about her and has he
Speaker 2: read the book that he left her? And she's not
Speaker 2: playing it so well, like she obviously hasn't read any
Speaker 2: of it and she's just trying to play it and
Speaker 2: she throws gets the hot water in his face.
Speaker 3: Year is always was so brave of her. What's the
Speaker 3: wife doing nothing?
Speaker 1: Well, she has a moment.
Speaker 2: She has a moment soon and and the thing that
Speaker 2: monster movies is you always have to kill the monster
Speaker 2: at least three times usually most Yeah, well you can't.
Speaker 1: Just you think of a movie where there's we'll call
Speaker 1: it the monster.
Speaker 2: It could be Hiven, it could be an actual monster,
Speaker 2: and you know it gets stabbed or something, it's never dead.
Speaker 1: And then you know you've always got to beat it
Speaker 1: at least I think three or four times. It is
Speaker 1: the first attempt.
Speaker 3: I think, what's another monster, incredible Hulk?
Speaker 2: Well, you know star Wars villain, Starfader impression you you
Speaker 2: did earlier?
Speaker 3: My brother, my brother Luke. Does he get wait who No,
Speaker 3: it's not Luke, what Luke Skywalker do?
Speaker 1: What is a Jedi?
Speaker 3: Anyway?
Speaker 2: Anyway, let's not let's not get there. And then she
Speaker 2: she gets put in the in the in the hole.
Speaker 2: It's a whole of the hold, you know your boats.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's saying hole. I think that's why I thought
Speaker 5: he was meaning. I thought he was going to put
Speaker 5: her under, because then there you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, there would be a hole, and then there's
Speaker 2: there's you know, he begins what we think is going
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 1: He's going to rape Lee. She goes for his gun.
Speaker 2: He realized, realizes and puts that on hold, and he
Speaker 2: remembers that he's still got his his trial to get through.
Speaker 2: Let's have a little listen to him putting Sam on trial.
Speaker 3: Would you call the cold why?
Speaker 10: Yes, I know he raped her and talk to me
Speaker 10: just because it was promiscuous to give me the right
Speaker 10: to raper. Did you pray to me that you beat
Speaker 10: two prior agre fate of rates. You are a man,
Speaker 10: You are my lawyer. You were my lawyer. That report
Speaker 10: will have saved me fourteen years. Probably right, you self
Speaker 10: have this love.
Speaker 3: On Virgil Counselor, and I'm getting usificates of him.
Speaker 10: We are now in the ninth circle, the circle of traitors,
Speaker 10: for racist to country, traits, to fellow man, to racers,
Speaker 10: to God.
Speaker 3: You, sir, are charge would betraying the principles of all freight.
Speaker 7: Can you please quote for me the American Bar Association
Speaker 7: to rules of professional conduct Cannon seven.
Speaker 10: Lewis should represent his prior.
Speaker 3: So jealously represent his clad within the bounds of the law.
Speaker 3: Can I find you guilty, Counselor, kilty.
Speaker 10: And betray your fellow man killed to betraying your content,
Speaker 10: guilty of labrogating your oath. Journey has judging.
Speaker 3: Me and selling me out.
Speaker 10: And when the power fested me by the Kingdom of God,
Speaker 10: I sent you to the night shouting of hell.
Speaker 1: No, you well learn.
Speaker 10: About loss Losu's freedom, loss of humanity.
Speaker 3: Now you and I will truly be the same.
Speaker 1: Chuck.
Speaker 2: He had shades of Jules from Pulp Fiction with the
Speaker 2: speech he gives Samuel Samuel Jackson, I think one of room.
Speaker 1: There's something in his voice, and I guess all the
Speaker 1: biblical talk takes me to that.
Speaker 2: But also he sounded funnily enough to me, he sounded
Speaker 2: more like Albert Cino than he did Robert de Niro,
Speaker 2: which is the two actors who have been you know,
Speaker 2: synonymous with each other for their entire careers.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was fascinating to see him put him
Speaker 1: on trial.
Speaker 2: This is, of course, after he's been burnt by the
Speaker 2: by the incredible plan again from young Danielle. He had
Speaker 2: puts a light of fluid when she's in the hole,
Speaker 2: she puts a light of fluid down in front of
Speaker 2: her jeans and then waits.
Speaker 1: She knows that he'll light a cigar at some point
Speaker 1: I thought she She.
Speaker 5: Also holds up two little like files or something, which
Speaker 5: I also thought. I thought she was going to stick
Speaker 5: that through the through the gap and the and the
Speaker 5: doors maybe and use it to fleck up that lock
Speaker 5: that was on the door.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't sure if that In the end, it
Speaker 2: was just her kind of searching, rummaging rummaging.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, But for me, while I was listening to his speech,
Speaker 5: he obviously remembered and knew the legal system very well.
Speaker 3: I just I was so jealous how much.
Speaker 5: Reading time he had. Yeah, you know, IM measuring that
Speaker 5: much time. No responsibilities, no cares, just reading.
Speaker 1: Just working his way up.
Speaker 2: I think, like Lucky, if he goes to the zoo
Speaker 2: or something like that, he talks about the books that
Speaker 2: he kind of started reading, their obviously kids books.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he he had.
Speaker 2: He had a lot of time, and he had fourteen years.
Speaker 2: And he's not shy to remind us that he had
Speaker 2: fourteen years. He knows his stuff, and he also reminds
Speaker 2: us that he is a monster. I want to go
Speaker 2: back and play when he gets burnt and he comes
Speaker 2: back and he's holding the flare Yeah, I think this
Speaker 2: is after he comes back to Brilliant and and the
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what that kind of liquid is, A
Speaker 2: bubbling I don't know either. I don't know flarees well
Speaker 2: enough to know what that is. But it's bubbling over
Speaker 2: onto his hand, obviously.
Speaker 1: Burning his hand.
Speaker 2: And he's got a great line here where he says
Speaker 2: that he's worked to make himself. I think it's like
Speaker 2: I've worked to make myself more than human. My mission
Speaker 2: is to become more than human.
Speaker 3: I think because what did what did? What did they
Speaker 3: try to do to him first? And it didn't hurt him?
Speaker 3: And then so he did that to prove how strong,
Speaker 3: how like how strong he is?
Speaker 1: Yeah, this might have been the hot water. Actually years
Speaker 1: he was the hot water.
Speaker 2: So bravetent by Danielle to throw the hot water at him,
Speaker 2: and this is his response by holding it, lighting a
Speaker 2: flair and holding it.
Speaker 1: Let's get something stay here.
Speaker 4: I spent fourteen years in an a finite city surrounded
Speaker 4: by people who were less than humor.
Speaker 1: My mission in that time has to become more than human.
Speaker 1: You see, Granddaddy used to handle snakes in church.
Speaker 8: Grand and drank strictnes as you could say, I had
Speaker 8: a leg up, which it was speaking.
Speaker 2: It's a great reminder at a really great time that
Speaker 2: he is going to be hard to kill. And you
Speaker 2: need to, like I said, you need to gonna You're
Speaker 2: gonna have to try a couple of times, uh to
Speaker 2: do it. There's was a moment which I am I
Speaker 2: have gone a little bit out of order, but I
Speaker 2: want to it's worth pointing out and maybe playing a
Speaker 2: little bit of it.
Speaker 1: Where Lee does have her moment. You you need her
Speaker 1: to have her moment.
Speaker 2: You want the mom to the turn into that lineless
Speaker 2: and protects her daughter, but she basically offers herself and
Speaker 2: tries to show fake it's a fake connection to Max.
Speaker 11: Next, and so I started, I've said about you all
Speaker 11: the time, tried to imagine what it must have been
Speaker 11: like for you.
Speaker 3: Are those years lucked.
Speaker 11: I've tried to imagine you and even your crimes and
Speaker 11: how you must have felt in those moments.
Speaker 3: That you did them. You see, I know about loss,
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 11: About losing time, even losing years, and I know it
Speaker 11: doesn't come here to jail, but.
Speaker 6: I can understand and I could share this with you
Speaker 6: because of that. Whatever it is that you've got, can
Speaker 6: I want you to do it just with me, because.
Speaker 7: We have connection.
Speaker 1: She has that connection, which again it's a plea. It's
Speaker 1: a very brave thing to do.
Speaker 2: Obviously the boat eventually, in a way it's funny because
Speaker 2: and you know, again there's no accidents. In the Scorse script,
Speaker 2: he talked about the force Mageur, which is an act
Speaker 2: of God, and he's seeing Max Katie is an act
Speaker 2: of God.
Speaker 1: But really it is this act of God, this squall,
Speaker 1: this storm that comes from actually kind of saves them
Speaker 1: in the end.
Speaker 3: The boat venient timing is convenient, absolutely, which we don't
Speaker 3: usually love convenience in movies.
Speaker 1: But and you know, we get the bait whether it
Speaker 1: works or not. But the boat really capitulates.
Speaker 5: Oh and the way their boat falls a butt as
Speaker 5: someone who's merely worked on lursen belts, you know, boats
Speaker 5: that are just built luxury boats, luxury boats. I'm even
Speaker 5: even the worst boat at the Gendy would not fall
Speaker 5: apart in the manner that that fall apart. And then
Speaker 5: the boat falls apart, and you're like, oh, how convenient.
Speaker 5: The one patch of wood that he happens to be
Speaker 5: lying on has caught on a rock and is hanging
Speaker 5: around so they can have this conversation. It's it's very
Speaker 5: those classic like that would never happen, but we love it.
Speaker 1: So we love it.
Speaker 2: And it's you know, you can you can come. If
Speaker 2: you're watching closer, you can see it's like a model boat.
Speaker 2: You know that there's some trickery going on. They end
Speaker 2: up on the on the on the shores, and and
Speaker 2: and the one piece of boat that seems to still
Speaker 2: be floating is that Max Katie is a handcuffed too.
Speaker 3: So they can have their beautiful last scene.
Speaker 1: Yeah, where he basically crushes him with a rock. He
Speaker 1: still survives it. Amazingly, you didn't because the rock didn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, yeah, it looks like he goes to go
Speaker 3: down and then realizes that as you went down.
Speaker 2: He shot to do believe he did hit him with
Speaker 2: a rock, But the way I would watch it, I agree,
Speaker 2: Like the way it's cut, it looks like he kind
Speaker 2: of yeah, it was like as.
Speaker 5: As he brought it up just before he comes down,
Speaker 5: he doesn't realize that he's shifting away.
Speaker 1: And I would argue that there's no way he would
Speaker 1: have survived that.
Speaker 2: And no, but I think it's it's almost like he's
Speaker 2: become so primaral, like it's almost become a caveman. And
Speaker 2: he has he's had the killing with a rock, because
Speaker 2: when he floats away, you look back at him and
Speaker 2: there's almost like a primate quality to him. He's like
Speaker 2: he hunds down, his hands are kind of like low,
Speaker 2: his shoulders that are sunken, and like he actually looks
Speaker 2: like an ape. But I think it's almost gone back
Speaker 2: right And and and then you have you have the
Speaker 2: narrow kind of eyes underwater. He could argue, I mean,
Speaker 2: he could argue that he could still be alive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, well, I mean and yeah, they.
Speaker 1: Could do a sequel.
Speaker 2: I'm not suggesting they do it, but they could do
Speaker 2: a sequel of this and explain how he got away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how would he get away Sora's leg.
Speaker 5: Well, you could maybe he got swept down the river,
Speaker 5: and as it swept down the river, he could bob
Speaker 5: his face down of the river.
Speaker 2: That boat was falling, falling apart, So all you need
Speaker 2: is that one more piece of rock and then he's
Speaker 2: out and.
Speaker 3: This boat falls apart just by breathing on it.
Speaker 5: And suddenly it's not strong enough that a dying man
Speaker 5: with all of his strength can't pull away from it.
Speaker 1: Yea, the strongest man in the world. It's been helen
Speaker 1: back just.
Speaker 5: To touch briefly again on that the moment where he's
Speaker 5: holding the fleir and it's bubbling over his hand. I
Speaker 5: loved that scene because I'm I'm a gal. I'm a
Speaker 5: sucker for like Jack Reacher, any basically any Bruce Willis character,
Speaker 5: any sort of character where it's like you've got this
Speaker 5: unbeatable man.
Speaker 3: I just really get off on that so seeing him
Speaker 3: play this character where he's like, this doesn't hurt me.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh yeah, baby, yeah, let me see how
Speaker 3: much you can take. Let me push you to your limit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty cool. I really enjoyed. I really
Speaker 2: enjoyed watching this again. I thought it was it was great.
Speaker 3: Oh I'm pleased. I'm pleased I didn't ruin your morning.
Speaker 2: It would have been awkward. Let me take you through
Speaker 2: some fun facts before we wrap up. The Nero's tattoos
Speaker 2: were done with using vegetable dye.
Speaker 3: I actually wondered how they were done.
Speaker 1: So thank you for that.
Speaker 2: I assume that's probably that what they do a lot
Speaker 2: of tattoos in movies. This has been this fact has
Speaker 2: been mentioned on this podcast before when we did Shindless List,
Speaker 2: which was directed by Steven Spielberg. Steven Spielberg was originally
Speaker 2: going to going to direct Cape Fear Ah, and Martin
Speaker 2: Scorsese was originally going to direct at well one stage
Speaker 2: was going to direct The Shindless List Ah, and they
Speaker 2: both decided. Scorsese said, I can't direct. I'm not the
Speaker 2: one that directors. You know, Stephen, you need to do
Speaker 2: it's a very personal project for you. You're Jewish. You
Speaker 2: know it's you know you love this story. You know
Speaker 2: this story, you need to tell it. And Spilbeer kind
Speaker 2: of thought this was maybe a bit too dark for him,
Speaker 2: so they switched projects.
Speaker 3: What else, his school says the direct.
Speaker 2: Tactually driver Raging Bull. So he has a very famous
Speaker 2: relationship with Robert de Niro, Right, good fellas.
Speaker 3: I don't think I've seen any of those.
Speaker 1: This to our movie night the Games in New York
Speaker 1: that the aviator Hugo.
Speaker 5: I watched half of Departed. Yeah, and it was great,
Speaker 5: but I just like I struggle to watch things all
Speaker 5: at a time.
Speaker 3: Today was special for you, very small, special for you.
Speaker 1: I have to Eastern casting.
Speaker 2: Just Bill Murray was almost going to play Max Kadi,
Speaker 2: which I cannot imagine.
Speaker 1: Harrison Ford was the original choice to play Max.
Speaker 2: More Sam, I can see him, Yeah, yeah, I can
Speaker 2: absolute see him, Sam Dinner. I paid five thousand dollars
Speaker 2: have his teeth kind down, and then twenty thousand dollars
Speaker 2: afterward was to fix them.
Speaker 3: Oh, to see that.
Speaker 5: This is why I say I could never be an actress.
Speaker 5: I do not care that much, you know, I just
Speaker 5: don't care that much. I'd be like just do it,
Speaker 5: you know, like what's his name in Dallas Buyers Club?
Speaker 3: How Ana Rix? It came to get I just I
Speaker 3: couldn't commit to that.
Speaker 2: Alyssa Milan I was turned down the role to play
Speaker 2: Daniella because she was in the tvccom god Who's the Boss?
Speaker 2: Also later on in Charmed.
Speaker 3: Oh Yeah, Hot Hot Burnette.
Speaker 2: Yeah Hot Brunette has been quite a vocal voice in
Speaker 2: the me Too movement. She turned down the role due
Speaker 2: to pressure from Tony Danzer, who played who played the
Speaker 2: Boss in.
Speaker 1: Who's the Boss? Or played Tony and what way? Oh?
Speaker 2: I think just I imagine. I think it was more like, well,
Speaker 2: you know, if you do that, you know we may
Speaker 2: not be able to shoot you. You may not be
Speaker 2: on our show next year. Or I don't know exactly.
Speaker 2: It might have been something like that. You know, Tony Danzer,
Speaker 2: he's just a funny The name makes me laugh. Sol Bass,
Speaker 2: Actually that you wanted asttributed to Elvin Hitchcock.
Speaker 1: He designed the opening titles. He also did the opening
Speaker 1: titles for Psycho.
Speaker 2: It's across over some similarities in the opening titles for
Speaker 2: both those films, But yeah, sol Bass worked on that.
Speaker 1: He just works in design. I think he's a graphic designer.
Speaker 1: You might be more than that.
Speaker 2: I haven't done all that research on sol bass, but
Speaker 2: anxious snot. Can I just say it? This podcast comes
Speaker 2: with homework. Oh right, and you've been up this morning
Speaker 2: doing interviews with Andy Cohen, Yes, his big show out
Speaker 2: of New York City.
Speaker 3: Hey, what what Happens Live? I was up at five
Speaker 3: to film that one.
Speaker 1: You're recording that in there in our lounger, unfortunately for
Speaker 1: you guys.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it's okay, it's early morning for all of us.
Speaker 2: Gets a half an hour on a big US talk
Speaker 2: show whatever, Happy to accommodate. And you then went into
Speaker 2: watching Cape Fear for this podcast, and I do appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Oh you're so welcome. We all face trials in our lives.
Speaker 5: I face many a trial.
Speaker 3: This is one of my biggest. But I you know,
Speaker 3: I had a Milo when I got over it.
Speaker 1: You had a couple of miles.
Speaker 3: Actually I had two Milos. I do owe you a
Speaker 3: couple of buck.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just the one. But thank you so much.
Speaker 1: We could talk for ever about lots of different things.
Speaker 2: But you have to come back another time because you're
Speaker 2: meeting my wife and going shopping.
Speaker 1: I believe I am.
Speaker 3: Thank god one of us live shopping. It's very excited.
Speaker 5: Thanks so thank you, thank you for having me and
Speaker 5: on your podcast and in your house.
Speaker 2: And I just mentioned I mentioned this in the intro
Speaker 2: and I mentioned it in the actual as well. Below
Speaker 2: Deck down under your the Chief stew it's on now.
Speaker 2: We could be watching in Australia.
Speaker 3: On how You same day as the USA.
Speaker 1: There you go, same day as the USA.
Speaker 2: And I got to say, I saw a couple of
Speaker 2: episodes and cracking, cracking, wow, and you've given me a
Speaker 2: little bit of detail of what's ahead, and it sounds
Speaker 2: like this season is going to blow up. I'm not
Speaker 2: going to say anything more, but it is. It is intriguing,
Speaker 2: It is fascinating on many different levels. Yeah, this one's
Speaker 2: going to blow up, So get on board.
Speaker 1: If you're not on board, blow deck at all. It is.
Speaker 1: I want to describe it as a guilty pleasure.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 2: It's a reality show. I don't watch a lot of reality,
Speaker 2: but it's a reality show that.
Speaker 1: You actually have people who know what they're doing.
Speaker 2: They've worked at their craft and their jobs, and they
Speaker 2: have to do that because they're people paying to be
Speaker 2: on that yacht.
Speaker 1: So it's not like other reality shows where things are
Speaker 1: set up.
Speaker 2: These these and I'm listening, I'm sure, and I'm not
Speaker 2: necessarily asking you because we've run out of time, but
Speaker 2: I'm sure there are little manipulations here and there.
Speaker 1: But it's seems like a very genuine kind of show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're just real people doing our real jobs.
Speaker 5: And I think that's why people love it so much,
Speaker 5: because it's actually people doing really hard work.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm so heavy that you love it. I
Speaker 3: think it's such a good shot.
Speaker 1: I would love to know the craziest requests the primaries
Speaker 1: just had.
Speaker 3: Next time got to be my promise for next time.
Speaker 3: Give me back on here.
Speaker 1: There's so many movies you haven't seen. We've wooked out
Speaker 1: a little, thanks Pete.
Speaker 3: See you.
Speaker 1: There we go.
Speaker 2: That was Cape Fear nine one scor another Scorse movie
Speaker 2: in the can with my great mate Axious Scott is great.
Speaker 1: She had basically a couple of days in town and
Speaker 1: she stayed with us.
Speaker 2: We watched a movie together, as I said, and yeah,
Speaker 2: great for her to squeeze it in because she is,
Speaker 2: as they say, hot right now, many requests coming through
Speaker 2: for her time. Really stoked that she could drop by
Speaker 2: as my second jungle mate after Woody to do the show.
Speaker 2: I'll be knocking on the door and calling the phones
Speaker 2: of my other jungle mates to get them on the
Speaker 2: show as well in the future.
Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to the podcast.
Speaker 2: You get in touch with us at yasne podcast at
Speaker 2: gmail dot com.
Speaker 1: Well love your emails.
Speaker 2: You even go through the links page and get on
Speaker 2: the speak pipe and if you send us a speak
Speaker 2: pipe we can play that on air. We very much
Speaker 2: appreciate it. Also, got to iTunes and give us a rating.
Speaker 2: It keeps the algorithm all flowing and the momentum going.
Speaker 2: I recommend five stars. Leave a review next week on
Speaker 2: the show. A very good friend of mine, a returning
Speaker 2: guest very early on possibly our first or second series
Speaker 2: he did with Naila and I, Limo. Limo returns sue
Speaker 2: you ain't seen nothing yet and this is a big one,
Speaker 2: no doubt about it. It's a big film, classic film
Speaker 2: starring the great Jack Nicholson, directed by Broone Planski. It's Chinatown,
Speaker 2: that's it. We are going down to Chinatown next week.
Speaker 2: And you ain't seen nothing yet with Limo until then
Speaker 2: take care. And so we leave old Pete save fan soul,
Speaker 2: and to old friends of the radio audience, we've been
Speaker 2: a pleasant good name.