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Speaker 1: This episode is brought to you by our partners at

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Speaker 1: Workplace Law. Welcome to The Female Athlete Project Season two.

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Speaker 1: My name is Chloe Dalton. I'm an Olympic gold medalist

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Speaker 1: in rugby seven's and I'm now playing for the GWS

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Speaker 1: Giants in the AFLW. I started tfapp to share the

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Speaker 1: stories of incredible female athletes and to address the gender

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Speaker 1: inequalities that exist.

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Speaker 2: Within the sports media space.

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Speaker 1: We want to change that story, and we're all about

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Speaker 1: making news and highlights of women's sport easily accessible across

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Speaker 1: our platforms. Our hope is that more female athletes will

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Speaker 1: become household names and in turn enable the next generation

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Speaker 1: of young kids to pick up a ball, racket, back board,

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Speaker 1: whatever they want to pick. When Nikola McDermott was eight

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Speaker 1: years old, she had a desire to one day be

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Speaker 1: an international high jumper. After trying her hand at a

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Speaker 1: large number of sports, she found herself at Little Athletics

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Speaker 2: Eight year old felt right at home.

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Speaker 1: She discovered early on that no woman in Australia had

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Speaker 1: ever jumped over two meters, and that mark quickly became

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Speaker 1: the dream. At twenty four years old, the dream is

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Speaker 1: now a working reality, which is hardly surprising when you

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Speaker 1: come to appreciate the determination, focus and self belief that

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Speaker 1: Nicola possesses. For the past ten years, she has equaled

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Speaker 1: or improved her high jump pbe each and every year.

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Speaker 1: On the eighteenth of April twenty twenty one, at the

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Speaker 1: National Championship, she jumped two meters to become the first

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Speaker 1: Australian woman to saw that high. She would go on

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Speaker 1: to break the Australian record again at the Tokyo Olympics,

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Speaker 1: where she cleared two point two meters and finished with

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Speaker 1: a silver medal. McDermott captured the attention of the world

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Speaker 1: in Tokyo. Her unique approach to jumping includes journaling and

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Speaker 1: rating herself after every attempt, and a deliberate pre jump

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Speaker 1: that just fills everyone watching with joy. That smile, the journal,

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Speaker 1: and her devout faith are three constants that McDermott has

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Speaker 1: with her at all times. The world record currently stands

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Speaker 1: at two point nine meters and no one has seen

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Speaker 1: a woman jump higher. I get the feeling that Nichola's

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Speaker 1: faith and belief might just have us all witnessing something

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Speaker 1: near future. I hope you enjoy this one. Nichola McDermott,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Female Athlete Project.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited to have a chat with you today.

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Speaker 1: I watching you in Tokyo was one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: moments of the whole game so far, and we'll get

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Speaker 1: into that a little bit later on, but I'm very.

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Speaker 2: Keen to have a chat with you. Tell us a

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Speaker 1: You've been competing post Tokyo and then you've actually just

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Speaker 1: arrived back on Australian soil and you're doing your hotel quarantine.

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Speaker 2: How's it going?

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Speaker 3: Yes, going well. I think it's been such a big season,

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Speaker 3: so I don't actually mind being by myself for two

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Speaker 1: And you mentioned just before we started you're studying for

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Speaker 1: your final university exam.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, protein biochemistry, and.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's fun.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, if it wasn't a hotel quarantine, there's no way

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Speaker 2: So what is the degree.

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Speaker 3: The degree is just a Bachelor of Science. But I

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Speaker 1: Okay, and it's taking you six years to finish.

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Speaker 3: It has Yes, in twenty fifteen is when I started.

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Speaker 1: I was also my physiod degree. I think also took

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Speaker 2: So it's a.

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Speaker 1: Very very nice feeling when you eventually tick it off

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Speaker 2: What are you planning to do with that degree?

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Speaker 2: I like that.

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Speaker 1: I like that we often go back to people's childhood.

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Speaker 1: I'd love for you to tell us a little bit

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Speaker 1: about what you were like as a little kid, Paul.

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Speaker 1: But really though, I stopped growing at fourteen years old,

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Speaker 3: So that was my kid, my childhood.

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Speaker 3: an athlete. Hey, like I still don't have any ball

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Speaker 3: Like it was great? So I'd already been disqualified as

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Speaker 1: And interesting with I guess that element with your dad's influence,

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Speaker 1: I think back, I did a little bit of little

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Speaker 1: Did you did you find that sport was something that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually I got bullied heaps as a sport

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Speaker 3: because you're good. But then also your identity can get

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I find that really interesting. And I often find

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Speaker 1: after Rio. So I went to Rio for rugby seven's

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Speaker 1: and I often it doesn't happen often, but I'll sometimes

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Speaker 1: Chloe's an Olympic gold medalist, like just drop it in conversation.

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Speaker 1: It's never something I would do myself, but there's an

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Speaker 1: It's an amazing amount of patience. It's really quite impressive.

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Speaker 3: that was cute. But like Common World Common World Games

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Speaker 3: to when I got the bronze medal and I did

438
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Speaker 3: a personal best so I did one me to ninety

439
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Speaker 3: one and that was only three years ago, and for me,

440
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 3: I was like, this is the best I got to.

441
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 3: It was in the Gold Coast and I got on

442
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Speaker 3: the podium and I performed at a major championship and

443
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,719
Speaker 3: my family were there, my friends were watching on TV.

444
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 3: And it was the first time I went you're not

445
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Speaker 3: just You're not just there to make up numbers. You're

446
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,919
Speaker 3: here to be on the podium. And it gets more hunger,

447
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 3: and yeah, I really disolidified my belief that now like

448
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 3: you're going all the way.

449
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Speaker 2: M Yeah, that's powerful, isn't it.

450
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 3: Oh?

451
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 2: Actually I wanted to look at Rio.

452
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Speaker 1: Was that something that was in your sights or was

453
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Speaker 1: that something you talked about with your coach that was

454
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Speaker 1: too early for you? And was Tokyo more the goal

455
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Speaker 1: with Colm Games as well?

456
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

457
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Speaker 3: I mean again, like I was training as if I

458
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 3: was an Olympian in twenty sixteen, but I just wasn't

459
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 3: there yet. My body was quite there. We always said

460
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Speaker 3: Tokyo twenty twenty like that was the focus, and I

461
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 3: was a little bit disappointed about not making the Olympics,

462
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 3: but that lasted for a day and then went oh

463
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Speaker 3: you need to train harder.

464
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Speaker 1: But then okay, yeah that's fair, that's fair. Leading up

465
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Speaker 1: into Tokyo. What was your response when COVID hit and

466
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Speaker 1: the Olympics were postponed.

467
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm based in New South Wales, and as

468
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 3: soon as the Olympic trials got postponed till the following

469
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 3: year and the Olympics dot canceled, we just went straight

470
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 3: into a hard training block just in case quarantine hit

471
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Speaker 3: us and I wouldn't be allowed to leave the house

472
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 3: at all for the gym work. I mean, I trained

473
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 3: in my coach's garage, so I mean it's not like

474
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 3: it's going to be shut down, but we might not

475
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 3: be able to see each other. And so we started

476
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 3: the biggest training block of my life. And I think

477
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 3: I'm really thankful for that, because it was just we

478
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 3: just went straight into it and I didn't even have

479
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Speaker 3: time to maybe mourn the Olympics or what it meant,

480
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 3: too busy just getting smashed in the gym and doing

481
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Speaker 3: my studies. And I did that for three months, and

482
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Speaker 3: then afterwards I was allowed to go to Europe and

483
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Speaker 3: do my competitions there. So I just took it as okay,

484
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 3: there's a reason for this, let's just keep let's train

485
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,360
Speaker 3: and train really hard because we don't know if we're

486
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 3: going to have it taken away off us.

487
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Speaker 1: How did it feel going over to Europe in the

488
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Speaker 1: middle of the pandemic.

489
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was great, Like it's good. It was. It

490
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 3: was like I got told from a lot of people

491
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Speaker 3: that are making the worst decision. And then I spoke

492
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Speaker 3: to my sports like Mike Martin, he's great, and he

493
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 3: just said it's about committing, so accepting and committing to it.

494
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 3: So if you're staying at home, you accept that the

495
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 3: risk is too high and then you commit and you

496
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 3: stay at home. Or if you think that the benefits

497
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 3: of overseas is good, so there's a risk, you accept it,

498
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 3: but to commit anyway, And that conversation, Yeah, that was

499
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 3: a really good conversation to have, because like I understand this,

500
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 3: but if I want to get a medal next year,

501
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 3: me not doing competition internationally is really going to impact that.

502
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 3: I need to keep I need to stay with the

503
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 3: best girls in the world just to make sure I'm

504
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 3: at that level. So I just committed to it. And

505
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 3: of course there's no vaccines, and every time so many

506
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 3: coughs the on the flight or in public could be coronavirus.

507
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 3: But I've committed, so keep going, you know. Yeah, well

508
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 3: flights got canceled. I stayed there for an extra month.

509
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 3: But I also yeah, it just it was an active

510
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 3: faith and a lot of people around me were super supportive,

511
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 3: and actually I think it was really good just as

512
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 3: my development as a person to be in that situation

513
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 3: and realized I made the right decision and there was

514
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 3: no regrets. Of course there were consequences, but the benefits

515
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 3: outweighed them. M.

516
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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, it's so interesting, isn't it. And then coming

517
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Speaker 1: back on home soil for the Olympic trials. I want

518
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: to I've got an audio clip that I want.

519
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 2: To play you.

520
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: But before that, I thought I would read this. I

521
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: think you wrote this. When I was eight years old,

522
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: I had a dream to one day be an international

523
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: high jumper, consistently jumping over two meters. I did not

524
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 1: know the journey I would take to get there, but

525
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: unknowingly I would one day be positioned to have everything

526
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Speaker 1: I needed to reach that level.

527
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Speaker 4: Area recordscreen record, two meters jump one Nicole McDermott.

528
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 2: That is unbelievable. You have seen history here in NiCl McDermott,

529
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Speaker 2: the first.

530
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 3: Australian woman to jump over two meters?

531
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 2: What moment Can you.

532
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 1: Articulate what it felt like for the dream of this

533
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: eight year old kid to actually become the first Australian

534
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: women's woman to ever jump over two meters?

535
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Speaker 3: Yeah? It was. It was like it was like I

536
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 3: already knew that day. I was like, yeah, you're jumping. Wow,

537
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 3: you know. I remember second attempt and I'm visualized absolutely

538
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 3: everything and fold them blanket like I did everything that

539
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 3: I pitched I would, and then when I did, it's

540
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 3: like the wind just stopped, the sun was like super hot,

541
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 3: and like the crowd was just like everyone was silent.

542
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 3: And then you just saw all these photographers like start

543
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 3: running over like She's gonna do it, like it was

544
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 3: just this crazy thing, and I just like I already knew.

545
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 3: And then when you get a clap going, it was

546
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 3: like it was just this moment that it like time

547
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 3: stood still for me. It really didn't. It felt like

548
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 3: I had. It felt like I had fifteen minutes for

549
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 3: that attempt, Like I remember every single part of it.

550
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,719
Speaker 3: I remember the jump and it was exactly how I

551
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 3: pitched it. It was just yeah, it was It was

552
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 3: just this beautiful moment, like a fulfillment of a promise

553
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 3: that I'd had since I was eight years old. It

554
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 3: just it all worked out sixteen years later and that

555
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 3: it was the National Championships, and the televisions were there,

556
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 3: like nobody no televisions turn up to an athletics meetings.

557
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 3: They were all there because it was Olympic Trials and

558
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 3: I got to share that with everyone and I think

559
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 3: the commentators and the crowd like you can hear it

560
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 3: a little bit in the in the audio, but I've

561
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 3: never heard a crowds dream like that, like when in

562
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 3: Australia overseas we're talking differently because you've got like seventy

563
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 3: thousand people. Heaven, there wouldn't have been more than like

564
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 3: two thousand people that day there, but it sounded like

565
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 3: a full stage. It was the best.

566
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Speaker 2: That's really cool.

567
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: I'd love to know about this difference between when you're competing,

568
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: because is there a big difference in your PB from

569
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: training verse when you're competing.

570
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, can you talk us through that?

571
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're gonna love this.

572
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 2: Oh I'm excited. I'm such a Yeah.

573
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 3: My training personal versus one meter eighty six and my

574
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 3: starting height is above one eighty six dot com whoa.

575
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 3: So when I'm training, I we don't put the bar

576
00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 3: over what I can comfortably clear. Okay, I'm telling you.

577
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 3: Usually it's just one ad train because imagine a whole

578
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 3: week of work and then I jump on a Saturday.

579
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 3: So it's the last session of the week and I'm

580
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 3: doing Like I'm telling you, the weights that I'm doing

581
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 3: is heavy for me and I'm really tired by the

582
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 3: time I get to training, and sometimes just a matter

583
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 3: of me completing the training session is the victory, not over,

584
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 3: not what hired I'm doing, make my technique perfect. And

585
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 3: then when I get to competition, we strip back the weights,

586
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 3: we strip back the bulk of it, and I rock

587
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 3: up and then I'm running off pure adrenaline. So when

588
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 3: you see me scream and clap and stuff, my body

589
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 3: is like, oh, We're in competition mode and netflix twitch

590
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 3: and I'm jumping like two meters, So it's it's crazy,

591
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 3: sometimes twenty centimeters higher than what I was doing the

592
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 3: week before, and wow, all the time, I like, without

593
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 3: the adrenaline and without the pre for my competitions, I

594
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 3: don't jump higher than my starting higher.

595
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: So it's so would we say it's like a fifty

596
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: to fifty between the tapering balance of like easing down

597
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: the weights and the training and the lead up so

598
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: that you're obviously fresh and that adrenaline and the competitive

599
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: nature of it.

600
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, even just the preparation, because before competition, I

601
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 3: find it that I need to think about it, Like

602
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 3: I don't think about hyhip all the time right before

603
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 3: a competition and You'll be walking past the fence two

604
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 3: meters like, oh yeah, I was like this far away

605
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 3: from it, and I.

606
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: Was I always wonder if you do that with like

607
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: random objects during the day.

608
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 3: Totally, totally.

609
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 2: I love that.

610
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 3: You know, you see a hedge, You're like, what's about

611
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 3: two o five? You know, so my clothesline at homes

612
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 3: two meters so you'll see me like I love putting

613
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 3: out the washing because I'm like, oh yeah, like and

614
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 3: I'm just getting used to things that are that high

615
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 3: and I'm going to need to have a higher clothes line, Chloe,

616
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to have a higher.

617
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 2: I love this. This is so good because we did

618
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 2: after you Jump.

619
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: We posted about it on the Female Athlete Project Instagram

620
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: and I think we did it. It's a king sized

621
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: mattress standing up. It's over Michael Jordan and I think

622
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: a Toyota high locks Like that is high and it's

623
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: your your washing line too.

624
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: I love that.

625
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 3: It's high and yeah, but I mean every high jump

626
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 3: is different. But I think I'm my strength is like

627
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 3: my mental tactics and things, not versing other people, Like

628
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 3: there could be no one jumping there, like at the

629
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 3: Australian championships, there was no one jumping with me. What's

630
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 3: the word? We're not still able to do that that

631
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 3: big jump because mentally, I just I'm amping myself up

632
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 3: the whole week before a competition, so by the time

633
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 3: like I'm ready, I'm really jump But in training, I

634
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 3: can't keep that intensity all year round, so I just

635
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 3: just rock up and Okay, let's try and work these

636
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 3: things out at training today. But yeah, at the same time,

637
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 3: other high jumpers, like I knew Blank of Lassidge, like

638
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 3: my high jumping hero, she's doing two or five in

639
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 3: training sessions. And some people can do like literally their

640
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 3: personals in a training session and okay them because I'm like,

641
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 3: I don't even know how it's possible. But if I'm

642
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 3: jumping that, well, then put me into a competition. There's

643
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 3: no point wasting these big jumps without getting like some benefits.

644
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 2: To Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense, Now for

645
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Speaker 1: Workplace law dot com dot au. I'd love to chat

658
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Speaker 1: through I guess your routine when you're about to jump it.

659
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Speaker 1: It became really iconic during Tokyo and people were so

660
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Speaker 1: engaged and absolutely loved I guess. People like the opportunity

661
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Speaker 1: to watch you like you kind of feel like we're

662
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Speaker 1: part of like we were like willing you along, right,

663
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Speaker 1: Like can you can you talk us through your process

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Speaker 1: as you're about to start your jump? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so, I mean we haven't even gone into the

666
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Speaker 3: notebook yet, but.

667
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Speaker 2: We'll get there. Don't worry, we'll get there.

668
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Speaker 3: But you know beforehand, like high jumping. I used to

669
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Speaker 3: be scared of highs. About twenty nineteen is when I

670
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 3: became my favorite highs, which is people. But you have

671
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 3: to imagine like I'm one eighty six. So by the

672
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 3: time I was over like jumping over my head, I

673
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 3: was already international. And you can get to a stage

674
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 3: where you look at a high and it's only two

675
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 3: centimeters higher than the jump before, but then it hits

676
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 3: you of just how high it is. Oh, so I

677
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 3: really like I overcame that fear and when I jump

678
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 3: now I does have this joy because there's there's nothing

679
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 3: quite like overcoming your fears and doing it in such

680
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 3: a way of like every single bit that I like,

681
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 3: my posture and my breathing, my eating, it's like it's

682
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 3: all it's just laid out on the line. And what's

683
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 3: scary about high jump is that you have to you

684
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Speaker 3: have to get the highest velocity right before you jump.

685
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 3: So imagine seeing a brick wall, like all you want

686
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 3: to do is slow down then you jump. But for me,

687
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 3: I can now like be running one one hundred percent

688
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 3: of my possibility, Like I don't just run eighty percent

689
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 3: towards the bar, Like I'm running as hard as I

690
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 3: can on a curve one foot out and your achilles

691
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 3: stender just ruphsed it straight away one foot in and

692
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 3: you just hit the bar. So it's like this very

693
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 3: very fine knife edge of high jump. But I just figured.

694
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Speaker 3: I was like, it is actually a joy to do this,

695
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 3: Like I love this. And when I realize that, and

696
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 3: there's a lot of risks that people don't realize when

697
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 3: they watch high jump because it's like, oh, yeah, she

698
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 3: doesn't actually look like she's running that bust. Like for me,

699
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 3: that's my highest velocity, So watch yourself. And now I'm kidding.

700
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 3: So anyway, I invite the crowd to clap, it's not

701
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 3: about that. If nobody clapped for me, that's not the point,

702
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 3: Like I want to have people engage. But I get

703
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 3: a rhythm going, so I'm clapping above my head and

704
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 3: when I do and I feel that clap, it's like

705
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 3: it just you know, like I'm like, oh okay, I'm

706
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 3: jumping now. And then the come on, like the like

707
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,479
Speaker 3: the really the shout that's the last thing I hear.

708
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Speaker 3: And if you're I say this, I'm the most critical

709
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 3: person of myself, but I'm the most encouraging person to myself.

710
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 3: And that's really important for me because if no one

711
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 3: else is going to cheer you, you need to you.

712
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Speaker 3: And that's that's the loudest voice that your voice listens

713
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 3: to like that brain listens to that was my sports

714
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Speaker 3: like as well. He's like the loudest voice that you

715
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Speaker 3: hear is going to change it. And it just stops

716
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 3: the doubts coming in. Because if the last thing you

717
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Speaker 3: think about before you jump is oh, I actually don't

718
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Speaker 3: know if I'm going to get over this bar, or

719
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Speaker 3: oh wow, that's really high, it's like oh is that

720
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Speaker 3: the wind, or there's a runner running towards me. It

721
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 3: gains all of these things. I'm like, come on, it's

722
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Speaker 3: like straight away. Just just clears that out and then

723
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 3: like okay, slap my legs. It's like a right. It's

724
00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 3: literally just like like just getting me ready. And then

725
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 3: I start jumping, and even that moment beforehand, it's like

726
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 3: I just let it go, like you know, I'm really there.

727
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 3: I'm loving it and I've got a really big faith

728
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 3: in God. I'm like, all right, you're holding me together

729
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 3: because if I get injured, I still know that I'm

730
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Speaker 3: not gonna like this isn't the end of the journey

731
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Speaker 3: for me. And then I just run and I've got

732
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Speaker 3: this whole process in my head while I'm running, and

733
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Speaker 3: I make sure my fastest moment is right before the

734
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Speaker 3: takeoff and by then, like I know four steps out

735
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Speaker 3: if I'm going to make a high jumpar or not?

736
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Speaker 2: Right okay?

737
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Speaker 3: And then I clear it and then I don't know. Personally,

738
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Speaker 3: I try and not celebrate after the butt, but like,

739
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Speaker 3: how can you not celebrate?

740
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Speaker 2: I like, you get it, says.

741
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Speaker 3: I don't have a filter, which is it's good and bad.

742
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Speaker 2: Okay.

743
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Speaker 1: There's so many parts that I wanted to pick a

744
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Speaker 1: part in this, but I'm curious around the critical voice

745
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Speaker 1: and the encouraging voice. I think I know for me

746
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Speaker 1: as an athlete that that level of criticism. I think

747
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Speaker 1: any athlete at the top level has to have a

748
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Speaker 1: really high level of criticism about your craft because a

749
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Speaker 1: lot of time you have to be able to analyze

750
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Speaker 1: it and break it down and if you want to

751
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Speaker 1: be better, you have to have the self awareness to

752
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Speaker 1: break those things down.

753
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Speaker 2: Right.

754
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Speaker 1: But with this encouraging side of that, is that a

755
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Speaker 1: skill that you've practiced and you've you've worked on over time,

756
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Speaker 1: that you've improved on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's about having grace for yourself and

758
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 3: you know how hard you train, and that's the critical

759
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 3: part of me is for the Olympics, I knew there

760
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Speaker 3: was absolutely no stone unturned, like no one else is

761
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Speaker 3: there when you're dieting during a strength block in January,

762
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Speaker 3: like nobody can see like the training sessions in the rain,

763
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Speaker 3: and my coach can, but he's actually only he gets

764
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 3: to go home to to rest. But I'm still stretching

765
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Speaker 3: at home and measuring things and writing things down late

766
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 3: at night of like what's the best thing. So I

767
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 3: am critical as to make sure that I him not

768
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Speaker 3: only maintained but improved. But I'm also encouraging because if

769
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Speaker 3: I was if I was a friend to myself and

770
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Speaker 3: I looked at myself and everything that I was doing,

771
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Speaker 3: I would be just sharring compliments, Wow that you do

772
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Speaker 3: all of that, like well done. And I have a

773
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Speaker 3: friend who's a gold medalist for the Olympics, and I

774
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Speaker 3: just I imagined him and if I was looking after

775
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Speaker 3: him like a full time care I would feed him

776
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Speaker 3: the best food. I would like, make sure that he

777
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 3: has everything available for recovery, and sleep well and take

778
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 3: up my bed, like you know, make sure that. And

779
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 3: that critical voice came in my head and it was like,

780
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 3: well if you do that for him, who's a gold medalist,

781
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 3: why don't you do that for yourself? You really believe

782
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Speaker 3: that you could be the best in the world. And

783
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Speaker 3: so now I'm just encouraging myself because I genuinely have

784
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 3: seen the power of having that positive reinforcement and not

785
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Speaker 3: relying on anyone else for that positive reinforce.

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Speaker 2: M yeah, it makes sense.

787
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Speaker 1: So every episode on the show, I have a question

788
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Speaker 1: from my grandma and from a six year old, and

789
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Speaker 1: I thought, who better to ask about this than my grandma?

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Speaker 4: By Nikola journally is part of my daily life which

791
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Speaker 4: brings me much satisfaction. I notice you journal during your

792
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Speaker 4: Olympic competition. How has this form of journaling helped you

793
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Speaker 4: in your day to day life?

794
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Speaker 3: A beauty? So the journal was another like mental sort

795
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Speaker 3: of mental tactic. That is the critical part and the

796
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 3: critical part of my event is raiding myself out of

797
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 3: ten for every aspect of my jump. And that's what

798
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Speaker 3: I do in the notebook. And literally the amount of

799
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Speaker 3: people that are like what is in the playbook, like

800
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Speaker 3: you know, we need to steal it. They're just going

801
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 3: to see numbers like there's okay. It's not actually what

802
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 3: I write down that's important. It's the process of it.

803
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 3: Because I again, there's that side of me celebrating and

804
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 3: screening on the high jump bags and like loving loving

805
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 3: that that was a good jump. That's the encouraging side.

806
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 3: And then I can switch straight away to the critical

807
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 3: side of what did I just do and what do

808
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 3: I need to do to improve it? And I love

809
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 3: journaling too, so I'm staying with Grandma like I have

810
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 3: multiple journals about okay, and I love it because, yeah,

811
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Speaker 3: I love writing things down as a processing mechanism. You

812
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 3: can process things throughout the day and you can look

813
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 3: at what she did and what you need to improve on.

814
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 3: But also you've got the stories written as it happened,

815
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 3: and if you have to write a story or a

816
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 3: book one day about that moment, you have the primary

817
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 3: evidence right there. And since I've been doing it as

818
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 3: a girl, but I just thought, if your life is

819
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 3: going to be made a movie of you want to

820
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 3: have like great documentation, and in writing down your story,

821
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 3: I think is so important for getting like a bird's

822
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 3: eye picture of the current situation. And I really it's

823
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 3: encouraging to look at years later and see what you

824
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 3: were doing. Then if you need to get back to

825
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 3: that stage or see how far you've come from that moment.

826
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Speaker 1: Does it take a level of discipline to do it

827
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Speaker 1: so consistently, both like in your daily life and in

828
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Speaker 1: competition or is it something that you've formed a habit

829
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Speaker 1: of doing.

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Speaker 3: It took a lot of work when I first did it,

831
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Speaker 3: but now it's the habit. Like at the moment, I'm

832
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 3: not doing any journaling because it's my break and I'm

833
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 3: studying the quarantine and all that thing. But when I

834
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 3: come back to it, I really I enjoy it and

835
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 3: I having that that journal is Yeah, it's it's a

836
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 3: it's a real treasure of mine now because I have

837
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Speaker 3: I have it all written down and I know what

838
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 3: it takes to jump two meters and I know how

839
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 3: to replicate it now. So yeah, I really it's a

840
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 3: great habit to have.

841
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Speaker 1: So this critical element when you come back and you

842
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: sit down and you give yourself those scores, is it

843
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: breaking down the different elements of your jump and giving

844
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: yourself a score out of ten?

845
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Speaker 2: Mm?

846
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Speaker 3: So how is my speed, how is the start of

847
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 3: the run up? How is the actual jump in the air?

848
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Speaker 3: It forces me in that moment when I have so

849
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 3: much adrenaline and so much excitement, and it just it

850
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 3: just is like this this grounding thing of just forget

851
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 3: all of that. What did you do that made that

852
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,439
Speaker 3: jump excellent? Or why did you miss the bar? And

853
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 3: my coach he was there and he respects that even more.

854
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 3: He said, no, you need to do your thing and

855
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 3: then come to me for advice. Uh. And when I

856
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 3: coach myself overseas and there's no one, there's no one

857
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 3: watching me, it's okay because that's my first point of contact.

858
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 3: And the end of my journal got missed, like went

859
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 3: missing one day and things and I didn't even have

860
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 3: a pen with me. Mentally, I'll be doing that in

861
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 3: between each jump. Uh, and that helps me. But just

862
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 3: pen on paper, there's there's there's a power in that,

863
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 3: Like it's just it's there, it's written, you can see it,

864
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 3: and you can be reminded of it. So yeah, I

865
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Speaker 3: do that.

866
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Speaker 2: Granning would love that. Just pen on paper.

867
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Speaker 1: So if you have, say, if you do a jump

868
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Speaker 1: that you're not happy with and you go down and

869
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 1: you analyze it and you assess it. When you then

870
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: get ready for that next jump, what is it that

871
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: you're saying to yourself? What's yourself talk like for that

872
00:46:59,520 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: next jump?

873
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 3: It's exactly the same as if I cleared it. And

874
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 3: I think that's really really important because again, like in

875
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 3: the Olympics, there was a one ninety six erst attempt

876
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 3: that I missed, and then I made the first attempt

877
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 3: for one ninety eight and two meters h there was

878
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 3: a flick of the switch where I went, this isn't easy,

879
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 3: but it was never meant to be easy. There's the

880
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 3: critical parts, but you've done this many times before and

881
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 3: you know what you need to do, so and then

882
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 3: just straight back into it like, okay, do it again.

883
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 3: I think that's the downfall of many high jumpers is

884
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 3: a stood as they miss the bar, they start getting

885
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 3: really hard on themselves, and there's a lot of negative

886
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 3: self talk, and let's be honest, like there's a lot

887
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 3: of negative things outside of your own head. So if

888
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 3: you're your own worst enemy, that's not good, Like you're

889
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 3: not going to flourish that. But in your head, if

890
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 3: you just treat it like, okay, this is you get

891
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 3: to jump two times at this height, Like isn't this amazing?

892
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 3: Like you're going to kill this one now, Like you

893
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 3: know what you need to do and let's do it.

894
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 3: And I think I saw my ninety six to the

895
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 3: one that I did clear. That was a really good jump.

896
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 3: It's like, maybe you need two attempts at all the heights. No, no,

897
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 3: you don't, No, you don't. But yeah, I don't know.

898
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 3: Mental self talk. You need to be encouraging and the

899
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 3: critical part is still encouraging.

900
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: M Yeah, let's let's look at this this day of

901
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: competition in Tokyo when it came to the finals. Waking

902
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: up that morning, how did you feel?

903
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 3: So my competition was at night. H I felt good.

904
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 3: I was excited. But at the same time I have

905
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 3: with the Diamond League and things. I jump at night

906
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 3: most most of the time, so I know that it's

907
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 3: just a beach hill, no high jump. Like, let's just

908
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 3: let's just focus on the food in front of you.

909
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 3: Let's focus on the person in front of you. So

910
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 3: I literally stayed in my room, like with my blind

911
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 3: shut until like mid day that day. You know, I

912
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 3: was like just trying to sleep because I knew that

913
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 3: if you're on the podium, you're not going to be

914
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 3: home before midnight. No, so you just need to rest up.

915
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 3: You don't want baggy eyes on the podium. Like, let's

916
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 3: think about it just prior priority. So I just I

917
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 3: chilled a lot, and I'm an excellent time waster.

918
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 2: So it's a great skill.

919
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 3: It's a great like you know, people don't realize how

920
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 3: good of a skill it is until like they're in

921
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 3: these situations and then yeah, I just did things that

922
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 3: I love to do that are low energy and looked

923
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 3: at my journal a few times and went, okay, like

924
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 3: this was a track stuff, this is what I did

925
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 3: well in. This was my ratings for Okay, got that

926
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 3: in mind. Then I was thinking, okay, so how am

927
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 3: I going to do my hair for this one? And

928
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 3: then I went to the hair dressed U the hairdresser

929
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 3: didn't know how to do braids, hence what happened in

930
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 3: the final They're like, what is going on with the hair?

931
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, not my fault, what was going on with

932
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 2: your hair?

933
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 3: The whole braid spell out like yeah, and it was.

934
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 3: It was a little bit of a chaotic thing.

935
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't even remember that your jumping was too good.

936
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,919
Speaker 2: I don't even remember your hair. See there you go.

937
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly like I mean, like if family does like

938
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 3: what was going on with your hair? I'm like I

939
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 3: was here to jump not look pretty like remember that

940
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 3: you know that commitment is like all right, well it

941
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 3: is what it is. But yeah, so like went to

942
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 3: the hairdresser and like the actual Olympic village ate some lunch,

943
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 3: planned my outfit and then it was already five o'clock

944
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 3: and ready to go, like at the time, just gets gets.

945
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 2: Away, that's good. And then rocking up to the track.

946
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: What what jump did you think that you had in

947
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: you for that night?

948
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 3: I knew it was pebe jump in my head, like

949
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 3: my goal that she was to her four, which is

950
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 3: a big goal to have, especially when one was my

951
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 3: Pepe last year. You need to have high goals because

952
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 3: you don't want to be caught out for not having

953
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 3: like your goals high enough. So I was expecting around

954
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,439
Speaker 3: to a four to win the gold. So I thought,

955
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 3: all right, you're in gold medal position, jump as if

956
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,240
Speaker 3: you're going to jump to a force. So we started

957
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 3: at one eighty nine that day, which is high. Like

958
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 3: that's that's higher than I've ever started before with high

959
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 3: jump in history, in my history. So I talked to Matt,

960
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 3: my coach. He said, yeah, like you're into her four shape,

961
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 3: so you need to just savor your energy. Let's start

962
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 3: at one eighty nine. So we got there and so

963
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 3: we had a game plan. I had already pictured my

964
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 3: jumping because I was off social media and I've been

965
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 3: stuck in like a room for two weeks in the

966
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 3: village and i haven't really been out and about. So

967
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 3: I'd thought about this to every single detail I've thought about,

968
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 3: and by the time I got out there, it's like, oh,

969
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 3: I can finally do it, and I just enjoy it.

970
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 3: And I was with my friends and yeah, like it

971
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 3: was it was chill and this there's no stadium. It's

972
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 3: just like normal business. Just everyone else is wearing like

973
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 3: pretty colors, and like we know we're all all our

974
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 3: sponsor uniforms. Now we're in our different nationalities, but same girls.

975
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 3: Like it's just it's like we're playing dress ups at

976
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 3: like a princess party or something, you know, we've got

977
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,879
Speaker 3: to makeup on and I'm like, we looked so much

978
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 3: better than what we do off the track. I'm telling you.

979
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 3: I was just like, you know, you just have fun

980
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,720
Speaker 3: with it. And I already knew I'd done everything ready

981
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 3: and now I could just enjoy it like that it

982
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 3: was going to be hard work, but the hard work

983
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 3: had been done for months.

984
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 1: And so stepping up to do your first attempt at

985
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: one nine, is there is there part of you that

986
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: is a little bit fearful, like, well, have I started

987
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: too high here? Or is it so much compfidence in

988
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: your preparation and the way you're feeling and your visualization

989
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: and that whole process.

990
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 3: No, you always feel that hundred, especially when everyone else

991
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 3: is clear one eighty five first STEMP and then it's

992
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 3: going up to an eighty nine. There's a little bit

993
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 3: of you that's like, oh no, but you have that

994
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 3: and you just accept it because I have a lot

995
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 3: of grace for myself. So I'm like, oh, Nick, Like

996
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 3: you're starting higher than you've ever had, but you're going

997
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 3: to jump higher than you've ever had, So like, okay,

998
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 3: what do you have to do? And that's really important.

999
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 3: As soon as there's a doubt or a fear that

1000
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 3: comes comes to your head, you combat it with what

1001
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 3: you need to do. So I already knew it was like, Okay,

1002
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 3: you need to focus on this and do this and

1003
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 3: you'll be fine. So that's that's what I did, and

1004
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 3: then the eighty nine was comfortable and we were we

1005
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 3: were in. We were ready to start.

1006
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: So then as you got up to two meters, can

1007
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: you talk us through the jump at two o two?

1008
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 3: Yeah? So the two meters jump was oh, it was great,

1009
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 3: And then there was a metal ceremony like mackay. Everyone

1010
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 3: was telling me, they're like, that was a long time

1011
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 3: to wait in between jumps. So I missed my first

1012
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 3: temp at two O two because I thought I had

1013
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 3: to change my jump at two meters in order to

1014
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 3: jump to w O two. I used to jump a

1015
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 3: bit like I need to run a bit faster. I

1016
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 3: didn't need to change anything. That was a good clearance

1017
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 3: two meters. But that's again, that's just competition pressure. And

1018
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 3: I'd never jumped it before, so I didn't I didn't

1019
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 3: know what it needed to clear it anyway. So then

1020
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 3: I sat down and I talked to my coach in said, right,

1021
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 3: go for it. You just don't change anything, just go

1022
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 3: for it. And then we had that five minutes break.

1023
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 3: And I loved that five minutes break in between, like

1024
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 3: with the ceremony, because it gave me time to reflect

1025
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 3: and just flow down. Go, Okay, I've still got this.

1026
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 3: You know what you need to do at this point

1027
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 3: Maria got it on her first attempt. I'm pretty sure

1028
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 3: the too too. So now I was, I was in

1029
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 3: the gold medal position and I've just been put to Silva.

1030
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 3: He's a three time world champion, so she's a very

1031
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 3: good competitor. Like I was, I wasn't thinking, you're not

1032
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 3: gonna You're not gonna win gold without two four, so

1033
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 3: just you know what you need to do now, and

1034
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 3: I just I stripped it back and just went, Okay,

1035
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 3: good knee drive, could take off, good speed, We're going

1036
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 3: to get this. And by the time after the five

1037
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 3: minutes of just in my head, like I wasn't forcing

1038
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 3: myself to think, oh, you're going to get this, like

1039
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 3: push it, like I was completely convinced. And by the

1040
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 3: time I'm there, I'm like, oh my goodness, you're going

1041
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 3: to get this. And then I went the line and

1042
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm a part of me is thinking just

1043
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 3: we're a filter new like be chilled, but I can't

1044
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 3: because I'm like, you're going to get this, and so

1045
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 3: like I'm already there, I'm like there's songs in my head.

1046
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 3: I'm like, this girl's going to jump a national record

1047
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,760
Speaker 3: at the Olympics. I'm so excited.

1048
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 2: We've gone into the third person too. I like that.

1049
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my goodness, like I'm going to

1050
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 3: get this. And then so I was like, thank you Lord,

1051
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 3: I'm going to get this. Like I was completely convinced.

1052
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,439
Speaker 3: After you have that five minutes, just like in your head.

1053
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 3: I even I even hit the bar at two or

1054
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 3: two like in the era. I remember like my leg

1055
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 3: actually scraped it, but it was so minimal. I have

1056
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 3: this real skill as well in the air that usually

1057
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 3: with the height, if you hit it off, your body

1058
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 3: automatically just stops trying and you hit the bar completely.

1059
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 3: You'll see that with other girls in the competition. But

1060
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 3: I was so convinced that I was going to get it.

1061
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 3: It was like I hit it, It's like nah, no,

1062
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 3: you don't, and then like my like leg lifts up

1063
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 3: and then I'm on the thing. And then that's why

1064
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 3: I was jumping up and down on the bags and

1065
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 3: what the rest of it is. I did it like ah,

1066
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 3: Proba's the best, and so I think everyone was excited,

1067
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 3: but I'm like, no one was as excited as me.

1068
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 2: But that's very cool.

1069
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: I'm interested in this idea of the filter, and I

1070
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: think you might have posted something on your Instagram around

1071
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: almost like wanting to wear a mask. There's part of

1072
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: you that sometimes wonders whether it's worth like disguising those emotions.

1073
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: And it's a big part of sport as well, like

1074
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: with your opposition and your competitors.

1075
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 3: A lot of.

1076
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: People break down that thing where you don't want to

1077
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: show your competitors what you're feeling and things like that,

1078
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: but you've gone more towards this little way of embracing

1079
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: that side of it.

1080
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, And actually I realized now the amount of energy

1081
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 3: that it takes to consteal your emotions is is wasted energy.

1082
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 3: But you can producing that for other things. And I

1083
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 3: think people will say, yeah, but she's like always smiling

1084
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 3: built I'm like, no, not really. You just need to

1085
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 3: get me in a competition on like a bad day,

1086
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 3: and then I'm very critical in things, but most of

1087
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 3: the time I'm loving what I'm doing. So I thought, yeah,

1088
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 3: like people need to see that as well, because it's

1089
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 3: refreshing for them, and you want to see emotions in sport,

1090
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 3: even if it if it leaves you very vulnerable and

1091
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 3: very open. I think it's important for young people as

1092
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 3: well to see that because as a kid you get

1093
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 3: told like if you're having too much fun and smiling

1094
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 3: that you're not trying hard enough.

1095
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you do, don't you.

1096
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially in high jump and stuff, they're like, stop smiling,

1097
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 3: this is a jump. And then so I'm just loving

1098
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 3: that they can be like h Nicola McDermott Tokyo Olympics,

1099
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 3: and I'm like, yeah, I think I think that's a

1100
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 3: good one for sport, just to for all of the

1101
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 3: people saying that you need to you need to be

1102
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 3: serious and you need to be like poker face in

1103
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 3: order to win. That's not the case. You can you

1104
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 3: can have the best at both worlds.

1105
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really like that.

1106
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: Stepping up to try and attempt two four after you've

1107
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: cleared tour too, did your mindset change? Did you were

1108
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: there doubts that were creeping in? Did you feel like

1109
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: you needed to change your approach to jump it?

1110
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 3: No, Tour four I was. I think for me like

1111
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 3: I was probably that was what I'm most proud of

1112
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 3: in the Olympics was the Tour four attempts, the mindset

1113
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 3: and everything, like I was going for it, but I'd

1114
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 3: never think this was this was regions that I never

1115
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 3: even attempted the closedline isn't that high? You know? So

1116
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 3: like I couldn't even I couldn't even visualize it right,

1117
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 3: and that third attempt and I was like I was

1118
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 3: over and I hit that less than I hit the

1119
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 3: tour too, Like it wobbled and then fell off and

1120
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 3: I was actually on the bags when I saw it

1121
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 3: fell off. And then I was shocked and like them

1122
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 3: photos are just like the shock of Wow, that was closed.

1123
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 3: Then it's like so four, that was what and then

1124
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 3: you want to jump it again that third attempt. I

1125
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 3: wish that was the second attempt because I would have

1126
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 3: gotten the third attempt. And that's that's just no. A

1127
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 3: one ninety eight personal best from twenty twenty to two four.

1128
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 3: That's like that's unheard of. But so I was, Yeah,

1129
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 3: there was so much emotion that was surrounding that amazing. Yeah,

1130
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 3: that was that was a ten out of ten jump

1131
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 3: to me, that was the only giving myself a ten

1132
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:42,919
Speaker 3: out of ten? Was that was that one?

1133
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 2: Okay, the only time ever ever?

1134
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, it's a big call. There you go, that's

1135
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: very cool. I might get the question from six year

1136
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: old freda.

1137
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 2: High neckles do as they get scared jump pink and

1138
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 2: landing all the way on your back.

1139
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I don't get scared of the landing part

1140
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 3: because we've been training for years now. That I land

1141
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 3: on my shoulder and then I turned. But the higher

1142
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 3: you go, the more chances that going wrong. And my

1143
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 3: body really does feel feel store the next day. But

1144
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 3: I'm no longer I'm no longer fearful of it, which

1145
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 3: is great.

1146
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 2: So you took on my silver metal.

1147
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: What did it feel like standing on the podium and

1148
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 1: having that metal around your neck?

1149
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 3: It was such a well wind wonderful whirlwind. But we

1150
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 3: were on the last day of competition, so we got

1151
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 3: withfted away to the metal ceremony straight away rather than

1152
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 3: having the day to process it. And yeah, it was

1153
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 3: what happened after that Tour four jump, completely breakdown of

1154
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 3: tears of just like the joy and how close the

1155
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 3: Tour four was and oh my goodness, silver metal, and yeah,

1156
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 3: it was just such a whirlwind. I can't even explain

1157
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 3: the emotions going on in your head, Like nothing prepares

1158
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 3: you for that. And so I like a bit like

1159
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 3: you'd imagine like on the when you're on the podium

1160
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 3: as well, and you you're there and it's a it's

1161
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 3: a heavy it's a heavy metal that's on your neck,

1162
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 3: so heavy, so heavy, nobody prepares you for Like my

1163
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 3: my training, I'm like, prepare the neck muscles next Olympics,

1164
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 3: Like I was ready for that. It was just amazing.

1165
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 3: And just the girls that you're that you're on the

1166
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 3: podium with, You're just you're in awe of them. Then

1167
01:02:55,840 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 3: at the same time you're there and yeah, just just

1168
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 3: change my perspective of like when you think of Olympic

1169
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 3: medalists like they're up there, like they're just like people

1170
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 3: that you never meet, and then you've become one. That

1171
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 3: was just super special, Like the whole within that a

1172
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 3: few hours was probably the biggest hours of my life.

1173
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so I love that idea. It's you feel

1174
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: like you'll never become one. And I've chatted to a

1175
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 1: couple of other athletes, like I used to picture Olympic

1176
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 1: medalists like as these like superhumans that were almost unattainable.

1177
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: So it's such a weird feeling when you become one

1178
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: of them.

1179
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy.

1180
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 1: I want to talk about You've mentioned about your faith

1181
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 1: and I'd love to talk about this idea of your

1182
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 1: identity outside of sport and kind of what you mentioned

1183
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 1: before around the idea that your sport and your success

1184
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: doesn't define who you are as a person.

1185
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1186
01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, so pretty much until the start of twenty seventeen,

1187
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 3: I was sticking to these dreams and sticking to like

1188
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 3: I was twenty twenty years old, just turned twenty years old, right,

1189
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 3: and I wasn't international level like John twe eighty eight.

1190
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 3: I was, like you said, two meters by the time

1191
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 3: I was training. Oh, but I had. I had followed

1192
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 3: the plan of my life for so long with this

1193
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 3: identity as a sports person, and I was I got

1194
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 3: to the point where I was living in Germany, I

1195
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 3: had a partner who was a high jumper. I was

1196
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 3: training with an Olympic coach in Germany. I had everything

1197
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 3: set up which I thought was going to make me

1198
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 3: so happy, like this is going to be my this

1199
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 3: is going to be like the pinnacle part. And I

1200
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 3: was there and I was miserable because I found that

1201
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 3: I this wasn't satisfying, this wasn't worth like my entire life.

1202
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 3: And I've realized in that moment that I'd left my

1203
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 3: faith behind and I had a faith. I had faith

1204
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 3: in God when I was a teenager, but it was

1205
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 3: like the side style of the main cause for high jump.

1206
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 3: And then when high jump doesn't go well, I just

1207
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 3: blame God for like my non performings, like don't you

1208
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 3: want me to be like the best high jumper in

1209
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 3: the world. And it was just an unhealthy relationship. So

1210
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 3: then twenty seventeen, I came to the conclusion that I

1211
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 3: would be willing to give up sport completely, like never

1212
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 3: do sport again, if it meant that I could have

1213
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 3: that satisfaction in life. And I just found that satisfaction

1214
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 3: in my faith, my identity in God, that I was

1215
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 3: love regardless of my performance, and I was loved regardless

1216
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 3: of what I ever did in my life, and there

1217
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 3: was a lot of freedom in that. So I was ready, right,

1218
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 3: no more sports. Send me to like the mission fields

1219
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 3: in India, like or Africa, you know, like send me

1220
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 3: far away. And then I really felt the call of

1221
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 3: God to go back into sports, but this time to

1222
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 3: do it without that identity in what I do, like

1223
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 3: just be there to be an encouragement and find my

1224
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 3: entire worth and who He says I am, not what

1225
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 3: I do. And after that moment like twenty seventeen, so

1226
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 3: my personal verse was one eighty eight and I was like,

1227
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 3: it's not going to get better than this. And now

1228
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 3: for four years later, they can jump in two or two,

1229
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 3: so fourteen centimeters higher and I'm able to have joy

1230
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 3: in competition and not be worried about it. And I

1231
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 3: think that's my heart as well to see other athletes

1232
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 3: like this identity aspect, when you realize you've got that

1233
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 3: freedom outside of your performance, you're allowed to perform and

1234
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 3: you're not worried about what happens if this doesn't happen,

1235
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 3: it's like you're still just as valuable outside of it.

1236
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 3: And yeah, and that love just motivates me to do

1237
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 3: everything and even train harder because I'm not scared of

1238
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 3: injury and I'm not scared of potentially not getting valued

1239
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 3: as an athlete. We know that in Australia it can

1240
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 3: be very hard to be an athlete as well because

1241
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 3: people just they don't realize all the stuff that goes

1242
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 3: into it. But to be a support for them in

1243
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 3: that time and just to reassure them of that there's

1244
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 3: a lot bigger things than just sport. That yeah, that

1245
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 3: really brings me a lot of joy and purpose for

1246
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 3: why I'm doing what I'm doing.

1247
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, amazing. I want to you chatted there about your progression.

1248
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 1: I guess I'll I'm almost finished, I promise.

1249
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 2: I feel like I could talk to you about hours,

1250
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 2: a few hours about all of these things, but I

1251
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 2: wanted to.

1252
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 1: I've got some stats from your last decade of jumping,

1253
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 1: So twenty eleven you did one seventy six, twenty twelve,

1254
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 1: one seventy eight, twenty thirteen, one eighty three, twenty fourteen,

1255
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: one eighty six, twenty fifteen, one eighty eight, twenty sixteen,

1256
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 1: one eighty eight, twenty seventeen, one nineteen, twenty eighteen, one

1257
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 1: ninety one, twenty nineteen, twenty twenty one.

1258
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 2: Two o two. The world record is that two O nine?

1259
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 2: Is that correct?

1260
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 1: Mm hm? Is that something you're aiming towards?

1261
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, if you asked me that a few years ago,

1262
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,559
Speaker 3: I would have said, nah, I don't really know, But

1263
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 3: now I'm thinking. I attempted tour five and that was

1264
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 3: actually pretty close. And I've got so much to work

1265
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 3: on still, so I personally believe, I hope I'm the

1266
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 3: person to do it, But I think we're going to

1267
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 3: see multiple women jump over to ten in the next

1268
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 3: few years. Big call. But I just I just see

1269
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 3: with how how we're developing, have athletes and things, and

1270
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 3: hopefully I can. Like I broke the two meter barrier,

1271
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 3: now I'm thinking maybe I can do the two ten barrier.

1272
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 3: Let's see.

1273
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 2: That's cool.

1274
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 3: I've always said I don't mind if I'm not the

1275
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,959
Speaker 3: first person because I don't want other people to determine

1276
01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:00,640
Speaker 3: my goals in sport. But yeah, I'd love to be

1277
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:01,679
Speaker 3: a two to ten jumper.

1278
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,599
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I'm gonna keep watching. I can't wait

1279
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 1: to see how you go. I always finish with three

1280
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 1: would you rather questions? So the first one I've gone

1281
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 1: LA in twenty twenty eight. So at LA, would you

1282
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 1: rather break the world record and win silver?

1283
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:22,720
Speaker 2: Or jump an average jump and win gold?

1284
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 3: Oh? World recorded silver?

1285
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 1: Oh?

1286
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 2: Okay, all right?

1287
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 1: Is that because it's is that because it's been held

1288
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 1: for so long?

1289
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 3: I'll For me, I prefer a really good competition over

1290
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 3: like the actual accolades as such. So for example, Tokyo,

1291
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 3: like this was this was excellent, Like this was good viewing,

1292
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 3: this was high jumper? Yeah?

1293
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 1: Nice, Okay, I like that number two would you rather

1294
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 1: have to high jump blindfolded or high jump with your

1295
01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 1: hands tied behind your back?

1296
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 3: Hand tied behind my back?

1297
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:04,680
Speaker 2: Okay, because it's probably a little bit dangerous to run

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Speaker 2: up and do that without being able to see.

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Speaker 3: Just as far as landing, I'm like, can I get

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Speaker 3: the arms out if yeah?

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Speaker 2: Okay, oh yeah, that could work. Number three?

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Speaker 1: Would you rather give up social media or eat the

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Speaker 1: same dinner for the rest of your life.

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Speaker 3: I'll give up social media. It doesn't mean that much

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Speaker 3: to me.

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Speaker 2: All right, I like it. Where can people find you

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Speaker 2: on Instagram?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? They can find me at Nikola l McDermott. People

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Speaker 3: forget the l but okay, I'll be there and probably

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Speaker 3: on the Female Athlete podcast just click click on the

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Speaker 3: tagged person perfect.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on and having a chat.

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Speaker 1: I was so excited about having the chance to sit

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Speaker 1: down and chat to you around your processes, but even

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Speaker 1: just hearing your story and the way that you've gone

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Speaker 1: about things and the way that you've learned and adapted

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Speaker 1: has been amazing. I think you have a really incredible

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Speaker 1: perspective and I can't wait to keep watching you jump.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much for having me on amazing questions too.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank you very much, Thanks so much for listening.

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Speaker 1: If you got something out of this episode, I would

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