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Speaker 1: Bill, What did you make of this reshuffled yesterday?

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Speaker 3: And look, everyone's talking about the shuffling of the deck

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Speaker 1: So do you reckon that that was a deliberate move?

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Speaker 1: And someone else had contacted us as well, Bill and

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Speaker 3: Well, there's certainly deals I think Katie done back when

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Speaker 2: We've want plenty of.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I was a bit confused by the Chief

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Speaker 3: So then you've got the Aloe Springs Hospital and then

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Speaker 3: deal with alcohol related issues before they start to escalate.

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Speaker 3: Laid the Zone Alcohol Review into the Act said similar things,

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Speaker 3: but they still didn't support our legislation. It really really

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Speaker 1: Do we need to keep those security operating though, or

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Speaker 3: Well, I think government, first and foremost needs to resource

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Speaker 3: First and foremost. I think there's always going to be

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Speaker 3: got to look here in Al Springs. There's security guards

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Speaker 3: So I think there's always going to be a place,

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Speaker 3: be resourced properly. What's happened down here just last night, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think it was a fourteen breaking.

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Speaker 1: Well I was just going to ask you about that's

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Speaker 1: sixteen sixteen reported in the last twenty four hours.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the poor old coppers down here that stretched,

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Speaker 3: they can't get to everything or there's delays here because

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Speaker 3: I said, I really feel sorry for the guys and

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Speaker 3: point and we're seeing things escalating as the weather's warming up.

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Speaker 3: It's sad to say, but it happens every year. We

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Speaker 3: things escalating here, and we're going to have a community

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Speaker 1: Well, let's see what Brent Potter can do. That's going

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Speaker 1: to be the you know, that's he's going to have

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Speaker 1: to show his wares. I suppose, isn't he.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I look forward to seeing Brent down here

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Speaker 3: take for him to get out of Daar and get

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Speaker 4: But I suppose.

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Speaker 3: Brett had the opportunity, though, to address some of these

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Speaker 3: Nicole Madison. Now Nicole overseen a demise and demoralized police

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Speaker 3: referenced in those reviews done internally. He had the oportunity

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Speaker 3: make those changes, and that didn't happen. I think that's

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Speaker 3: another thing that's concerning the coppers is that we've now

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Speaker 1: Bell, we are going to have to leave it there.

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Speaker 1: But mate, I have just been informed that the racing

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Speaker 1: gaming and licensing falls under Nicole Madison. Unfortunately a bit

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Speaker 1: of an oversight on that list, but racing gaming licensing

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Speaker 1: is falling with Nicole Madison, and wreck fishing has always

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Speaker 1: existed and always sat with curbs, is what I'm being told.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, we will have to leave it there. Bill,

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Speaker 1: it is always good to catch up with you. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate your time today.

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Speaker 2: Thanks.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for the check, Katie Chank you